Is this the end time

[RavenMoonshadow]

well here we go folks, end of the world. Natural disasters are increasing, rising gas prices will spark anarcy. and to top it all off the daily 3 number in michigan as of the date of this post was 666. any one else notice any signs that these are indeed the final nights. 2012 baby here we come

[Shanti]

Nope we dont get off that easy. Life goes on.

[LadySnake]

I agree with Shanti. It's not over yet.

[Aidron]

well here we go folks, end of the world. Natural disasters are increasing, rising gas prices will spark anarcy. and to top it all off the daily 3 number in michigan as of the date of this post was 666. any one else notice any signs that these are indeed the final nights. 2012 baby here we come


So, a few natural disasters happen and some professed evil numbers arise in what I assume is a type of lottery and you are ready to believe it is the end of the world? Pardon me if I scoff at you. :rolleyes:

Natural disasters have been occuring since before we inhabited this planet. Our world is a very hostile enviroment, despite what people wish to believe. I can gurantee you that there will be at least three more big natural disasters between now and 2020, but it's not because the world is ending-it's because it is continuing to exist. Boo-hoo.

[Flar's Freyja]

Flar's mom and I just had a long phone conversation about how we both feel we are reaping the consequences of what we have done to the earth. We have been destructive pigs, from polluting the environment to drilling Her core and ocean floors.

The earth and environment are a system. One change in any part of the system affects the entire system. It may not be seen immediately - some of the effects may be slow, taking 50 or 100 or more years to manifest.

I read somewhere that one group has said that "the earth is crying."

[LadyCelt]

why do you say 2012?

Is it the Bible Code thing or the Mayan or Aztec Calender (dont remember which said it)?

I feel it is possible. Even if not the end of the world, I predict more natural disaster,s chaos, riots, anarchy, and violence and evil. But, the
"false peace" with my faith has been signed between Isreal and Palestine this year.

Also, I think either the Mayan or Aztec calendar predicts things being under water, including us lucky Michiganders :(

I htink parts down south were predicted too, and we are seein it in Louisiana.


What are the signs with the end of the world in Pagansim? I forget what its called but I think it is the battles with the Gods. I have talked to a Muslim (to get perspective from one of another faith) who says he sees signs. There are people who also say we are in the end. But, it is also possible there were times in the past people felt this way too.

But, "end" or not, mother nature is sure a brewin somethin Not to sound crazy but I feel and hear it in the wind at night lately. Somethin about how the birds chirp is differnet and my cat has been actin different too. I htink animals can predict weather or see it comin more than we do.

[Shanti]

Things like this have been happening before humans even walked the planet.

People, we are not being punished by the earth nor anything else.
Actually, the habitable area of this planet is very small.

No matter what we do we will not hurt the planet...we hurt ourselves. The planet isnt hostile to us. We are fleas.

The planet is a giant toxic ball by its very design.
Take a look inside her!

This disaster is a normal part of living in this small inhabitable place on a large planet thats dangerous.

Heck, be glad we werent around when the air was toxic and she was poison to life!! Her beginnings were violent and deadly.
Most of her existence has been in a state unsuitable to higher life forms.
We are only a short wave in her timespan.

[RedRaven]

I dont believe that the end of the world is coming. I think that what we are dealing with now with natual disasters is kind of like how our bodies fight off infections, a cleansing process.

and about the whole 2012 deal, im more optimistic that if anything happens at all we will be dealing with evolution of consciousness, not death and destruction.

RR

[Jenett]

I went to a class on the Mayan system stuff over the summer. I haven't done a lot of research on my own yet, but one of the things they said is that there are day and night cycles, leading up to 2011 or 2012 (depending on where you started counting from) when a whole bunch of cycles come to an end at the same time. Cycles last different lengths of time - a matter of a hundred days or so, to the better part of a year, to decades, to centuries.

We're coming to the end of a significant night cycle (which runs something like just under a year if I remember right) and according to a number of views, we're going to get a bunch of this back and forth "stuff picks up for a while, then there's a major disaster or series of problems" sort of thing.

I'm not convinced by the whole thing, but taking some precautions (disaster evacuation plan, advacne planning, etc.) still isn't a bad idea.

