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Amelserru_halqu
July 11th, 2005, 03:00 AM
As I learn I wonder much, and though I seek and seek the answers elude me. I fell that perhaps if my thoughts are spoken here perhaps things will become clearer.

A bit of a warning, what I say is not to be taken as truth, this is merely me thinking aloud and using the forum as a sounding board.

To cast a spell (ethics, wisdom, control, and responsibility aside) what does one truly need? The first component I feel is an intention to have one's will be done, this I suppose is fairly straight forward, this intention (what you will to be done perhaps?), second is a belief that what you are doing will work, doubts would weaken and perhaps nullify the spell, third is energy be it from one's self, the earth, moon, stars, emotions, dancing around in circles or what have you.
Now the intention part is where it gets muddier, if one were driven to wrath, or as I like to put it seriously pissed off, one would generate negative energy, for some people with a natural connection of a magical nature there would be more energy available for the spell. Using their anger their intention would probably be to cause harm and if enough energy was available could they cause death and suffering? Throw in a belief that the spell they are doing is real and the will to make it so, wouldn't the spell work?

Such a spell could work itself out in any way imaginable, especially if the intention behind it was vague, and I imagine anyone who is working this way (or at least as I picture it) would not have much if any knowledge of how a spell is to work. Notice how all three can be easily manufactured, intention is easy, you will it to be so and so it is, energy, as I said can be generated in countless number of ways, belief I suppose is more tricky, of course someone casting a spell, curse, or what have you would have to believe that it would work to even attempt it.

An example of this might be something that I used to do, and still do on occasion, though the wisdom in it I cannot say. First I have to want something to be done, let's say I'm pissed off at a friend for tormenting me (yes I know not a good friend) and I want them to suffer what they did to me. Then I will start chanting (maybe not the right word there) a bunch of nonsensical words throwing in the names of whatever god I chose based on what I wanted, though originally I used Ra because, well the name just wound up in there (i.e. Kal mulshka ki Ra mo xal kisha Ra inalva and so forth) and just keep on making up new words to throw in there. This sounds magical, at least to me, and enhances my belief that the spell would work, then perhaps I would throw in hand motions or dancing or whatever (more magical feeling). All the while I focus on what I want to happen, in this case bringing suffering to my friend. While chanting and dancing and gesturing the energy inside would build and when I end the spell (usually with the name of Ra) all the energy would be released and I of course would feel drained (I think I may have used personal energy too).

When I actually did this spell it felt right and I didn't stop to think of the possibilities, though now I realize what I have done. Anyway the results of the spell were devastating, my friend's mother got cancer, inoperable, and incurable, and after suffering through an agonizing 8 month battle with cancer and she died. Then he fell apart, hated everyone and everything, he abandoned everything his mother stood for suffered. He suffers still, agony, hatred, and cold hard logic; these are all he has now. My will was done; the spell worked, and haunts me still. He hates me now, though he doesn't consciously know why, his subconscious does and he hates me with a passion that is equal to the love he once held for his mother, it is there under the surface, a simmering hatred which will never be undone.

I didn't realize that this is why she died until I began studying this path, I know that I and I alone am responsible and have accepted this and the karma that is coming to me. I don't know why I wrote all this down here, revealed my pain thus, it weakens me. I can only pray that I will make it up to the universe someday, the only way I know how, by doing the opposite, healing, and assisting, raising the children I will someday have to be good and just.

Why? Why? WHY? WHHHHYYYY?!?!?!

A lot more makes sense now, why the little voice in my head told me I could save her, why there was never any hope, why he hates me, why I suffered an unbreakable addiction for five years, so much more makes sense now. So much, but it's all too little too late. I guess I only write this to heal my broken soul, even as I write this, tears stream down my face, anyone who is contemplating any such act, please reconsider, it's never worth it. Never.

Amelserru_halqu
a child lost and not yet found

Chesna
July 11th, 2005, 08:59 AM
WOW and :hugz: to you!!!

