People Who Igonore Evacuation Orders

[Catiana]

Game wardens and other emergency workers used boats, airboats and helicopters to try to rescue about 600 people who defied evacuation orders and stayed behind only to be trapped by floods in the heart of Louisiana’s Cajun country, in Abbeville, Pecan Island and Lafitte. Several were plucked from the rooftops of their submerged homes.

High winds continued to push high water inland, making rescue attempts by boat or helicopter perilous, Vermilion Parish Sheriff Mike Couvillan said.

“We’re risking lives to save their lives when they had an opportunity to leave,” he said.


Even after what happened in New Orleans there were still people who ignored the mandatory evacuate orders for Rita. Do you think there should be some kind of penalty for the people who ignored the orders and then had to be rescued. Like being charged for the rescue or something . Here in Arizona they have a law that if anyone drives through a flooded roadway and gets stuck, they get a bill from the fire department.

[~*Ginger*~]

Well, honestly...
I think that before they go and do something like that, they should talk to the people and take in to consideration, the 'why' of them staying...

Did they have the funds to leave at all?
Was someone physically unable to try to leave?

Or were they finacially, and physically able to leave, and they were hard headed.

What was the reason for not leaving?

It's kinda assine in my opinion, to fine or penalize someone who didn't have the choice of leaving, if they didn't have the funds to be able to do so.

Human needs, before the fact should be looked into.

It's not so great to have someone do something assine to you, if you haven't the funds, or are not physically able to do, what someone else 'suggests' that you do.

Of course that may not make sense to anyone who's not been on the receiving end of that type situation.

[Sun Sprite]

I agree, I saw lots of tv reports of people who had no money, no cars, and could not get any form of public transportation out. They are in every town. There is no mass evacuation plan in any city I know of that takes into account those who are health conscious and choose to walk or bike everywhere they go and do not, or cannot afford to own thier own transportation. Their are not enough rental car companies, or enough Greyhound bus lines.

Beyond that, those who had the ways and means to go should.

Of course the towns ran out of gas for those trying to leave.

Then you have the companies that want thier employees to be there to open shop as soon as the storm is over as if nothing happened so they alone can make a killing. Yes, literally, employees have died, and their families have not been compensated due to such reasons of rich companies.

Some may stay because they are family of police or emergency medical people. They should probably leave too.

Some may be bedridden mothers in the last month of pregnancy, they should be moved to hospitals regardless of insurance coverage.

In general, yes, if they stay, they should not expect to be rescued until it is safe to do so. I think fines to those who could have left and refused who have to be rescued could be considered. I think hugh fines to companies (grocery, gas, mega marts) who insist on employees staying to close or open the stores should be seriously considered, and a $10,000 and up penalty for every death they cause given to the family on top of funeral expenses.

Just my opinion.

[DarkestSeptember]

First, it's not an easy thing. No, I don't feel they should be charged. This is something that will haunt you though, when you stay. We stayed for Katrina in a area hit hard 10 miles from 20 feet of water at the Orleans Parish line. We were in Jefferson Parish at a hospital full of patients. For so many reasons you've all witnessed on tv it'll stay with us...mentally horrific. So, days later when the water receded where we were ( close to the I-10) we got the heck out, all disoriented and feeling like we were running for our lives, as we had finally escaped! No Red Cross....later we found out why.the F people. Then we flee to west Louisiana near the Texas border. Still in shock, homeless staying with differant family members and trying to come back to reality we hear about Rita! Well, this small town doesn't have a local news station, they rely on surrounding areas at least 45 minutes away. We heard little about here and that it was not mandatory. I'm definately not familiar with the area to begin with, like I am now. So, I figure we're ok. No mandatory...no ones saying get out. Well, this place was hit pretty bad. No electricity for days, yet again but we had water....cool.not cold. Yes, after katrina we would have got out but we were told we were in an ok area. We would be ok. Not! Then we had our, yet again nightmares with Fema. I won't go into that here. Later we heard differant stories....some said it was mandatory and others said not. It's been insane. If I were to get a bill they would have to put me in jail because I would not pay. What I would do is help others and give to Red Cross or to the ones who really helped...........our neigbors , the strangers with great hearts who helped us all in these hard times. This small town, Rita was their Katrina. Believe me no one wants to know a real Katrina ever again.

One more thing, until you've been through this or something like it..........you may change your minds.
When they say get out..............do you realize just how many people over a short period of time do this. No gas stations open, your on the interstate and stuck. It's just not easy for those that did want to get out. Who would have cared for the patients in the hospitals? I wish the government FEMA would have helped knowing this ahead of time get all people transported earlier on. Theres just no easy answer or solution to this.

I think i just needed to vent, sorry to get away from the main topic here.

