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Swanspirit
November 11th, 2001, 11:52 PM
Bin Laden: Yes, I did it
By David Bamber
(Filed: 11/11/2001)

OSAMA BIN LADEN has for the first time admitted that his
al-Qa'eda group carried out the attacks on the World
Trade Centre and the Pentagon, the Telegraph can
reveal.


Osama bin Laden with journalist Hamid Mir during the interview
for a Pakistani newspaper


In a previously undisclosed video which has been
circulating for 14 days among his supporters, he
confesses that "history should be a witness that we are
terrorists. Yes, we kill their innocents".

In the footage, shot in the Afghan mountains at the end of
October, a smiling bin Laden goes on to say that the
World Trade Centre's twin towers were a "legitimate
target" and the pilots who hijacked the planes were
"blessed by Allah".

The killing of at least 4,537 people was justified, he
claims, because they were "not civilians" but were
working for the American system.

Bin Laden also makes a direct personal threat against
Tony Blair, the Prime Minister, for the first time, and
warns nations such as Australia, Germany and Japan to
stay out of the conflict.

The video will form the centrepiece of Britain and
America's new evidence against bin Laden, to be released
this Wednesday.

The footage, to which the Telegraph obtained access in
the Middle East yesterday, was not made for public
release via the al-Jazeera television network used by bin
Laden for propaganda purposes in the past. It is believed
to be intended as a rallying call to al-Qa'eda members.

In the video, bin Laden says: "The Twin Towers were
legitimate targets, they were supporting US economic
power. These events were great by all measurement.
What was destroyed were not only the towers, but the
towers of morale in that country."

The hijackers were "blessed by Allah to destroy America's
economic and military landmarks". He freely admits to
being behind the attacks: "If avenging the killing of our
people is terrorism then history should be a witness that
we are terrorists. Yes, we kill their innocents and this is
legal religiously and logically."

In a contradictory section, however, bin Laden justifies
killing the occupants of the Twin Towers because they
were not civilians - Islam forbids the killing of innocent
civilians even in a holy war.

He says: "The towers were supposed to be filled with
supporters of the economical powers of the United States
who are abusing the world. Those who talk about civilians
should change their stand and reconsider their position.
We are treating them like they treated us."

Bin Laden goes on to justify his entire terror campaign.
"There are two types of terror, good and bad. What we
are practising is good terror. We will not stop killing them
and whoever supports them."

He directly threatens the lives of President Bush and Mr
Blair. "Bush and Blair don't understand anything but the
power of force. Every time they kill us, we kill them, so
the balance of terror can be achieved." He also calls on all
Muslims to join him. "It is the duty of every Muslim to
fight. Killing Jews is top priority."

Bin Laden warns other nations to keep out of the conflict,
implying that they could face terror attacks if they do not.

In the video, he also claims responsibility for an
unspecified terrorist outrage in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia,
which he claims was sparked by secret messages in one
of his videos.

He admits for the first time using public pronouncements
on video to whip up terrorism - a danger about which the
British and American governments have warned
broadcasters.

It is significant that throughout the video he uses the
personal pronouns "I" and "we" to claim responsibility for
the attacks. In the past, he has spoken of the attackers
only in the third person.

Bin Laden has publicly issued four previous videos since
September 11, always denying carrying out the atrocities.

He now claims to have access to nuclear and chemical
weapons. Bin Laden made the claims on Friday night
during an interview with the English language Pakistani
newspaper Dawn.

He said: "If America used chemical or nuclear weapons
against us, then we may retort with chemical and nuclear
weapons. We have the weapons as deterrent."

Defence analysts dismissed these claims. They said that
although bin Laden could have access to nuclear material
through links with Pakistan or former Soviet republics, he
was unlikely to have the technology to cause an
explosion.

A Foreign Office spokesman said: "We know that he was
looking for that capability. We believe he does not have
it."

Emergency powers to imprison suspected international
terrorists indefinitely using special closed courts will be
announced this week. The measure, which will require
exemption from human rights legislation, will be used to
round up about 20 suspects hiding in Britain beyond the
reach of existing laws.


