Is this a message???

[Agaliha]

Just a few minutes ago I was getting some more links about Minera for Avanti and this is what happened.
1. I found a site mentioning Minerva and Arachne (<--- turned into a Spider)
2. I looked down at the keyboard and saw a spider. Now I HATE spiders, I get joy out of killing them (sorry all you spider lovers). So I uh, killed it.
3. And then right after a "stomp the spider (get a free IPod)" pop-up window popped into the background. (it had a spider running back and forth and a bulls-eye...I've never seen it before)

Also a few days ago I saw a spider in my room somewhere...I was going to kill it, but it escaped ::shudders::
And about 3 months ago the creepiest-- I was laying down in my bed about ready to turn over and go to sleep when I looked up (I wasn't even going to) and saw a spider hanging from the ceiling RIGHT above my head. It was like 6 inches from my head...if i didn't look it'd be on me! ( :flamer: )...
And there were other spider things too. Like my mass murder of Hobos (those are poisonous you know!)

So I was wondering, those things that just happened-- could that be some sign or message?
I'm going to look into Spider symbolism and Spider Goddesses (besides Arachne).
Any opinions or info?

Edited to add: I also rememeber three nights ago I was laying at the foot of my parents bed (on the floor) watching a movie and I swore a huge spider was skittering past me. It was dark in the room and I flew up and put the lights on...and nothing. But I swear is was there...a "phantom spider" ?? :spidey:

[tecoyah]

Everything is a message.....the hard part is figuring out what was said.

[Agaliha]

Everything is a message.....the hard part is figuring out what was said.

I agree figuring out the meaning is the hardest part, but I also don't think everything that happens to us is a message or sign from above...I also have a hard time figuring out it something is or not which is why I was curious if others thought this was, or if they had something similar happen.

[Semele]

Oh most definately a message. Stop.....killling....spiders. Just remove them. :)

[Agaliha]

Oh most definately a message. Stop.....killling....spiders. Just remove them. :)

Lol. I don't think its that kind of message... I think its more...uh, spiritual. I mean those three things that happened are highly coincidental...and to happen in that sequence right after each other... :twitch:
As for killing them....I don't think I'll stop just yet. Especially with the poisonous Hobos. Sorry.
I guess I'll have to figure it out on my own...I'm looking up spider symbolism, totems and Gods. I'll see if that helps.

[Bryony]

Well, do you want it to be a message?

(I agree with Semele, stop killing the spiders.)

[Agaliha]

Well, do you want it to be a message?
(I agree with Semele, stop killing the spiders.)

Do I want it to be? I don't know. For me it's not about choosing what is a sign/message and what's not. Things don't happen like that with me all the time, so I think it is (a sign) but who knows. Thats why I asked and why I'm researching.
And about killing spiders ::sigh:: I don't think that's the message and that's not what I started this thread about. I don't kill them all the time-- only if they are way up on my ceiling and I can't use a cup to catch them...or if its a hobo in my house (I don't want poison spiders flourshing anymore than they do-- puts humans lives and my pets at risk). Or if it startled me, like this one did-- I just did my immediate reaction. Most of the time my dad gets them. Funny thing is-- spiders that grow up inside often die outside... so some people are killing them anway. :nuhuh:

[~Elise~]

I feel about spiders like you do...but because of that, they are a Shadow Totem for me. Help me to discover the hidden within myself.

Also--spiders are a sign of the Goddess' protection, as well. I usually the Her thank you...now please make them go away...if they don't...I yell for Rick to come kill 'em

Elise

[Kudzu]

There ain't no co-ink-ee-dinks! I know a nice woman who, before Initiation, hated and feared spiders. Now, she loves 'em and can't get enough of 'em! She even has a pet tarantula!

P.S. Invest in a Bug Buddy: http://www.beanfarm.com/cgi-bin/store/agora.cgi?cart_id=9123889.29079*Pw0_A6&p_id=50087&xm=on&ppinc=search2 (http://www.beanfarm.com/cgi-bin/store/agora.cgi?cart_id=9123889.29079*Pw0_A6&p_id=50087&xm=on&ppinc=search2)

[Teresa]

I was going to suggest this may be a totem for you. There may be a lesson you are supposed to learn from spiders. Just a suggestion. Read up about spider lore,They are sometimes thought as a form of protection ( from the Goddess)as mentioned Above by pearls59.

[Agaliha]

Thanks for the helpful feedback



I feel about spiders like you do...but because of that, they are a Shadow Totem for me. Help me to discover the hidden within myself.
Also--spiders are a sign of the Goddess' protection, as well. I usually the Her thank you...now please make them go away...if they don't...I yell for Rick to come kill 'em

Shadow Totem, eh? I've heard of that, but I don't know what it is exactly...I'll research that too. I didn't know they were a sign of the Goddess's protection either. Kind of suprising to me...I don't think protection when I see a spider. I think: eww, eek!, where's something to kill it with or where is my father/brother?.



There ain't no co-ink-ee-dinks! I know a nice woman who, before Initiation, hated and feared spiders. Now, she loves 'em and can't get enough of 'em! She even has a pet tarantula!

That's what I think-- it wasn't random...it was way too "planned" and weird for it to be random. I mean the things happened right after each other.
Wow, that's cool she overcame her fear.
Oh and thanks for the link to the Bug Buddy-- that is so cool. I could deal with spiders like that (seems easier than cups). I'll see if any stores by me have it.



I was going to suggest this may be a totem for you. There may be a lesson you are supposed to learn from spiders.


That's what I was thinking too-- either a totem like thing or a lesson/message.

