Arabic Parts/Lots

[Shynes]

I know of a place where I can find out which signs they're in, but it doesn't tell where they're at in your chart. Is there a place on the net that does? If so, please share the link with me.

[Shynes]

Forget it... just realized how to figure it out myself.

[Shynes]

Which Arabic Parts do most astrologers usually use besides the Part of Fortune?

[Kadynas]

Some will use the Part of Marriage, particularly in synastry. There's also a Part of Fascination and a Part of Karma... Other than that I don't see many of them used that often.

For curiousity's sake I once figured out all of mine just for the heck of it! :lol: Can be pretty interesting!

[Fluffmeister]

Part of Spirit, Part of the Father, Part of the Mother, Part of Marriage, Part of Courage, Part of Hyleg... there are dozens of them. In fact, in medieval times they absolutely proliferated - the great Islamic astrologer Al-Biruni, writing over 1,000 years ago, complained that more parts were being invented every day! There are even things like a Part of Chick Peas (garbanzo beans) and a Part of Lentils - not widely used today, but darn handy if you happen to be a chick pea farmer!

Horary astrologers will sometimes use the seven parts recommended by Al-Biruni: Fortune, Spirit, Love, Despair, Captivity, Victory.

Some modern astrologers use things like the "Part of Suicide", which involves Pluto. Since the Arabic astrologers didn't know about Pluto, this is a bit dubious to say the least. John Frawley refers to these jokingly as "American Parts" :fpartay:

[KEishin]

For kicks, one time I ran the Part of Astrology for my chart. It's supposed to indicate a predilection for this stuff - it falls in Sag in my 6th house. Funny that. :D

But for the most part (pun intended), I use Fortuna and the Part of Spirit.

[Shynes]

Thanks for your replies people! :smile:

I ran my Part of Spirit and I got Capricorn. I've said before that sometimes I feel a bit of Aquarius in me (coruler of my 1st), but in the end I have to agree I am pretty much what my Asc. is.

[Fluffmeister]

Thanks for your replies people! :smile:

I ran my Part of Spirit and I got Capricorn. I've said before that sometimes I feel a bit of Aquarius in me (coruler of my 1st), but in the end I have to agree I am pretty much what my Asc. is.

Well - maybe. The problem with the Part of Fortune/Part of Spirit is that there are *two* different ways of calculating for a night chart (like yours). Most Arabic parts have two different formulae - one for day charts (Sun in the 7th-12th house), one for night charts (Sun in the 1st-6th house).

Ptolemy, writing about 1,900 years ago, reckoned the formula for POF was Asc+Moon-Sun, regardless of whether it's a daytime or night time chart. The Part of Spirit is Asc+Sun-Moon.

However, most other authorities disagreed with him, and said that POF is indeed Asc+Moon-Sun for daytime charts, but Asc+Sun-Moon for night time ones. In this case, your POF would be 9 Cap, and your Part of Spirit would be 7 Aquarius (in other words, you POF and Part of Spirit are the other way round).

[Shynes]

:hrmm:

I was born at a quarter to one in the morning, Fluff. Shouldn't I use the a.m. formula?

[Shynes]

How did my Sun end-up in the 4th house if I was born in the day? Is it not considered a brand new day in astrology until the Sun actually rises?... I'm confused...

[KEishin]

It may be daytime (i.e. after midnight) by the clock, but the Sun had not risen above the horizon when you were born. So you were considered a night birth, though it was in the am. Sunrise that day was just before 6am.

The best way to think of this is to realize the AC is the east/west horizon line. The planets rise in the east (1st/12th houses) and set in the west (7th/6th). So the sun was still descending at 0:44 that day. It wouldn't have started its upward rise for at least another hour or so. Hence the 4th house placement!

[Fluffmeister]

:hrmm:

I was born at a quarter to one in the morning, Fluff. Shouldn't I use the a.m. formula?


No, Shynes, it's not an am/pm thing - it's a day/night thing. If the Sun is above the horizon (ie in houses 7,8,9,10,11,12), it's daytime. If he's below the horizon, it's night time.

Edited to add: oops, replied to your post before I read Keishin's response - which said the same thing!

[Shynes]

Thanks for clearing that up for me you guys! :)