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WulfcwenStar
October 13th, 2005, 07:57 AM
Hi
I have a question.
Waht do I do with my broken Hematite ring that broke?
I was wearing my ring and from time to time I placed it with Citrine anad cleansed it in moonlight and insence as well.
A couple of days ago it broke in half I was sitting at the computer and it simply broke.
I have been told that this happens when you no longer need the crystal or it is spent.I have also been informed that you should bury the spent or broken crystal in the soil. others say you should put it away somewhere.
I have never had this hapen before and wondered what is the best thing to do.
Any guidance on this matter would be appreciated.
Autumn Moon

Kalandriel
October 13th, 2005, 07:58 AM
Send it back to earth, give it a burial in the soil. :)

Contra Mundum
October 13th, 2005, 08:12 AM
huh i had the same problem it just broke in half ,well i was slamming my hand against the wall when it happened but still :toofless:
i really don't have a clue as to what you should do with it :whatgives

PoisonIvy
October 13th, 2005, 08:48 AM
Hematite is only a 5 on the hardness scale. It breaks pretty easily. :ggrief:
I guess I'd bury it in the ground.

phoenixblayze
October 13th, 2005, 10:23 AM
i would bury it. if you get another one i would cleanse it monthly, it should last longer that way

Cyzarine
October 13th, 2005, 11:25 AM
Yeah, bury it in the ground. I've had this happen to several hematite rings.

Danustouch
October 13th, 2005, 11:29 AM
That happens to just about every hematite ring i've ever had. When me and my ex boyfriend were going out, and becoming serious, I bought us both hematite rings. Mine broke first, then about 2 weeks later, his broke. I did take it as a bad sign, and We did wind up breaking up a couple months later. I should have buried them, and didn't think of it. And even if I had..his happened at work, and he threw it away.. bah.

Tzhebee
October 13th, 2005, 11:41 AM
I used to love hematite rings...but I couldn't keep them for more than a week or two at a time before they broke. A friend told me that they were absorbing all my stress and that is why they broke so fast. But, mine wouldn't simply break in half, they would break in 5 or 6 pieces.

So, I have a little wooden bowl full of sand from Hawaii, and I "buried" all my pieces to all my rings in that bowl and leave it sitting the shelf of my work desk...along with about 5 large hematite stones.

WulfcwenStar
October 13th, 2005, 11:51 AM
Thank You
I will bury my broken ring and see if I can get another one later on. I used it for my arthritis and it helped my hand a lot. I used to cleanse it monthly I had this ring for about 6 months in total so not bad really from what you have all said.
Thank you for the advice.
Autumn Moon

Astara Seague
October 13th, 2005, 12:01 PM
yes hematite is fragile, and very smart jade does the same sometimes, if and when you get another dont use cold water to cleanse it and a mere dipping should suffice, I use smoke cleansing with my fragiles, with special incense :ghost:

Pesha
October 13th, 2005, 12:07 PM
Well here I am a bit late but....Bury it hun. It has done it's job for you. Carry a small hematite stone with you in a little pouch. When you need the stones affects, take it out and hold it for a bit. and make sure you keep it cleansed as needed.

BB
DS.

Mithrea
October 13th, 2005, 12:53 PM
Hematite is only a 5 on the hardness scale. It breaks pretty easily. :ggrief:
I guess I'd bury it in the ground.

Exactly. I've had five or six and they've all broken

CzechWoods
October 13th, 2005, 07:33 PM
bury it in the earzth :)

Kalandriel
October 13th, 2005, 11:48 PM
bury it in the earzth :)

If CzechWoods says it, then it's so! :)

vikinggoddess
October 14th, 2005, 01:08 AM
I think not all stones break for a bad reason. You can also
super glue it together and continue to use it. I have had some stones break
that were nice.. the donut kind.. I believe that the reason was because
I was supposed to have the stone for myself instead of on a piece for
someone else. I also know of stones being chosen from a pile of stones in a 'random' way only to find later that the stones were a matching fit and we calling to be reunited.