I found and printed up tons of stuff about the arachnids as totems, lore, and myth-- I'm going to read it tonight. :cool:
Thanks again :)

[Teresa]

Native Americans believe that everyone has 9 animal totems from which You learn aspects about Yourself and life lessons. They represent North,South,East,West,Above,Below,Left and Right.The left and right stay with you always they are your protectors and represent the male and feminine aspects.The others may change as you change on your journey and have new lessons to learn. They will come to you at different times. Maybe try meditating on the spider and see what comes to mind.

[Agaliha]

Ok, just found this




Shadow Totems
Shadow totems are an animal that you may fear, or even hate. They have the power to control you, because you fear them. You have to overcome your fear of your shadow totem and learn to work with them, once you do this animal will become one of your most powerful totems.


That would apply to the spider and me. I seem to "Hate" them more than anything else...
and



Shadow Animal Totems
1)What animal attacks have you been in?
2)What scary or traumatic animal situations have you been in?
3)Does seeing a certain animal bring up feelings of fear?
4)What animal do you run from?
5)What animals do you have reoccurring nightmares about?
6)Does just watching TV with that animal appearing scare you?
Answering two questions with the same animal means you have a Shadow Totem you must address. Remember that the Shadow Totem will continually test you and work against you for you are it's prey. You must embrace the lesson of the animal totem and conquer your fear, accept the power of the Shadow totem, and bring it into the light.


2, 3, 4 and 6 apply...and 5 used to apply when I was younger....
That's a lot, huh?
I don't know how I can overcome my fear and embrace the spider...

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y82/MerytBast/sbpider1.gif
:bug:

[Teresa]

Do not feel too bad my Shadow Totem is a snake! Meditation has helped some.

[Agaliha]

Do not feel too bad my Shadow Totem is a snake! Meditation has helped some.

Ah, but I LOVE snakes! I wanted to get a corn snake, but I realized I can't care for something that could live 20+ years...so I got three feeder mice (albino females). ;).

[Teresa]

Ah, but I LOVE snakes! I wanted to get a corn snake, but I realized I can't care for something that could live 20+ years...so I got three feeder mice (albino females). ;).
I used to feel about snakes as you do spiders! I am usually a quiet person.Last year somehow a snake got into my room from outside.Everyone in the house knew it :jawdrop: !I was tramatized and didn't sleep well for months and everywhere I went I saw snakes.This kept happening until I addressed the issue. There was a point in time I could not even stand to see a snake on TV.That was how bad my fear was of them and I had nightmares for a while after the incident with one in my room .We never found it but did find a baby snake in the room beside mine which they proudly showed me in a jar .Grinning and saying" look we found your snake" I was like no my snake was bigger I almost had mistaken it for the long strap on my pocketbook.

[Agaliha]

Wow, I can understand your fear.
I used to be freaked about snakes too until I started liking them for some reason. I held some Gardner snakes and stuff-- it was cool.
Spiders on the other hand...yeah...creepy! I totally understand.

[Teresa]

My lesson from the snake was "Snake reminds you that harming yourself with more harsh words,thoughts or actions is not the answer.The snake asks You to practice the art of forgiveness beginning with yourself, because once you can forgive yourself for what has happened then you can learn from your mistake." This was me to a capital T. I was harboring guilt about a decision I made 12 years ago and I had not let go of it.The decision was life changing and I have learned from my mistake but have lived with regret since that time.BTW spiders represent - creative, pattern of life,balance

[Agaliha]

Interesting, thanks for sharing that :)

Check out the bottom of my siggy, lol... :cool:

[Willow Rosemerta]

Wow I've been having the same thing happen with me!
I found one in the bathtub the other day. Now I'm not so scared of spiders, as I get freaked out if one's in my space. So I thought about killing it, but I was like nah, so I used a peice of toilet paper and tried to throw it out the door, I didn't end up doing that I set it by the door and went away. Well, now I believe it's made a home underneath the sink. I'm thinking of putting it in a cup and putting it outside, since I don't know if it's a poisonous one or not. I don't need baby spiders in my house *shudder*.

I used to be so afraid of snakes and spiders, but over the years I've gotten used to them. They're both beautiful in their own creepy way. I hope you find your message that you need to learn *hugs*

[aluokaloo]

Well I have heard that spiders as toetms teach through fear, this could be a sign opf a shadow animal, or maybethe Goddess is having a good laugh at you, or the phantom, spider told all his little friends to come get revenge on you...RUN!

[Agaliha]

Ok everyone, I think I found my totem!!!
I was reading a few pages of the stuff I printed up and it soooo fits me. I never knew spiders were associated with writing, languages and creativity. And I am a creative person...I love to write, to read, to learn languages and write poetry--some could even say I'm obsessed. And it said those who "deny" the Spider (if it is their totem) are denying their life's path. And that it can leave you feeling "drained"...and lately I've been lacking of my creativity...I want to write, but I can't seem too... and now the Spider appeared in my life! Probably a sign to let me know to get back on track. Everything I've read about the Spider so far fits me all the way, which is odd. I guess I never knew-- or cared to know. But now that I'm learning, I'm "warming" up to the spiders... I found a small Daddy Long-Legs in my room and I left it alone to stay as my "spider- friend". I'm getting a feeling it's not a Shadow Totem-- even though I am afraid of them. I am attracted to the spider in a...uhhh, spiritual sense (what they mean, symbolism and stuff) but physically they still freak me out. Maybe, because they are so tied to weaving, words, language and creativity that the Spider in my "life totem"? I'm not sure. I still have TONS more pages to read...but I'm excited! :)