[RavenMoonshadow]

So, a few natural disasters happen and some professed evil numbers arise in what I assume is a type of lottery and you are ready to believe it is the end of the world? Pardon me if I scoff at you. :rolleyes:

Natural disasters have been occuring since before we inhabited this planet. Our world is a very hostile enviroment, despite what people wish to believe. I can gurantee you that there will be at least three more big natural disasters between now and 2020, but it's not because the world is ending-it's because it is continuing to exist. Boo-hoo.


Acully buddy it was joke, no need to be rude i mean how many times dose that nuber come up. So grow up.

[taijiya]

It's not over 'til it's over...

Always there is flux; always, the balance shifts. Our choices, collectively and individually, are a part of that.

We see the shifts, now, feel our foundations crumbling and all around us in chaos. What we choose now, collectively and individually, will play a part in determining what happens next.

The universe seeks balance; no matter how wildly the pendulum swings, it will eventually come to rest, the still point at the centre. Call it balance, call it the tao, call it Ma'at, call it what you will--it's there, and it will find a way. So will we, collectively, and individually.

:::wanders off singing:::



~*~taijiya~*~

[stella01904]

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BB, Stella

[aluokaloo]

I do believe that we hurt the earth and ourselves, i also believe that if any creature deserves divine wrath it is us. Do i believe it is the end of the world? No, not really. When the so-called apocalypse comes, it will be the extinction of the creatures that live on this plant, after we are gone life will be begin anew, with new animals, plants, and different eco systems. Life always does.

[cheddarsox]

Every day is the "end time" for someone or some group of someones. And for them it is deadly serious, pun intended. I think it is good for us to keep this in mind, that for some this IS it, and give them some space and respect, as we hope to have when our own end time comes.

It may come as death, catastrophic illness, the loss of inocence or trust, the loss of that which we hold most dear, or a number of other forms. But it is real, catastrophic and soul changing.

I don't expect that the end will come for all of us at once.

cheddar

[Aidron]

Acully buddy it was joke, no need to be rude i mean how many times dose that nuber come up. So grow up.


Grow up? You're posting threads about the end of the world. Ahem... :rolleyes:

[innocent]

I'm sorry but whenever I hear "the end of the world:2012" All I can think about is the X-files because that's when the alien invasion will take place and the world as we know it will end. Yea.... sorry. X-Philer here.

[RavenMoonshadow]

Grow up? You're posting threads about the end of the world. Ahem... :rolleyes:

What part of joke dont you understand. I thought it would be an interesting topic also. So really if you dont have anything constructive to contribute then dont contribute anything.

I do find it kinda cool though that in 2012 the earth is going to have 7 close encounters with astroids

if you can understand the science jargin here is a list of all Potentially hazardous astroids

http://cfa-www.harvard.edu/iau/lists/PHACloseApp.html (http://cfa-www.harvard.edu/iau/lists/PHACloseApp.html)

[Dusk]

So, a few natural disasters happen and some professed evil numbers arise in what I assume is a type of lottery and you are ready to believe it is the end of the world? Pardon me if I scoff at you. :rolleyes:

Natural disasters have been occuring since before we inhabited this planet. Our world is a very hostile enviroment, despite what people wish to believe. I can gurantee you that there will be at least three more big natural disasters between now and 2020, but it's not because the world is ending-it's because it is continuing to exist. Boo-hoo.

I agree.

[Ninjakitten]

Heh. Well, the end times have been predicted and talked about since, well, since we started talking. One of these days, we'll be right :hahugh:

[LadyCelt]

In regaurds to the asteroids,

I have heard/read that it is predicted we will have close encounters of meteors or asteroids and they are currently working on ways to solve this. I hope they do. Interesting with the movie Armegeddon thoguh. Wonder if the peopel behind it knew it oculd come true.

[PoisonIvy]

In the infamous words of Scarlett O'Hara.......I'll think about that tomorrow!

I'll live today and worry about it when it happens and not before!

[leo482]

i read somewhere that 2012 is the beggining of the new aquarian age or something.And christianity would not be the dominant religion, that is why they view it as the end.And it also does not make sense that the world is going to end if you beleive in the indigo and crystal children

[Calen]

Sometimes it might feel like disasters are occurring more often, but that idea is a symptom of me being a short-sighted human. The world has always been flooding, exploding and changing in a thousand little ways.

[Moonlite Faery]

I do not believe this is then end, I would agree with some of you who say that it is a reslut of our mistreatment of the earth. But it is also the way Mother Earth functions. After a great fire, rebirth may begin, and the earth is more healthy than it was before the fire, it just takes it a while longer before it can start over. We do hurt the Earth, but she knows how to heal herself, even though it may make us uncomfortable or even hurt.

