Psychic Vampires?

[9-2-2]

I am currently reading "The Psychic Vampire Codex" by Michelle Bellanger... while it is interesting, I'm finding some of what she says to be complete bunk. But some things that really made me think were the advent of psychic vampirism in a metaphysical society that condemns it as "detestable" at best, and "evil" at worst. So, I sat and thought about what a psychic vampire really is. I stripped away all of the social stigmas attached to it by mainstream new age and occultism, and what did I get? "A psychic who manipulates life force (i.e., draining, giving, etc.)." Hmm. That doesn't bother me too much. I've never met a truly dangerous psi-vamp, most of the ones I've met were such noobs they ended up draining more of their own energy in an attempt to drain others.
But I understand what she's saying there... society has put them on such a pedestal of something to be defended against that now almost everyone I meet thinks they're wicked or some nonsense... the same kind of attitude that encourages negativity and repression.
With that, I thought she made a pretty good point.

So here's my two cents... I think a trained psi-vamp is, well, another style of mage. What do you guys think?

[Darklord_Kodiak]

Psychic Vampires tick me off. Alot of this comes from sick people who arent even trying. The most intense I ever felt was off of terminaly ill patients. I can feel when someone is trying to drain my energy and have no problem cursing the ones who try it intentionaly. It does bother me and while it may not be dangerous it can ruin a perfectly good day or week. I have never seen a possitive come from a psychic vampire, if there is please let me know. Oh and by the way never read that book so maybe I am having trouble relating.

[Romani Vixen]

I've known some. There are those who aren't noobs.... and don't "use their power for good"....

Taking someone's personal energy without permission isn't cool!!! Plain and simple! I can forgive those who don't know that they're doing it.... but there are those rare ones who just hurt others without care.

I havn't read that particular book... but a psi vamp is someone who drains/sucks someone's personal energy. It isn't just manipulation... it's theft.

[Toki Wartooth]

Assuming that vampires must get their own life force from somewhere, I can understand why they'd have to do this, and I don't blame them (so long as they know when to stop).

[Auroro]

I take it many of you detest Psi Vampirism? Well, actually, I find it a very suiting lifestyle. I enjoy practicing Psi Vampirism, and we don't take enough to hurt someone when we need a boost, we can make a person sick if we want to, but I'd only do that if they've harmed me in one way or another. Without sapping from others, I am in a constant low field of energy that is hard to get out of, especially with my detest for the taste of coffee... that stuff's just nasty.

[Silver Water]

After reading what Auroro said about psi-vampirism, I must say that I can find nothing wrong with it so long as they do not drain so much that they hurt the person. Even if they're upset with a person, I'd think of it as too low of a blow to drain someone enough to hurt them. Especially if they had no idea of what was going on, and therefore no way to protect themselves from it.

But taking enough to sustain themself and not harm the one they took it from, I find nothing wrong with that.

[Jenne]

I'm sorry, but I find the intentional practice of Psi Vampirism disgusting. *shrug* Anytime you take something from someone without their permission, you harm them, especially if it's energy they may need. The ripple-effect I believe in makes me shudder when I think of unsuspecting people being syphoned off of, people who face unknown dangers who may need all their energies and reserves to battle what they need to fight in life.

The more I learn about everyday people, the more I learn about how life tragedy is normal. If you are taking energies from people without their permission, you are robbing them of a precious (renewable, yes, but not everyone knows how to do this easily) resource they need to stay healthy, happy and whole. You are taking from them their source of life, and I can't see it as morally correct to do so.

I understand some need to energies to get on in life, well then find a resource that is not unsuspecting. Get a submissive or something. Find a different source that isn't human but rather less tangible. Sorry, but I just can't see it as helpful to the world as a whole to steal others' energy without so much as a by your leave.

[Auroro]

Well, its sort of like the philosophy of do unto others AS others do unto you. I hold this as a firm philosophy for myself. I mean, come on, if someone punches you in the stomach when you're not looking, what are you going to do, turn the other cheek and let them beat you into bloody pulp? I highly doubt it. I would fight back, being a martial artist, I would probably hurt them too, but I wouldn't hurt them too badly, believe me, I do have self control, and ever since I made a kid bite off the tip of his tongue off in a sparring tournement, I haven't been able to go all out, and that was several years ago. If someone hurts me emotionally, like kids picking on me at school, I'm going to sap some energy from them, and depending on what they did, I might give them a cold, but I NEVER do anything so drastic as suck enough to give people very bad illnesses or do anything fatal, I don't even think I could.

[Jenne]

I don't understand how you could possibly know when enough is or when too much is? You don't know the future for certain, do you? You could never know when the amount you take is just enough for that person to cope with whatever it is they are dealing with down the road. You say you take enough for a person to get a cold--what if a week later they have pneumonia and die? Or they are asthmatic and you didn't know this and they go into anaphylactic shock and die? Again, extreme examples, but taking something from someone that leads to their health, wealth and happiness is wrong, unless they know and they have given you permission.

And to my mind, any wrong you do to someone intentionally is a mistake. You must own up to the consequences that you could potentially ruin someone's life by doing so. If you care not for those consequences, then a lesson in practicing such may visit you some day as well. Are you prepared for that?

I like Ghandi's statement on an eye for an eye--that eventually the whole world would be blind.

[Auroro]

And what would you say to the people who have ruined my life? The people who have beat me, the people who have hurt me, the people who have made me cry, made me crawl, made me beg? What would you say to them? It's not like I can't tell what is in their energy field either. I take a little from one person, a little from another. Psi Vampires are born with deformed chakras that keeps them from functioning properly. If I do not take from others what I need, I can suffer ailments physically, mentally, psychically, and energetically. This includes emotions as well. I fall into depression, and I am in depression most of the time as it is. And I wouldn't mind if the entire world was blind, if we were all blind, then we'd see what's really there.