[Teresa]

Ok everyone, I think I found my totem!!!
I was reading a few pages of the stuff I printed up and it soooo fits me. I never knew spiders were associated with writing, languages and creativity. And I am a creative person...I love to write, to read, to learn languages and write poetry--some could even say I'm obsessed. And it said those who "deny" the Spider (if it is their totem) are denying their life's path. And that it can leave you feeling "drained"...and lately I've been lacking of my creativity...I want to write, but I can't seem too... and now the Spider appeared in my life! Probably a sign to let me know to get back on track. Everything I've read about the Spider so far fits me all the way, which is odd. I guess I never knew-- or cared to know. But now that I'm learning, I'm "warming" up to the spiders... I found a small Daddy Long-Legs in my room and I left it alone to stay as my "spider- friend". I'm getting a feeling it's not a Shadow Totem-- even though I am afraid of them. I am attracted to the spider in a...uhhh, spiritual sense (what they mean, symbolism and stuff) but physically they still freak me out. Maybe, because they are so tied to weaving, words, language and creativity that the Spider in my "life totem"? I'm not sure. I still have TONS more pages to read...but I'm excited! :)
Bingo that is the creativity I was speaking of earlier!Facing this and dealing with it will turn this totem into a Powerful Totem for You ! :clapping: Good Work!

[LadyCelt]

is what you fear a shadow totem and what is your shadow totem, your fear you must face?

For me, its snakes. I used ot love them and hold them at stores. But, now, they scare me. Maybe its too much biblical symbolism with Satan for me. Spiders can creep me out, but I've never faced a de-fanged terancula or poisonous one, and I pray I never do Maybe I'd ahve two shadow totems then

[Teresa]

is what you fear a shadow totem and what is your shadow totem, your fear you must face?

For me, its snakes. I used ot love them and hold them at stores. But, now, they scare me. Maybe its too much biblical symbolism with Satan for me. Spiders can creep me out, but I've never faced a de-fanged terancula or poisonous one, and I pray I never do Maybe I'd ahve two shadow totems then
Yes. Snakes are mine as well. Look back a few posts and You can see what I learned from the snake.Once you embrace it and learn the lesson it holds for you the totem becomes Powerful for You ! You can have more than one Shadow Totem.

[Agaliha]

Bingo that is the creativity I was speaking of earlier!Facing this and dealing with it will turn this totem into a Powerful Totem for You ! :clapping: Good Work!

Thanks :). It's odd how much the spider seem to "click" with me. One of the things I read mentioned people with this totem love to spin and weave with words...and I do, all the time. Power totem? There are so many different kinds, lol.
ah, found this: "Power Animals are usually a reflection of your deepest self and also represent qualities which you need in this world, but which are often hidden or obscured."
That makes sense.
Pretty cool.
I'll try to finish my reading of spider things today...I'll see if there is anything else that makes sense too. I'll post later...

[Teresa]

My lesson from the snake was "Snake reminds you that harming yourself with more harsh words,thoughts or actions is not the answer.The snake asks You to practice the art of forgiveness beginning with yourself, because once you can forgive yourself for what has happened then you can learn from your mistake." This was me to a capital T. I was harboring guilt about a decision I made 12 years ago and I had not let go of it.The decision was life changing and I have learned from my mistake but have lived with regret since that time.BTW spiders represent - creative, pattern of life,balance
Here ya go Lady Celt.Google Shadow Totems and you will get a list of sites where You can read more about Totems and their meanings. _pounce_

[Agaliha]

I also found another odd link. Like I said in the NA sharing thread, I've been interested in learning about my Ancestors traditions and such. Well I went searching for Cherokee Gods and Goddesses and one seemed to jump out: Grandmother Spider! Here is a Cherokee story about how Grandmother Spider stole the Sun:


Now, when Earth was brand new, there was much confusion, for there was darkness everywhere. All of Earth's Peoples kept bumping into each other, and were often hurt. They all cried out for light, that they might see.
Fox said that he knew of some people on the other side of the world who had plenty light. He said that it was nice and warm, but those people were too greedy to share it with anyone else. Possum said that he would steal Sun. "I have a beautiful, bushy tail," he said. "I can hide the Sun in all of that fur. Let me try."
So Possum went to the other side of the world and found the Sun. It was hanging up in a Tree and lighting up everything. Possum took a piece of the Sun and hid it in the fur of his tail. But Sun was so hot that it burned all of Possum's tail hairs off. To this day, Possum has a bare tail. The people discovered Possum and took the piece of the Sun back.
Buzzard said, "I will take the Sun myself. I will put it on my head, so that I can see where I am going with it." So he tried to take the Sun too. He flew to the other side of the world, and dived down to snare the Sun in his claws. But it was so hot that it burned all of Buzzard's feathers off of his head. To this day, Buzzard's head is bald and ugly. The people discovered Buzzard, and took the Sun back.
Then Grandmother Spider said, "Let me try." First, she made a very thick clay pot, big enough to put the Sun in. Then, she spun a web which reached all the way to the other side of the world. She was so small and quiet that these people did not notice her at all. When she was ready, she quickly snatched up the Sun in her big clay pot, and hurried back home along her web. Now her side of the world had light, and warmth. Everyone rejoiced at Grandmother Spider's gift.
Spider Woman brought the Sun to the Principal People, the Cherokee, but also the gift of fire. She also taught them to make pottery.
http://www.snowwowl.com/swolfstorycher5.html (http://www.snowwowl.com/swolfstorycher5.html)


I guess I'm going in the right drection then. :)

[Briana]

I freak over spiders and bees...really freak. I have long curly hair and got a bee stuck in it when I was younger...that was REALLY horrible. And as for spiders...I had this huge Wolf spider in my studio apartment when I was alot younger...and I rang my mom at 2am in the morning freaking out...tee hee. She still laughs about it (she lives 2 hours away).