[Valnorran]

Well, if the local officials enacted an evacuation plan and did everything one could reasonably expect to get people out and some people still deliberately stayed behind, I don't think they should be officially punished but I don't think anyone should be in a big hurry to rescue them, either.

[charmedkisses1]

It's true that some people are incapable of leaving, most are just being ignorant.
It's not fair to ask for someone to risk their life when you got yourself into a situation in the first place. I'm happy that people are compassionate to risk their lives for them though.

[indebted]

I do realize how difficult it is. I evacuated from South of Houston during Rita, when it was headed right for my backyard.

However, there are means and ways of getting out. Staying, especially when you have something as uncontrollable as a hurricane headed right for you, is irresponsible and does not mean that you can do whatever you want once it happens.

What I am getting really tired of, though, is the focus on New Orleans. Obviously Mississippi suffered no damage....whatever.

Why is it we focus on one area and not all areas? Because the media chooses for us what we should know. Pathetic.

[indebted]

Well, if the local officials enacted an evacuation plan and did everything one could reasonably expect to get people out and some people still deliberately stayed behind, I don't think they should be officially punished but I don't think anyone should be in a big hurry to rescue them, either.

but that would mean that it wasn't "W's" fault...and that won't do....we must all think that he is the ultimate evil and forced these people into poverty and made them stay behind..... blah .....it would mean there is something out there called personal responsibility.....ohhhhhhh what an evil thought!

[Mitsuko]

Has anyone here not obeyed the mandatory evacuation for hurricanes before? I'm just asking. I wasn't in Gautier (the town in Mississippi, where I was born) during Katrina because I had moved up to Ohio to live with my dad a year earlier. However, when Hurricane Georges came through (I was in Middle School then, so I'd have to say 1999 or 2000 was when it happened) I was there. They ordered everyone in Jackson County to get out, but my family couldn't leave because we didn't have the money. After everyone who was going to leave did, a State Trooper came door to door, asking for our names and next of kin. The guy didn't tell us we had to leave, but kinda gave us a "nice knowing ya, fools" look. I guess if you can't leave, they can't really do much to you, can they?

My mom and her family stayed during Katrina too.. I actually heard a funny story about that...When the vynal (sp?) siding came off the house, my stepdad went outside and started chasing down the pieces. (Talk about frugal..and foolish)

[Hærfest Leah]

No no bill but if they get injured or killed due to not leaving when they were told to then they got what they got for it.

To me the driving on a flooded roadway is a diffrent situation.

[jmayo]

I personaly believe that they should have to pay for the fuel and time involved in their rescue. Mandatory is just that MANDATORY. I am sorry they lost everything, but a life isn't worth STUFF. THINGS can be replaced, life can't

[Mitsuko]

Eh..I guess its different when you're looking at a situation from the sidelines. Kinda reminds me of my stepmom (native Ohioan) asking my father and me all these questions about New Orleans that were kinda elementary for us, but that "northerners" didn't seem to know. She gave me an evil look when I told her "It was a good idea at the time" when she asked why New Orleans was built where it was. (She really thought the town was established in the 1800s) Another time, we saw some of the footage of people looting a grocery store, and she was saying how horrible it was that they were doing that and asking why they felt they had to when help was coming. I tried to tell her that most of the looters just wanted food to keep them till help got there. She didn't believe me until my dad came in and backed what I said.

And "mandatory" evacuations aren't always treated that way, even by the police force. Also, there's a rush for gas in the towns that have to leave, and not only are the lines super long, the stations raise the price to something really outrageous, but that ppl will still pay. (price gouging) If you can't get or afford the gas, you're just screwed. Its been my opinion for a while (since Hurricane Georges, actually) that, if they're gonna call it mandatory, the state government should make sure that EVERYONE has a means of getting out, not just those that can afford it.

[Stormie]

they get what they deserve, if they dont do as they are told..that is what I think.. I know I would obey!

[Anubis]

Has anyone here not obeyed the mandatory evacuation for hurricanes before? I'm just asking. I wasn't in Gautier (the town in Mississippi, where I was born) during Katrina because I had moved up to Ohio to live with my dad a year earlier. However, when Hurricane Georges came through (I was in Middle School then, so I'd have to say 1999 or 2000 was when it happened) I was there. They ordered everyone in Jackson County to get out, but my family couldn't leave because we didn't have the money. After everyone who was going to leave did, a State Trooper came door to door, asking for our names and next of kin. The guy didn't tell us we had to leave, but kinda gave us a "nice knowing ya, fools" look. I guess if you can't leave, they can't really do much to you, can they?

