i want to know

[aftermath]

ok im not sure if anyone else has ever done anything with this god im sure someone has but i tend to favor a god called bahamut i dont know if any of u belive in him i was just wondering and i was wondering wut all the gods and goddess are thanks

[RedRaven]

bahamut? sorry, not familiar with him. do you maybe mean baphemet?

[Agaliha]

There is actually something known as Bahamut


Bahamut (Arabic: بهموت Bahamūt) is originally an aquatic figure of Islamic mythology
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Bahamut is an enormous fish that resides in a vast sea. He supports a huge bull named Kujuta who has four thousand eyes, and the same number of ears, noses, mouths, tongues and feet. Between every one of each is a distance of five hundred year's journey. Kujuta supports on him a rock of ruby, which atop stands an angel who supports the seven earths.

Below the vast sea there is said to be a realm of air, below which there is a realm of fire. Beneath the fire lies a serpent called Falak who is so omnipotent that if it wasn't for fear of Allah, he would swallow all creation. Many variations exist on this, with some people speculating that the fire is a realm of darkness or a fathomless mist.
FROM: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bahamut (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bahamut)

But the article goes on to talk about Bahamut beging used in modern times with Final Fantasy and D&D.

So originaly Bahamut was not a God. I don't know anything about those fantasy/D&D things but I have an idea that they may have "turned" him into a God.


i was wondering wut all the gods and goddess are
Thats not really a question that can be answered. What Gods what Goddesses? What pantheon? There are a lot of Gods and Goddesses out there!
try: www.pantheon.org (www.pantheon.org)
Or go to Yahoo and type this "{insert desired pantheon-Celtic, Greek, Roman etc.} Gods and Goddesses"
You can do the same on MW with the search feature. If there is a God or Goddess you are interested in-- search first and see if there is any info.

[jodarius]

Bahamut is not only the giant fish, but in the worship of dragons Bahamut is the dragon god king of the good dragons. He is my deity.

[Agaliha]

Ok, I found some more things about Bahamut...this is what came up when I searched "Bahamut dragon worship"

This one is connected to some Fantasy gamer thing: http://www.dragoneers.com/classes/Dragoon.html (http://www.dragoneers.com/classes/Dragoon.html)

Same here...RuneQuest maybe?
http://talmeta.net/runequest/greyhawk/bahamut.html (http://talmeta.net/runequest/greyhawk/bahamut.html)

Same here...


Deities in Hellebore
Bahamut
The Platinum Dragon, King of the Good Dragons, Master of the North Wind
Rank: Lesser Deity Symbol: Star above a milky nebula
Alignment: Lawful Good Domains: Air, Good, Luck, Protection
Favored Weapon: Claw Portfolio: Good dragons, wind
Bahamut (Bah-hahm-ut) is revered in many locales. Though all good dragons pay homage to Bahamut, gold, silver, and brass dragons hold him in particularly high regard. Other dragons, even evil ones (except perhaps his archrival Tiamat), respect Bahamut for his wisdom and power.
In his natural form, Bahamut is a long, sinuous dragon covered in silver-white scales that sparkle and gleam even in the dimmest light. Bahamut's catlike eyes are deep blue, as azure as a mid-summer sky, some say. Others insist that Bahamut's eyes are a frosty indigo, like the heart of a glacier. Perhaps the two accounts merely reflect the Platinum Dragon's shifting moods.
Bahamut is stern and very disapproving of evil. He brooks no excuses for evil acts. In spite of this, he is among the most compassionate beings in the multiverse. He has limitless empathy for the downtrodden, the dispossessed, and the helpless. He urges his followers to promote the cause of good, but prefers to let beings fight their own battles when they can. To Bahamut, it is better to offer information, healing, or a (temporary) safe refuge rather then to take other's burdens upon oneself.
Bahamut is served by seven great gold wyrms that often accompany him or one of his avatars.
FROM: http://www.citrine.org/hellebore/Features/deities.asp (http://www.citrine.org/hellebore/Features/deities.asp)


From the "Legends of the Lost Dragons"...some game I think...
http://www32.brinkster.com/jasma/dragongods.html (http://www32.brinkster.com/jasma/dragongods.html)

...That's all that showed up...just RPGs and Gamer things :huh::huh::huh: :hmmmmm:
Now I am SO confused...I'll just be leaving now before I say something stupid ::tiptoes out::

[jodarius]

Yes Bahamut is used alot in games now, but there is some basis of him the ideas used. As stated he is the god king of good dragons, set opposite Tiamat, god mother of dragons, and ruler of evil dragons.

[Seshata]

Tiamat comes from Babylonian myths. She belongs to the Sea. She is both described as serpent-like and 'dragon'-like. Remember that dragons according to Babylonian mythos weren't quite as nowadays people would like to imagine. She features in the Enuma Elish the Epic of Creation. After a battle with Marduk she was defeated

"Her crushed skull heralded her death, and half of her body was used to roof up the sky. Her eyes became the sources of the Tigris and Euphrates rivers."

It does seem though, rather than anything it looks like you guys are following gaming d&D creations rather than the God/dess of the originating culture. I would be interested to know why? (curious :) )

The reason I ask is that, having friends who are gamers, they tell me about some of the games and they do have some with recognisable names but really odd descriptions..

BB

Seshata

[jodarius]

See that the problem, everyone instantly goes to the rp rules, Tiamat, the five headed dragon, mother of all creation, appears in more than one religion. As I have stated these name have come from someplace, the games got the ideas from somewhere. Tiamat has been described as the five headed dragon, it was her who gave birth to the dragons and it was through her the worlds were mad. This is not from any game. In the world there are good gods and there are evil. In norse mythos, loki is attributed as an eveil god while you have thor or vidarr as the side of good. you have the opposing Vishnu and Shiva.

