Bad form or am I being childish

[QueendeQrash]

Recently I attended a parade that is predominantly Jewish, representing their faiths up and coming holidays. Now, I understand that parades are a community thing, but one of the participants started to proclaim the "Jesus is the reason for the season". No other xtains floats in the parade did this.
I respect and honor (or atleast try to) all faiths, but I was extremely put off by this.
So, in your opinion, was this proclaimation done in bad form or am I being childish?

[Laiste]

The answer to your question would depend on what exactly the parade was for. Can you give a little more information?

[Myst]

Uhm being as they were supposed to represent their faiths isn't it logical that they should do that? If they feel Jesus is the reason for the season, then...?

[Chibi-Fallon]

Well I don't approve of screaming slogans anyway. I don't how that converts people.
"Mommy I wanna be the religion of the insane screaming man."
People just think they're insane. That's not gonna convert people. If anything it'll scare 'em away. What are people supposed to do? Go "yea Jesus!"?

[Lavender]

It's funny how the guys screaming have no idea how silly they look! :lol: Screaming lunatics are still entitled to their opinion.

[Adrenaline Junkie]

In my opinion, they have a right to do this.

We may not see Jesus as the reason for the season (wow, that rhymes!) but they do.

The only time when I get offended is when they try to literally spoon feed us down our throats.

[QueendeQrash]

The parade started out celebrating the holiday season for the Jewish community. This year, they basically said, " If you can put lights on it, you can join." That I have no problem. There were about 6 other xtain floats, all representing their faith. That I had no problem with that either, I even enjoyed the fact that they were there. They included on their floats symbols of their faith, ex cross, the star, ect.
But, like I said, I was wondering if I was being childish. To me, it was like throwing a pie in the face of your dinner host.

[Lavender]

Well, the guy yelling was being a bit crass, it's up to the people putting on the parade. Personally, I feel the same way you do but then, I'm not a screamer! :rolleyes:

[StormChaser]

Depends.. Would you be pleased if another float in the same parade said " A goddess is the reason for Jesus bein'"
or some other equivilent?

It seems everybody likes their own ticky tacky, in your face, bravado, campaign ad, attention getting slogans and symbols; and they hate everyone elses; especially if it's a good one.

Now I don't think a Jesus banner, or any other religion should be represented in a JEWISH parade. I wouldn't want Straight slogans in a gay rights parade, or Pagan slogans in a Xian parade. But if it's a community parade.. yeah.. then everybody gets to have their minute and a half a of fame.. per block.

If you think you are being childish.. you probably are\were. You have enough sense to question your motives for disgust. That probably means that for the most part, you are perfectly just in your digust. But you probably have a couple bits of bias tossed in it. Watch out for the little green buggers. Take extra care to think over how you feel about such things in the future and ask yourself why.

Seems as though you've got it under control though.

[Angelwulfe]

i always laugh when i see the phrase "jesus is the reason for the season" because it sounds realy corny to me. true he isn't the only thing people celebrate this time of year. but hey thats there thing i have no right to judje.

[StormChaser]

And todays Jesus Slogan is...

"Jesus, Don't leave earth without him"

This just gives me funny imagry of a guy grabbing onto the plastic jesus on his dashboard as gravity decides to let him go...

he clings desperately the the little jesus as his body is lifted and pulled forociously.

He writhes and wiggles.. finally the little jesus snaps of and he cuddles it as he quickly dissappears into the clouds.. a little bit of happy drool dribbling down his gryning chin.

*i'm a sick puppy.. call the vet*

[lucidfire]

kind of silly if you ask me, but I'm as entitled to think that as he is to shout things about Jesus. Not that I mind Jesus, I just think most people that preach his word are hardly martyrs, it's just sillyness to me, to preach the word rather than living it.

you've got to figure though, it's always the Jesus and KKK people that are allowed to peach; rather convenient if you ask me

[StormChaser]

Most people don't have problems with Jesus.. they have problems with his "father" the dead beat dad *who still in my book took advantage of mary* who then sacrificed him to gain back some lost following to prove he had the power.

And i thought the greek myths were tragic and warped.
Hehe
Pagans can preach too.

And as for KKK .. find out about project lemonade! it gets rid of them realllly quick.

[Kaylara]

Originally posted by StormChaser
And todays Jesus Slogan is...

"Jesus, Don't leave earth without him"

This just gives me funny imagry of a guy grabbing onto the plastic jesus on his dashboard as gravity decides to let him go...

he clings desperately the the little jesus as his body is lifted and pulled forociously.

