Levee s Deliberately Destroyed?

[BeachWitch]

Ok ok, I know this is conspiracy theory stuff, but you guys are pretty good at sniffing this stuff out, and no one has posted about it. So, I'm posting it here to let you guys (and you know who you are) tear it apart so I can relax. I have been very upset all day over this, I heard it on the way to work on air america, the stephanie miller show.

So have at it.... calm my fears that we are under some sort of attack. After the power outage today and being evacuated from the Financial District, my nerves are shot.
(and we are supposed to believe that the LAPB went on "tactical alert" due to a human error...... sure, it was a cut cable.... that's why the Financial District was evacuated.. uh huh, sure, gotchya)


http://www.godlikeproductions.com/news/item.php?keyid=8932&page=1&PHPSESSID=599ce665ba08350c222c046fe02be7d2 (http://www.godlikeproductions.com/news/item.php?keyid=8932&page=1&PHPSESSID=599ce665ba08350c222c046fe02be7d2)

http://www.halturnershow.com/DiversFindExplosiveResidueOnRupturedLevy.html (http://www.halturnershow.com/DiversFindExplosiveResidueOnRupturedLevy.html)

[PaganLibrarian]

The LAPD going on tactical alert for a widespread power outage is perfectly reasonable. It is also perfectly reasonable that it turned out to be a human error, caused by a construction worker cutting a main power cable with his backhoe. Would you rather have the LAPD go on alert for no reason, or have them sit around at the doughnut shop after some terrorist blows up a substation?

BTW - tactical alert just means that no one gets to go home for the day until they figure out what's going on.

[LacyRoze]

Interesting. I hadn't heard that. I had however heard that a refugee said he saw grain barges break loose and slam into the levee causing the breaks..:hmmmmm:

[BeachWitch]

Ok, I know you are trying to be reasonable, but having just walked down 15 flights of stairs smelling diesel fumes from the power generators, then fighting my way out of Downtown to get to the freeway and finally getting home to find that Long Beach has a major fire and streets (an access street to MY street) is blocked...

you can imagine that I'm not exactly rational.

But hey, thanks for posting about the news stories on the levees!

[BeachWitch]

Interesting. I hadn't heard that. I had however heard that a refugee said he saw grain barges break loose and slam into the levee causing the breaks..:hmmmmm:

I heard that one too...... but a barge slamming into the levees would not leave explosive residue.... I hope this turns out to be conspiracy theory crazies on the loose

[PaganLibrarian]

It's conspiracy theorists on the loose...

If someone detonated an explosive on the wall, any residue, or burn marks would be erased by the rushing water through the breech. If not then, they would have been degraded so far by the polluted water that any accurate analyses would be impossible.

[Gracecat]

If it were true, the major news broadcasters would have picked it up.

[AmericanMe]

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[BeachWitch]

Thank you PL! Now, a little rum & diet would be good, I hear it calms frazzled nerves quite effectively! *wink*


If it were true, the major news broadcasters would have picked it up.
I don't know if I agree with that. I mean, they are totally controlled, the major broadcasters. Everything is censored. I am still waiting to hear about something else I heard on Air America, actually... I didn't hear it, my mom did. But there have been no reports and I found the info on a strange small town newspaper online. But after 4 days, still nothing in the major news outlets. (Fox did report that Bush was employing "New Deal" legislation, which is close but still not reporting the whole issue)

I just think we are told what the government wants us to hear, and not told the truth about anything.

But that's just me talking while trapped between the 11th and 10th floors getting high on diesel fumes! *wink*

[Aquarian_Moon]

Sounds like a lie.... feels like a lie... well, either that or the people who wrote about it didn't believe it to be true.

[Isil Darkmoon]

Ok ok, I know this is conspiracy theory stuff, but you guys are pretty good at sniffing this stuff out, and no one has posted about it. So, I'm posting it here to let you guys (and you know who you are) tear it apart so I can relax. I have been very upset all day over this, I heard it on the way to work on air america, the stephanie miller show.

So have at it.... calm my fears that we are under some sort of attack. After the power outage today and being evacuated from the Financial District, my nerves are shot.
(and we are supposed to believe that the LAPB went on "tactical alert" due to a human error...... sure, it was a cut cable.... that's why the Financial District was evacuated.. uh huh, sure, gotchya)


http://www.godlikeproductions.com/news/item.php?keyid=8932&page=1&PHPSESSID=599ce665ba08350c222c046fe02be7d2 (http://www.godlikeproductions.com/news/item.php?keyid=8932&page=1&PHPSESSID=599ce665ba08350c222c046fe02be7d2)

http://www.halturnershow.com/DiversFindExplosiveResidueOnRupturedLevy.html (http://www.halturnershow.com/DiversFindExplosiveResidueOnRupturedLevy.html)

Now, this got started from two places: some residents of NOLA who reported hearing a really loud noise right before the water rushed in that sounded like an explosion, then professional conspiricy theorists rushed in to flesh the story out. (I myself would suspect the sound could be attributed to the *smashing* of solid concrete by extremely high-force water, but I don't know scientifically for sure.)