[acorn elf]

OK QUESTION-- why do people care? If you can't stop the end of the world from coming, why worry yourself about it? Darned morbid, I say.

[Silvan]

It ain't over 'til the last fat lady stops singing.

Having said that, I'm beginning to wonder how much longer the USA can hold itself together. We really do look a lot like the Roman Republic just before it became the Roman Empire.

[enchancea]

Nope, bad things have been happening for a very long time and we will continue and move like we always have.

[WAHM-Brenda]

Flar's Freyja... I totally agree with you! Mother Earth IS crying! We have been (and continue to be) destructive pigs. It's such a shame what we do and then we wonder why natural disasters are happening C'mon people! I mean DUH We're reaping what we sew - Whether we call it karma or something else, here it is...

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[PropheticMonkey]

In 2012, the Nefilim will return and claim what was once wholly theirs. They will teear apart the fabric of civillization that we have built using our own filth and restore to the times when those who were cast down walked the earth.

The planet Eridu (aincent name) passes through our solar system every 3600 years. This is the planet of the Nefilim and its from there that all the aincent cultures come from. HAving them come back is not exactly the end of the world, just the end of us misusing and abusing it. Im looking forward to 2012 i dont know about anyone else

This was all in aincent Sumerian texts, even though it sounds a bit farfetched hehe

[RavenMoonshadow]

well 2112 may not be the end or it may be and if it is I will sit on my porch with Guiness in hand and watch it come

[Meadhbh]

Well its bond to happen sooner or later, and when does theres very little we can do about it. Although it would interesting to see how the whole thing plays out. There are all these theory's on how it will happen and it can only end once this time around.

[Darque]

Everyone has an opinion about what is happening. I personally believe there is evidence that there will be mass global destruction, and I have researched many theories and associated them with what is happening on a global and universal scale. Never the less I don't think it is going to be the end, perhaps the end of the world as we know it. Overall we as a species have become ignorant and aggrogant, somehow we believe we are indestructable and safe. It is in due course that we will have all we have known wiped out from under us, our way of life. Just the way it has happened many times before, the earth has a way of cleansing itself. We generally have not been abiding by the laws of the universe, so therefore we will be forced to rebuild, and perhaps then we will learn from our past. A valuable lesson for those willing to learn from it : )

[LadyCelt]

I feel the world may restart. God said he'd never wipe people out again by flood, but he never said not by cold or heat or fire or other things either. I feel Jesus may have been coming many times or will come many times again and people like Einsteen and Franklin and Socrates may do the same, maybe another location and another gender but you get the idea. I feel it is possible technology existed before, espeicaly in ancient Egypt.

I also feel mankind destroys itself iwth our needless hate and greed and hurry to go nowhere too fast (and I was one of all three before.)

[Penthesilea]

Whatever happens, happens. I put my faith in the Gods -- and good disaster planning!

[AlAskendir]

well here we go folks, end of the world. Natural disasters are increasing, rising gas prices will spark anarcy. and to top it all off the daily 3 number in michigan as of the date of this post was 666. any one else notice any signs that these are indeed the final nights. 2012 baby here we come

There's an end time? Oh, you mean the Christians are all leaving for a while...they've been promising that forever, I ain't gonna hold my breath!

[Darkwater Stone]

There's an end time? Oh, you mean the Christians are all leaving for a while...they've been promising that forever, I ain't gonna hold my breath!

Oh now now.....Remember our lovely christians here on MW!!!! They can stick around for a while...... I suppose _happydanc
lol

[taki yume]

Personally I think that the natural disasters are happening more and such because humanity has been so cruel to nature.

It's kind of weird, but i've always thought that the Earth is just as intelligent as humans, and has a heart and soul just as we do. After a few centuries of abuse, who WOULDN'T strike back? An eye for an eye and all that jazz...

All of this is a result of us destroying the world we live in. If we took better care of the planet, maybe s/he wouldn't be so bent on having all these disasters hit places it hurts the most.

[Incendia]

Meh...this is just another cycle that nature is going through, which has been happening forever. Global warming probably is making it worse though.
This article explains it: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5931596/ (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5931596/)

[Anyanka]

This isn't exactly off topic but i'm just wondering, what is the significance of 2012? Is that suppose to signify the end of the world? Or the end of the world as we know it? Why does there have to be a 2 in the number? The year 2000 was suppose to mean the end of the world...but look we're still here! Sorry for rambling...I'll go and look it up myself!