Anyhow, I looked up Spider in Ted Andrews' Animal-Speak book (I'm having a real problem keeping the book open as it has spiders on it) but here's a condensed version of some of what he put:


...Spiders teach you to maintain balance--between past and future, physical and spiritual, male and female. Spider teaches you that everything you do now is weaving what you will encounter in the future...The spider found within the web reminds us that we are the center of our world.

...If spider has come into your life, ask yourself some important questions. Are you not weaving your dreams and imaginings into reality? Are you not using your creative opportunities? Are you feeling closed in or stuck as if in a web? Do you need to pay attention to your balance and where you are walking in life? Are others out of balance around you? Do you need to write? Are you inspired to write or draw and not following through? ....
The book actually goes into a LOT more detail. If you looking into Animal Guides/Totems, I highly recommend this book. It even gets down to details such as Barn Owls, Great White Owls, etc.

Pearls59 thanks for putting in the info on Shadow Totems...its the first I've heard of them.

Well, I'm off to read about Bee...not quite ready to deal with spider yet (and I don't write or draw so I'll have to dig into the meaning there).

Blessings,
Briana

[Rainstorme]

Could be the Goddess urging you to work with one of Her other aspects. Try working with a Goddess that is related with the symbol of the Spider. The Goddess is definately trying to show you something new about you and even possibly Herself.

[Rainstorme]

Could be the Goddess urging you to work with one of Her other aspects. Try working with a Goddess that is related with the symbol of the Spider. The Goddess is definately trying to show you something new about you and even possibly Herself.

[Agaliha]

Here are some bee links/info for you, Briana:

"Bumble Bee--Bee is the ancient symbol of good fortune, joy and harmony. In the dream world, bee comes as a gift from Spirit. He buzzes about in order to awaken us into the moment. Alert and aware, we see that life is sweet and filled with brightness, color and light. Bee also teaches us to engage fully in our creative endeavors. The key is to focus with intention and to be single-minded in purpose. Finally, bee shows us that all life is interdependent." ( http://www.cathyginter.com/TOTEM.html (http://www.cathyginter.com/TOTEM.html) )

http://www.animaltotem.com/bee.html (http://www.animaltotem.com/bee.html)
http://www.fortunecity.com/greenfield/ecolodge/197/bee.html (http://www.fortunecity.com/greenfield/ecolodge/197/bee.html)
http://healing.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?zi=1/XJ&sdn=healing&zu=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.polarissite.net%2Fpage26.html (http://healing.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?zi=1/XJ&sdn=healing&zu=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.polarissite.net%2Fpage26.html)
http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/Andes/1029/bee.html (http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/Andes/1029/bee.html)

Bee: Fertility and the Honey of Life
BEE: Community, Celebration, Organization.

http://morningstar.netfirms.com/bee.html (http://morningstar.netfirms.com/bee.html) -- bee medicine

BEE:
Service; Gathering; Community. Bee teaches us it is possible to live together in harmony, however impossible that may seem at times. As a community, bees create honey (sweeter life), wax (sealing, bonding, polishing) pollen (healing), and are know to do a sun dance ~ a celebration of living. Within some cultures, they are connected to female warrior & Goddess energy, are a symbol of reincarnation, and can communicate with the dead.
a.. concentration
b.. structure
c.. community
d.. communication
e.. celebration of living
f.. prosperity
( http://www.angelfire.com/weird/psychicvampiress/witchery/poweranimals.html (http://www.angelfire.com/weird/psychicvampiress/witchery/poweranimals.html) )

http://mill-valley.freemasonry.biz/worrel/beehive.htm (http://mill-valley.freemasonry.biz/worrel/beehive.htm)

bee
The bee is a sign of industry, creativity, wealth, diligence and eloquence. The Egyptians used it as a symbol of regal power. In armory, it is used to represent well-governed industry. The Emperor Napoleon gave the bee considerable importance in the French armory by adopting it as his personal badge. They also appeared on the mantle and pavilion around the armorial bearings of the empire, as well as on his coronation mantle. The bee is undoubtedly the most popular insect found in heraldry, and even the beehive occurs often as a crest. ( http://www.houseofnames.com/xq/asp/keyword.bee/qx/symbolism_details.htm (http://www.houseofnames.com/xq/asp/keyword.bee/qx/symbolism_details.htm) )

http://lunedemiel.tm.fr/anglais/06.htm (http://lunedemiel.tm.fr/anglais/06.htm) --symbolism

http://www.stormpages.com/ejourney/articles/animals/totems/bee.html (http://www.stormpages.com/ejourney/articles/animals/totems/bee.html) -- from Animal Speak

I also have TONS of spider ones i could post another time if they are needed...There is more to the Spider Totem than writing and drawing and things like that. For me the Spider is not a Shadow totem-- so I already embrace all those Creative things and they are a deep art of me. For you it may be that you need to enbrace them and haven't? Just an idea.

[Agaliha]

Could be the Goddess urging you to work with one of Her other aspects. Try working with a Goddess that is related with the symbol of the Spider. The Goddess is definately trying to show you something new about you and even possibly Herself.