[Hærfest Leah]

I read the codex this past week, I see what your saying and if you go to Michelles board as I have to learn more about them personally, they are also mad at the ones that use their path to harm others. I'm finding it all quite interesting and I say if someone has blind issues with them and think they are ALL bad GO READ THE CODEX BEFORE MAKING JUDGEMENTS!

[Auroro]

I read the codex this past week, I see what your saying and if you go to Michelles board as I have to learn more about them personally, they are also mad at the ones that use their path to harm others. I'm finding it all quite interesting and I say if someone has blind issues with them and think they are ALL bad GO READ THE CODEX BEFORE MAKING JUDGEMENTS!

Thank you seapearls. :)

[Jenne]

Oof, buddy, if you believe that only in a blind world could we find "what's really there," welll, I think you've not seen enough of what's already in front of you. If your arm's itchy, do you scratch the itch, put some ointment on it so it's not dry anymore, or cut it the hell off?

I'm not sure I believe *all* Psi Vamps can function only on others' energies. I'm sure, under guidance, tutelage, direction, studying, etc. they can learn to manifest energies on their own. The problem is deciding to do that, instead of what "comes naturally."

It wouldn't be easy, but it would be the better of both worlds to try. As to the people who have "ruined your life," in each of those, I believe, is a lesson to be learned. I have situations in my own life right now that are exactly like this, and I have to reign myself in before I destroy what needs to be saved and only deal with that which needs to be changed. We *all* make those types of decisions in life. All of us, vamps or no.

The trick is in self-descipline, and self-descipling. What are your triggers? What is it you need that you can get elsewise? Who can help you get there, without the raping and pillaging of mankind, will you nill you?

This applies for me to all, not just the Psi Vamps. I have a hard line where humanity is concerned, I guess, and I expect alot from people. But if you let the stakes fall, that's where people will rise to, imo, and I'd rather hold the bar high enough to make a difference then struggle with the mediocrity of doing what you feel like you can, rather than what you can struggle to achieve, own and be proud of.




And what would you say to the people who have ruined my life? The people who have beat me, the people who have hurt me, the people who have made me cry, made me crawl, made me beg? What would you say to them? It's not like I can't tell what is in their energy field either. I take a little from one person, a little from another. Psi Vampires are born with deformed chakras that keeps them from functioning properly. If I do not take from others what I need, I can suffer ailments physically, mentally, psychically, and energetically. This includes emotions as well. I fall into depression, and I am in depression most of the time as it is. And I wouldn't mind if the entire world was blind, if we were all blind, then we'd see what's really there.

[Xentor]

As far as my thoughts on this subject go: psi-vamps have a deteriorating medical disorder. They might form a danger to those surrounding them, increasingly so when their disorder keeps deteriorating. They might feel fine in their current lifestyle, they might even know what they're doing, but they are sick and need help. Their disorder needs to be cured.

I have had several psi-vamps attack me (at least the ones I know of). The last one needed to be swatted like a fly, repeatedly. They were quite annoying and animalistic in their needs. Reasoning doesn't help anymore at some point, because their medical condition makes them crave energy so badly they won't stop.

[Gypsy flower]

at one time I was drained so many times by a physic vampire I felt I could not move! I dont like them much!

[Jenne]

Oh dear lord. I never said they were all bad. What they do is dangerous to others. And probably unknowingly so. I don't mistake ignorance for malevolence...never do actually.

But I reserve the right to be outraged by those who take from those who have simply because they can.

[Auroro]

at one time I was drained so many times by a physic vampire I felt I could not move! I dont like them much!

That sounds a bit racial to me. I'm not the sort to attack people. It's like saying that all black people steal and that all blondes are air-headed... I happen to be a blonde as well, though these things are just stereotypes.

[Phoenix Blue]

Well, actually, I find it a very suiting lifestyle. I enjoy practicing Psi Vampirism, and we don't take enough to hurt someone when we need a boost...
Do you seek people who would give you this excess energy freely? If not, no matter how you rationalize it, it's still theft, and it's still wrong.

[magicr666]

Psi-vampires are just as misunderstood as we are. Yes some take engery without asking and no i don't agree with that. But some witches do magic to harm people or do magic against someones will so all in all their good and bad in everything. I don't think its right to judge and you guys should be more opened minded about it. Think about what you go through when someone finds out about your path. Most psi-vampire take energy from a doner, who give their ok. They need this energy. Some do take energy without even knowing it but its still not fair to judge. So before you go off and saying they are bad and are sick and need help, do some research on the subject. I'm sure some of you on here have done or wanted to do a spell or ritual that would bend the will of other. And you should learn how to shield yourself.

[Aidron]

I take it many of you detest Psi Vampirism? Well, actually, I find it a very suiting lifestyle. I enjoy practicing Psi Vampirism, and we don't take enough to hurt someone when we need a boost, we can make a person sick if we want to, but I'd only do that if they've harmed me in one way or another. Without sapping from others, I am in a constant low field of energy that is hard to get out of, especially with my detest for the taste of coffee... that stuff's just nasty.


For the record, if you took it upon yourself to take excess energy of mine to suit your own goals, I assure you that you would not complete the transaction without severe consequences. Your line of thinking is the same as my oldest sister's.

"The ring was just laying in the floor of your room, I figured you didn't want it so I took it."

Regardless of whether I have excess energy or if I choose to throw a $140.00 ring in the floor, that's none of your concern. Both are my property and to tamper with them will only earn you my vengeance.

Psychic vampires, however, cannot and do not live off the energy of other's alone. It's an impossibility to do so, for everything emits its own energy field regardless of whether it can absorb that energy from other sources or not. With psychic vampires the issue lies in not that they cannot survive, but rather that this is how they choose to get their high. Not by snorting things up their nose or drinking themselves to the point of a drunken stupor, but by stealing the energy of other's. They can function without it, but as with all addictions it makes life so much sweeter to have that high. Everyone has such sources of high, the energy of other's just happens to be the source for psychic vampires.