CzechWoods
October 14th, 2005, 08:55 AM
If CzechWoods says it, then it's so! :)

:hehehe: :rotfl:

but many others said it before i could say so

_travolta_

CzechWoods
October 14th, 2005, 09:00 AM
I think not all stones break for a bad reason. You can also
super glue it together and continue to use it. I have had some stones break
that were nice.. the donut kind.. I believe that the reason was because
I was supposed to have the stone for myself instead of on a piece for
someone else. I also know of stones being chosen from a pile of stones in a 'random' way only to find later that the stones were a matching fit and we calling to be reunited.

i believe that a stone that has broken apart (for what ever reason) should NOT be glued together, but given back to mother earth

it has given, it should rest

vikinggoddess
October 14th, 2005, 09:10 AM
i believe that a stone that has broken apart (for what ever reason) should NOT be glued together, but given back to mother earth

it has given, it should rest

I have a chakra wand that was given to me broken. It has a golden healer quartz base. I glued it and wrapped it in silver wire. It has called out to me for use when my daughter was severely ill. after I used the wand, she recovered. So I know at least that this stone agrees with me, since it is still wanting to be used.

The stones are the earths bones. When we break our own bones we set them. We do not give up and become burried. Some stones I agree can be burried, but for a break, where is the logic? All stones that are cut are stones that have been broken. therefore do we burry all cut stones, no we use them with respect.

lightdragon
October 14th, 2005, 11:59 PM
that's the problem with gem rings.:ahhhhhhh: when they absorb a lot of negative energy they break. also they break when you are in areas with high levels of energy. like if you have lots and lots of stones , work in a shop which sells them or high energy levels

wolf
October 15th, 2005, 02:03 AM
I would recommend burying the pieces of the ring, along with some gift of gratitude to the stone for the help it gave to you and the lessons learned through your journey with the stone. The gift can be things as simple as some sage, cornmeal, or even some flower or plant seeds or bulbs (Since it's fall, at least in the northern hemisphere, a bulb might be the way to go).

lightdragon
October 15th, 2005, 11:00 PM
The stones are the earths bones. When we break our own bones we set them. We do not give up and become burried. Some stones I agree can be burried, but for a break, where is the logic? All stones that are cut are stones that have been broken. therefore do we burry all cut stones, no we use them with respect.
this i agree with. would have responded sooner .but was stalking Mol about the site changes.:shot: and missed this.
if the stone absorbed too much negative energy it should be burried. I have a lazer wand quartz that i have glued together hoping one day the two will grow back together again(many years from now).

There's a theory that if two broken pieces of quartz are held togehter for a long time they might grow together.

also what you can do with the pieces is tumble them. I usually do that with my chipped quartz crystals.

CzechWoods
October 16th, 2005, 10:01 PM
I have a chakra wand that was given to me broken. It has a golden healer quartz base. I glued it and wrapped it in silver wire. It has called out to me for use when my daughter was severely ill. after I used the wand, she recovered. So I know at least that this stone agrees with me, since it is still wanting to be used.

The stones are the earths bones. When we break our own bones we set them. We do not give up and become burried. Some stones I agree can be burried, but for a break, where is the logic? All stones that are cut are stones that have been broken. therefore do we burry all cut stones, no we use them with respect.


Well, if stones are earth's bones, and we use a bone of the earth, and it breaks, we should return it to earth so it can GROW TOGWETHER again, so to speak. of course this will take millions of years and we just want it to be done faster, so we might use them in this life time. you are right. probably the very piece will NOT grow together, but it is a symbol of healing. i do see a logic in that.

if you want to compare it to the human body, than pls do the comparison accurately. when our bones break, we do not expect them to work, but will put them to rest until they are healed.

but with earths bones we domnt ?

why ?

i understand your idea that your wand works, so it means that the super glue is no issue. well, this toois only partially true. because the silver wire does the connection, it overcomes sort of the glue barrier.

will not make it right in my book non the less.

more so i have the impression, that the engine powering this idea is called greed or incapability of letting go.

you can do with it whatever you find ok, and accept the consequences.

i will remain in the oppinion, that a stone that has worked for me, and broke, deserves a rest at mother earths womb, and that is what i will do. i also believe that a stone that you use is not YOUR stone. it is borrowed, a gift for a time.

we dont own a stone in my oppinion


as for your point about stones broken appart for cutting etc.

yes we cut stones in pieces and than cut them in shapes. but that is BEFORE we use them.

i would try to stop thinking with the head alone, and start thinking with the heart also.

when working with stones, love and respect is mutual. at least that is my experience

vikinggoddess
October 17th, 2005, 03:02 AM
>Well, if stones are earth's bones, and we use a bone of the earth, and it >breaks, we should return it to earth so it can GROW TOGWETHER again, >so to speak. of course this will take millions of years and we just want it >to be done faster, so we might use them in this life time. you are right. >probably the very piece will NOT grow together, but it is a symbol of >healing. i do see a logic in that.