I think the man is a megalomaniac seeking glory for himself....... and any identification with a cause is purely convenient........
I am wondering what some responses to this are; and what if anything do you think he might "admit to next"
Swannie

Laiste
November 12th, 2001, 02:04 AM
Bin Laden's admission of guillt is, in my opinion, exactly what America and it's supporters need right now! I, personally, have no doubt of his guilt and have not a problem with us moving in and fighting him and his kind! As far as his nuclear capabilities...scary thought...we don't really know for sure if his group has this technology...I guess we shall soon find out!

The attacks on America have been a wake up call for me an I have begun to research the history of this "war and hatred" against Americans and between the Jews and Muslims. Not to say that I did not have a clue before the current attacks on my country, but, I felt a great need to further educate myself. I will never be on the side of the terrorist and will never find reason to justify what they have done...but at least I can say I have educated myslef as to the partial resons behind this atrocity! Currently I am reading The Battle For God by Karen Armstrong, published in 2000. IT contains historical facts dating back to 1492! The book basically deals with fundamentalism and the continuing war between Jews and Muslims and Christians! Long, but interesting read!

Maggie
November 12th, 2001, 02:16 AM
Originally posted by Laiste
Currently I am reading The Battle For God by Karen Armstrong, published in 2000. IT contains historical facts dating back to 1492! The book basically deals with fundamentalism and the continuing war between Jews and Muslims and Christians! Long, but interesting read!

Try reading her __History of God__ also, an earlier book. She lays out the historys of Islam, Judaism, and Christianity and their interactions throughout history in a reasonably clear manner.

Regards,

Maggie

Laiste
November 12th, 2001, 02:23 AM
Thanks for the info Maggie...that's on my list for my next trip to the library! If I ever get through this hefty book!:D :rolleyes:

talamh
November 12th, 2001, 11:41 AM
If the report turns out to be true, then i don't think anyone would be at all surprised.

But i still say the American authorities haven't shown enough of what their "evidence" is to have *legally* targeted bin Laden in the first place... and to me one of the essential elements of democracy and freedom is presumption of innocence until proven guilty... and due process of that law.. And when they changed to law to diminish the protections of due process... we all lost a lot of our basic freedom.

If it does indeed turn out that the authorities were correct to target bin Laden, it doesn't take away from the fact that they violated their own principles and laws to do so without the authority of legality. bb talamh

Myst
November 12th, 2001, 12:04 PM
As has been said several times, just because they didn't show you the evidence on tv doesn't mean it didn't exist. You can presume it didn't and question their practices if you like. Being as they said they had proof it was him and he months later admitted he did it, I would think perhaps they did have proof.

amberlaine
November 12th, 2001, 12:49 PM
Also, you have to remember that International LAw and US Law are not one in the same. Any sovereign nation has the right to declare war whenever and on whomever it deems appropriate (more or less--there are exceptions). I wish I could explain this better, but at the moment I"m afraid I can't. Even though my degree is in International communication, I couldnt tell you much about international politics anymore. It's true what they say--if you dont use it, you lose it!)

UnSolon
November 12th, 2001, 05:31 PM
Originally posted by amberlaine
Also, you have to remember that International LAw and US Law are not one in the same. Any sovereign nation has the right to declare war whenever and on whomever it deems appropriate (more or less--there are exceptions). I wish I could explain this better, but at the moment I"m afraid I can't. Even though my degree is in International communication, I couldnt tell you much about international politics anymore. It's true what they say--if you dont use it, you lose it!)

Ummm... one problem there though. The USA has NOT declared war on anyone. They are simply fighting. So there is a problem with even US policy.

BTW, of the transcript of Bin Ladens message which I have read it can be interpretted to be taken that he is admitting guilt. However, it could also be interpretted that he is simply praising the people who DID do it, and that he would support them.

He uses the words, "I" and "We" in the statement, indicating that it was them, however where they are used it looks like he is just saying that himself and Al-Quada (sp?) support that act of terror.
He does not ACTUALLY say that he did it. (If I missed a part of the transcript, please point it out to me)

ieieieieieieieieieieie........ I suppose we shall be judged a thousand years from now as to who was in the right. Remember, History, right or wrong, is written by the victors.

Peace...