Regardless, true psychic vampires are rare. What most in fact are doing is simply fooling themselves into believing they are stealing the energy of other's when in fact all they are doing is getting a charge by through proximity to other's.

Quite honestly, most people's ideas of psychic vampires are illogical and their ethics in the matter are disgusting. But people may believe what they wish and if they want to refer to themself as a psychic vampire, so be it. However, I wouldn't waste my time warning psychic vampires not to steal my energy, I would simple make their life a living hell after the fact. Thievery in any form is still thievery and I refuse to tolerate any of it.

[Aidron]

Psi-vampires are just as misunderstood as we are. Yes some take engery without asking and no i don't agree with that. But some witches do magic to harm people or do magic against someones will so all in all their good and bad in everything. I don't think its right to judge and you guys should be more opened minded about it. Think about what you go through when someone finds out about your path. Most psi-vampire take energy from a doner, who give their ok. They need this energy. Some do take energy without even knowing it but its still not fair to judge. So before you go off and saying they are bad and are sick and need help, do some research on the subject. I'm sure some of you on here have done or wanted to do a spell or ritual that would bend the will of other. And you should learn how to shield yourself.


Well, you can consider it wrong to judge all you wish, but I for one do not follow Christian morals and judgement is a very valuable tool. It can warn us of impending danger and can help us to better perceive the world around us. This nonsense about preaching 24/7 open mindedness until your brain falls right out of your skull is ridiculous, and that is my judgement on that.

If people wish to take energy from a doner and thus rely on a co-dependent means of empowerment, let them knock themselves out, I couldn't give a crap. However, if they attempt to steal my energy, then not only do I have the right to judge them as the thieves they are, but I have the right to self-defense, and I see no point in being merciful to those who intentionally seek to do you harm.

They do not, however, need this energy, for as I said in my previous post, all things emit an energy field on their own. They want this energy because like all addictions, it is a matter of feeling that high. It's as simple as that, and people can come up with all sorts of excuses to justify their thievery, but it does not change the fact that they are thieves. Perhaps you should do some actual research, instead of just jumping to the defense of a perceived underdog.

My desire or whether I have or have not ever performed a spell to maim or control another is irrelevant. We are not discussing the transgressions of such, the thread discusses psychic vampirism and attempting to shift the spotlight onto the perceive immorality of others to hide one's own thievery is pathetic.

Shielding oneself is vital, yes, but I'll be damned if people should have to learn it to keep thieves at bay. That's like saying "You shouldn't own anything valuable or you can't blame yourself if you were robbed." Bullshit. Don't put the blame on those who are stolen from when the fault lies with those who stole in the first place. :rolleyes:

[Romani Vixen]

Do you seek people who would give you this excess energy freely? If not, no matter how you rationalize it, it's still theft, and it's still wrong.

I agree here completely.

If you have 20 $1 bills in your wallet, is it ok for someone to walk up and take 4 or 5? Even if you didn't need $20 precisely to pay your power bill?

If you need $4 to get a meal... ask.... If you need some ju-ju... GROUND AND CENTER!!!! or find someone who's willing to feed you. Doing anything else is theft... regardless of how you rationalize or justify.

[Auroro]

Aidron, do you know what it's like to be a psi vampire? Do you? Do you have an recollection of what it means at all? It's responsibility, the feeling you get when your chakra's are literally deformed and you can't get the energy you need to remain balanced? And you're statements to me and magicr666 are so hipocritical, it's sickening. You obviously do not understand the things I speak of, and if vengeance is your only answer, then I pity your naive mind and hope that clarification of the cloud of naiveness that shrouds your eyes does not clear with pain.

[Aidron]

Aidron, do you know what it's like to be a psi vampire? Do you? Do you have an recollection of what it means at all? It's responsibility, the feeling you get when your chakra's are literally deformed and you can't get the energy you need to remain balanced? And you're statements to me and magicr666 are so hipocritical, it's sickening. You obviously do not understand the things I speak of, and if vengeance is your only answer, then I pity your naive mind and hope that clarification of the cloud of naiveness that shrouds your eyes does not clear with pain.


And how are my statements hypocritical? I never spoke of vengeance being my only answer, I stated that those who steal from me will have to face the consequences, and no I am not speaking of westernized karma and yes, I am speaking of reacting to their insideous actions. If people dislike the idea of me doing unto others as they do unto me, then it is best that they do not steal from me, no?

I find it interesting that you call me naive, when you sit here trying to justify your proclaimed love of a life of thievery in which it is perfectly justified due to a perceived deformity. If you are deformed (and I do not believe such is the case), why should I have to suffer, whether to aid you in serving your delusions or aid you in continuing to survive, whatever the case may be. Certainly many things in nature steal from one another to survive, but I don't see any of them saying "Sure, take my flesh and my blood so that you might eat, to not give them freely would be very judgemental of me."

Pardon me if the distinct smell of bullshit does come across as appealing to me.