My mom and her family stayed during Katrina too.. I actually heard a funny story about that...When the vynal (sp?) siding came off the house, my stepdad went outside and started chasing down the pieces. (Talk about frugal..and foolish)
I used to live in Delaware... yeah I was told to evacuate once or twice.. and when I asked them what to do with my animals.. they told me to leave them behind.. Sorry, but I refuse to do that.. so call me stupid or pig headed or stubborn... but I refuse to leave my "family" behind.

btw.. they never had to rescue me (I would have declined their help if it meant leaving the critters) so I really can't answer on the whole fine issue... but I knew the risks & accepted them.

on another note... I had go work when I worked at Ames departemnt store during one of the hurricanes. When I called in to see if we were going to close I was told that if I didn't show up I would be fired & to bring a bag of sugar with me since the grocery store was closed; (they said a state of emergency was no reason to close the store & were firing all employees who did not show up for work).. this was during one of the mandatory evacuations... one of those where the police came knocking on the door to tell us to get inland. lol.. so who do you listen to? Your boss or the police?

[woodlandfairy]

I have lived on an island before and you make sure that you have a car or carpool and pleanty of gas to get out at any given moment. Or my choice would not be not to live there. We even kept a bag packed with extra clothes and water during hurricane season. I think it was horrible that they left animals on rooftops and worse, when they should have had a better plan of action. I have to say though if my birds and dog could not go, I don't think that I could leave them behind. They are like my children!

[Mitsuko]

I used to live in Delaware... yeah I was told to evacuate once or twice.. and when I asked them what to do with my animals.. they told me to leave them behind.. Sorry, but I refuse to do that.. so call me stupid or pig headed or stubborn... but I refuse to leave my "family" behind.

btw.. they never had to rescue me (I would have declined their help if it meant leaving the critters) so I really can't answer on the whole fine issue... but I knew the risks & accepted them.

on another note... I had go work when I worked at Ames departemnt store during one of the hurricanes. When I called in to see if we were going to close I was told that if I didn't show up I would be fired & to bring a bag of sugar with me since the grocery store was closed; (they said a state of emergency was no reason to close the store & were firing all employees who did not show up for work).. this was during one of the mandatory evacuations... one of those where the police came knocking on the door to tell us to get inland. lol.. so who do you listen to? Your boss or the police?

I think that was one of the reasons my mom and stepdad didn't leave. They couldn't take Conor and Faizah with them. Usually for hurricanes, they go up to Tennessee and stay with one of my stepdad's family, with the dogs. But this time his ten other brothers and sisters got there first, so they had to stay.

Also, did you guys know that some people are just now getting FEMA trailers to live in till their houses are re-built? My grandmother called and said my great-grandfather just got his yesterday. They had been staying at my mom's before then, but still... Three months after a hurricane takes place is a little late to be giving trailers out.

[Spacehap]

if anyone has ever gone through a huricane or any natural disater that they knew was coming you know how hard it is to let go of your things and leave.I know the feeling cause I went through Ivan.It is also the governments fault because they offered close to no public evacutation things.

[nik]

If you don't live in a disaster prone area then you really have no idea what you are talking about. Having recently relocated due to Katrina, I am disgusted by many of these posts. You think it's so simple? Consider these facts. No one knows until approx 24 hrs before the storm makes landfall where its going to go, within a several HUNDRED mile range. By that time, it is TOO LATE to leave. The highways are NOT moving anymore by then. If you're going to leave, you have to do it at least 2 days, preferably 3, before the storm. Then what? There are NO hotel rooms for hundreds of miles around, no gas stations with fuel for hundreds of miles around, no water or non-perishables to be found in the stores. Sure, you should be prepared ahead of time, but keep in mind New Orleans/gulf coast is threatened by Cat. 3+ storms 7,8, even 9 times a year. Once you do evacuate, you can't come back for several days, at least, again because the highways are literally parking lots. I have spent 12 hrs going 30 miles 2 days before threateining hurricanes. Chances are good you will end up spending the hurricane on the side of the road out of gas if you don't leave several days BEFORE the mandatory evacuations. How long before YOUR boss would fire you if you left for days on end, 7,8, maybe 9 times a year? Even normally sane, cautious, reasonable people very often simply cannot do this. Trust me, the fifth or sixth time you evacuated and the storm didn't hit, you would think twice about it the next time. If you really think 500,000 people can evacuate a city with only 3 roads out of it in anything under a week, then you need a reality check. Not all problems have workable solutions.
a disgusted Nik

PS I do, however, agree that people who evacuated themselves and left their pets behind should be shot. If you got YOU out, you can get THEM out too. I left with 3 dogs, 2 turtles, a hamster,a milipede, and a parrot in my car. Not fun, but do-able. No excuses.

[raminda]

Well, if the local officials enacted an evacuation plan and did everything one could reasonably expect to get people out and some people still deliberately stayed behind, I don't think they should be officially punished but I don't think anyone should be in a big hurry to rescue them, either.