He writhes and wiggles.. finally the little jesus snaps of and he cuddles it as he quickly dissappears into the clouds.. a little bit of happy drool dribbling down his gryning chin.

*i'm a sick puppy.. call the vet*


:rotfl:

Now that is FUNNY.

Kaylara

[Chibi-Fallon]

Whatever happened to the method of just writing SEX in really big letters to get attention? ;) Sometimes the simple ways are the best. Not that the Amish would approve of my method, but it's still simple.

[Myst]

This makes me giggle. Seriously. No offence but it does. What was Christmas for? Before the cards? The presents? The mind altering commercials of shiny toys and robots starting in July? OH YEAH, the BIRTH of JESUS. Jesus is the reason for Christmas. D'oh!

[StormChaser]

Let me think.. What was it before the Birth of JESUS.. OH YEAH.. THE BIRTH OF THE SUN GOD! THE BATTLE BETWEEN THE OAK AND HOLLY KING! THE XIANS wanted to convert ! They used the "look our holidays are close enoug *insert bull crap here.. a little bible revison and POOF* instant converting power.

Mary was born of immaculate birth.. this means HER mom got to do the hanky panky with God.
Then Mary gets told shes knocked up.. In other words.. shes breed.. but doesn't have sex, yet still her virtue is comprimised in this act as it reflects upon her reputation and her standing with her husband.
What makes matters worse.. is that Mary is the Daughter of God and is baring the SON of god.. This makes the whole ordeal.. Incest.
Jesus = b@stard child of a serious case of r@pe between father and daughter.
Yeah.. all hail him.
Right.
And his father the pedophile too.
While we're at it lets kick Mary around cuz she was just there to give birth.. nothing special about her.

But those wise men and that north star.. heck that lil donkey and the drummer boy.. They are important!

[Demeter]

Originally posted by StormChaser


Mary was born of immaculate birth.. this means HER mom got to do the hanky panky with God.
Then Mary gets told shes knocked up.. In other words.. shes breed.. but doesn't have sex, yet still her virtue is comprimised in this act as it reflects upon her reputation and her standing with her husband.
What makes matters worse.. is that Mary is the Daughter of God and is baring the SON of god.. This makes the whole ordeal.. Incest.
Jesus = b@stard child of a serious case of r@pe between father and daughter.
Yeah.. all hail him.
Right.
And his father the pedophile too.
While we're at it lets kick Mary around cuz she was just there to give birth.. nothing special about her.

But those wise men and that north star.. heck that lil donkey and the drummer boy.. They are important!

Well, not quite. Mary's parents were two quite human individuals. What God allegedly did there was remove the Original Sin from her conception, so as to make her pure enough that He could get near her. And then he didn't go near her anyway, just sent the angel Gabriel to whack her with a lily and get her knocked up that way ... That just makes the whole thing weirder, I guess ....

[Myst]

Demeter, you made me giggle.

StormChaser, I don't care what it was called before or after, we're talking about Christmas. Since it's Christmas it's about the birth of Christ, period. If you want to go jumping around going "The Sun God is the reason for Yule" go nuts, but Christmas simply is not.

And let's not forget, the Sun God born to the Goddess at Yule who later becomes her mate and fathers her child who he himself is reborn into next Yule, since we're jumping around talking about incest. And Mary wasn't raped - you don't rape the willing, and she saw it as a great honour. Furthermore, Mary wasn't a child, and God wasn't a pedophile, and I would appreciate it if you didn't disrespect the Christians and other people of this board who find that offensive. Thanks.

[Niamh]

I think you have a right to get offended by it, but I think the person had every right to proclaim what s/he did (I can't remember if it was man or woman at this point!)

For you, it's a matter of personal feeling and opinion. For them it's a matter of freedom of speech and love of their God.

Was it tacky? I don't know, I wasn't there. I can't help you with that. But I can say we all have a right to what we feel.

I also would like to say that I don't think people who do this sort of thing are going out of their way (in general, anyhow) to offend anyone. Just like people who put up green, wart covered witches at Halloween aren't doing it to offend the witches!

[StormChaser]

Lots of none christians celebrate "the season". It kinda irks me when people start talking about "the season" as being all about CHRISTMAS. You know, there's a reason it's been shortened to "the season".. cuz there are a handful of holidays that all fall about the same time for one reason or another they do, and it's the most "family" oriented time of the year.

Furthermore I'd like Mary's point of view on that whole ordeal. From what I read, it looked like her "honor" was told to her after the fact.

Beyond that, I'm sorry you don't appreciate my sense of humor.
I really am an equal opertunity joke maker. I haven't seen cause to go on a pagan\wiccan bashing here yet.. but the first time i see some light airy fairy fluffy bunny white witch crud posted, i'll be glad to lay it down!