The real point I believe to burry stones is to discharge or transform energies. Those that have been abused or used for entity extraction should be permanently burried. I know reputable crystal healers who burry the stones in the earth in mesh bags for retrieval after a time, others who believe that the idea of cleansing a stone is human arrogance.

>if you want to compare it to the human body, than pls do the >comparison accurately. when our bones break, we do not expect them to >work, but will put them to rest until they are healed.
>
>but with earths bones we domnt ?

Hence the superglue.

>why ?

Because these stones have come up from the earth to be be loved, appreciated and used.

>i understand your idea that your wand works, so it means that the super >glue is no issue. well, this toois only partially true. because the silver wire >does the connection, it overcomes sort of the glue barrier.

The silver wire energetically binds the crystal into wholeness. The silver wire is not capable to generate the healing on it;s own, therefore the stone still works.

>will not make it right in my book non the less.
>
>more so i have the impression, that the engine powering this idea is >called greed or incapability of letting go.
>
>you can do with it whatever you find ok, and accept the consequences.
>
I am of the opinion that blanket policy for burrying broken stone is superstitious defeatist additude and comparable to euthanasia for elderly. If a stone truely does need and want to be left alone to heal, it is capable to leave at will.

>i will remain in the oppinion, that a stone that has worked for me, and >broke, deserves a rest at mother earths womb, and that is what i will do. >i also believe that a stone that you use is not YOUR stone. it is borrowed, >a gift for a time.
>
>we dont own a stone in my oppinion

I agree that ownership of sentiant being is incorrect. That is why I do not make judgement to end the working life of a stone prematurely based on what I believe as superstition.

>as for your point about stones broken appart for cutting etc.
>
>yes we cut stones in pieces and than cut them in shapes. but that is >BEFORE we use them.

It does not matter when they are cut. If you agree that it okay to cut a stone without wronging a stone, then it does not make sence that they cannot be broken again without wronging them later on. These were all broken after they were cut and before they were used.
http://www.chinesetherapeutics.org/images/IM001961.JPG

>i would try to stop thinking with the head alone, and start thinking with >the heart also.

I would try to stop being judgemental of other people who do not share the same opinion. I realize that you have many followers here who believe all that you say in regard to stone medicine, and I appreciate your sharing. But I do not recognize that you are capable to have the correct answer at each turn, especially in regard to the knowing of my motivation and basis of my thinking.

>when working with stones, love and respect is mutual. at least that is my >experience

I think this is correct.

CzechWoods
October 17th, 2005, 07:15 PM
[QUOTE=vikinggoddess]


although pictures can only roughly reproduce the condition of stones, the picture does speak for itself. the stones look very spent, exhausted, but who am i to critisize you and your using policies anyway.

i know, my posts sound judgemental, while your comparing of me and the nazi practise of euthanisation of eldery people is perfectly fine from your point of view

i also understand the resentments you feel towards my understanding of the mineral world.

i do not pressure you to believe me one word i say or write, all i did hope for was you opening to the needs of the stones

obviously i failed in this matter.

at least, i have tried anyway.

peace along your paths, vikinggoddess
:elf:

vikinggoddess
October 17th, 2005, 07:48 PM
>although pictures can only roughly reproduce the condition of stones, >the picture does speak for itself. the stones look very spent, exhausted,

I believe it is better to go with you first impressions.
http://www.mysticwicks.com/showthread.php?t=110531
"as for vikinggoddess: nice friend you have !! indeed "

>but who am i to critisize you and your using policies anyway.

Exactly.

>i know, my posts sound judgemental, while your comparing of me and >the nazi practise of euthanisation of eldery people is perfectly fine from >your point of view

It is the simply the conclusion that follows in a discussion of analogy between stones as the bones of mother earth and the bones of a human being.

>i also understand the resentments you feel towards my understanding of >the mineral world.

No, I do not feel resentment for your understanding. I simply have some different ideas from you. As I said, lappreciate your sharing. I hope that you will continue to share. I am interested to learn the way how you choose stones for others, and I hope that as we all continue to share and learn from each other, this will be for the highest good of all.