It sounds like you know what you did and that you see it as wrong.. good first step. Maybe you could try channeling some good, positive energy towards your friend???

Anyways.. all I guess that can be said is that you have learned a very valueable lesson at an extremely high cost.. for that I am sorry.

Blessings to you!!

Chesna

Amelserru_halqu
July 12th, 2005, 12:24 AM
I would like to learn how to generate positive energy, this is something I am currently unable to do, as best I can tell, most of my energy comes directly from my emotions (particularly anger, hatred, fear, and sorrow), and the rest comes from my personal energy.

Sigh... maybe I should become a healer... instead of a destroyer and murderer, or a protector instead a slayer. It's ironic that I may someday represent my favorite chant, All that is good becomes evil, and all that is evil becomes good.

At the very least I need to find a less tainted energy source... though there are so many I have no real clue where to start...

If anyone cares to help me or share your wisdom, I will accept it gratefully and full heartedly.

Thank you so very much,
Amelserru_halqu

fangedeshana
July 12th, 2005, 03:56 AM
With that much negativity around you, for whatever reason you aura and chakras would most likely be blocked and/or off- balance. I sugest doing a few sel-healings, bathing in white light via meditation, and mentally noting all the negative things you want to rid yourself of eventually. Cleanse your aura and charkras, balance them - it's good to make this a regular practice, no matter how much negativity you have in your life.

I would deffinately do some healing on yourself, menatlly and spiritually, work on ridding what negativity you can, and focus on doing things more positive for yourself, and those around you if you can.

Perhaps make a talisman, or charge a stone with the will of wanting to change, and better yourself, and keep it as a reminder when you start to slack off an become negative again, while still doing a lot of personal healing and cleansing.

You could also do some healing work for your friend who lost his mother, if only for your own piece of mind - a kind of cosmic apology.

Changing your mindset, habits and life from negative to positive is hard work - I myself are in the process of doing it, and I'm battling away everyday to stick to my new - positive - routine. Meditating on my will to change, focusing on what I want to become and trying not to wallow in self pity and depress that tries its best to conquer me is working, and slowly but surely, my life and my mind are getting more positive. If you are willing to give, and give hard, then you will reap the rewards, and most deservingly too.

Good luck to you.

Wiccamagikal
July 12th, 2005, 11:57 PM
Wow, that got my mind a ticking!
thanks for the interesting views and thoughts :)


Find Peace, Don't ever let go of it :)

Amelserru_halqu
July 13th, 2005, 12:36 AM
Thank you so very much, but I think you perhaps overestimate me a bit. My knowledge has quite a few holes in it, for instance no real visualization, my chakras are pretty well closed as far as I can tell, and to be honest I've got no real clue of how one normally would go about the business of magic. I can't help but feel that it's going to much more difficult to work magic in a controlled way, and figure out another source of energy. The mental housecleaning I should be able to do though... Of course it can't hurt to actually learn the stuff I ought to know anyway, though I could modify my current methods... but that's probably a bad idea. It's almost like I am doing it all backwards. So yet again I would like advice, book titles would be nice, or websites...

Thanks
Amelserru_halqu

fangedeshana
July 13th, 2005, 08:40 PM
If your looking on learning the basics, you've come to the right place. First I sugest going to the MW Stickies:

http://www.mysticwicks.com/showthread.php?t=52948 (http://www.mysticwicks.com/showthread.php?t=52948)
http://www.mysticwicks.com/showthread.php?t=21667 (http://www.mysticwicks.com/showthread.php?t=21667)

Other places, though based on Wicca, that I like are:

http://www.collegewicca.com (http://www.collegewicca.com)
http://wicca.timerift.net/ (http://wicca.timerift.net/)

I've heard many good things about Christopher Penczak's books (and plan to get them all myself, hehe):

The Inner Temple of Witchcraft
The Outer Temple of Witchcraft
The Witches Sheild

Also, if you'd like someone to chat about it all to, you can email me at fangedeshana@gmail.com, or I can give you my personal messager contacts if you prefer that. (Though, you'll never miss me on email, I always anser promptly as I can, which is generally fast).