Thanks for the ideas. So far I only know of Arachne and Grandmother Spider. Grandmother Spider makes more sense, because like me She is Cherokee. But I know more about Arachne...hummm... I know there are other weaver, spinner Goddesses though. I'll look into that. I think She is trying to tell me something as well. :)

[Briana]

Here are some bee links/info for you, Briana:

"Bumble Bee--Alert and aware, we see that life is sweet and filled with brightness, color and light.
BEE: ...bees create honey (sweeter life), pollen (healing), and are know to do a sun dance ~ a celebration of living. Within some cultures, they are connected to female warrior & Goddess energy, are a symbol of

Brilliant! Thank you BlessedFeathers! Just at a glance, one of the aspects stands out especially strong...sometimes I find myself loosing sight of the 'brightness, colour and light of living'. Thank you for all the links; I definitely need to find out more about Bee.

Blessings,
Briana

[Agaliha]

Brilliant! Thank you BlessedFeathers! Just at a glance, one of the aspects stands out especially strong...sometimes I find myself loosing sight of the 'brightness, colour and light of living'. Thank you for all the links; I definitely need to find out more about Bee.

Blessings,
Briana

You're welcome! If I find more I'll post them here. :lilangel:
I run from bees, but I'm not afraid of them like I am of spiders (in a physical sense). I went out to the garage to do my laundry just a moment ago and I saw the BIGGEST Hobo-looking spider stilling right on the side of the wall where the stairs are. I was like Holy Crap! I called my mom and dad to look...and instead of killing it (like I wanted to) I had my dad catch it (then he chased me around the house with it in a cup and me screaming murder...what a jerk :bastard: ) So yeah...that was not so cool...

[Briana]

For me the Spider is not a Shadow totem-- so I already embrace all those Creative things and they are a deep art of me. For you it may be that you need to enbrace them and haven't? Just an idea.
Yes, you're right. I need to also look into Spider too...especially since I'm pulling so strongly against it. I had an encounter with a Black Widow a few months ago...I actually 'shrieked' when I saw it (and I don't shriek! tee hee).

Blessings,
Briana

[Briana]

I saw the BIGGEST Hobo-looking spider stilling right on the side of the wall where the stairs are. I was like Holy Crap! I called my mom and dad to look...and instead of killing it (like I wanted to) I had my dad catch it (then he chased me around the house with it in a cup and me screaming murder...what a jerk :bastard: ) So yeah...that was not so cool...
Ahhhhhhhh...I have the willies!!!!! ! I can't believe your Dad did that!!! Oh crickey...I'd have a bloody cow!

[Agaliha]

Yes, you're right. I need to also look into Spider too...especially since I'm pulling so strongly against it. I had an encounter with a Black Widow a few months ago...I actually 'shrieked' when I saw it (and I don't shriek! tee hee).
Blessings,
Briana

I "shreak" too. But I'm only scared of them up close and if they suddenly appear in my room or near me. Other times I don't mind. Black Widows are poison (Hobos are too) so I'd shreak over that!

Do you want me to post some spider links too? I've found some great info that's really helped me...

Here are some: (I have to find the others)
http://www.animaltotem.com/spider.html (http://www.animaltotem.com/spider.html)
http://www.linsdomain.com/totems/pages/tarantula.htm (http://www.linsdomain.com/totems/pages/tarantula.htm)
http://wolfs_moon.tripod.com/SpiderTotem.html (http://wolfs_moon.tripod.com/SpiderTotem.html)

Spider-creative, pattern of life
Spider - The spider represents creativity and the weaving of fate. Everything you do in the present will help determine your future. The past always influences the present and the future. It also teaches the need to maintain balance between the past and the future.
Spider - Weaver. As Spider weaves her web so we weave our realities. This medicine teaches to remember that we are the creators of our lives. that we are the creators of our lives.

http://www.mythinglinks.org/ct~weaving.html (http://www.mythinglinks.org/ct~weaving.html) --has links to things about spinning and weaving

http://www.vampyra.com/children/nature.htm (http://www.vampyra.com/children/nature.htm)
http://www.sheps.com/ancestors/soulsofnature/spider.html (http://www.sheps.com/ancestors/soulsofnature/spider.html)


Things that keep showing up with Spiders are creativity, the written word (it is said they created the first language), fate, weaving, feminine, mysteries etc.

I'll post the others later :)

Oh, Bees are also linked to the Greek pantheon and ancient Egypt.
http://www.mysticwicks.com/showthread.php?t=105154 (http://www.mysticwicks.com/showthread.php?t=105154)
http://www.layneredmond.com/bee.htm (http://www.layneredmond.com/bee.htm)

[circesraven]

I love spiders, they are a good totem. then again I lack in common sense, :)

[Briana]

Thanks BlessedFeathers for the great links. There may be something in the 'past and future' and 'weaving my future'. I'm going to have to look into that (although...it will be daytime research--I'm not studying spiders before I go to sleep at night *shivers*). And actually the Black Widow to be specific.

Also, from the threads...it appears as spider is very strongly in the N. American Indian spirituality. I'm wondering if I need to look more into that area also (I have a strong connection to Celtic, but I practice some NA Indian traditions). But I've found I have two Indian guides...and the real surprise was that I was Indian in a past life. (We did a regression to a past life where we had a good death so we could speak to our guides...and I was really surprised when I looked down at myself and saw a squaws dress! I've never felt much connection to NA Indian spirituality).

BTW, I've never heard of the Hobo spider. I'm in N. Calif; we have Widows and Brown Recluse (more poisonous). Where are Hobos found?

Well...I'm off to bed (need to get these spiders out of my head...teehee).