>i do not pressure you to believe me one word i say or write, all i did hope >for was you opening to the needs of the stones

Yes, however I do not appreciate the judgement upon myself or others whose thoughtful ideas are different from your own in regards to the care of stones.

>obviously i failed in this matter.
>at least, i have tried anyway.

Yes I believe you have lost the argument when you attacked my integrity and motivations rather than continuing with your position.

>peace along your paths, vikinggoddess

blessings
vg

CzechWoods
October 17th, 2005, 08:15 PM
>although pictures can only roughly reproduce the condition of stones, >the picture does speak for itself. the stones look very spent, exhausted,

I believe it is better to go with you first impressions.
http://www.mysticwicks.com/showthread.php?t=110531
"as for vikinggoddess: nice friend you have !! indeed "

>but who am i to critisize you and your using policies anyway.

Exactly.

>i know, my posts sound judgemental, while your comparing of me and >the nazi practise of euthanisation of eldery people is perfectly fine from >your point of view

It is the simply the conclusion that follows in a discussion of analogy between stones as the bones of mother earth and the bones of a human being.

>i also understand the resentments you feel towards my understanding of >the mineral world.

No, I do not feel resentment for your understanding. I simply have some different ideas from you. As I said, lappreciate your sharing. I hope that you will continue to share. I am interested to learn the way how you choose stones for others, and I hope that as we all continue to share and learn from each other, this will be for the highest good of all.

>i do not pressure you to believe me one word i say or write, all i did hope >for was you opening to the needs of the stones

Yes, however I do not appreciate the judgement upon myself or others whose thoughtful ideas are different from your own in regards to the care of stones.

>obviously i failed in this matter.
>at least, i have tried anyway.

Yes I believe you have lost the argument when you attacked my integrity and motivations rather than continuing with your position.

>peace along your paths, vikinggoddess

blessings
vg


i dont see a contradiction between my posts about your nice stones and the fact that your malachite, and fluorite (just as examples) look exhausted - or in a poor condition. stones can be nice and in a bad condition at the same time

if your ego needs the caresses of having "won and argument" go ahead.

whatever makes you feel good

lightdragon
October 17th, 2005, 08:32 PM
>i know, my posts sound judgemental, while your comparing of me and >the nazi practise of euthanisation of eldery people is perfectly fine from >your point of view

It is the simply the conclusion that follows in a discussion of analogy between stones as the bones of mother earth and the bones of a human being.


VG I think you should have used a better anology.

Also how often to do you recharge your crystals? or the very least give them a rest.

vikinggoddess
October 17th, 2005, 08:39 PM
>i dont see a contradiction between my posts about your nice stones and >the fact that your malachite, and fluorite (just as examples) look >exhausted - or in a poor condition. stones can be nice and in a bad >condition at the same time

Yes I was allowed to choose freely of these, because they were indeed broken and otherwise would have been thrown away by a stone dealer. However I was and am able to appreciate these stones with out judgement as to their superficial characteristics, but rather their intrinsic nature and qualities which cannot be destroyed.

>if your ego needs the caresses of having "won and argument" go ahead.
>whatever makes you feel good

:artist:
:rubhead:

vikinggoddess
October 17th, 2005, 08:51 PM
VG I think you should have used a better anology.

Also how often to do you recharge your crystals? or the very least give them a rest.
I do not believe there is a more fitting analogy in this line of parallel reasoning.

I have been recharging my crystals in either sunlight or next to salt water fountain after each use, or for necklaces about once a week. I also regulary rotate stones thru my selenite crystal. I am reconsidering this practice after a discussion with one of my crystal medicine friends who believes that the idea that stones need to be recharged is human arrogance. I have not had the opportunity to discuss this more as I was flabergasted to hear this unorthodox assertation, and am still considering the implications. However, even if I were to become persuaded of this idea, I would still take stones out into every lightening storm. I would never dare to suggest to do anything but burry a stone that had been used for intrusive entity extraction.

wolf
October 17th, 2005, 09:13 PM
I think all of us would do well to listen to what Czechwoods has to say on the matter of the stone people.

He speaks to them, and they to him, with a clarity that I honor.

Thank you, as always, Czechwoods, for your insights.

lightdragon
October 17th, 2005, 10:05 PM
I do not believe there is not a more fitting analogy in this line of parallel reasoning..
I do.