I agree with that, but there's always the problem with people that don't have money or physical problems making it so they can't leave. You did say, however, the city has done everything they can.

[Mitsuko]

I agree with that, but there's always the problem with people that don't have money or physical problems making it so they can't leave. You did say, however, the city has done everything they can.

The cities very rarely do "everything" they can. Doing everything would be offering bussing to shelters for people who couldn't drive due to the gas shortages, not going door to door and collecting name and next of kin.

[DragonsChest]

I think more people could have gotten out sooner, but wouldn't and now (still?) expect the government to take care of them. And that there were those who honestly couldn't, and should have our support.

At least you folks who live in hurricane prone areas get a few days warning - try living in Tornado Alley. We're lucky if Mother Nature gives us 5 minutes advance notice.

[Spacehap]

If you don't live in a disaster prone area then you really have no idea what you are talking about. Having recently relocated due to Katrina, I am disgusted by many of these posts. You think it's so simple? Consider these facts. No one knows until approx 24 hrs before the storm makes landfall where its going to go, within a several HUNDRED mile range. By that time, it is TOO LATE to leave. The highways are NOT moving anymore by then. If you're going to leave, you have to do it at least 2 days, preferably 3, before the storm. Then what? There are NO hotel rooms for hundreds of miles around, no gas stations with fuel for hundreds of miles around, no water or non-perishables to be found in the stores. Sure, you should be prepared ahead of time, but keep in mind New Orleans/gulf coast is threatened by Cat. 3+ storms 7,8, even 9 times a year. Once you do evacuate, you can't come back for several days, at least, again because the highways are literally parking lots. I have spent 12 hrs going 30 miles 2 days before threateining hurricanes. Chances are good you will end up spending the hurricane on the side of the road out of gas if you don't leave several days BEFORE the mandatory evacuations. How long before YOUR boss would fire you if you left for days on end, 7,8, maybe 9 times a year? Even normally sane, cautious, reasonable people very often simply cannot do this. Trust me, the fifth or sixth time you evacuated and the storm didn't hit, you would think twice about it the next time. If you really think 500,000 people can evacuate a city with only 3 roads out of it in anything under a week, then you need a reality check. Not all problems have workable solutions.
a disgusted Nik

PS I do, however, agree that people who evacuated themselves and left their pets behind should be shot. If you got YOU out, you can get THEM out too. I left with 3 dogs, 2 turtles, a hamster,a milipede, and a parrot in my car. Not fun, but do-able. No excuses.

I agree totaly with this person

I also aplaud you for getting out with so many pets

[Valnorran]

I've been through a few hurricanes. Never tried to evacuate. I've got good shelter, but I've always suspected that those who do evacuate make a mistake by using the main highways. Since everybody uses them, traffic jams ensue. I don't think traffic would be so bad on the rural highways.

[Felidae]

I see Nik's point here.

And as far as New Orleans proper goes the hurricane itself wasn't the biggest problem. The failure of the levees is what did them in.

Articles like this tend to soften (some might say cloud) my judgement.


http://www.nola.com/living/t-p/index.ssf?/base/living-5/1132037840260250.xml

[dragoncrone]

At least you folks who live in hurricane prone areas get a few days warning - try living in Tornado Alley. We're lucky if Mother Nature gives us 5 minutes advance notice.

Hey - that's more than we get out here in California before buildings start shaking and there are whitecaps in the swimming pool!!!

[nik]

PS to my previous post:

There AREN'T any rural highways out of New Orleans. It's all swamp with only 3 roads of any kind to get out.

(Just in case that wasn't clear)

Nik

[Mitsuko]

The only way out of New Orleans I know is I-10, but then again, whenever I went to N.O, I was coming from the Mississippi side.

[Platinum Dove]

I just had to add to this, since I'm new let me give my experience to this.

I lived in Kenner (10 minutes west of NO), and was 28 weeks pregnant when Katrina hit. I worked for a hospital about 5 minutes from where I lived, but since I wasn't on the emergency crew, I wasn't at the hospital when it hit. I lived in NO for most of my life, and have stayed for every hurricane. I've seen bad hurricanes blow themselves out before they hit, or turn at the last minute.

My fiance and I decided that it was safer for us to stay where we were (5 minutes from the hospital) in case anything happened to me. The night before she hit, he and our neighbor downstairs were playing football in the streets as the tropical storm winds came in.

By 3 AM, my fiance finally admitted he was scared, but we all know, the worst didn't hit till a few hours later. The worst came in, and blew in, and the windows shook, and we listened as windows in apartments around us shattered with gunshot like sounds. Everything remained good with our apartment. And Katrina passed. The worst was over, or so we thought.