My family, aside from my parents, are all christian. so are most of my friends. We get into nice heated arguments all the time regarding issues just like the ones i mentioned. Last i checked these arguements and sharing of thoughts and tossing things across the table were pretty healthy forms of self expression as well as helpful in getting "new" perspective.

I could further explain my last post, but i'm kinda crabby cuz well, i guess I'm a bit tired of playing mrs. nice girl, avoiding and attempting to end battles over differences of opinion and wrongful inferance to other peoples comments. So i'm going to leave what I said alone.. because :razz: thats the blessed bloody mood I'm in. Tough cookies if you don't like it.

Now I'm going to find some food, and the a place to SLEEP cuz i haven't done that in a day or so.

~STormChaser

[Lunamoth]

Let's also not forget that Mary may not have *literally* been a virgin. The Hebrew word used was meant simply as "girl" or something - something to do with her age or status....could have easily been "unwed" come to think of it...now I have to go back and look that up again.....

It's the later interpretations that insist she was never...erm...popped.

Jesus as a teen, to Joseph: "I don't have to listen to you, you're not my REAL dad!"

[StormChaser]

all mythology is open to interpretation, it's those who say mythology is 100% truth that have a hard time handling propositions that their translation may not necessarily be the "correct" nor the "only" possible true meaning.

[Sequoia]

I may get flamed for this, but. . .

What if Mary wasn't the perfect person Christians see her as? This is not intended as an insult, but rather perhaps a "what REALLY happened" thing. . . ^_~ please take this lightheartedly.

Mary made a mistake. This real sexy guy was moseying through town and decided to sweep her off her feet. Now, she was already engaged to Joseph, but. . . well, accidents happen. Hopefully nothing would come of it.

A few months down the line, she realized that she wasn't just having weird periods. Heck, her tummy was sticking out. So, in tears, she started babbling to Joseph about God and angels and mercy and love. . . and somehow this poor guy got all confused. He said "so. . . god. . . had mercy and love? With angels, to you?" and mary, seeing his confusion, had a moment of BRILLIANCE! And immediately told him that yes, an angel had told her about it, from god.

Well she has the kid yadda yadda yadda we all know the story, but how to make it real? She tells Jesus ALL about god and religion, hoping to repent her sins perhaps. And maybe God figured he might as well. So little Jesus grew up hearing about how God was his dad, and how incredibly wonderful God was. . . adn he was a bright little kid. And maybe because of that raising he had True Faith. And he COULD do all that healing stuff, and COULD talk with god. . . I mean, can't EVERYONE talk to god? Prayer, ne? And perhaps, because of his True Faith, he could accomplish miracles like walking on water.

Of course there's always the off chance that he was Schitzophrenic and heard god and the angels talking to him and set up stunts such as walking on water and "healing". . .

But you never know ^_^;

[StormChaser]

Giggles! :T

See thats the difference from a Man's story and a Womans story.

hehe

Oh yeah.. Jesus didn't walk on water hun.. that was Moses

[Sequoia]

Originally posted by StormChaser
Oh yeah.. Jesus didn't walk on water hun.. that was Moses

He didn't? I could've sworn he did. . . . Oh well ^_^; it's a bible miracle, that should be enough for yas! ;)

[Niamh]

Jesus walked on water, Moses parted the waters....

[Myst]

That's why it's a *good* idea to read the Bible or do some research before talking about someone else's beliefs. :D

[StormChaser]

I've read it. Whether I remember it all is another story. it's a big book ya know.

But i don't know why.. oh yeah.. der.. walks on waters, parts waters. thats why i got messed up. My ultimate badness.

Sowwy.

I will admit i do need to pick up the bible again. But then again i could use some brushing up on my celtic mythology first too. *sighs* my mind is NOT what it used to be. hehe. I'm gonna be 40 and not remember my name at this rate *laughs*

[Niamh]

Easter being different every year has to do with the Church calendar. I won't get into it, because I don't have it in front of me :). But the Church year is divided into different parts and runs a little off the regular old calendar.

The Catholic Church's is a little different from the Eastern Orthodox's, so they end up having different Easter's most years.

Most good study Bibles will have an explaination of the Church calendar somewhere in there!

[Demeter]

Easter is the first Sunday after the first full moon after the Vernal Equinox. And if that isn't a pagan way to calculate a date, I don't know what is!

[Nissala]

IMO, this participant was just expressing his feelings for his faith, and/or in what he/she believes. No harm done, everyone has a right to their own opinion :)