[9-2-2]

Oh wow. I leave for a little while, and insta-judgmentalism rears its ugly head. I have only seen two people on here so far open their ears and their minds to listen to the other side of the story, so I guess I shouldn't hope for much. I read some more, and Miss (Mrs.?) Belanger does state that in formal psi-vamp circles, the mages don't go running around ripping out people's energies at random... they actually ASK first. But I expect these words to fall on deaf ears as usual.
I've had Christians throw me against a wall in high school, throw beer bottles at my head while walking home, and kick the crap outta me when I was a homeless little girl. But that doesn't make all Christians ravingly violent people, does it?
Likewise, a lot of garbage has been spewed against occultists like you (you all in general) and me. It's been said we sacrifice babies, eat goats, worship chihuahuas, and all sorts of bunk... granted, SOME of us are unethical and dangerous towards others, but that doesn't mean we all are.
Likewise, I think that not even trying to look at the other side of vampirism is doing nothing more than succumbing to the judgmentalism, paranoia, and fear that our ancestors and ourselves have endured.
Yeah, there are psychic vampires that steal energy. You know what? There are Pagans and occultists who curse people, and there are some who actually DO perform blood sacrifice. There are people from all walks of life who commit actions in life that are far worse than a newbie psi-vamp who drains enough to make someone tired.
I've never even met or heard of a reckless psi-vamp who was powerful enough to drain enough energy to harm people. Yeah, I've been drained before. What happened? I got tired, but my life hasn't shortened. I shielded, replaced that superficial amount of energy, and got on with my life. Are there psi-vamps who can drain dangerous amounts of energy? Yes. Are they lurking around every corner, waiting to assault? No. Most psi-vamps I met spent more of their own energy trying to drain others, and it wasn't sucessful. The rest don't drain indiscriminantly and at random... like a healer, they ask first.

Meh, I don't know why I even try. I don't expect much from anyone anymore except for overreacting and mental shutdowns. I'm going to bed, gotta job in the morning, g'night everyone.

[Auroro]

You think I asked for this damnation??? You really think that, don't you? Like I said, naive. These words you only speak to anger me, in which they have, but I remain calm. If you call this "bullshit" then yes, I can say that you are obviously blind and as magicr666 stated it, without an open mind. You block out that which you do not know and which you fear. If you don't believe that this deformity of my chakra's is true, then so be it, I need not to prove my case to you, and what sort of vengeance could you produce anyhow, now that produces a strong and eminant smell of bullshit in the air, now doesn't it? My philosophy is "do unto others as others do unto me", and I don't believe in the westernized karma either. Delusions, these are not, perhaps you shall lay off the hallucinagines for a moment and you might realize that. People do suffer, whether you believe it in your naiveness or not.

It's not that simple, and you're just making things difficult, the problem is easy, but you draw your conclusions and solutions for your propaganda and it's all pointless in this unseemingly opinionated thread.

And yes, pardon you, you dragged the smell of bullshit in with you when you came.

[Aidron]

You think I asked for this damnation??? You really think that, don't you? Like I said, naive. These words you only speak to anger me, in which they have, but I remain calm. If you call this "bullshit" then yes, I can say that you are obviously blind and as magicr666 stated it, without an open mind. You block out that which you do not know and which you fear. If you don't believe that this deformity of my chakra's is true, then so be it, I need not to prove my case to you, and what sort of vengeance could you produce anyhow, now that produces a strong and eminant smell of bullshit in the air, now doesn't it? My philosophy is "do unto others as others do unto me", and I don't believe in the westernized karma either. Delusions, these are not, perhaps you shall lay off the hallucinagines for a moment and you might realize that. People do suffer, whether you believe it in your naiveness or not.

It's not that simple, and you're just making things difficult, the problem is easy, but you draw your conclusions and solutions for your propaganda and it's all pointless in this unseemingly opinionated thread.

And yes, pardon you, you dragged the smell of bullshit in with you when you came.


You certainly sound oh-so-calm. I'll leave you to your damnation. :rolleyes:

[9-2-2]

Heh, I think the emotions are running a little too high. Let's take a chill pill guys, we're all acting too much like screaming kids and not people having an interesting discussion. I intended this discussion to be a look at psi-vampirism from the vamp's shoes, not a "let's crucify the dregs of metaphysical society" slam-fest. We're not two year-olds, and it's getting unnecessarily heated in here.

[kissesree]

And what would you say to the people who have ruined my life? The people who have beat me, the people who have hurt me, the people who have made me cry, made me crawl, made me beg? What would you say to them? It's not like I can't tell what is in their energy field either. I take a little from one person, a little from another. Psi Vampires are born with deformed chakras that keeps them from functioning properly. If I do not take from others what I need, I can suffer ailments physically, mentally, psychically, and energetically. This includes emotions as well. I fall into depression, and I am in depression most of the time as it is. And I wouldn't mind if the entire world was blind, if we were all blind, then we'd see what's really there.Dude, you are 16!!!! Life cant be that bad, and you DO have the option of seeing a chakra specialest, it just seems to me you dont want to. A Psi vamp screwed me over as a child, and caused a cold to develope into BIG trouble. Nobody "needs" to feed off the lifeforce of other humans to stay energetic. Thats what trees and nature are for. I am a well experienced accidental psi vamp, thanks to my own encounter with the one who almost killed me, but all energy I have ever taken has been given freely to help me recover. I still feel drained frequently, but I find it to be quite easy to get a pick me up just by hugging a tree and ASKING for the energy of the EARTH.

[kissesree]

You think I asked for this damnation??? You really think that, don't you? Like I said, naive. These words you only speak to anger me, in which they have, but I remain calm. If you call this "bullshit" then yes, I can say that you are obviously blind and as magicr666 stated it, without an open mind. You block out that which you do not know and which you fear. If you don't believe that this deformity of my chakra's is true, then so be it, I need not to prove my case to you, and what sort of vengeance could you produce anyhow, now that produces a strong and eminant smell of bullshit in the air, now doesn't it? My philosophy is "do unto others as others do unto me", and I don't believe in the westernized karma either. Delusions, these are not, perhaps you shall lay off the hallucinagines for a moment and you might realize that. People do suffer, whether you believe it in your naiveness or not.

It's not that simple, and you're just making things difficult, the problem is easy, but you draw your conclusions and solutions for your propaganda and it's all pointless in this unseemingly opinionated thread.