I have been recharging my crystals in either sunlight or next to salt water fountain after each use, or for necklaces about once a week. I also regulary rotate stones thru my selenite crystal. I am reconsidering this practice after a discussion with one of my crystal medicine friends who believes that the idea that stones need to be recharged is human arrogance. I have not had the opportunity to discuss this more as I was flabergasted to hear this unorthodox assertation, and am still considering the implications. However, even if I were to become persuaded of this idea, I would still take stones out into every lightening storm. I would never dare to suggest to do anything but burry a stone that had been used for intrusive entity extraction.

when i recharged stones in salt water or just water i felt a difference in them.They felt more powerful. Sometimes you don`t need to cleanse a stone once a week or even twice a day or after each use.]

vikinggoddess
October 17th, 2005, 10:16 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by vikinggoddess
I do not believe there is a more fitting analogy in this line of parallel reasoning..


I do.

If you are able to share a more fitting analogy than I challenge you to do so.

lightdragon
October 17th, 2005, 10:16 PM
I think all of us would do well to listen to what Czechwoods has to say on the matter of the stone people.

He speaks to them, and they to him, with a clarity that I honor.

Thank you, as always, Czechwoods, for your insights.There is no one that I know of that is the be all and end all of gemstones.Not even Czechwoods. Czechwoods has excellent input and experience and to follow his approach to dealing with crystals is but one path. What might be right for Czechwoods might not be right for you.What is right for me might not be right for you. Most of the stuff Czechwoods told me i am in agreement in.

Either listen to him or ignore him, but please don`t insult him. I believe that is what you meant Wolf.

and lastly Thank you Czechwoods for you input. I am looking forward to your next posts.

lightdragon
October 17th, 2005, 10:27 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by vikinggoddess
I do not believe there is a more fitting analogy in this line of parallel reasoning..



If you are able to share a more fitting analogy than I challenge you to do so.
first of all abandoning the stones will not cause them to die. especially if they are buried. the pieces will be just recharged although still unusable. Again they will not die. if you abandon an old person like that they will die.
A more fitting analogy is putting a broken toy in the toychest and leaving it there.

vikinggoddess
October 17th, 2005, 10:56 PM
>There is no one that I know of that is the be all and end all of >gemstones.Not even Czechwoods. Czechwoods has excellent input and >experience and to follow his approach to dealing with crystals is but one >path. What might be right for Czechwoods might not be right for you.What >is right for me might not be right for you. Most of the stuff Czechwoods >
>told me i am in agreement in.

That is true that there is no be all end all. We all have to use our own minds to think freely to come to a proper decision.

>Either listen to him or ignore him, but please don't insult him. I believe that i>s what you meant Wolf.

I have listened to Czechwoods and responded in a respectful manner. If you are capable to understand the logical reasoning behind my statement in comparision of burrying broken stones as the sentiant bones of the earth to the burrying of sick elderly as euthanasia, then you will understand that I was I was responding to the following request: "if you want to compare it to the human body, than pls do the comparison accurately. " I apologize to Czech woods if you were feeling insulted by this. I do recognize that Czech woods is thinking this practice he chooses is more like death with dignity and the stone would like to be burried, but I do not agree with this reasoning. I also do not judge him for his practice, but I am allowed to have my opinion and share also. I believe my stones would be insulted and feel euthanized if I burried them.

Furthermore I myself feel insulted that I was suggested to be motivated by greed in my practices in the following statement: "more so i have the impression, that the engine powering this idea is called greed or incapability of letting go." I am very sharing with stones and give them freely to those in need with out care for payment, as I am understanding that with holding of medicine for lack of money is a form of black mail. However, inspite of this insult as well as suggestion that I have of a sort of jealosy or envy for Czechwoods mineral knowledge as well as an ego imbalance, I do not feel angry about this. Again here I will say that I do appreciate sharing and discussion, but without judgements directed at myself.

So Light Dragon I will ask you only to think back to this moment the next time someone tells you that you are wrong, and that they know that it is because the motivation of your heart is lacking, or that your greed allows you to show no reciprocity, or some other falsity that you know to be untrue.

Enjoy,
VG

vikinggoddess
October 17th, 2005, 11:07 PM
>first of all abandoning the stones will not cause them to die. especially if >they are buried. the pieces will be just recharged although still unusable. >Again they will not die. if you abandon an old person like that they will die.

Ok.. burried alive.
How do you explain the difference between recharged versus unusable? Unusable by whom and based on what reasoning?