And then we watched as the floodwaters started in. Where we were, we were lucky, we only got 4 feet of water, but it flooded our neighbors below, and they came up to stay with us through the ordeal. And their neighbors came as well....suddenly we had 8 people in our little apartment, all of them tracking water in and soaking the carpet. The electricity went out at about 3 AM the night before, the water went out about 8 AM.

Three days later, we were finally able to see the street, and let me tell you....a herd of wild rabid horses couldn't have made us stay. We made our 6 hour way to my sister's house in Houston, and we're still in Houston, living in an apartment that FEMA was able to get us for a year.

We've been back a few times, and our old neighborhood, while relatively not badly hit, is still a disaster area.

Other areas that were hit...Bay St Louis Mississippi...my mom lived there, she lost everything...friends who lived there lost their house and shop, friends who lived in New Orleans itself lost everything. I'm just grateful I only lost what we did, and we were all able to rebuild.

[Shayla]

PS I do, however, agree that people who evacuated themselves and left their pets behind should be shot. If you got YOU out, you can get THEM out too. I left with 3 dogs, 2 turtles, a hamster,a milipede, and a parrot in my car. Not fun, but do-able. No excuses.


IF you have a way to get yourself out. But there are a lot of people who cannot self-evacuate, especially elderly and people with disabilities. The other problem is if you can evacuate, what do you do with the animals? Shelters are not allowed to take any animals other than service animals.

I ask these questions because the issues dealing with disasters are a lot more complicated than meets the eye. That said, the best thing any of us can do is to sit down with our families and make a disaster plan that includes all our family member, including the our 4-footed, feathered, furred and other members.

There is no such thing as an area without the potential for a disaster in the United States. The one thing the hurricanes have shown us is that the government isn't going to be there to help for several days. The first responders are not the police and fire, etc in a major disaster. The first responders are our families and our neighbors.

Shayla - who has worked in emergency management for over 25 years

[WiccanGoddess]

We evacuated on our own. With our own common sense. The day after, our city was mandetoraly evacuated. Everyone with common sense and with the ability to got out. Those who stayed behind for Rita, that was on their own Stupidity.

What i just found out irks me. Many in New Orleans who went to the Superdome DROVE there. If they could drive there, they had the ability to leave, even if only to travel a few hours worth. Anything would have been better than nothing.

I had me, mum, and da in a van for 10 hours from our home to Monroe. Left our 4 cats and a dog at home, for lack of space. We had blankets, pillows, and memories in our van. There was barely enough room for us.

They gave New Orleans ample amount of time to evacuate. Those who ignored it...it's on their heads. Those who had a way out, it's on their heads. I don't feel too bad for those people.

[Felidae]

I think Atticus summed it up best:

"If you just learn a single trick, Scout, you'll get along a lot better with all kinds of folks. You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view... Until you climb inside of his skin and walk around in it."

[arianrhods_daughter]

Well, if the local officials enacted an evacuation plan and did everything one could reasonably expect to get people out and some people still deliberately stayed behind, I don't think they should be officially punished but I don't think anyone should be in a big hurry to rescue them, either.

Agreed, they sould think about the poor people who have to risk their lives to save them just because they didnt want to leave..

[djmixon]

The shelters did not take animals, BUT the local animal shelters in the cities with shelters DID. Now, some of the animal shelters are in crisis because the owners took care of themselves, but have not picked up their animals.

I have no sympathy for those who did not choose to leave. Those with disabilities or the like is a different story.

Everytime I see those busses sitting underwater, I get peeved all over again. That was not a federal screw-up. That was all local... Nagin... who I think should be run out of office.

And for those "vanilla butts" who spent money in the "chocolate city" during Mardi Gras... shame on you. Don't you know they don't want us there. Nagin and several ministers from the area have said so...

Then again, they think it is okay to prevent some from returning, too. Instead, they want cities like Houston to keep the non-working poor and the indigent and only allow the working class to return. But, they will take the votes of those who no longer live there, even if they don't want them to be residents anymore.

[~*Ginger*~]

I think Atticus summed it up best:

"If you just learn a single trick, Scout, you'll get along a lot better with all kinds of folks. You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view... Until you climb inside of his skin and walk around in it."

Exactly!

Walking a few hundred miles in someone else's shoes, should make a big difference.

Re: Rural highways

'some' of those rural highways are evacuation routes = congestion.

[Cain]

3 reasons people dont leave.

1) To loot. No-one said criminals were smart, but they still have a good chance of making a profit, even if they dont live to spend it.

2) People who want to protect their homes from looters. Normally people who cannot afford security for their homes, beyond locks.

3) Black market profiteers. Sometimes looters, but not always. A good supply of certain essentials could get you some looted diamonds, cold hard cash, all sorts of things.