[Rudas Starblaze]

well here we go folks, end of the world. Natural disasters are increasing, rising gas prices will spark anarcy. and to top it all off the daily 3 number in michigan as of the date of this post was 666. any one else notice any signs that these are indeed the final nights. 2012 baby here we come

oh i certainly hope so. _happydanc

[Silvan]

Personally I think that the natural disasters are happening more and such because humanity has been so cruel to nature.We are nature. It took me a long time to come to terms with that myself, but it's true. It's nice to think of "nature" as some happy, green wonderland "out there" somewhere, beyond the realm of humankind, but it isn't. Nature is a 12-lane superhighway smack through the middle of the last known habitat of the bloofunated diddlebill. Nature is a mighty oak smothered to death with kudzu. Nature is a comet, asteroid, whatever, crashing into the planet and completely obliterating kudzu, the diddlebill, and most of the extant forms of life on the planet. Nature is all of these things in addition to a happy green wonderland. I like it better when our kind hasn't left its mark all over everything too, but that's because the things we build are uglier to my eye than what the other creatures on this planet come up with when we don't interfere.
It's kind of weird, but i've always thought that the Earth is just as intelligent as humans, and has a heart and soul just as we do. After a few centuries of abuse, who WOULDN'T strike back? An eye for an eye and all that jazz...I feel the same way, after a fashion, but frankly, I think if there was ever going to have been a time for such reckoning, it would have come and gone already. Global warming in of itself is pretty trivial compared what we in America did to our forests not that long ago.

I was never even aware of this for years, because the world has always been a canvas of trees dotted with outcroppings of civilization. I never really thought to wonder why all of the trees everywhere were so small. As much as I love the forest, I have no idea what a real forest looks like. I've never been in one. They've all been gone from here for ages, and what we have now is the best these creatures could come up with in a paltry 75 or so years of being left to recover from the ministrations of our species.

Apparently, damn near every single tree on every hillside and in every vale was cut to the ground in these parts in the '30s, to feed the fires of the mining industry, primarily. I had no idea, but it does explain why all trees everywhere are of a similar size, and they're all smallish.

In search of some links to highlight my point, I turned up this bit:

http://www.fs.fed.us/r8/gwj/cultural/ (http://www.fs.fed.us/r8/gwj/cultural/)


In the 1820's the combination of iron and trees to feed the iron furnaces made mining a profitable venture in many areas near the Shenandoah Valley. These companies brought devastation to the land. Repeated cuttings cleared the mountains, erosion caused streams to become clogged with silt and floods came more frequently and with greater damage. Perhaps the most insidious effect of industry was wildfire, which burned repeatedly over the mountains. Miners, timber operators and hunters pushed animal species like elk, white tailed deer and wild turkey to the brink of extinction.

That was nearly 200 years ago, and these stories I hear from local foresters about the 1930s seem to indicate we must have done it all again in the interim. Once I found that bit there, I stopped my search for corroboration of the anecdotal evidence I have making the case for our having ravaged everything in the early part of the 20th century too. Until just then, I actually had no idea that such widespread destruction took place that long ago. It's amazing to me, rabid treelover that I am, that I was basically ignorant of all of this for so long. That's just what trees have always looked like to me. I had some vague idea that there used to be some "logging" hereabouts, but I had no idea of the scale.

It's not just this continent, or this timeframe either. A related snippet comes from "The Medieval Machine: The Industrial Revolution of the Middle Ages" (© 1976 by Jean Gimpel, reprinted in 2003 by Barnes & Noble Books, pp. 75-76)


The industrialization of the Middle Ages played havoc with the environment of western Europe. Millions of acres of forests were destroyed to increase the area of arabale and grazing land and to satisfy the ever greater demand for timber.... By 1300, forests in France covered only about 32 million acres--2 million acres less than they do today.

The book goes on to talk about the difficulties faced when they ran out of trees big enough to provide 35'-beams for the repair of old buildings. It talks about environmental pollution, water contamination, and so forth. I remind you that this was in the 1300s.

