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Mouse
October 14th, 2005, 06:35 AM
*rests head on monitor* I kinda have a lot on my mind right now. I don't know what to do or even if i should do anything. I don't know if i want to ask for energy or if i want advice, but i think i just need to let it out of my mind. *shakes head* I just am so lost.

As some of you already know, my mum has cancer. She is dying. (15+ tumors in her liver, they have not found the primary cancer, and there's a huge chance that they never will). I've had enough time that I can say it and not cry. The chemo is working very very slowly. The tumors have stoped mulitplying and growing, but they are not shrinking either. I've got mum drinking Essiac tea, and i'm useing spells and reiki. I visit mum between 2 and 5 times a day to get her to drink her "jungle juice" (as she calls it) because when i made it the first time she kept finding excuses not to take it. (and we think that her "all witchcraft, all herb-lore is evil" boyfriend is influencing that choice).
The doctor wants to stop giving her chemo because it is damaging her heart and he is certain it is a waste of resorces because she will still die. They can't oparate.

So I keep trying. I don't know if the godde wants her to die. I think this might be true. She had cancer before and won... But she took up smoking again, and drinking, and didn't make an effort to LIVE even though she had a second chance. I'm thinking maybe that was the test. Could she have blown her chance?

I went over there tonight, like every night. I noticed she was having a beer. and to my credit i didnt say anything. Everyone is prolly thinking "but it's just one beer, what's the big deal?" so i'd better explain. 1) She has liver cancer. 2) she only has half a liver becuase they cut the other half out when she had the first lot of cancer. 3) she had chemo yesterday and even though the doc never said she can't drink with it i'm damn sure that it wont mix with the anti-nausea pills she has to take for the few days after chemo. 4) Drinking erases the effect of the essiac tea. 5) I had a less than great childhood which has a lot to do with her drinking. But still I was determined i would not say anything.

Mum mentioned it and i'm like "that's ok, but i'd rather not talk about it". I thougth she would leave it at that, but she didnt, she kept comming back to the subject. So I tried to leave, to avoid the argument becuase I could tell she was already feeling the effect of her "one beer" (and in my experience she never has one). So she Grabbed on to me, forced me to sit down, and kept at it. I tried to remain calm but ti didnt work out that way.

She's getting louder and louder, saying shit like "your just parranoid, you need to be more open minded and let go of your fear of drinking" and "I should be aloud to have a beer, i'm going to die might as well enjoy myself"
I'm going "you might be dieing but there is no need to hurry it along, but i really don't want to talk about it. Its fine. one beer is fine, yes i understand"
Mum likes to argue, more than i do, which is saying something because i really enjoy a good debate. She keeps at it. So i cracked. I told her why I had a problem with her drinking. I reminded her of all the times she hit us kids, I asked her how often did she knock my sister unconcious.. how often did bec go to school with scratches from mums rings across her face?, how many times did mum ask my permission to kill bec? What about not having food because mum wanted her smokes and booze? (there was always food for me because i was "special needs" with my alergies, but bec wasn't aloud to touch it. i was the fav kid) All the psycho things she did when she has "one or two beers" or worse, wine. Gods, I'm so afraid of her when she drinks wine, I wont even have wine in my house now, not even ritual wine.
And she denied it. said she never hit bec because she always missed. She never hit either one of us kids. Two weeks ago she had a big talk with me and apologised for all the shit she put me through and was begging me not to judge other people who drink from her behaviour. a week before that she apologised to bec, for everything she put her through (which was 100 times worse than mum ever did to me). But tonight because someone else was there (her bf) she denys it.
He steped in and defended her! he wasn't even in our lives until after bec moved out.

She used really personal things against me. The cutting, my one and only suiside attempt. My running away from home. When i ran away i left a letter for her. I said i'd move back in if she stopped drinking. (we had a big fight the night before, so i called around and organised a place to stay and the next moring i left before she woke up) She denied being drunk that night, denied throwing shit at me, screming like a banshee and acusing me of sleeping around. And i'm like "how is my cutting nearly as bad as your drinking and bashing the shit out of your kids?" Telling me im demented, imagining all the things that happened when we were young. im lying making it all up.
There was a lot of yelling. I'm saying to her "I'm trying to help save your life!" Troy is going "you can't save anyone with cancer" In his sepirior tone. and mums like "well now you wont have to try, because you don't have a mother" Disowned me, just like that.

Do i keep trying? keep going with the spells and the jungle jucie, cleaning her house, trying to cheer her up and encorage her to keep going? It seems like she wants to give up.

My heart hurts.

And i know that she might not even "remember" this fight tomorrow. she'll ring me up and pretend nothing happened. Or she'll call all my family and friends and tell them about her bitch of a daughter and how she's glad to be rid of me. (mum is predictable)

Intelectually i know why she does these things. But it still hurts. I'm really trying. I'm trying so hard to help. She said she wants my help. I'm so tired. I tryed really hard. I'm crying. Now i think it is me who needs help.

Thankyou for listening.