It seems few people here have mastered the criminal mindset and the implications thereof.

[~*Ginger*~]

It seems few people here have mastered the criminal mindset and the implications thereof.
:D

Actually, that may depend upon which end of a shot gun, rifle, or hand gun they may be standing behind.

[Felidae]

The shelters did not take animals, BUT the local animal shelters in the cities with shelters DID. Now, some of the animal shelters are in crisis because the owners took care of themselves, but have not picked up their animals.

Which is exactly why I donate money to the Humane Society and through the Krewe of Barkus to these shelters themselves!

A little background study shows that most of these people left their animals very reluctantly, and with few exceptions expected to be back in one to two days.

Again, it was the breaching of the levees and the subsequent flooding that did the most damage here, not the hurricane itself.


I have no sympathy for those who did not choose to leave. Those with disabilities or the like is a different story.

Well, I guess I'm a gullible softy but I do. A look at the statistics showed that for the most part the recovered bodies are those of low income people over the age of 50, and/or people with relatives whose disabilities made evacuation a difficult choice.


Everytime I see those busses sitting underwater, I get peeved all over again. That was not a federal screw-up. That was all local... Nagin... who I think should be run out of office.

And for those "vanilla butts" who spent money in the "chocolate city" during Mardi Gras... shame on you. Don't you know they don't want us there. Nagin and several ministers from the area have said so...

Politicians say and do incredibly stupid things every day. When I start actually listening to them is when I'll worry. In the meantime, why punish a city I love because one or more of it's officials is an idiot?

New Orleans residents, black and white, have voiced collective groans over Nagin's latent case of Touret's, and from recent reports it isn't coming to an end any time soon. Frankly, Louisiana history is full of incredibly (or, um, colorfully) crazy politicians, as I'm sure anyone from Louisiana will be happy to tell you. At length and in full detail. With much incredulous laughter. As a native of Birmingham, Alabama (whose mother worked for Mayor Arrington, btw) I can hardly cast stones at another states politics!

Heck, maybe my daughter was right when she said Nagin may be trying to get himself voted out of office! :lol:

[djmixon]

Which is exactly why I donate money to the Humane Society and through the Krewe of Barkus to these shelters themselves!

A little background study shows that most of these people left their animals very reluctantly, and with few exceptions expected to be back in one to two days.

Well, when we were involved in the largest evacuation in American history... ie, Houston/Galveston for Rita... I had all 11 animals in my van with me. My husband and son had all our stuff we carried in their cars. I would never leave my animals behind. If I cannot care for them through thick and thin, then I should not have them.


Well, I guess I'm a gullible softy but I do. A look at the statistics showed that for the most part the recovered bodies are those of low income people over the age of 50, and/or people with relatives whose disabilities made evacuation a difficult choice.

Like I said, those with disabilities (or age issues - which I consider part of that group) I do have sympathy for. Unfortuately, if Nagin had gotten those busses up and running, it could have been different.


Politicians say and do incredibly stupid things every day. When I start actually listening to them is when I'll worry. In the meantime, why punish a city I love because one or more of it's officials is an idiot?

New Orleans residents, black and white, have voiced collective groans over Nagin's latent case of Touret's, and from recent reports it isn't coming to an end any time soon. Frankly, Louisiana history is full of incredibly (or, um, colorfully) crazy politicians, as I'm sure anyone from Louisiana will be happy to tell you. At length and in full detail. With much incredulous laughter. As a native of Birmingham, Alabama (whose mother worked for Mayor Arrington, btw) I can hardly cast stones at another states politics!

Heck, maybe my daughter was right when she said Nagin may be trying to get himself voted out of office! :lol:

You may be right. He is some kind of ass.

Then again, I come from Texas... where politicians are all asses... <G>

:hugz: Felidae :hugz:

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[Little Billy]

Even after what happened in New Orleans there were still people who ignored the mandatory evacuate orders for Rita. Do you think there should be some kind of penalty for the people who ignored the orders and then had to be rescued. Like being charged for the rescue or something . Here in Arizona they have a law that if anyone drives through a flooded roadway and gets stuck, they get a bill from the fire department.

1. No.

2. Our idiot law for AZ is for when people purposefully GO INTO danger. Not the same thing.

[Vincent Verthaine]

There is an old lady who is still alive alive today because I didn't evacuate.

[Little Billy]

There is an old lady who is still alive alive today because I didn't evacuate.


How stubborn and selfish of you.

Obviously, you only saved that old lady so Uncle Sugar would give you money.

Katrina victims are so lucky.

[merlo]

Sorry, LB, but F off. Just come fix something for once....
I'm living in the warzone. So sue me.

[Alaiyo]

And now for something completely different...