>A more fitting analogy is putting a broken toy in the toychest and leaving it >there

This is not accurate because a toy is not alive.

lightdragon
October 18th, 2005, 01:31 AM
>Either listen to him or ignore him, but please don't insult him. I believe that i>s what you meant Wolf.

I have listened to Czechwoods and responded in a respectful manner.

Did you. By implictly calling him a nazi? Since when did he kill 6 million jews.





I apologize to Czech woods if you were feeling insulted by this. I do recognize that Czech woods is thinking this practice he chooses is more like death with dignity and the stone would like to be burried, but I do not agree with this reasoning. I also do not judge him for his practice, but I am allowed to have my opinion and share also. I believe my stones would be insulted and feel euthanized if I burried them.
I went back and reviewed what Czechwoods wrote. He meant that the stones will eventually be healed and fixed over a long period of time. He is not suggesting to burry a stone that has died.



Furthermore I myself feel insulted that I was suggested to be motivated by greed in my practices in the following statement: "more so i have the impression, that the engine powering this idea is called greed or incapability of letting go."

I am sorry you felt this way. He was expressing his opinion. I don`t agree with it, but that is his opinion.



I am very sharing with stones and give them freely to those in need with out care for payment, as I am understanding that with holding of medicine for lack of money is a form of black mail. However, inspite of this insult as well as suggestion that I have of a sort of jealosy or envy for Czechwoods mineral knowledge as well as an ego imbalance, I do not feel angry about this. Again here I will say that I do appreciate sharing and discussion, but without judgements directed at myself.
This i have to agree with you



So Light Dragon I will ask you only to think back to this moment the next time someone tells you that you are wrong, and that they know that it is because the motivation of your heart is lacking, or that your greed allows you to show no reciprocity, or some other falsity that you know to be untrue.


. You have to learn to develop a thicker skin. IMO Czechwoods shouldn`t have been so critical and said this,but you should have been bigger than he is and ignore it.

lightdragon
October 18th, 2005, 01:46 AM
>first of all abandoning the stones will not cause them to die. especially if >they are buried. the pieces will be just recharged although still unusable. >Again they will not die. if you abandon an old person like that they will die.

Ok.. burried alive.
How do you explain the difference between recharged versus unusable? Unusable by whom and based on what reasoning?.
What I meant was that the stone pieces burried will be recharged,but still unusuable because the pieces were broken. My method of fixing the matter is by tumbling the pieces to make two or more new stones. I reread Czechwoods statement and his method is to bury the stones and let the earth reair them over many years to make them usuable. I did not think of gluing the pieces together would make them usuable. Since you had experience with this method i would consider that as valid.let me know if this explaination is not enough.



>
>A more fitting analogy is putting a broken toy in the toychest and leaving it >there

This is not accurate because a toy is not alive.
i agree, but IMO I feel it is more fitting than what you wrote.

Pesha
October 18th, 2005, 02:16 AM
So sad that this argument takes place in a forum for enlightenment. Secondly, I am of Jewish birth and find the analogy that was used to be quite distasteful. Another, I am sure could have been chosen. I will presume we are all here to learn. So we must allow for others opinions.

Sorry, I just felt I needed to say this. My empathic senses are very tender right now. I am ill you see.

I hope we can get past all of this disagreement and go on to learn and grow.

BB
DS.

vikinggoddess
October 18th, 2005, 08:56 AM
>Did you. By implictly calling him a nazi? Since when did he kill 6 million >jews.

I did not implictitly call Czech woods a nazi. He made that conclusion. To implicity call him a Nazi, I would have compared his practice with Genoside.

I believe you should review euthanasia in it's more commonly understood context. See the following
"The word Euthanasia originated from the Greek language: eu means "good" and thanatos means "death". One meaning given to the word is "the intentional termination of life by another at the explicit request of the person who dies." 2 That is, the term euthanasia normally implies that the act must be initiated by the person who wishes to commit suicide. However, some people define euthanasia to include both voluntary and involuntary termination of life. Like so many moral/ethical/religious terms, "euthanasia" has many meanings. The result is mass confusion." For further clarification you may go to the following link:
http://www.religioustolerance.org/euth1.htm


>I went back and reviewed what Czechwoods wrote. He meant that the >stones will eventually be healed and fixed over a long period of time. He >is not suggesting to burry a stone that has died.