And yes, pardon you, you dragged the smell of bullshit in with you when you came.First off psi vamperism is not a curse. You have to aquire it. It is learned, unless it is a natrual gift, then you walk around taking energy unknowingly, which is clearly not the case in your case. Had you not decided to use this ability to your full advantage, you may have come up with a more decent way of aquiring energy.Second, if you beleve so strongly in the whole do unto others thing you are begging to get drained yourself, and I know you dont want that, I do beleve that smell is radiating from YOU, dear heart, and not magicr666 .

[Romani Vixen]

Oh wow. I leave for a little while, and insta-judgmentalism rears its ugly head. I have only seen two people on here so far open their ears and their minds to listen to the other side of the story, so I guess I shouldn't hope for much.

You missed a *major* point of what every one of the 'anti-vamp's were saying. ASK or get it from another source. The issue is with theft. If permission is recieved and the exact happenings are understood, then it's not theft.

I don't care about any form of vamp if their 'subject' is fully aware of what's going on (this means old enough and of sound mental state to comprehend) and informed... as long as permission is given. Others had said as much too.

[Akashic Brother]

I still feel drained frequently, but I find it to be quite easy to get a pick me up just by hugging a tree and ASKING for the energy of the EARTH.
:woot:

[Auroro]

Oh gosh, you people are thick. And I never blamed anything on magicr666, I was supporting them.

[Xentor]

First off psi vamperism is not a curse. You have to aquire it. It is learned, unless it is a natrual gift, then you walk around taking energy unknowingly, which is clearly not the case in your case. Had you not decided to use this ability to your full advantage, you may have come up with a more decent way of aquiring energy.

I disagree. Psi vampirism can be acquired and become addictive, but it can also start as a medical condition that, as Auroro states, deforms his chakras and energy lines. If it were only an addiction it could be overcome like any other: with a lot of good intentions and a strong will, combined with a little medicinal and / or psychological help.

However, many a psi-vamp starts out skimming unknowingly, either caused by a disorder or slowly causing a disorder, that needs to be cured. There's little else for them to do. Telling them to simply stop it would be like telling a shark to stop moving and float like any regular fish: it will kill them.

I know about addictions, and I know about good intentions, unfortunately I also know about psi-vamps who took their disorder and turned it into a cop-out to do all kinds of cruel things. We have had (and still may have) a couple of members on this site who would start fights amongst members only to skim the excessive energy.

To those of you who are a psi-vamp I say: seek help. Don't allow your good intentions to deteriorate beyond hope. Don't allow it to turn you into an animal. And yes, you should seek to shield too, because, as Aidron stated, some people will not like your skimming their life force.

[9-2-2]

You missed a *major* point of what every one of the 'anti-vamp's were saying. ASK or get it from another source. The issue is with theft. If permission is recieved and the exact happenings are understood, then it's not theft.

I don't care about any form of vamp if their 'subject' is fully aware of what's going on (this means old enough and of sound mental state to comprehend) and informed... as long as permission is given. Others had said as much too.

If I missed it, I missed it because I had left and gone to bed, in case you missed the sequential ordering of the posts. :p
I don't consider it theft. Ever cleared, grounded, and centered? When you ground, one style is not sending roots into the ground, but connecting to everything in the universe and raising energy that way. This includes other people. It isn't theft.
I don't consider anyone to be entitled to their own energy. Energy can be freely obtained from anywhere... the Universe could care less if there's energy in your physical vessel, energy is energy. Theft is a man-made concept. I do think it is impolite, however, to run amok and recklessly drain from anything on two feet.
Simple shielding will prevent most cases of psi-vampirism of the more reckless kind. There are ways to protect from energy drain (most shields are drainable), many of which involve no-emotion, or having a shield of no-energy.

Well, I've gotta run to work now. Have fun screaming at each other, guys. :fishtank:

[Xentor]

It isn't theft.
I don't consider anyone to be entitled to their own energy. Energy can be freely obtained from anywhere... the Universe could care less if there's energy in your physical vessel, energy is energy. Theft is a man-made concept.
The universe might care less... I however care quite a lot about the energy that makes up my existence, and about my effort to acquire and shape my energy. And I happen to be part of mankind with a perception of theft. Sure there's plenty of energy... they can take it from the universe directly, just like I do. They should not parasite on my hard work.


I do think it is impolite, however, to run amok and recklessly drain from anything on two feet. Simple shielding will prevent most cases of psi-vampirism of the more reckless kind. There are ways to protect from energy drain (most shields are drainable), many of which involve no-emotion, or having a shield of no-energy.
Simple shielding? Someone else made a nice analogy: that's like saying one shouldn't acquire anything valuable because someone might steal it. It's the other way around: if you want the energy, you do your own work. If you can't do it, get help. If you choose to steal from me, you choose to face the consequences.

[kissesree]

over here!!!!

[Meadhbh]

People seem to be set on their views when it comes to this topic. I'll go ahead a throw in my thoughts on the subject. Call wrong and amoral if you want, it really isn't going to change things. I can't help the way I work anymore than the next person, and I used to hate it. But, the thing is it has to be done and if thats what I have to be able to do to function in the world then thats just what has to be done. Some of the same people who proclaim it to be disgusting and wrong eat meat. If we're talking about taking things that don't belong to them thats worse. I do both one by choice the other because I need to. I had to drag myself out of bed this morning and barely made to the bus, however there was an elderly man there with a nice energy wave, so I helped myself to some and now I feel fine. Should I have gone around nearly comatose just so I would hurt anyone I don't think so. Life isn't fair is it, things are the way things are and people just have to deal with it.

[Aidron]

If I missed it, I missed it because I had left and gone to bed, in case you missed the sequential ordering of the posts. :p
I don't consider it theft. Ever cleared, grounded, and centered? When you ground, one style is not sending roots into the ground, but connecting to everything in the universe and raising energy that way. This includes other people. It isn't theft.

