Fire-elemental question

[merlo]

Got my thought process in a dither. Would cold be an attribute of fire, in that it is temperature related, an absence of heat? Or would fire only be considered that which is burning and the consumption of a fuel. But by that logic, a refrigerater which runs on electricty (fire), creating coldness, WOULD be an attribute of fire. Yeesh, the things that bother me.... :elf:

[SoulHealer]

Personally I think people try to divide things up to much. The elements have to work together in order to survive so quite often they mix together. I don't hink you can isolate anything in this world

But saying that coldness and heat can both burn so they are connected

[Wiccamagikal]

Yes, I would say they are connected as well.. (Odd thoughts eh!) but yeah!

-I guess it would be a matter of your very own opinion, merlo!
Blessed Be,
Wiccamagikal

[Silver Water]

Depending on the way you look at it, yes they can be connected. Fire burns and ice can burn as well. Although I'll never personally view fire elementals (salamanders) as being able to live in the cold, after all they love the heat of fire and no matter how cold things get, they'll never catch fire.

[Aidron]

Got my thought process in a dither. Would cold be an attribute of fire, in that it is temperature related, an absence of heat? Or would fire only be considered that which is burning and the consumption of a fuel. But by that logic, a refrigerater which runs on electricty (fire), creating coldness, WOULD be an attribute of fire. Yeesh, the things that bother me.... :elf:

Best advice I can give you is that which was once given to me; try not to play six degrees of seperation with your correspondences. Analyze things too much and you'll find more uncertainty than you will clarity.

However, cold would not be an attribute of Fire. For one, the elements can be divided up by their qualities, thanks to the likes of ancient Hellenic philosophers.

Fire is hot and dry. Hot is obvious. Dry? Think about a forest, in dry seasons it is much more likely for a forest to burn down than in wet ones. Also, wet is likened to what? Liquid.

Water is cold and wet. It is the only element known to man (and in this case I am speaking of the periodic table of elements) that possesses a solid heavier than its liquid. What's key about its solid? Cold. It's also at its very core, a liquid, making it wet.

Earth is cold an dry. Sure, moisture is needed for flora to grow, but it varies as to how much is needed. Dig deep into the soil sometime, place your hand inside or take a trip to caverns opened to tourists. Feel that? It's cold. It's also dry. Feel a stone, the bark of a tree, or just the dirty; dry, dry, dry.

Air is hot and wet. Perhaps the most interesting combination to some people as it combines a quality of Fire (hot) and Water (wet). Air carries with it moisture, in fact, look up at a cloudy day and you'll see nothing but moisture (the clouds). Many creatures also create a sort of shield of air around their bodies, warming the air up very close to their bodies, which can vary in temperature from the air everywhere else around them to keep warm.

Electricity, as with the refridgerator, would likely be considered what is a sub-element, something of significance, but that is more often linked to two elements instead of one. In this case, electricity and/or lightning is linked to both Fire and Air, containing Fire's heat and Air's swiftness. Ice is another example, being a solid and cold, meaning it is linked to both the element of Earth for its rigid structure and Water for the cold it holds.

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[merlo]

Best advice I can give you is that which was once given to me; try not to play six degrees of seperation with your correspondences. Analyze things too much and you'll find more uncertainty than you will clarity.

However, cold would not be an attribute of Fire. For one, the elements can be divided up by their qualities, thanks to the likes of ancient Hellenic philosophers.

Fire is hot and dry. Hot is obvious. Dry? Think about a forest, in dry seasons it is much more likely for a forest to burn down than in wet ones. Also, wet is likened to what? Liquid.

Water is cold and wet. It is the only element known to man (and in this case I am speaking of the periodic table of elements) that possesses a solid heavier than its liquid. What's key about its solid? Cold. It's also at its very core, a liquid, making it wet.

Earth is cold an dry. Sure, moisture is needed for flora to grow, but it varies as to how much is needed. Dig deep into the soil sometime, place your hand inside or take a trip to caverns opened to tourists. Feel that? It's cold. It's also dry. Feel a stone, the bark of a tree, or just the dirty; dry, dry, dry.

Air is hot and wet. Perhaps the most interesting combination to some people as it combines a quality of Fire (hot) and Water (wet). Air carries with it moisture, in fact, look up at a cloudy day and you'll see nothing but moisture (the clouds). Many creatures also create a sort of shield of air around their bodies, warming the air up very close to their bodies, which can vary in temperature from the air everywhere else around them to keep warm.

Electricity, as with the refridgerator, would likely be considered what is a sub-element, something of significance, but that is more often linked to two elements instead of one. In this case, electricity and/or lightning is linked to both Fire and Air, containing Fire's heat and Air's swiftness. Ice is another example, being a solid and cold, meaning it is linked to both the element of Earth for its rigid structure and Water for the cold it holds.


Theoretically speaking, In visualizing a change in my environment, what element would I work with to create coldness? I'm still new working with elementals, perhaps I should take a class or something. But I like to figure things out on my own.
Thanks everyone for your input.

[Dio]

Theoretically speaking, In visualizing a change in my environment, what element would I work with to create coldness? I'm still new working with elementals, perhaps I should take a class or something. But I like to figure things out on my own.
Thanks everyone for your input.
I once did some journeys to get to understand each elemental. The one thing I remember specifically from communing with the 'earth' elemental, is how cold I felt. In fact, I couldn't get warm the rest of the night. It was as if it sapped every bit of heat from my body. So, if you want to create coldness, I would suggest looking into the earth elemental.

[Aidron]

Theoretically speaking, In visualizing a change in my environment, what element would I work with to create coldness? I'm still new working with elementals, perhaps I should take a class or something. But I like to figure things out on my own.
Thanks everyone for your input.

Earth (which is cold and dry) or Water (which is cold and wet). It depends on what kind of coldness you'd prefer in this case, a wet cold or a dry cold. A wet cold, for example, would be when it the temperature is quite low and it rains, creating what some refer to as a freezing rain, a sort of middle ground between hail and your average rain fall. A dry cold would be a typical winter in some places, where your lips are chapped and you need to constantly apply lotion to your skin to keep it from drying out as well.