Blessings,
Briana

[Agaliha]

Thanks BlessedFeathers for the great links.
You're welcome :)



Also, from the threads...it appears as spider is very strongly in the N. American Indian spirituality. I'm wondering if I need to look more into that area also (I have a strong connection to Celtic, but I practice some NA Indian traditions). But I've found I have two Indian guides...and the real surprise was that I was Indian in a past life. (We did a regression to a past life where we had a good death so we could speak to our guides...and I was really surprised when I looked down at myself and saw a squaws dress! I've never felt much connection to NA Indian spirituality).

Wow, I've always wanted to know what my past lives were. You're lucky. I have a feeling one was in ancient Egypt or as some sort of person investigating Egypt as well as other times and things. As for me I have the Native American blood link, but I've never really been drawn to it either. It wasn't until I researched the spider and found out that the Cherokees have "Grandmother Spider" that decided to take a hint and look into it.



BTW, I've never heard of the Hobo spider. I'm in N. Calif; we have Widows and Brown Recluse (more poisonous). Where are Hobos found?

I live in western WA (not in a city) but Hobos can be found in many states.
http://www.ipm.ucdavis.edu/PMG/PESTNOTES/pn7488.html (http://www.ipm.ucdavis.edu/PMG/PESTNOTES/pn7488.html)
http://extension.ag.uidaho.edu/district4/MG/hobo2.html (http://extension.ag.uidaho.edu/district4/MG/hobo2.html)
Here are some Copy-cat looking spiders, but with those since they are poisonous I don't take my chances. Hobos came to the US from England (thanx :meanhead: )

[BlackMagicalCat]

OH MY GOD ESS

I hate spiders,I didnt know there was a spider Goddess,I think ill stick with the Lord,spiders really creep me out,I have been biten by them when I was in the Philipines,and here too.

I think things that happen do happen for a reason.Im wondering,what does the spider Goddess look like?Well,what do I know.Good luck on your journey.

And the bee information you posted was great,thanks.

[Agaliha]

There a a few Goddesses linked to Spiders.
The Native American Grandmother Spider/Spider Woman
The Greek Arachne
The Hindu Maya --because of her ties to illusion. Maya=illusion.
And there are many others linked to Spinning, weaving and fate.

As for what a Spider Goddesses I assume either like a spider or which spider like things-- webs, threads, as a weaver. It also depends on which Native American Tribe--as there are different art forms and styles.

I found one pic of a "Spider Woman" I don't know if its a Goddess or not...
Here: http://www.strayreality.com/Lanis_Strayreality/Pics3/spiderwoman.jpg (http://www.strayreality.com/Lanis_Strayreality/Pics3/spiderwoman.jpg)

Ha. thanks for the animated spider.

[Briana]

Ugghhh...I hope those 'Hobos' stay out of N. Calif. Sounds like they are really quick like the Wolf spider, too. And from those website, it does appear that killing them is the best thing to do if you find them in your home. I definitely would not mess around with them...acckkk.


Wow, I've always wanted to know what my past lives were. You're lucky. I have a feeling one was in ancient Egypt or as some sort of person investigating Egypt as well as other times and things. As for me I have the Native American blood link, but I've never really been drawn to it either. It wasn't until I researched the spider and found out that the Cherokees have "Grandmother Spider" that decided to take a hint and look into it.

Tee hee...maybe we're both being told to 'get in touch' with the N American Indian spirituality! To my knowledge, I don't have any Indian blood...but my mom was very active in helping out the Native American's when I was a kid. I remember all of our old clothes was donated to reservations, etc. She just gave me a very kool sand painting that was given to her years ago. It reflects all the directions along with other symbolizom.

I've always been interested in my past lives too. I know a few of them...but would like to learn more. I went to a 'highly recommended' hypnotherapist (initially to get rid of this horrible 'ooly-gooly' that had latched on to me). He also did past life...so I decided to check it out. Well, it was very interesting...but I definitely did not have a good life. I died (actually was killed) when I was around 16. But that's a whole long story.

Hmmm...there are alot of Goddesses that weave. If I remember correctly, Frigg (norse) also weaves. Will have to see if she is associated with spider.

Blessings (and stay clear of those Hobos!)
Briana

[Agaliha]

Ugghhh...I hope those 'Hobos' stay out of N. Calif. Sounds like they are really quick like the Wolf spider, too. And from those website, it does appear that killing them is the best thing to do if you find them in your home. I definitely would not mess around with them...acckkk.

YUP! That's my rule. If I see one that looks like it and is quick on the floor, it's going down! They're poor climbers, so the ones up on the walls usually aren't hobos. They freak me out, especially after I read their bites can necrotize (kill) the flesh!!


Tee hee...maybe we're both being told to 'get in touch' with the N American Indian spirituality!
Probably :). It's hard trying to find info about Cerokee Dieties and ways though. It'll take some work.


I went to a 'highly recommended' hypnotherapist
I was thinking of going to one of those sometime....just to see what happens and what I learn.