This Medieval Machine book is a really interesting read, and I highly recommend it to anyone as a source of perspective on "destroying the planet." We've been destroying things for a lot longer than the past 200 years. The first industrial revolution was water-powered, and it happened during a time period that a lot of people seem to find idyllic and halcyon (not the latter half of the 14th century, mind you, but this water revolution was going full tilt long before the Black Death.) We used up all the big trees, so we had to come up with new methods. We're going to use up all the oil, sooner, rather than later, I feel, and then we're going to have to come up with new methods for that too. Our history is a continuous cycle of using something until it's gone, and then finding some other way to get there. We seem to be like locusts, but very clever ones.

Our species has been hell bent on transforming this place for as long as we've existed. It's what we do. It's what a great many other species do too, to a greater or lesser extent. Anthills and skyscrapers are both manifestations of the same biological drive. I kind of think the way we do things sucks, but then I'm alive to have an opinion on it, sitting in a climate-controlled house, using a computer built out of gods-know what horrible poisonous chemicals to opine on the whole thing. It's just not that simple of a question. It's not as simple as we've pissed off Mom, and now she's angry, so she decided to nuke New Orleans to teach us a lesson.

What about the dinosaurs? Mom could indeed hurl a storm at us, I suppose, because she is the land, the sea, and the sky, but I don't think even the combined power of all the life forces on this planet could change the orbit of whatever gigantic, far-off something smashed into us to bring about their extinction. (I realize that the dinosaur killing asteroid is only a hypothesis too, mind you, and we don't really know with 100% certainty what actually happened. Even if that isn't what happened, it could have, and still could. Everything we cherish could be gone tomorrow when the Big One hits, and I don't think Mom has any say so in the matter. The cosmos is much larger than just this one little piddly rock in this one piddly little tiny galaxy. There's no telling what's heading right for us. It could have happened 500 quadrillion years ago, and we won't know about it until tomorrow.)

Finally, with respect to global warming, I believe it's real, and I believe we have played a strong role in bringing it about. However, we have also acted in other ways to curb the amount of carbon going into the atmosphere. I have no idea how it balances out on the scales, but I do know that we put out forests fires, we don't let the great plains burn to the ground every year. For all the senseless destruction we wreak upon this lovely rock, Mom has her own ways. Think about the forest fires that used to burn unchecked every year, with no way whatsoever to control them. Lightning strikes, things catch on fire, and they burn. That still happens, but much less so than used to be the case historically. As for other sources of pollution, the planet herself puts out plenty of noxious gasses in the form of volcanic eruptions. When Krakatoa blew, it turned sunsets red on the entire planet for a very long time. I don't know how much carbon dioxide is put out by all the volcanic activity on the planet, but it can't be discredited. Does everyone driving a fuel-inefficient car to work 50 miles in both directions twice a day help? Does it help that people will actually start and stop their cars five times to visit five stores in the same strip mall complex? Certainly not, and I would not argue otherwise. I merely point out that we are not the only actors here, and not everything we have done is detrimental.

In fact, the more I study how things used to be, the more I'm convinced that this is actually a pretty good time to be alive, in the scheme of things. You'd have to go back a long, long way to find a cleaner environment than the one we have today. We have cleaned up a lot of industrial pollution, we have seriously curbed noxious emissions from powerplants and the like. The world is no longer filled with coal soot, we no longer make a habit of dumping raw sewage or industrial waste products directly into streams. These solutions aren't perfect, no, and there are lots of people cheating. I would also argue that several moves made by the Bush administration are a move in the wrong direction here, toward darker days of yore. Even so, on balance, I don't know anyone over the age of 70 who doesn't think the world is a much cleaner, greener, more pleasant place to live today.

[LadyCelt]

I think the earth and nature and the universe and all thigns like that and the leements and forces and energies and many things are smarter than people.


I htink most animals are when you compare the size of their brain to ours and other things. Cats and wolves and foxes and snakes are very intelligent animals to me. Flowers are intelligent how they litearlly drink up the water and grow and bloom. How trees turn colors and blow away is good too. Shoot, I should add this to my animism post lol.

[WAHM-Brenda]

It's kind of weird, but i've always thought that the Earth is just as intelligent as humans, and has a heart and soul just as we do. After a few centuries of abuse, who WOULDN'T strike back? An eye for an eye and all that jazz...

All of this is a result of us destroying the world we live in. If we took better care of the planet, maybe s/he wouldn't be so bent on having all these disasters hit places it hurts the most.

It's not weird... I actually agree with you! Mother Earth has a spirit and many things that She wishes to share with those who'd listen. Since we're not willing to listen she's raising her voice and her "temper" trying to get our attention.

As for the end of the world... Wasn't that suppose to happen in 2000?