[Seshata]

See that the problem, everyone instantly goes to the rp rules, Tiamat, the five headed dragon, mother of all creation, appears in more than one religion. As I have stated these name have come from someplace, the games got the ideas from somewhere. Tiamat has been described as the five headed dragon, it was her who gave birth to the dragons and it was through her the worlds were mad. This is not from any game. In the world there are good gods and there are evil. In norse mythos, loki is attributed as an eveil god while you have thor or vidarr as the side of good. you have the opposing Vishnu and Shiva.

Tiamat does not appear in more than one religion unless you are referring to archetypes of religion. Apart from Babylon the mother of creation hasn't got many heads or is dragon-like in the same way. The games got an idea but I don't think that the creator of them was looking for people to follow what they've written like that. Where is it written that through her the 'worlds were mad' ? I'd have to go back to the Enuma Elish to double check... I know that in that original Babylonian text it does go into her wishing to battle the other gods as a revenge thing.. Loki is not exactly attributed as an evil God. He is much more complex than that. Whilst not acting up and being tricksterish he does help gods achieve various things, in one case he helps Odin.

As to the relationship between Shiva and Vishnu - some deities can be initially viewed in a negative light unless you truely understand what they are there to teach. Shiva may be a destroyer but he is a creator too... Just like Mother Kali he can have a face/aspect that for many seems to be 'evil' but that isn't it, it's just possibly harder to understand. Shiva and Vishnu are a triad with Brahma.. But I shall leave this to someone who follows a purely Indian/Hindu influenced path.

BB

Seshata

[ShadowcatX]

See that the problem, everyone instantly goes to the rp rules, Tiamat, the five headed dragon, mother of all creation, appears in more than one religion. As I have stated these name have come from someplace, the games got the ideas from somewhere. Tiamat has been described as the five headed dragon, it was her who gave birth to the dragons and it was through her the worlds were mad. This is not from any game.

Actually, I'm pretty sure that's exceptionally close to a quote from Dragon Lance as that's almost verbatim as to how Dragon Lance was explained to me. (Dragon Lance being the third most successful D&D game behind Grey Hawk and Forgotten Realms.) Of course if it's from somewhere else, I don't know.

Oh, and in the game the heads are Red, White, Black, Blue, and I want to say Yellow. She has 5 heads because there are 5 types of evil dragons (each corrosponding to a color). She is opposed by the King of Dragons, the Platinum Dragon, He who fathered all good dragons, etc. etc. etc. (who in that isn't named Bahumet, but in Plane Scape one of his names is Bahumet, she remains Tiamat.)

[ancestral_lee]

id wholeheartedly agree with Seshata here... you view of the gods as 'good' and 'evil' is a little simplistic.

iff you read the norse myths for instance Loki does take part in ragnarok on the side of the giants, but earlier he helps the god in many ways (helping trick the giant into building the walls of Asgard, getting gifts from the dwarves, helping thor retrieve mjollnir and of course giving Sleipnir to odin. he isnt evil, he is chaotic he brings change, change is neither good or evil - it just is.

as for tiamat - youve image of tiamat is lifted direct from Dungeons and dragons - the cartoon from back in the 80's had a 5 headed dragon called tiamat. the babylonian depictions of her werent at all like that.

it makes me wonder whether you have made the same mistake with the dragon God fella too, seeing as a previous poster names him a a giant mythological fish type hting then think you might have done so - though if yu are aware of that and dont mind then thats ok !

lee

[ancestral_lee]

after a little googling - the ide of him being a dragon god - and having the appearance of a dragon - all seem to be based upon FF depictions (he is a good guy to have on your side in ff8), the mythological depictions dont fit this mould at all.

i think that in both cases you have mixed up D&D with mythology.

[aluokaloo]

I don't know about Bahaumut, but Tiamat is the Great Babylonian Mother Goddess, depicted as a great dragon, in addition to being a creator Goddess, She is also a Goddess of salt water, She refused to take part in the slaying of her children at first, but went mad with grief after Her husband was killed, and declared war on her children then to avenge Her spouse, thus She also became associated with desrtuction, which makes sense since creator deities are associated with both, after being killed by marduk, Her body was used to create the world. At any rate, perhaps you should check out a little bit more on Bahaumut, and middle eastern mythology, I'm not saying He isn't a real God, not at all, but that would be my advive so you can learn more about Him. Good luck on your search.

[Agaliha]

I was going to post more last night, but after I found out all references to Bahamat and "dragon worship" were in Fantasy RPGs...I thought it was best not to....as I would probaby say something stupid or offensive...
But now that others have raised questions I'm, not worried.


It does seem though, rather than anything it looks like you guys are following gaming d&D creations rather than the God/dess of the originating culture. I would be interested to know why?
I am curious as well.

Also I agree with what everyone was saying about Tiamat.


As to the relationship between Shiva and Vishnu - some deities can be initially viewed in a negative light unless you truely understand what they are there to teach.

Totally. Many Gods and Goddesses can appear dark, yet they aren't evil. Kali is a liberator, she provides the death to allow for creation, for life. She liberates the soul among other things. Though she is dark, she is not evil. Same for Shiva. He is the "destroyer" but you have to understand in Hindu ideas-- death is not the end (hence reincarnation) and it is part of life. Shiva is an aspect of the main Source "Brahman" - Shiva destroys to create. Look at autumn and winter-- things die and become barren yet without that death there would be on new life in the spring. Is Autumn and Winter evil then?? No! There is a lot more to the Hindu ideas than this...it's WAY deeper and complicated....