Hmmm...there are alot of Goddesses that weave.
Yup, I found a list:
Aclla Peruvian Weaving
Arachne Greek Weaving
Chih Nu Chinese Weaving
Eileithyia Greek Spinning
Ehacatl Aztec Crafts
Frau Holle Germanic Spinning
Giane Sardinian Spinning, Weaving
Habetrot English Spinning
Hsi-Ling Shih Chinese Silk weaving
India Rosa Venezuela Weaving, Pottery
Ix Chebel Yax Mayan Weaving, Dyeing, Spinning
Iyamoopo African Indigo, Weaving, Dyeing
Kanene Ski Amai Yehi Cherokee Weaving, Pottery
Kothar-u-Khasis Canaanite Crafts
Myrmex Greek Weaving
Neit Egyptian Weaving, Crafts
Paivatar Finnish Spinning, Weaving, Sun
Papalluga Serbian Spinning
Penelope Greek Weaving
Ruana Nieda Saami Spinning
Rua Tahitian Crafts
Saule Baltic Weaving, Dance, Poetry
Spider Woman Navajo Dine Weaving Spinning
Sreca Serbian Spinning
Sunna Scandinavian Spinning
Sweigsdunka Lithuanian Weaving
Tatsuta-Hime Japanese Weaving
Wakahirume Japanese Weaving

Plus the Moirae (Fates) and the Norns and other Fate Dieties.

[Agaliha]

Another message?

Since I learned astrologically I have the strongest connection to Earth (which now that I think about it...makes sense) I decided to look up Earth Correspondences and Magick. As I was searching I found a site with the person calling themself a "Cherokee Eclectic Solitary Kitchen Witch".... note the "Cherokee". I just thought it was again odd to have it pop up when I was searching for Earth Magick.

[Teresa]

Another message?

Since I learned astrologically I have the strongest connection to Earth (which now that I think about it...makes sense) I decided to look up Earth Correspondences and Magick. As I was searching I found a site with the person calling themself a "Cherokee Eclectic Solitary Kitchen Witch".... note the "Cherokee". I just thought it was again odd to have it pop up when I was searching for Earth Magick.
Explore Your heritage some more there is something for You to learn. BTW many Cherokee that practice magic use forms of folk magic with is related to the Earth! Good Luck on your Journey!

[Agaliha]

Explore Your heritage some more there is something for You to learn. BTW many Cherokee that practice magic use forms of folk magic with is related to the Earth! Good Luck on your Journey!

...that's what I'm thinking :).
It's hard though, because I live so far from any Cherokee reservation/land and my father wasn't taught anything and there isn't much online. I'm interested, but I feel like I keep hitting a road block. :wah: . I want to learn though, so I will try my best to take whatever it is in.
Cherokees practice magick? Do you mean traditionaly or modern? Interesting. Earth magick is something that interests me, so I'll look into that more.
Thanks for the luck :)

[Teresa]

...that's what I'm thinking :).
It's hard though, because I live so far from any Cherokee reservation/land and my father wasn't taught anything and there isn't much online. I'm interested, but I feel like I keep hitting a road block. :wah: . I want to learn though, so I will try my best to take whatever it is in.
Cherokees practice magick? Do you mean traditionaly or modern? Interesting. Earth magick is something that interests me, so I'll look into that more.
Thanks for the luck :)
In my area the ones that practice magic do what would be called Hoodoo. google cherokee you should get some sites to look at. There is a newspaper. www.cherokeeobserver.org (www.cherokeeobserver.org)
I lived on the rez in N.C. growing up.My ancestors were part of the ones that hid in the mountains and did not follow the trail of tears.

[Agaliha]

In my area the ones that practice magic do what would be called Hoodoo. google cherokee you should get some sites to look at. There is a newspaper. www.cherokeeobserver.org (www.cherokeeobserver.org)
I lived on the rez in N.C. growing up.My ancestors were part of the ones that hid in the mountains and did not follow the trail of tears.

Hoodoo...hummmm, isn't that linked to Voodoo?
I live in WA state so there aren't any Cherokee reservations around here that I know of. There are other tribes though-- lots of them. Wow, hid in the Mts. --very cleaver. From what I've been told my ancestors were on the Trail of Tears.... thanks for the link.

[Agaliha]

Wow, even more spider experiences for me!!!

Two nights ago I decided to listen to some calming music-- the instrumental/light techno kind...and I eventually fell asleep (I was laying down).
Well all the sudden I awoke in a panic with the strong thought/sense of a spider in my bed with me. In my head it was there and BIG. I almost fell and flipped on my lights and frantically threw my covers off and ran my hands down my sheets and looked. There was nothing. It seemed SO real though. It was really odd...that's never really happened to me...I mean I was awake after the initial panic...but I still had that feeling...maybe a spider did visit me in the dream plane or something...?

Also, last night it was late and I was on the computer. The whole room was dark but the computer and I was reading a site when a fricken' spider (small) came repelling on it's web right across the comp. screen!! Again I turned the light on and tried to search for it...nothing. But it was really small, and prabably quick...but I KNOW it was there. Bizzare.

It keeps getting weirder and weirder...I really need to write these down in a journal or something!

[halfwaynowhere]

according to some native american mythology, the spider is the prankster... he will mess with your head, try to confuse you... then again, in other native american mythology, the spider is a motherly type creature, making a web to carry the sun to people who have no sunlight... i think a lot of what the message could mean depends on your cutrrent situation, as well as how you interpret the message... what do you think its trying to tell you?

[Agaliha]

I don't think the spider is there to trick me. If you read a few pages back, I learned how much the Spider totem fits me. here: http://www.mysticwicks.com/showpost.php?p=2036905&postcount=22 (http://www.mysticwicks.com/showpost.php?p=2036905&postcount=22)
I think it's positive, not negative. About everything about the Spider totem applies to me. From being shy to loving languages and using the written word (poems, drabbles, fiction...I love the act of writing), creativity...etc. I have about 10 pages of notes about the spider...


motherly type creature, making a web to carry the sun to people who have no sunlight
Yup, that is what "Kanene Ski Amai Yehi" did. She's the Cherokee Spider Goddess. I'm trying to learn more about Her...she links both my Ancestry and my Totem...