Only places I've heard these stories with any more detail than "I heard a reallyh loud noise" can be traced directly back to places that are also insisting the Olkahoma City bombing and 9/11 were also blown, on purpose, with shaped charges, *by the U.S. Government*, and the truck, planes, and barge in turn were just "coverup" events to trick the public.

The theory starts on sites like that, then gets passed along, and along, usually with the original source lost, until it ends up in some form of less-reliable media, at which point it triggers panic and worry among the listeners/readers until it can be debunked.

I don't have *conclusive* proof to offer you, but considering the origins all also think 9/11 and Oklahoma were intentional, by the government, I'm not at all inclined to beleive it. :eyebrow:

[Laisrean]

We shouldn't blindly believe in conspiracy theories, but we shouldn't blindly reject them either. I believe in some conspiracies, but not all. You should examine them carefully and decide for yourself what to believe on a case by case basis.

That's just my 2 cents...

[AmericanMe]

There is something to be said for Ockham's Razor here. But I guess the simple fact that the force of the surge broke the levy is too complex for some people.

[Shanti]

In my opinion, if this was true...we would be the last to know. We would find out in like 50 or so years on some movie. Or we would find out this way and no one would believe it anyway!!

Sorry but the gov lies and covers up crap all the time...look at history.

I dont give to spits in the wind care for any of it. If it involves the gov, its prob crooked.

I was surprised by 'several levees' breaking, in differant locations in N.O.!!! But hey...wait for the movie in 50 plus years!

[Isil Darkmoon]

We shouldn't blindly believe in conspiracy theories, but we shouldn't blindly reject them either. I believe in some conspiracies, but not all. You should examine them carefully and decide for yourself what to believe on a case by case basis.

That's just my 2 cents...

While that's true, and some do have merit, I personally have trouble with this one because it *doesn't* stand alone. It's being attributed by these folks as a part of a much larger scheme--all by the government, pulled off in the same method--and with things like this, the more pieces get bundled onto a single conglomerate, the harder it is to keep all the pieces straight and sound. What might be substantial evidence for a single occourence very rarely holds up when applied to 3 or 4 "nearly identical" instances.

[Gracecat]

Some people believe the government created a hoax about landing on the moon.

Others are positive they host alien lifeforms underneath a bunker in New Mexico.

Personally I don't believe they use Hollywood as their confessional.

[pawnman]

I'd say it's a hoax. Look at the facts: everyone, and I mean EVERYONE, knew these levies would breach under a category 3 hurricane. NOLA was hit with a category 5. Of course the levies didn't hold. National Geographic, the New Orleans Times-Picayune, CNN, FOX, and the Army Corps of Engineers all told us that the levies would break if hit by a category 3 storm.

Is it possible that the "explosive residue" is left behind from the deliberate breaches that were cut AFTER the flooding to help drain the water?

[SoulHealer]

It was on the news here that there were plans to blow up parts of the levees. But not to cause the flood but to help the draining.

I don't know if they did ever blast holes in it to drain it -but it may explain reports of explosives being found

[Valnorran]

I've yet to see a conspiracy theory prove true. The levees were designed to handle cat. 3 storms. They got hit with a cat.4 bordering on cat.5. Simple. And this is not the first time N.O. has been flooded by a hurricane. Instead of looking for shadowy conspirators hiding under the bed, perhaps we should look for all that money sent here to improve the levees that never went to improving the levees.

[DragonsChest]

I've yet to see a conspiracy theory prove true. The levees were designed to handle cat. 3 storms. They got hit with a cat.4 bordering on cat.5. Simple. And this is not the first time N.O. has been flooded by a hurricane. Instead of looking for shadowy conspirators hiding under the bed, perhaps we should look for all that money sent here to improve the levees that never went to improving the levees.

But where's the fun in that? It makes a better story over that second cup of coffee to perpetuate the big bad government conspiracy theory than to actually take the time to do research and use your brain.

[Ben Gruagach]

Check out this linked PDF (http://www.boingboing.net/images/Understanding_the_levee_breach.pdf) written by a geologist who explains how the levee breech could make the noises people reported without it being caused by a bomb or explosive.

[Wyrdsister]

If it were true, the major news broadcasters would have picked it up.

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :hairraise No, not necessarily. Important information doesn't always get broadcast by major stations, papers, etc. Looking at alternative news sources is very important if you want to get as close to the truth about events like this as possible. The more news sources you read (major and minor), the better. DON'T trust that you get the full picture from "major" news broadcasters.

Wyrdsister

[Gracecat]

Big newspapers reads little newspapers. I assure you there are people on staff paid to know everything going on and their entire job is to sit and scan microfiche all day.

I still say if people were blowing up levee systems, it'd be dug up and reported on.