[Akhkharu Asgard]

Sorry, LB, but F off. Just come fix something for once....
I'm living in the warzone. So sue me.


:geez:

[merlo]

:geez:

Grow a mind, sheep.


Or grab a hammer and come tear apart the houses where the dead were. I had do it again today.

It's so nice to philo sophia about what you haven't experienced. The fundie church groups are STILL doing it. Stop your book learning today. There's 4 states of chaos to choose from.....

[Akhkharu Asgard]

Grow a mind, sheep.


Or grab a hammer and come tear apart the houses where the dead were. I had do it again today.

It's so nice to philo sophia about what you haven't experienced. The fundie church groups are STILL doing it. Stop your book learning today. There's 4 states of chaos to choose from.....

And what the hell gives you the right to tell me to do any of that? You know absolutely *nothing* about me. It's really not my fault or problem that you had to tear apart houses, nor have I complaimed about people doing that or even taken part in this discussion! So please, save the bitching for someone else please.

Geez!

[merlo]

Play with fire, ya might get burned...

You stay in your corner, and I'll stay in mine.

I think I made a comment to LB.



And what the hell gives you the right to tell me to do any of that? You know absolutely *nothing* about me. It's really not my fault or problem that you had to tear apart houses, nor have I complaimed about people doing that or even taken part in this discussion! So please, save the bitching for someone else please.

Geez!

[Akhkharu Asgard]

Play with fire, ya might get burned...

You stay in your corner, and I'll stay in mine.

I think I made a comment to LB.

Oh, you quoted my little head guy, so I thought it was directed at me. My head was directed at you and Little Billy in a kind of "Whoa! Day-um!" kinda way. Nothing more.

So I'll just go back to hiding but viewing this thread... :)

[Cain]

Wait...so LB makes a saracastic comment on how some people view the Katrina survivors, so he gets attacked for it by someone who has also gone through it? I'm trying to follow the flow here....

[merlo]

Wait...so LB makes a saracastic comment on how some people view the Katrina survivors, so he gets attacked for it by someone who has also gone through it? I'm trying to follow the flow here....

Whoa, LB has quite the fluffy following....

Sorry guys...the board is boring, and he ALWAYS WINS....thanks for playing....now I go to work, again, fixing stuff...like I did yesterday, and I will tomorrow, and so on and so on. While we hope it doesn't happen again this year. It, being nature smackdowned.

And somehow I don't think LB needs any help defending himself, I'm actually appalled I even dared counterthink anything he might say. I've been slammed by his following already, wonder what he's gonna do.....*slinks away to work, FIXING stuff*:lookwhats

[Cain]

I actually asked whats going on. I'm trying to see where you are coming from, because I know LB well enough to see what he is saying. But if you wanna start trading insults, thats fine too. You seem to take offence easily enough. So, wanna tell me, or shall I start up the flame engines?

[Felidae]

Wait...so LB makes a saracastic comment on how some people view the Katrina survivors, so he gets attacked for it by someone who has also gone through it? I'm trying to follow the flow here....

Indeed.

Little Billy was defending the people who live in the "war zone". So I'm not getting where you're coming from. Are you saying he's wrong, because now you're cleaning up after these people, or are you misinterpreting what he said?

His comment was, again, sarcastic, but understandable in context if one has read the preceeding posts.

Maybe I'm a little thick, but I too see a need for a little clarification on why you reacted this way.

[merlo]

Ok, I'm just a Dmb@$$ sometimes....

[Little Billy]

Whoa, LB has quite the fluffy following....



Because they can see the fluffy sarcasm. :)

Little Billy,
Wants you to know that there are loads of decaffinated brands that taste just like the real thing.

[Little Billy]

Ok, I'm just a Dmb@$$ sometimes....


I'm a dumbass ALL the time. Or at least I act that way.

It's actually part of my religion.

"Act like a dumbshit, and they'll treat you as an equal."
- JR "Bob" Dobbs, at a sales seminar in 1969.

[merlo]

I'm a dumbass ALL the time. Or at least I act that way.

It's actually part of my religion.

"Act like a dumbshit, and they'll treat you as an equal."
- JR "Bob" Dobbs, at a sales seminar in 1969.

*joins fluffy following and bows low*:hailmol:

[Little Billy]

*joins fluffy following and bows low*:hailmol:


Actually, THIS is the guy that we must all eventually bow to:

http://jakrinda.tripod.com/images/bobandaliens.jpg

Don't worry about missing the sarcasm...we Subgenii are masters at the "straight face". We piss almost everyone off, at one point or another.

The conservatives hate us because we laugh at every value they have.

The liberals hate us because we make jokes about horrible things that shouldn't even be brought up (the post you were responding to, for example).