I think a spider or a spider Goddess came to me in my sleep. I think the music put me in a more relaxed state and allowed some astral (?) contact to occur....

[Briana]

WOW...I think you're getting a big neon sign!! That is just too trippy. Keep up the studying...and start putting some of it into action.

Me...ever since I read this link I cannot get spiders (esp Widows) off my mind (esp when I go to bed at night...acckkk). For me though, I think spider is trying to tell me to start weaving my future. I pretty much live one day at a time (unless I'm planning a trip overseas :lol: ...but I haven't been able to afford that for quite some time). Gee...I know how to Viking weave...does that count....tee heee.

Blessings,
Briana

[Agaliha]

WOW...I think you're getting a big neon sign!! That is just too trippy. Keep up the studying...and start putting some of it into action.


Yeah, I'd say so, lol.
I should start putting what I learned about the Spider into action. I'll get on that tonight...I think I"ll start small and work up...



Me...ever since I read this link I cannot get spiders (esp Widows) off my mind (esp when I go to bed at night...acckkk). For me though, I think spider is trying to tell me to start weaving my future. I pretty much live one day at a time (unless I'm planning a trip overseas :lol: ...but I haven't been able to afford that for quite some time). Gee...I know how to Viking weave...does that count....tee heee.


He he he, well maybe you were meant to read this thread ;)
The weaving your own future thing I can see for myself as well.
I think the spider has a lot more to teach than meets the eye ;).

Viking weave? ...is that weaving like the Vikings did?
All I can do is Cross-stitch... I want to learn how to knit or something neat like that soon.

[Briana]

I think I"ll start small and work up....
Great plan...I'm going to do the same myself. (Don't want to overwhelm myself...and I still have to work on all the 'freaking out' about Spider.)


He he he, well maybe you were meant to read this thread ;)
The weaving your own future thing I can see for myself as well.
I think the spider has a lot more to teach than meets the eye ;).
Yes, definitely agree with you there...don't know why I would look at anything to do w/ spiders (tee hee). And your right...I'm sure there is more to learn from spider than just that!


Viking weave? ...is that weaving like the Vikings did?

Yes, it is a very simplistic type of weaving that they did. I'm not artistically inclined...so its something I can actually do. You just weave several pieces of yarn together with your hands. It makes good straps for the over apron. They also did card weaving (oh boy did I have trouble with that one) and had looms. The card weaving was for the trim for their dresses, tunics, etc. Knitting would be very kool to learn...but I so suck at that type of thing...I'm too much the perfectionist...and of course don't have the skills so it never comes out right...arrgghhh.

All I can do is Cross-stitch... I want to learn how to knit or something neat like that soon
Hmmm...maybe that is a good starting point for you. It is 'weaving' and it is also creative/artistic. And knitting is actually very relaxing. I have trouble flying so I used to knit during the 'bumpy' parts on the plane (tee hee...you can really tell where the ride got rough)!

Cheers,
Briana

[Agaliha]

Yes, it is a very simplistic type of weaving that they did. I'm not artistically inclined...so its something I can actually do. You just weave several pieces of yarn together with your hands. It makes good straps for the over apron. They also did card weaving (oh boy did I have trouble with that one) and had looms. The card weaving was for the trim for their dresses, tunics, etc. Knitting would be very kool to learn...but I so suck at that type of thing...I'm too much the perfectionist...and of course don't have the skills so it never comes out right...arrgghhh.


It sounds interesting.
I'm sometimes a perfectionist about things too...like when I tried basket making in my 6th grade textiles class. It was fun, but I sort of sucked at it...and I got pissed off cause my basket ended up looking like a worn out hat with holes in it ( :atantrum: ) LOl. I wonder if I still remember how to do it...



EDIT: I guess my dad is going by Michaels (a craft store) tomorrow and I know they have knitting kits for beginners there so I'm going to get one.
:dancy::dancy:

[Agaliha]

Ok, I decided on Chocheting instead, I've been told it was easier to learn. I bought a kit for beginners for 10$ and some yard for 2$. I guess the kit was a real deal because the 5 hooks on their own were sold for 15$!
I spent two hours last night trying to figure out how to chain stitch-- the instruction book had a more complicated way, but I found my own easy way. So I'm chain stitching away!
:dancy:

It's fun!

[Briana]

Ok, I decided on Chocheting instead, I've been told it was easier to learn. I bought a kit for beginners for 10$ and some yard for 2$. I guess the kit was a real deal because the 5 hooks on their own were sold for 15$!
I spent two hours last night trying to figure out how to chain stitch-- the instruction book had a more complicated way, but I found my own easy way. So I'm chain stitching away!
:dancy:

It's fun!
EXCELLENT! That is a great idea (and much more affordable). I remember I crocheted many years ago...but I think they were just long thin strips...tee heee (yes, miss non-creativity here). After the next two weekends of insanity, I need to get focused on Spider :reading: . Keep me posted on your crocheting...and your progress w/ Spider...maybe we can swap notes in a month!

Blessings,
Briana

[Agaliha]

After the next two weekends of insanity, I need to get focused on Spider :reading:

Good luck there! If you need some more links I can post them. I spent a whole day searching "Spider--totem/lore/symbolism/etc"



Keep me posted on your crocheting...and your progress w/ Spider...maybe we can swap notes in a month!


Okay _happydanc. Crocheting is fun, I love the chain stitch, lol. The rest I am still trying to figure out :)
I'll be getting all my NA medicine and Shaman (it's all NA based except for one Celtic one, but they call it Shamanism) books tomorrow from the library so any new Spider info there I'll post it.