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[LadyCelt]

I think y2k in 2000 was just technologty and computers but not totally end of life

[Malcolm]

well 2112 may not be the end or it may be and if it is I will sit on my porch with Guiness in hand and watch it come

Nah, CNN will have much better coverage. The end of the world in High Definition...BYOB.

Seriously though, would it really be that bad if it was the end?

[Darkdale]

There is no scientific evidence that there are any more natural disasters now than at any other time in history.

[Ninjakitten]

There is no scientific evidence that there are any more natural disasters now than at any other time in history.


Oh, sure. If you want to go with logic and science on this (says the Zoologist/Biologist) :kooky:

[RavenMoonshadow]

Oh, sure. If you want to go with logic and science on this (says the Zoologist/Biologist) :kooky:
yeah that sience stuff is no fun and just full of Hocus pocus and mumbo jumbo

Who needs science anyway.

[Ninjakitten]

yeah that sience stuff is no fun and just full of Hocus pocus and mumbo jumbo

Who needs science anyway.


Someone with a really good imagination doesn't need science, but when he needs answers he makes up a religion. I'll pretend that made sense :p

[Karma Chameleon]

Time won't ever end.

[RavenMoonshadow]

but we might

[AlAskendir]

Personally I think that the natural disasters are happening more and such because humanity has been so cruel to nature.

It's kind of weird, but i've always thought that the Earth is just as intelligent as humans, and has a heart and soul just as we do. After a few centuries of abuse, who WOULDN'T strike back? An eye for an eye and all that jazz...

All of this is a result of us destroying the world we live in. If we took better care of the planet, maybe s/he wouldn't be so bent on having all these disasters hit places it hurts the most.

I agree that She lives, and probably has way more soul than we do....but the question really is where is the center of Her conscioousness? Is it up here, at the surface - - -is She like a person who thinks and feels with his skin? Or is it near Her physical center, like a person who thinks with an organ protected by skin and bone, feels with that which is nearest his physical center? Is She the planet? Or is She the way life occurs and interacts on the planet? Is She Gaia or Nature?

The next question then is do you really think that mankind, whose greatest destructive acheivement, the nuclear weapon, is less effective than only one volcanic eruption, and whose greatest creative acheivement, the Pyramids at Giza, mimic the thousands of mountains She has made and is continuing to make even now, do you really think that anything mankind does can have any immediate or lasting effect on her?

Not only are there decade-cycles and century-cycles going on, there are milennia-cycles and eon-cycles going on that we just can't know about.

Only one other city in the brief history of civilization was build near the sea and below sea level, Venice, and it is famous for attempting to survive its inundation!

These are not global warming consequences, these are river-system misunderstanding consequences! No operation of man that attempts to keep the Mississippi River from meandering is going to work, and no attempt to make it work is going to be experienced without some amazingly devastating consequences. It takes no special intervention by either Nature or Gaia to create this catastrophe, it was summoned by those whose ego and hubris made them believe that some concrete can stop water being propelled by thousands of miles of mountainsides!

IMNSHO!

[AlAskendir]

In 2012, the Nefilim will return and claim what was once wholly theirs. They will teear apart the fabric of civillization that we have built using our own filth and restore to the times when those who were cast down walked the earth.

The planet Eridu (aincent name) passes through our solar system every 3600 years. This is the planet of the Nefilim and its from there that all the aincent cultures come from. HAving them come back is not exactly the end of the world, just the end of us misusing and abusing it. Im looking forward to 2012 i dont know about anyone else

This was all in aincent Sumerian texts, even though it sounds a bit farfetched hehe

I agree that they might be coming (although according to their own timing, our ability to see their planet almost as a second sun in our sky, which is supposed to last for 150 years on either side of their nearness to us, is late), but classically all they wanted was gold, which we have obediently gathered in certain areas (Fort Knox, Swiss Banks, etc), and actually don't even use all that much ourselves anymore. What makes you think that they will care how the cattle are playing in the fields?

[Karma Chameleon]

but we might

Well, yes 99 % of all species on earth have become extinct. But this thread was entitled "Is this the end of time"? ;)

[Astara Seague]

I think times are rough.. and yes if you read the king james version of the bible it does sound like the end of the world...but do you really beleive that????? :hairraise

[stella01904]

MM ~ Didn't Joseph Campbell say it was all metaphor? The end of the world is always happening. So is Creation. BB, Stella