ShamanFeather
July 13th, 2005, 09:57 PM
I think the best way I've heard the best method for a spell is Desire, Intent, Alignment, Ritual, Expectation. I think that even when you are using nonesense words, you are putting your feelings into them, which is the fuel. The nonsense words work well because you aren't taking attention away from your desire or intent, those are freely flowing up through you. And although the heat of the moment is when your feelings are rushing and you have thet highest success rate, you are also getting that kneejerk reaction. I'd say stop, don't go into ritual right away and think, or walk away then come back then ask yourself, why am I really feeling X? Do you really want them to suffer or do you want them to understand that it hurt you and for you not to hurt over what happened. Anger and sadness/sorrow are opposites one cancels out the other. Usually if one is angry there is some form of hurt underneath. Anyway... If you have a different perspective and are cooler headed then you may find non-ritual ways to help or, if you feel ritual and magic is good here and its for you then find out how you can have an intent that is more pro for everyone. Perhaps that when you feel offended from the person you face it in a constructive manner right away and get it out, that takes courage to not yell and scream, but to talk rationally through something. Not saying you don't, but it sounds like your first reaction is of intense anger. Once you have a new intent open up those doors to that deep emotion but channel it into the new response. Energy is energy, even anger can be used constructively, but if you take that time out to figure out what you think is the best way to deal with whatever situation has aroused it you should have less regrets later. This cooldown period may take a while, but it would probably be worth it. I'd then use the same ritual method as before as it seems to work with you, and I believe real magic comes from the core, where the primal energies and conscious lies and that which does not need logic or words to operate.

Amelserru_halqu
July 14th, 2005, 02:57 AM
Thanks ShamanFeather, that explains quite a bit and perhaps rationality will help me find control, which is a lot of what I need... though I must confess I'm very jealous of the control some here have but that will come in time...

sigh... looks like I have a lot of self hatred and recrimination to work through too... but I'll get there

oh and thanks for the great links fangedeshana, they'll help me out quite a bit

Amelserru_halqu

ruadhan
July 16th, 2005, 06:42 AM
First off, I want to thank you for sharing your experience with us. I can only imagine how hard that was to put out there for everyone to see, and I commend you for that!

Secondly, I'm going to ask you to take what I have to say in the spirit that it is meant, and that is in perfect love and perfect trust. I don't tend to beat around the bush very often, and am pretty much straight to the point. So, take what I have to say and use whatever you find helpful, and ignore the rest :)

My first advice to you is stop practicing magick at all for a time! It seems to me, and you've admitted as much, that you have some things you need to work on first. With all that negativity floating around you, you are going to have a very hard time, if not flat out impossible, trying to work positive/healing magick. You must first work on you, and then your desire to help others will come! Believe me, I know this from personal experience.

What spiritual path do you follow, if any? If you have a positive path that you follow, embrace it's spiritual applications more strongly than you ever have before! Make that the focus for now. Let the love of the God and Goddess flow to you, and help to heal you from this pain and negativity. Try and find someone that follows the same path you do that can help you refocus your energies. A mentor is always a good thing to have. Mine have saved me from countless mistakes!

And lastly, if you choose to continue working magick, NEVER do it quickly and without thinking things through first. The first step of the Witches Pyramid (which is what I base my magickal workings on) is To Know. Know what it is you really want to do, not what you would like to do in the heat of the moment. Know the consequences of any action you could take, and then find the action that will cause the least harm! There are always ways to deal with problems, just as effectively, without the negativity and harm being involved!

I wish you the best, and hope you find peace in yourself. If you'd like to talk with me directly, you can always email me at ruadhan@charter.net!

Bright Blessings,