BrigidMoon
October 14th, 2005, 07:02 AM
As for the bf. It sounds like you two don't get along much. If you don't respect his opinions, then, ignore his advice. It's hard to not let him get to you but he knows when he can (the hints I got from your post), so he pushes your buttons it seems. Just simply ignore him when he gets self righteous like that. He obviously doesn't know what he's talking about if he's defending your mom when he was not in the picture.

Moms can be interesting. I have mom that seems to think after a disagreement or uncomfortable situation she can just call me back and it's "all good", you know?

I feel she overreacted and said somethings she didn't mean. And man does it hurt when that happens. I'm sorry your mom continues to in some shape or form abuse you. Even though that wasn't a physical attack, it was an emotional one.

I feel that if you stopped trying, you'd feel guilty. I don't think you should stop trying to make her drink the tea, give the reiki etc.

ou cannot make her not drink and you cannot make her admit to her wrongdoings. But I'm really glad you got it off your chest and told her after all this time. I hope that in and of itself does make you feel relieved that it's not locked up inside anymore.



I'm sorry you have to go through this. It isn't an easy thing to watch a parent suffer. _pounce_

Mouse
October 14th, 2005, 07:12 AM
Thankyou.

I get along with him most of the time. When he isn't having an episode he is usually ok (he's skizofrenic, and i can't spell it. lol). It just got to me tonight because he has been on the receiving end of mum's crap sometimes and knows she isn't exactly ... uh.. stable. I didnt expect him to defend me, but i would have prefered it if he kept out of it. It's true he makes my teeth itch sometimes though because he thinks i'm evil, and all that.

I'm not sure if i would feel guilty about giving up if i did, my mind changes often about that. I've though for a while that i might be waisting the effort. I know it comes time for people to die, and that they must go, there is a pourpose, but then i think "well i should at least soften the passing". It sounds silly, but I worry my goddess will think less of me if i give up.

BrigidMoon
October 14th, 2005, 07:36 AM
Thankyou.

I get along with him most of the time. When he isn't having an episode he is usually ok (he's skizofrenic, and i can't spell it. lol). It just got to me tonight because he has been on the receiving end of mum's crap sometimes and knows she isn't exactly ... uh.. stable. I didnt expect him to defend me, but i would have prefered it if he kept out of it. It's true he makes my teeth itch sometimes though because he thinks i'm evil, and all that.

I'm not sure if i would feel guilty about giving up if i did, my mind changes often about that. I've though for a while that i might be waisting the effort. I know it comes time for people to die, and that they must go, there is a pourpose, but then i think "well i should at least soften the passing". It sounds silly, but I worry my goddess will think less of me if i give up.

_pounce_

At least she will pass knowing you love and care for her and didn't give up on her even when she tested you.

I don't think your goddess will think less of you at all.

Maybe ease back and bit and take a breather...do something for yourself!

:elf:

Kalandriel
October 14th, 2005, 07:51 AM
You sound like a strong person. :hugz:

Beneath all of the bad things, and the boyfriend, etc.. she is still your mother, so helping her out isn't a bad idea. It is a nice thing to ease the passing.

I don't have a good relationship with my mother (or her husband, grr)... but I always call her on days of significance. I guess it's a deep ingrown motherly respect thing. :)

Mouse
October 14th, 2005, 07:54 AM
*smiles* I'll keep that in mind.
Dispite everything we have always been a close family, and i love her so very much. I can't respect her though, but i wish i could.

Thankyou both very much for the advice.

Kalandriel
October 14th, 2005, 08:03 AM
I understand the not respecting thing..

Like.. with my mother.. I don't really like her, and I don't think she's a good person. And I guess I don't really respect her either, so much as that I just respect the fact that she is my mother, so I keep in contact. :)

Mouse
October 14th, 2005, 08:05 AM
*hugs* that makes scence. :)

wolfos3d
October 14th, 2005, 08:20 AM
Sorry I'm not to good at advice, but I think you should keep trying to help her. Make sure you do something for yourself so you don't get to down as well.

Malcolm
October 14th, 2005, 09:24 AM
I'm thinking maybe that was the test. Could she have blown her chance?

It sucks, but maybe.

I read your post,and I have to say your a better person than I. I had a similar period in my childhood with one of my mothers husbands (theres been a few). Its tough and I never forgave him. In fact if I saw him now that I'm older I'd kick the shit out of him on principle alone. I admire the fact that you can forgive yourmom, but I wouldn't do it anymore. Sounds like you've done your part as well as you can. She sounds like she wants to die, and thats why you will never be able to help her.

Sometimes you just have to walk away.

Mouse
October 14th, 2005, 09:43 AM
Thankyou both.

Malcolm, that's basically what my S.O said too when i mentioned it to him, and i apreciate your honesty.

I really apreciate everyone's support with this. I feel like i'll never stop crying inside.

BrigidMoon
October 14th, 2005, 10:07 AM
Thankyou both.

Malcolm, that's basically what my S.O said too when i mentioned it to him, and i apreciate your honesty.

I really apreciate everyone's support with this. I feel like i'll never stop crying inside.