I am aware of this, that is why in reply to you I said more like buried alive, which is actually even more distasteful to me, however I did not choose to use this analogy.

>I am sorry you felt this way. He was expressing his opinion. I don`t agree >with it, but that is his opinion.

ditto

>This i have to agree with you

righto

>You have to learn to develop a thicker skin. IMO Czechwoods shouldn`t >have been so critical and said this,but you should have been bigger than >he is and ignore it.

No I do not need to develop thicker skin. I need to continue to speak my truth, and if neccessary defend myself when under attack. I am not a groupie who needs to play along with everything as though I agree, and allow myself to be insulted. My intention in further clarification was not at all to escalate insults, but rather to make understanding of my perspective which was labeled as greedy.

Again I will challenge you to publicly come to the aid of member who are under personal attack without bias if you feel so strongly the we should not be critical of one another's belief systems. Such a response would have allevieated my feeling of having to defend my own self.

vikinggoddess
October 18th, 2005, 09:09 AM
>What I meant was that the stone pieces burried will be recharged,but still >unusuable because the pieces were broken. My method of fixing the >matter is by tumbling the pieces to make two or more new stones. I reread >Czechwoods statement and his method is to bury the stones and let the >earth reair them over many years to make them usuable. I did not think of >gluing the pieces together would make them usuable. Since you had >experience with this method i would consider that as valid.let me know if >this explaination is not enough.

I like the idea to tumble the pieces to make new smooth stones, however I don't believe it is necessary. I also found the idea of super glue to be distasteful innitially, however it was suggested to me (as well as weld-bond glue) by a well regarded veteran shamanic crystal healer of 35 years. Wrapping further in wire makes a complete circuit such that the stone pieces are in contact and communication with each other as a unit.

>i agree, but IMO I feel it is more fitting than what you wrote.

It is more fitting if for the sake of argument say that these toys have a secret life of their own. In this case you can think of Jessi, the abandoned toy cow girl in the movie 'Toy Story II' or Woody with his broken arm. You will recall that Jessi was devestated to be given away by her owner, and Woody was frantic that his owner would no longer want to play with him because he had a broken arm. In the end Woody's owner lovingly repaired him, and their relationship continued happily.

vikinggoddess
October 18th, 2005, 09:16 AM
So sad that this argument takes place in a forum for enlightenment. Secondly, I am of Jewish birth and find the analogy that was used to be quite distasteful. Another, I am sure could have been chosen. I will presume we are all here to learn. So we must allow for others opinions.

Sorry, I just felt I needed to say this. My empathic senses are very tender right now. I am ill you see.

I hope we can get past all of this disagreement and go on to learn and grow.

BB
DS.

I apologize if this analogy was offensive to you also. I regret that I was not clever enough to think Toy Story analogy with out the help of Light Dragon.

CzechWoods
October 18th, 2005, 12:11 PM
quod errad demonstrandum

Pesha
October 18th, 2005, 05:10 PM
I apologize if this analogy was offensive to you also. I regret that I was not clever enough to think Toy Story analogy with out the help of Light Dragon.


No worries.....:hugz:

BB
DS.

lightdragon
October 18th, 2005, 09:13 PM
No I do not need to develop thicker skin. I need to continue to speak my truth, and if neccessary defend myself when under attack..
I still think you need to develop a thicker skin that's my opinion and I have a right to express that as well. I however do not think this as an insult, if so then I am sorry. The rest of this statement i agree with as well. like Dragonsinger i am of jewish descent (actually part,I`m a mutt)and have the same opinon as DS. I was trying not use that.



Again I will challenge you to publicly come to the aid of member who are under personal attack without bias if you feel so strongly the we should not be critical of one another's belief systems. Such a response would have allevieated my feeling of having to defend my own self.
I have to decline . See above for the reasons.

vikinggoddess
October 18th, 2005, 10:18 PM
>I still think you need to develop a thicker skin that's my opinion and I >have a right to express that as well. I however do not think this as an >insult, if so >then I am sorry.

You have already expressed this opinion which I have disagreed with, but I have not judged or attacked you for having it. Nor have I publicly questioned your motivations for this opinion. I also have not suggested that you do not have the right to share this opinion.

>The rest of this statement i agree with as well. like
>Dragonsinger i am of jewish descent (actually part,I`m a mutt)and have >the same opinon as DS. I was trying not use that.

I am glad to know that your skin is moderately thick.