Hell, even the Discordians only put up with us because we are kinda like their "technical support" for jaking (and we rant on demand).

[Akhkharu Asgard]

Actually, THIS is the guy that we must all eventually bow to:

http://jakrinda.tripod.com/images/bobandaliens.jpg

Don't worry about missing the sarcasm...we Subgenii are masters at the "straight face". We piss almost everyone off, at one point or another.

The conservatives hate us because we laugh at every value they have.

The liberals hate us because we make jokes about horrible things that shouldn't even be brought up (the post you were responding to, for example).

Hell, even the Discordians only put up with us because we are kinda like their "technical support" for jaking (and we rant on demand).

Is Bob (tm) an Alien (tm) too?

[Cain]

Hell, even the Discordians only put up with us because we are kinda like their "technical support" for jaking (and we rant on demand).

You are also better known, and so more likely to be against the wall come the counterrevolution.

[Little Billy]

You are also better known, and so more likely to be against the wall come the counterrevolution.

HEY! THIS IS BETTER THAN PIN THE TAIL ON THE APOSTATE!
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http://www.subgenius.com/bigfist/pics10/!war/LeMur/bd_hostageSlack2.jpg

[Little Billy]

Is Bob (tm) an Alien (tm) too?

No, that's just whom he's selling us to.

[merlo]

I MAY be a closet discordian....how does one know? Apparently I pass the dumbass criteria, and the pissing people off agenda...

[Little Billy]

I MAY be a closet discordian....how does one know? Apparently I pass the dumbass criteria, and the pissing people off agenda...


Well, next, we have to teach you that a "Subgenius" is not the same thing as a "Discordian".

Basically, Subgenii are superior mutants, and Discordians obsess about numerology. Except Cain, but he's really a Subgenius.

[maeli]

I wanted to squeeze in here and put in my two sense since I went through Rita. I am one of those people who stayed behind. At first we planned to leave. I had all my stuff packed in my car and went to meet my fiance who had to do some work before we could go. It took me an hour and a half to go 15 miles. Once I got there my fiance and his dad (both volunteer fire fighters)were directing traffic. The only policeman in this small town had been ordered to go to a bigger city. We ended up staying because people needed us and his dad needed him. There wasn't gas for 30 miles and people were running out. There was no way I could have done it by myself. It was horrible. 100 degrees oustide and you can't use your air conditioner, everybody was suffering. You would have no idea what it is like unless you go through it. There were people who had to stay the night on the side of the road because they had no gas. Please keep in mind that it took these people 8 hours to go 30 miles. It takes 8 hours to get to florida from here. I just wanted to let people know that if you can leave - leave if you want to stay be prepared for the worst and thats what we did. We were well prepared to stay.

[ansu]

I would say that if you can leave....leave well ahead of the evacuation order if possible. In many instances it is not possible. Depends on your jobs, transportation, health, family and a myriad of other problems.

People in public service are generally considered necessary to the job and are required to stay. Sometimes, volunteers are asked for during extreme events, but someone has to stay.

I have a neice in Mississippi and they could not leave because her husband had to help batten down the shipyard (which was destroyed).

If you need to stay, just have your safety plans and stock up on everything you will need for at least 2 weeks, batten your hatches and hunker down. Only thing to do.

[maeli]

I would say that if you can leave....leave well ahead of the evacuation order if possible. In many instances it is not possible.

Well in my instance, they gave the evacutaion 2 days prior of the storm. Hurricanes change very quickly and you can't determine exactly where its gonna hit. It changed to a really strong 5 to a 3 within hours. Thank God

[Cain]

Well, next, we have to teach you that a "Subgenius" is not the same thing as a "Discordian".

Basically, Subgenii are superior mutants, and Discordians obsess about numerology. Except Cain, but he's really a Subgenius.

This is a vicious and slanderous rumour that has no basis in reality. I'm not giving $30 to that charlatan, Stang. I can buy a bottle of Jameson whisky with that.

[Little Billy]

This is a vicious and slanderous rumour that has no basis in reality. I'm not giving $30 to that charlatan, Stang. I can buy a bottle of Jameson whisky with that.

Enjoy that Jameson Whiskey while you're being incinerated by the Xists on July 5th.

"I'm ready to believe now, "Bob"!

*zzzzot!*

[Slyph]

Apparently according to the subgenius folk I actually have a place on the saucer craft!

They told me i'd be handcuffed to a space-radiator and used as a sexual effluent recepticle.

Still. Beats the Rupture

[Cain]

Enjoy that Jameson Whiskey while you're being incinerated by the Xists on July 5th.

"I'm ready to believe now, "Bob"!

*zzzzot!*

I want to stay behind on X-Day. Rampaging (latent) Subgenii horde, here I come!