:heartthro :heartthro :heartthro _pounce_

LadyTrinity
October 14th, 2005, 10:18 AM
Your a good daughter for trying to help your mom. Its only natural. Dispite what she says to make you made or make you feel guilty, you still love her and want her in your life.
I think the fact that you are giving her herbal remedies to see how they can help really shows that you care and want to help.
Your mom probably see's that and knows you mean well and that you love her. As much as your going through.. your mom is going through alot too. Sit down with her when her bf isnt around and have a mother daughter talk. Talk about your feelings and her feelings and tell her what you tell us. Maybe she will get mad, maybe she wont? But you will feel better and your mom will know your deep thoughts. If you say she is going to pass on eventually then maybe now is a good time to say anything that you would regreat not saying if it were too late :hugz:
I really hope there is a miracle waiting for your family

Mouse
October 14th, 2005, 10:34 AM
*hugs* BrigidMoon

Lady T, there's been a lot of them big mother to daughter talks latly and it has been really good for us, or at least i think so, I just wish it would happen infrount of someone else. Mum has turned so much of our family against my sister and I over the years, and although she says she is sorry to us, i don't believe she really is becuase she will never admit the lies to the people she lied to.
I'm very honest with mum, and what i wrote here tonight i actually said to her. I know she is doing it hard, really really hard, and it isn't the first time she has pulled me out of bed the night before an exam to talk and i didnt mind... because I'm here for her when she needs support. I just don't think it's fair that so close to dying she is so nasty to us. The night before she had the operation (she had a good chance of not living through it) she told my sister. "I wish mouse was here with me, she is my favourate daughter. I hate you, and i always have, your nothing but a whore." If she had of died on the table, that would have haunted bec for the rest of her life. Why does she do it, when she knows it's wrong and painful?

Malcolm
October 14th, 2005, 10:42 AM
Maybe in some wierd way If you hate her it will make it easier for her to leave, make it easier for her to give up...I dunno. People are wierd like that.

Mouse
October 14th, 2005, 10:49 AM
I spose that's possible. I never thought of that. I'll ask her when we are backon speaking terms. Interesting....

BrigidMoon
October 14th, 2005, 10:54 AM
*hugs* BrigidMoon

Lady T, there's been a lot of them big mother to daughter talks latly and it has been really good for us, or at least i think so, I just wish it would happen infrount of someone else. Mum has turned so much of our family against my sister and I over the years, and although she says she is sorry to us, i don't believe she really is becuase she will never admit the lies to the people she lied to.
I'm very honest with mum, and what i wrote here tonight i actually said to her. I know she is doing it hard, really really hard, and it isn't the first time she has pulled me out of bed the night before an exam to talk and i didnt mind... because I'm here for her when she needs support. I just don't think it's fair that so close to dying she is so nasty to us. The night before she had the operation (she had a good chance of not living through it) she told my sister. "I wish mouse was here with me, she is my favourate daughter. I hate you, and i always have, your nothing but a whore." If she had of died on the table, that would have haunted bec for the rest of her life. Why does she do it, when she knows it's wrong and painful?

I got to thinking. This is going to sound really odd. But...my daughter does this thing too.

It's similar.

Like when we have to say goodbye before she goes to her dad's.

She's very mean. She calls us names and gets upset for no good reason.

I tend to think sometimes it's because of the uncomfortable feelings she gets having to "choose" - splitting up time with us versus her dad.

Maybe in some sense she does this to you and your sister....because she feels horrible inside about the way things were during you and your sister's childhood.

It's really odd to have her pan back and forth from one side to another like that. Playing one against the other too.

It's a horrible thing to do, however, parents do it and they say things that are mean instead of just getting their feelings out into the open because they don't want to look weak or vulnerable.

_pounce_

I hope your sister doesn't take her too personally.

Mouse
October 14th, 2005, 11:04 AM
Hmm.. maybe.. but mum's also very mushy too. Most of the time she has no problem saying what she is thinking or feeling... So i dont think it's to hide anything.

But what you said reminded me of the way bec and her ex used to fight (long time ago) when they were living far apart. I noticed the same sort of thing between them.
I feel sorry for bec because she can't just let go of it, there's just too much that is a shadow on her mind. Too much happened when she was young, and so now it seems everything hurts her much more.

I feel a bit better now. thankyou to everyone for listening. I'm going to try and sleep. I'll come back to my family here if i can't though. You're all great. This really has helped a lot.

LadyTrinity
October 14th, 2005, 11:34 AM
Ya I agree with everyone, maybe her anger is her way of making it easier for her to cope with her situation. :sadman:

BrigidMoon
October 14th, 2005, 11:41 AM
Hmm.. maybe.. but mum's also very mushy too. Most of the time she has no problem saying what she is thinking or feeling... So i dont think it's to hide anything.

But what you said reminded me of the way bec and her ex used to fight (long time ago) when they were living far apart. I noticed the same sort of thing between them.
I feel sorry for bec because she can't just let go of it, there's just too much that is a shadow on her mind. Too much happened when she was young, and so now it seems everything hurts her much more.

I feel a bit better now. thankyou to everyone for listening. I'm going to try and sleep. I'll come back to my family here if i can't though. You're all great. This really has helped a lot.

Anytime, we're here!

_pounce_