>I would I have to decline . See above for the reasons.

Then I have no expectation of support from you if myself or any other members find ourselves under personal attack and judgment for our practices and opinions.

~Viking Goddess. (Fire Dragon)

lightdragon
October 18th, 2005, 10:36 PM
Then I have no expectation of support from you if myself or any other members find ourselves under personal attack and judgment for our practices and opinions.

~Viking Goddess. (Fire Dragon)
that depends on the situtation. To keep it simple, i was in agreement with you from the begining. It was until the nazi subject came up then i interveined.

vikinggoddess
October 19th, 2005, 08:10 AM
that depends on the situtation. To keep it simple, i was in agreement with you from the begining. It was until the nazi subject came up then i interveined.

I regret that I must again clarify that I did not bring up nazism. I brought up euthanasia in the context of physician-assisted suicide, which is actually legal in some cases in Belguim. The most commonly understood definition of euthanasia is mercy killing of animal or human in a painless way to end their physical suffering. The Nazis bastardized this term in its application to systematic murder of disabled people. This is not true euthanasia, but rather with in it's historical context was simply propoganda facilitating genocide. It is recognized by scholars that Nazi's tainted this word with their lies, and that what they practiced was not euthanasia according to it's definition; its Greek root being "good death"

Contra Mundum
October 19th, 2005, 10:20 AM
dear god this thread is about broken hematite rings and here you are all fighting about nazis.
back to the subject.
i bought 10 hematite rings and now i only got 8 left ,two broke on the first day, can you imagine ?
*spreads some love ,calm ,and peace in this thread*

vikinggoddess
October 19th, 2005, 11:22 AM
I think for wearing hematite and jade on the extremities then it is probably better to go for it in bead form on bracelets or anklets.

Contra Mundum
October 19th, 2005, 11:33 AM
yeah because those rings just don't work !!
everytime i get one it breaks the same day.

wolf
October 19th, 2005, 11:36 AM
I can't even touch them to begin with, so I don't bother.

SkySilver
October 19th, 2005, 06:24 PM
:nuhuh: Yeah... I remember when my hematite ring broke... I loved that ring...

That happened a while ago... and it never occured to me that it was the negative energy that made it happen. Glad I bumped into this thread. :)

lightdragon
October 19th, 2005, 08:17 PM
yeah because those rings just don't work !!
everytime i get one it breaks the same day.
you must be in some heavy negative environment or high use of energy. Those are the only two reasons i know of that will break these rings. I have high energy in my area so i would never buy gem ring unless i need the ring for spell work and i couldn`t get a tumbled piece. Here's a suggestion. Take the remaining eight and make them part of a necklace or bracelet.

Contra Mundum
October 20th, 2005, 09:50 AM
you must be in some heavy negative environment or high use of energy. Those are the only two reasons i know of that will break these rings. I have high energy in my area so i would never buy gem ring unless i need the ring for spell work and i couldn`t get a tumbled piece. Here's a suggestion. Take the remaining eight and make them part of a necklace or bracelet.
well i heard that they absorb stress that could be a reason that they break so fast .:confused:
my sister wore it for a few hours and it broke.:woah:
thanks for the suggestion i will try it out :smoochypo

CzechWoods
October 20th, 2005, 07:34 PM
thanks to everyone for coming back to the topic of this thread

I very much agree with Lightdragon,, that if you experience that every stone ring breaks on your hand, than better wear them instead of doughnut shaped pendants on a lace around your neck.

if you cleanse your hematite before and after each use though, the breaking of the ring is less a danger.

However, if the need for hematite is to high, I again agree with lightdragon, they are likely to break more easily.

so, the necklace thing should be your better call.

Ire
November 12th, 2005, 07:52 PM
I broke mine as well....well it cracked first but the ring didnt fall apart. Then it broke when I was slamming the car door and I lost the one part of it. Now i am wearing another one. It is pretty much stuck on my finger, and it is very hard to take off. I feel I really need the ring right now.

Shasta
November 13th, 2005, 01:56 AM
mine broke about 2 days ago after a couple months of wearing it every day. kinda worried me, just cause it really just broke seemingly by itself at work, i duno how it happened.

lightdragon
November 13th, 2005, 07:31 PM
Don`t mean to toot my own horn. But i really think someone should try it my way and see what happens. hell just wear one ring around your neck. See what happens._wiz_