I don't know about you, but when I ground, I am releasing energy, not acquiring it. :eyebrow: You ground to maintain balance, to release excess energy that may be flowing from you and cause chaotic mishaps and other unfortunate events and while the possibility exists that this chaotic energy could benefit you, it is at the core chaotic and there is no way to be for sure, hence it is better to be safe than sorry. This idea that grounding is meant to draw on energy... honestly, do your research. That would be raising energy, not grounding.


I don't consider anyone to be entitled to their own energy.

If I'm not entitled to it, why is it my own energy? Do you realize what you just said? It's my energy, just as the chapstick I used moments ago is mine. I bought it and I create my energy, they are rightfully mine and no one has any rights to them unless I give express permission for them to take them. If I don't, then it's theft, pure and simple, you can dress it up however you want and create elaborate justifications, but it is theft.


Energy can be freely obtained from anywhere... the Universe could care less if there's energy in your physical vessel, energy is energy.

It certainly can, so why steal it from others? To cultivate some eccentic and pseudo-interesting visage because you are so devoid of personality and talent that you need something to make you stand out? :rolleyes:


Theft is a man-made concept. I do think it is impolite, however, to run amok and recklessly drain from anything on two feet.

So is psychic vampirism. Name me one being outside of humans that actually refer to this and unless you can present actual proof, not just spiritual interpretations and communion with other entities that none of us can question and receive the precise same answer from, it does not count.


Simple shielding will prevent most cases of psi-vampirism of the more reckless kind. There are ways to protect from energy drain (most shields are drainable), many of which involve no-emotion, or having a shield of no-energy.

And locking your doors and windows will likely prevent someone from breaking into your home and stealing your possessions. However, even if you don't, I gurantee you no legal system will let the hypothetical thief off simply because you didn't lock your doors and windows. You cannot justify the thief's actions because of the victim's, not locking doors and windows doesn't force their hand and any court in the world would still punish the proposed thief. Whether someone chooses to shield or not, no one has a right to steal their energy.

[Aidron]

People seem to be set on their views when it comes to this topic. I'll go ahead a throw in my thoughts on the subject. Call wrong and amoral if you want, it really isn't going to change things. I can't help the way I work anymore than the next person, and I used to hate it.

I find that to be out and out nonsense. If no one can help anything about themselves or the world, that denotes we are helpless beings who simply must let all things happen as they are and who have no say and no impact on the world. If you wish to believe you are a helpless victim though, so be it.



But, the thing is it has to be done and if thats what I have to be able to do to function in the world then thats just what has to be done.

That is not a fact, that is your perception of events. A fact can be observed by all and not all of us can clearly observe this to be true. If you wish to believe you must steal energy from other beings in order to survive, that's fine. I won't knock you for your beliefs, however, I certainly won't stand aside and let you take my energy to fulfill your beliefs. I have no reason to lie down and take it just to ensure your survival. That's certainly not how the world works in any form.


Some of the same people who proclaim it to be disgusting and wrong eat meat. If we're talking about taking things that don't belong to them thats worse. I do both one by choice the other because I need to.
I had to drag myself out of bed this morning and barely made to the bus, however there was an elderly man there with a nice energy wave, so I helped myself to some and now I feel fine. Should I have gone around nearly comatose just so I would hurt anyone I don't think so. Life isn't fair is it, things are the way things are and people just have to deal with it.

This isn't about not hurting anyone, this is about the fact that some of us will not take kindly to the theft and we will bite back and twice as hard when people like you attempt to take our energy without our expressed permission. If you can't accept that, then perhaps you should stop stealing energy. Take no action unless you can accept the consequences. Then again, I have never seen a person who breaks into homes, steals what they wish and then gladly accepts their due jail time because of it so why should this be any different. [shrugs]

[Sage Rainsong]

Okay well. Taking life force from a person is indeed theft. It can be rationalized all you want but it is still theft. I really dislike the whole "well they have too much" argument because by that argument I could say that stealing from a rich person is okay because they have too much money. However I have heard of psychic vampires takinging the energy of a place. Lets say that I went to a mall when it just closed and sucked the energy from everyone moving around all day. Sort of like feeding off someones' trash. I am curious as to peoples' opinions on that senerio.

[Cyzarine]

I practice Psi Vampirism as well. There are those who feel threatened. No doubt there are those who abuse the psi powers...but there are those who know how it should be used. There is more to it then just draining energy from a human. The earth gives off more energy then a single human and it is constantly being replenished. There are those of us who quite simply ask before we take...otherwise we take from the replenishable earth energy.

[LadyCelt]

^^^^^^ I don't think that would be affective, since peole may be tired and worn out, esepically workers or parents.

Now, people going to a club, in a club or amusement park would work.

I do agree with you that it is theft.

[Cyzarine]

Okay well. Taking life force from a person is indeed theft. It can be rationalized all you want but it is still theft. I really dislike the whole "well they have too much" argument because by that argument I could say that stealing from a rich person is okay because they have too much money. However I have heard of psychic vampires takinging the energy of a place. Lets say that I went to a mall when it just closed and sucked the energy from everyone moving around all day. Sort of like feeding off someones' trash. I am curious as to peoples' opinions on that senerio.

It is theft. It is one thing to ask and get an ok...which there are several people willing to say ok. No one has to much energy, but everyones natural energy gets replenished with rest and medetation. The taking of energy from a place is real, it just depends on the place. I feel the earth is best because the earth is highly energetic and you wouldn't even use enough to turn a splice of grass brown.

[Silver Water]

What about psi-vamps who aren't aware of what they're doing for years? The ones who have a natural 'talent' for it and make use of it without being aware of it? I don't see anyone mentioning them in here. I'm asking because only recently I've realized what I've been doing for probably my entire life. Whenever I feel tired or sick I'll go talk with someone and come away feeling like a recharged battery. I found that a bit strange when I started having sleepovers, how everyone would drop off to sleep while I felt like staying up forever, but eventually I got used to.

Until recently when I started thinking about it again. I hadn't slept for almost three days and I didn't feel tired. But... my cousin, who I live with, is more tired than usual. And really early this morning I started thinking about her sleeping and I almost felt something happening, like I was reaching out. I slammed walls down instantly and an hour later I was exhausted and ended up sleeping for hours. Coupled with that was a killer headache that started up the instant I got up. Until I went upstairs and talked with my grandma... see now I think I might be a psi-vamp who didn't have to learn it. But now I have to, so that I can learn how to control what I do before I hurt someone.

[Xentor]

What about psi-vamps who aren't aware of what they're doing for years? The ones who have a natural 'talent' for it and make use of it without being aware of it? I don't see anyone mentioning them in here.

It might not have been clear but I did try to include those, a couple of posts ago:


However, many a psi-vamp starts out skimming unknowingly, either caused by a disorder or slowly causing a disorder, that needs to be cured. There's little else for them to do. Telling them to simply stop it would be like telling a shark to stop moving and float like any regular fish: it will kill them.


But now I have to, so that I can learn how to control what I do before I hurt someone.

That's a good start. :thumbsup:

[Cyzarine]

What about psi-vamps who aren't aware of what they're doing for years? The ones who have a natural 'talent' for it and make use of it without being aware of it? I don't see anyone mentioning them in here. I'm asking because only recently I've realized what I've been doing for probably my entire life. Whenever I feel tired or sick I'll go talk with someone and come away feeling like a recharged battery. I found that a bit strange when I started having sleepovers, how everyone would drop off to sleep while I felt like staying up forever, but eventually I got used to.

Until recently when I started thinking about it again. I hadn't slept for almost three days and I didn't feel tired. But... my cousin, who I live with, is more tired than usual. And really early this morning I started thinking about her sleeping and I almost felt something happening, like I was reaching out. I slammed walls down instantly and an hour later I was exhausted and ended up sleeping for hours. Coupled with that was a killer headache that started up the instant I got up. Until I went upstairs and talked with my grandma... see now I think I might be a psi-vamp who didn't have to learn it. But now I have to, so that I can learn how to control what I do before I hurt someone.

Here is a good site to start in your journey of learning to control your energy feedings...http://www.sanguinarius.org/vampire.shtml

If you need yo can pm me. I have been there and know what it is like to be a psi vamp...as well as a sangui.

[Silver Water]

Here is a good site to start in your journey of learning to control your energy feedings...http://www.sanguinarius.org/vampire.shtml

If you need yo can pm me. I have been there and know what it is like to be a psi vamp...as well as a sangui.
Thank you for the site Cyzarine, it does look like it'll be able to help with a lot of my questions. And I will be sure to do that, thanks for the option of asking you :)

[Cyzarine]

Thank you for the site Cyzarine, it does look like it'll be able to help with a lot of my questions. And I will be sure to do that, thanks for the option of asking you :)


No problem...and you are vey welcome. I love to help any time I can.

[Akashic Brother]

Am I wrong in thinking that everyone has been guilty of vamprism at some point in time? I would think even verbal communication is often used as the tool. I know when someone is arguing with me, insulting me, trying to dominate me etc, I can usually feel the exact place where energy is being drained. Same goes with telling someone that I love them, respect them etc, has an opposite energy giving function. I think when you become aware of this energy process it is necassary to adapt a set of morals that coincide with this understanding. Who know's maybe by having good morals and doing what is morally right will develop some connection to spiritual energy. Personally I always find nature is more then willing to help.

[Auroro]

I practice Psi Vampirism as well. There are those who feel threatened. No doubt there are those who abuse the psi powers...but there are those who know how it should be used. There is more to it then just draining energy from a human. The earth gives off more energy then a single human and it is constantly being replenished. There are those of us who quite simply ask before we take...otherwise we take from the replenishable earth energy.

I've got a terribly deformed root chakra though, so I've gotta work on that before I can draw from the earth... :hrmm:

[Aidron]

Am I wrong in thinking that everyone has been guilty of vamprism at some point in time? I would think even verbal communication is often used as the tool. I know when someone is arguing with me, insulting me, trying to dominate me etc, I can usually feel the exact place where energy is being drained. Same goes with telling someone that I love them, respect them etc, has an opposite energy giving function. I think when you become aware of this energy process it is necassary to adapt a set of morals that coincide with this understanding. Who know's maybe by having good morals and doing what is morally right will develop some connection to spiritual energy. Personally I always find nature is more then willing to help.


Yes, but there intentional theft or vampirism and unintentional theft or vampirism.

While I do not support unintentional theft either, as I believe it is up to one to educate and inform themself to prevent ignorance, I would no look upon such as harshly as I might when one intentionally stole from me.

Those who do it unwittingly a lot of time, react as if they wouldn't if they were aware they had been. Those who do it intentionally seem to be of the mindset that what is mine is theirs and what is everyone else's is also theirs and that we should either find ways to thwart all of their attempts or simply stand back and take it. [shrugs]

[Cyzarine]

I've got a terribly deformed root chakra though, so I've gotta work on that before I can draw from the earth... :hrmm:

Just don't ever give up. Mt root chakra was horrible and I didn't know how to use it to draw from the earth for years. Thing is...my brother is an earth elementalist and he gave me some good exercises to practice and help heal my chakra. It helped. If you would like I could ask him for some of the exercises?

[Auroro]

That would be most excellent. Thank you.

[9-2-2]

I'm glad the temperature in here dropped. I honestly expected it to get closed, but I'm glad it didn't. :)

There are circles and groups of psi-vamps who seek out the ones who are unaware, and try to educate and awaken them as to who they are and what they're doing. Through teaching and understanding, they instill the unawakened with a sense of ethics of not to drain every damned thing that walks on two legs, how to use their talents efficiently and well, to look to spiritual growth instead of getting a kick, and they act as spiritual mentors.

Granted, some of the newly awakened end up turning into morons who drain anything that moves, but usually if they're taught by the right people, it's less likely to happen. This reminds me of a dabbler I met years ago, who thought the only way to be loved was to force someone's will, and by sticking needles in a pigeon's heart at the stroke of midnight with like, 50 candles burning. Yes, she found roadkill. I'm surprised she didn't get a disease or something. But people like this either aren't aware of a different or better way to do things, or if they ARE aware, then they seem to be in it for kicks or are just being jerks.

[kissesree]

I practice Psi Vampirism as well. There are those who feel threatened. No doubt there are those who abuse the psi powers...but there are those who know how it should be used. There is more to it then just draining energy from a human. The earth gives off more energy then a single human and it is constantly being replenished. There are those of us who quite simply ask before we take...otherwise we take from the replenishable earth energy.Finally someone around here is making sense! Dosent this make more sense than stealing? PROOF!* laughs hysterically*

[kissesree]

What about psi-vamps who aren't aware of what they're doing for years? The ones who have a natural 'talent' for it and make use of it without being aware of it? I don't see anyone mentioning them in here. I'm asking because only recently I've realized what I've been doing for probably my entire life. Whenever I feel tired or sick I'll go talk with someone and come away feeling like a recharged battery. I found that a bit strange when I started having sleepovers, how everyone would drop off to sleep while I felt like staying up forever, but eventually I got used to.

Until recently when I started thinking about it again. I hadn't slept for almost three days and I didn't feel tired. But... my cousin, who I live with, is more tired than usual. And really early this morning I started thinking about her sleeping and I almost felt something happening, like I was reaching out. I slammed walls down instantly and an hour later I was exhausted and ended up sleeping for hours. Coupled with that was a killer headache that started up the instant I got up. Until I went upstairs and talked with my grandma... see now I think I might be a psi-vamp who didn't have to learn it. But now I have to, so that I can learn how to control what I do before I hurt someone.I mentioned people who dont know they do it...... But even when I did it unwittingly, the people around me knew, and helped me learn other ways.

[9-2-2]

Finally someone around here is making sense! Dosent this make more sense than stealing? PROOF!* laughs hysterically*

Calm down. This thread has stopped being a bash-fest so far now, and I don't want it erupting again with that callous remark.


I mentioned people who dont know they do it...... But even when I did it unwittingly, the people around me knew, and helped me learn other ways.

That's better. :thumbsup:

[kissesree]

Sorry, I get a bit over excited.

[Parakeet]

(comment later, need sleep kind of favoriting thread >..>)

[magicr666]

Well, you can consider it wrong to judge all you wish, but I for one do not follow Christian morals and judgement is a very valuable tool. It can warn us of impending danger and can help us to better perceive the world around us. This nonsense about preaching 24/7 open mindedness until your brain falls right out of your skull is ridiculous, and that is my judgement on that.

If people wish to take energy from a doner and thus rely on a co-dependent means of empowerment, let them knock themselves out, I couldn't give a crap. However, if they attempt to steal my energy, then not only do I have the right to judge them as the thieves they are, but I have the right to self-defense, and I see no point in being merciful to those who intentionally seek to do you harm.

They do not, however, need this energy, for as I said in my previous post, all things emit an energy field on their own. They want this energy because like all addictions, it is a matter of feeling that high. It's as simple as that, and people can come up with all sorts of excuses to justify their thievery, but it does not change the fact that they are thieves. Perhaps you should do some actual research, instead of just jumping to the defense of a perceived underdog.

My desire or whether I have or have not ever performed a spell to maim or control another is irrelevant. We are not discussing the transgressions of such, the thread discusses psychic vampirism and attempting to shift the spotlight onto the perceive immorality of others to hide one's own thievery is pathetic.

Shielding oneself is vital, yes, but I'll be damned if people should have to learn it to keep thieves at bay. That's like saying "You shouldn't own anything valuable or you can't blame yourself if you were robbed." Bullshit. Don't put the blame on those who are stolen from when the fault lies with those who stole in the first place. :rolleyes:


You are not understanding what i was trying to say. I'm not saying its right that psi vamps take your energy without asking. What i am saying is most only take from a doner or someone they trust. They don't like to take energy from just anyone, some people have bad energy. I'll i'm saying is not to judge them all cause they are not all the same. That their is good and bad in everything but do you judge a hole group because of one or two people? If you do, you are a very sad and need to open your eyes to the real world around you.

[9-2-2]

You are not understanding what i was trying to say. I'm not saying its right that psi vamps take your energy without asking. What i am saying is most only take from a doner or someone they trust. They don't like to take energy from just anyone, some people have bad energy. I'll i'm saying is not to judge them all cause they are not all the same. That their is good and bad in everything but do you judge a hole group because of one or two people? If you do, you are a very sad and need to open your eyes to the real world around you.

Your post is a bit late... this subject has been beaten to death by horror stories, closed ears, closed eyes, and dare I say closed... or a nicer term, "decided" minds. Intellectual discussions rarely survive anymore without attracting the attention of wild packs of screamers anyway. :nuhuh:

[~Anamorata~]

I take it many of you detest Psi Vampirism? Well, actually, I find it a very suiting lifestyle. I enjoy practicing Psi Vampirism, and we don't take enough to hurt someone when we need a boost, we can make a person sick if we want to, but I'd only do that if they've harmed me in one way or another. Without sapping from others, I am in a constant low field of energy that is hard to get out of, especially with my detest for the taste of coffee... that stuff's just nasty.
:vamp: