to eat or not to eat?

[LunarWind]

explination for this poll: i was bored......thats about it....

~blessed be~
)O( LunarWind )O(
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[LunarWind]

im a vegitarian, but id love to be vegan, one problem.... no will power :ugh:

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[Myst]

There are threads on this in Healthy Pagan and probably The Green Room. Please refer to them for more information.

[Shadowulfe]

BRING ON THE BACON!!! Here Piggy Piggy Piggy!!!

[Flaire-FireStar]

I hate eating heavy meats like beef or pork... Usually I just stick to fish and chicken... :)

[odysseus]

I only eat some chicken and mostly seafood.

[Fairygirl]

I am a vegan. I have made this concious decision to change my diet based on my love of animals and creation. To me, eating the flesh of another is disrespectful, it is disrespectful to creation. Although it is hard, and takes strong willpower, the spiritual and health benifits are very rewarding.

[willowfairy]

I am a vegetarian. I would like to be a vegan, too, but same prob: no will power. Too many sacrifices. :)

[SeekerSandy]

The ancient powers put critters and plants here for many reasons and we only pay a heavy price for making use (and joy) of them when in excess. Bring on red meat, if you're gonna eat meat, don't pretend to be a vegetarian by burning it, or eating that ghastly Loma Linda crap that looks like meat. Eat it as rare as you can, I say!
For us, we will enjoy a lovely veal roast for our Yule feast, draped with bacon and served with herb and buttered noodles, layered with roast drippings and some freshly frozen garden peas.
We be omnivores and when abstaining from meat, the diet is difficult in that replacements for the various goodies necessary to our continued good health found in meat is hard to find in a tasty state.
After all, don't we pay homage to the Horned HUNTER of the Sun?????
I have nothing againts vegetarians, just wouldn't want my daughter to marry one. As for vegans, , , , , , , , best say nothing.

[clef0628]

This is only my view but, I believe that humans are animals. And animals eat animals so, I don't see a problem with eat animals. I love animals. But, I understand the food chain. It is part of nature.

[Psyche Ague]

I'm a vegetarian and I plan to stay that way. It was a decision based on my love of animals and my love of my self: I want to eat a healthier diet. Everyone talks about becoming a vegan...but I'm in no hurry to get there...I wouldn't eat anything if I became a vegan, so I'll just stay where I am. :D

[Kaylara]

I'm anemic. I need all of the red meat I can get.

Kaylara

[Myst]

I come from a line of farmers and my dad's a butcher, what does that tell you :)

[Old Witch]

I'll eat most anything that doesn't eat me first.

[Twilight Garden]

I was about ten when I went vegetarian. I'm not sure why except that I hated the taste and texture of meat. Some kids hate broccoli, I hated meat. It wasn't because of my love for animals. (I became a vet tech for that.) There are some meats that I miss (BACON!) but not enough to try to change. I've been a veg head for waaaaaaaay too long.

[Chibi-Fallon]

As long as it ain't got mold I'll eat it.

[Adrenaline Junkie]

I say if you want to eat meat, eat meat.

If you want to eat just veggies, eat just veggies.

It all comes down to personal choice and morals. I personally, just eat chicken and on the rare occassion fish. I dispise red meat.

[beatleshippie]

i'm a veggie and i love it (2 years)

[Raindancer]

I thought of making some kind of smartass remarks like "I have nothing against vegetarians, I've eaten hundreds of them"but decided against that...

Seriously, I feel certain qualms about taking the lives of once conscious creatures, and have to admit a certain ambivience about it, but I like meat. Pure and simple. Also, I'm a diabetic, and poor with three kids to feed as well as myself. If one of the kids wants to be a vegetarian when they grow up, thats their choice, but meat provides all kinds of necessary proteins and iron and so on that meat provides. There is an argument made that you can get that from vegetables and nuts, and that we are supposed to be vegetarians, but why then is it that our bodies assimilates haematic iron so readily and absorbs plant iron only with great difficulty and much less efficiently?

But due to health reasons as well as economic, I keep the meat intake to a small amount daily, and keep it lean. But that doesn't mean that I feel a disrespect for the animals, I think that if you're going to eat meat, the greatest disrespect that you can give is to leave some on your plate and waste it. I often get on my kids'case about waste. I tell them that some animal died so they can have food, the least they can do is to respect the animal and eat it all.

I guess in that, I agree with Native Americans who only took what they needed and used all of what they took. I respect the rights of others to not eat meat or dairy products, although I have a little difficulty understanding why not drink milk or eat cheese when its made with vegetable rennet. We have some really nice vegetarian cheeses here in New Zealand.
Blessed Be
Raindancer

[Raindancer]

I thought of making some kind of smartass remarks like "I have nothing against vegetarians, I've eaten hundreds of them"but decided against that...

Seriously, I feel certain qualms about taking the lives of once conscious creatures, and have to admit a certain ambivience about it, but I like meat. Pure and simple. Also, I'm a diabetic, and poor with three kids to feed as well as myself. If one of the kids wants to be a vegetarian when they grow up, thats their choice, but meat provides all kinds of necessary proteins and iron and so on that meat provides. There is an argument made that you can get that from vegetables and nuts, and that we are supposed to be vegetarians, but why then is it that our bodies assimilates haematic iron so readily and absorbs plant iron only with great difficulty and much less efficiently?

But due to health reasons as well as economic, I keep the meat intake to a small amount daily, and keep it lean. But that doesn't mean that I feel a disrespect for the animals, I think that if you're going to eat meat, the greatest disrespect that you can give is to leave some on your plate and waste it. I often get on my kids'case about waste. I tell them that some animal died so they can have food, the least they can do is to respect the animal and eat it all.

I guess in that, I agree with Native Americans who only took what they needed and used all of what they took. I respect the rights of others to not eat meat or dairy products, although I have a little difficulty understanding why not drink milk or eat cheese when its made with vegetable rennet. We have some really nice vegetarian cheeses here in New Zealand.
Blessed Be
Raindancer

[LunarWind]

but then i must raise the question, if we were suppose to eat meat, why must we cook it if we want to live??? you dont see wolves cooking meat paties over a fire, do you? im not trying to be a dick or anything, just thought id interject..
)O( LunarWind )O(
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[odysseus]

I had to say in defense of the poor veggies that they also have feelings. I feel nothing less for a nice leafy veg than I do for a piece of shrimp. I read this study about how scientists put electrodes into two heads of cabbage and when one of them were cut the other sent out ... let me say "shock waves". Also, it has been proven in studies that if you have a plant and don't water it, but talk to it, maybe telling it your sorry you'll feed it tomorrow. It will do better than the one that is totally ignored.
I don't eat read meat for health reasons. Plain and simple, we are all connected every last ion.
Blessed Be,
Odyssea

[Autumn_Joy]

I've been a vegitarian for 12 years now, and enjoying every minute of it... i wanted to try veganism, but i love my ben and jerry's way too much for that!! if they would only use soy milk and carob... he he he
I became a vegitarian for dietary reasons, when i was really little i had a stomach problem, where i couldnt digest the fats oils and dare i say it flesh... lol sorry to be gross.. I didnt honestly know what the deal was at first, and with my mom being into more holistic ways and homeopathic ways, we tried several ways to "cure" my stomach problems, we still didnt know what it was. So i fasted for some time, and gradually brought different foods back into my diet, but everytime i brought anything meat into the diet, i got really ill again. So then the decision to omit all things meat. lol I had a really hard time giving up chicken, i think that was the only thing i missed, until i was introduced to morningstar farms "Chik Patties" they are the best... they taste like i remember chicken patties from school tasting like... lol
i'm not a "preacher" of vegitarianism, if you enjoy meat, you can eat my share!!

BB
Autumn Joy

[Raindancer]

but then i must raise the question, if we were suppose to eat meat, why must we cook it if we want to live??? you dont see wolves cooking meat paties over a fire, do you? im not trying to be a dick or anything, just thought id interject..
)O( LunarWind

Who says we do? What about Steak Tartare? Sushi? Sashimi? Our ancestors got into cooking the meat because it tasted better, and it kept a little longer than raw. We got used to eating it that way, and our metabolisms aren't used to eating raw meat for the most part, and aesthetically we mostly don't care for it. But it doesn't mean that we couldn't if we had to do it.

The big obstacle to eating meat raw isn't the meat itself, but the microbes that grow on it and are killed by cooking. Salmonella for one. Our remote raw meat eating ancestors were exposed to it all the time and built up immunities and resistances to this stuff that we haven't. But thats not because the meat made us ill, its because civilization has made it unnecessary to have major immunity to something thats dead when cooked properly.

The fact still remains that the iron in meat and proteins go right into the system, while vegetable irons go in with a great deal more difficulty, usually needing vitamin C to aid in the process, and in smaller quantities. So to get the iron and protein that you would get from a steak, you would have to eat a very large portion of spinach or chard or some dark leafy vegetable. This is not to say that it can't be done, but it means something to me that the body seems to be really efficiently geared to the one, while only doing the latter with difficulty.

As for problems connected to meat consumption, it might be true that a person may just be allergic, but its also fair to consider that it much meat has addtitives, growth hormones, preservatives and so on. It might be that its the additives that are causing the problems. Clearly in that case, the best solution, if you can find it and afford it, is to eat only additive free meat. Probably taste better too. But then availability and economics rear their ugly heads.

As far as eating vegetables being a form of murder as they are also living beings, I was going to raise that point too, but had to leave so I had to cut it short. Thats absolutely true, but then what are we supposed to eat?

We could decide that all the other living things who eat each other should go on and do that while we, being more moral creatures than they, perform some kind of mass suicide to avoid killing any more innocent living creatures and making of our corpses a last feast for the carnivores and carrion eaters we leave this legacy to.

One thing that we have to remember in this discussion, is that life is a cycle of growth decay and death. All of it. We are all apart of this. Life is not possible without death, its central to the whole Wheel of the Year. The grain grows only to be harvested, eaten replanted and born again in the Spring. If we are to be in harmony with the earth and its ways, we have to recognise that this is the central truth, that life cannot continue without death. To live, all beings have to eat, to do this, something has to be eaten. What it is that we eat is only a value judgement as to what will live and what will die. Animals are more like us, are cuter, so they live, and plants don't look like they feel anything when we cut them down so they die.

I know this all sounds very harsh, but its true. What makes it harsh is that we feel guilty about it. I know, I do sometimes. To reiterate and expand what I said before, if you do eat meat, respect the animal by not wasting it, take only what you need, and when you kill, do it as humanely and painlessly as possible. Even, if you are so inclined, think for a moment about the animal you are eating and if only in your mind, thank the animal and be grateful.
Raindancer

[Rain Warrior]

Can't eat birds. Don't like them and they taste bad[for me]
No chicken, ducks, turkays, geese etc. I don't eat them since when I was four years old.

But I have nothing against roasted meat or big stake.
And fish are good too.

[Burning Goddess]

GOTTA HAVE IT GOTTA HAVE IT GOTTA HAVE IT!!!! SUEEEEEEEE Here piggy piggy piggy!! Mamma needs a ham sandwich!

[Twilight Garden]

I do believe it is a little more difficult to get certain minerals and vitamins without meat. You do have to be a bit more creative, especially when it comes to children. BUT I have been a vegetarian since I was a child and have absolutely no iron problems. I even donate blood regularly.

[Raindancer]

I guess that reasons and rationalizations aside, the bottom line is that I like meat, and although I have some qualms about killing animals for it, They aren't enough to make me give it up. I only eat a fraction of what I once ate. I don't need huge slabs of meat, its more like a condiment with the food, but give it up? No. My ex is a vegetarian, and as I did all the cooking, I ldeveloped some truly yummy vegetarian dishes. I could have them and not miss the meat. I even thought about working out a cookbook called something like "Vegetarian cooking for Carnivores" But I think that while I could go a long time without eating meat if needed, should I say that I was giving it up, it would suddenly become very difficult. I could do without, knowing that if I REALLY wanted that I could have some. Like being faithful and monogamous in an open relationship. I could if I want but its my choice not to do so. But right now, I eat a little meat. its only about a half pound a day to feed 4 people, which isn't much. If any Vegans read this, could they tell me why they don't eat dairy products? Like milk, or vegetable rennet cheese? I', curious and haven't really met or spoken with true Vegans before about it.

BTW Burning Goddess? I REALLY like your name :-)

Blessed Be
Raindancer

[SeekerSandy]

But I've never met a fanatic that I liked, vegan or otherwise.

My wife eats very little meat and even that must be nearly cremated. Nearly all of my various Wiccan guidebooks suggest pork and other meats for various post-Sabbat feasts. Who am I to offend the Horned Hunter of the Sun by not partaking of His bounty?

I used to hunt when I was younger and always give thanks for what I eat, never wasting, especially meat.....

Burning Goddess? Many connotations there, interesting....
:nonono:

[Sequoia]

mmm. . . . sometimes I get NASTY cravings for meat, esp. chicken! And fish!! hehe But I try to avoid pork. . . . for two reasons.
1) studies have been done. . . pigs are about as intellegent (memory-wise, abstract-thinking-wise, mathmatically, etc pretty much the equal) as about 4 or 5 year old children. I'm sorry, I can't eat that. No, I don't doubt that cows and chickens etc have feelings and such, but I know the hard facts about the poor little piggies.
2) I once held someone's baby pet piggy. I know how they make bacon. I was forced into taking an ag class. x.x nopers not eating piggies.

-_-; although occasionally I get a pretty bad craving for bacon. I just try not to eat it often.

yeah, who's to say the plant's not getting the crud hurt outta it? And those poor babies can be alive in the fridge, getting EATEN ALIVE by mold. . . .

all in all, humans are pretty darn barbaric. We just are.

oh well *eats a turkey sandwich*

[stormyray]

Meat eater here.. Athought I dont care for the taste of pork. Love Chicken and would eat it all the time if I could .

[LunarWind]

i would be lying if i said i do not crave chicken or turkey from time to time, but when i do i remind myself of a few things; one, it is a living creature, and i could not kill, or justify the killing of an other life just b/c i enjoy the taste. 2nd that as humans, though we may be savage animals, we have eveloved past the need for meat, we have discovered other way to get proper amount iron and protien in our diet. And lastley, though many of my pagan friends tend to not agree w/me here, and im not saying i am right, but i belive that the major point of the rede; "Harm ye none" aplies here. Just because these animals cannot hold an intellegent conversation(and plz no wise-ass remarks about telepathy) or start a war over ferivilous situations like we humans, dosent mean their lives are less important than ours. Thanks you for your time and i apologize to anyone i might have offened.
-LunarWind
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[keelyoherne]

I am a meat eater. I like meat. I love nothing more than a nice medium rare steak cooked over an open flame. Or a rack of ribs slathered in a nice tangy BBQ sauce. Bacon? Bring it on!!! I love Boston Market's rotisserie chicken too.

That being said, I do respect those who are vegetarians too. I used to work for a vegetarian magazine, and I learned a lot about vegetarian cooking. I even tried the vegetarian route for a while, but my health and energy levels took a plunge, so I started eating meat again.

The vegetarian route is not for everybody, just like eating meat is not. I find the fanatics on either side pushing their food choices in your face about as welcome as the bible thumpers who tell me I am going to hell because I am not a christian. Like I said, to each his own.:)

Keely

[SeekerSandy]

Originally posted by keelyoherne
[The vegetarian route is not for everybody, just like eating meat is not. I find the fanatics on either side pushing their food choices in your face about as welcome as the bible thumpers who tell me I am going to hell because I am not a christian. Like I said, to each his own.:)

Keely [/B]

right on, right on, right on!!!!!!
although I know very few fanatic meat eaters, well fanatic about eating meat anyway.
Ah, we having ham for Yule and veal roast for the last xmas we ever celebrate.
As for those damned bible thumpers, they will be forced to spend eternity in the hell that they created.
As Dr. Hensley once said, Heaven is what you make of life and hell is when you don't.........

[Myst]

Originally posted by LunarWind
And lastley, though many of my pagan friends tend to not agree w/me here, and im not saying i am right, but i belive that the major point of the rede; "Harm ye none" aplies here.

Just so we're clear on this, the rede is Wiccan, not Pagan, and a lot of people don't follow it.. myself being one of them.. you probably know that but I wanted to make sure :) :D

Is the zebra's life less important then the lion's? Nope. And before someone says "oh but humans have evolved past that" - please. Have you spoken to a lion? He might very well know better ways to get his vitamins but he doesn't care. Why must we always fight nature? Goddess knows what's best for me, and she gave me canine teeth. :)

[SeekerSandy]

Originally posted by Myst


Why must we always fight nature? Goddess knows what's best for me, and she gave me canine teeth. :)

Amen, sister Witch, and so mote it be!

[Twilight Garden]

I say... To each, his own... I don't eat meat, but my husband and step-daughter do and that doesn't bother me in the least. I'm happy when everyone else is happy with the meal they have just received. ;)

[keelyoherne]

Originally posted by Myst

Goddess knows what's best for me, and she gave me canine teeth. :)

Yeah! :D Mine are a lot pointier than a lot of people I know. :devil:

Keely

[Goodwinjj]

I just can't live without my steak :D :thumbsup::mmm:
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[LunarWind]

the purpose for this poll was to see the veggie/meat eater ratio of pagan, not to argue about whos right, so i suggest that we end the posts w/reasons y we belive not eating/eating meat is morally right. thanks
-lunarwind
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[SeekerSandy]

It's your poll. Me and my juicy cheeseburger will just go somewhere else.
Where humor is acceptable.......

[Myst]

You know you start a thread about anything and people are going to post their opinions.

That's, uhm, kind of the point of having a message board.

[LunarWind]

no, i completly understand, i think what i said came out wrong. its just seemed to become redundent w/all the, i eat meat, im right, i dont eat meat, im right. though it wasnt said exactly like that, i think understand what i mean. But i do apologize my post did seem a lil bit dick now that i re-read it, my best friend just moved to england and im a lil cranky.......sorry
-lunarwind
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[Myst]

It's all good :D

[Kahlan]

I use to be vegan, but got very sick, I was watching my protein intack, ate bean and hummas ( Love hummas), but I still got very sick. I lost to much weight and ended up in the hospital, My doctor said some people bodys can't handel the vegan lifestyle. And I know she isnt buyest, she is vegan. Anyway I had to start eating meat. I only do like once every three days, its not a to kill or not to kill thing really, I just dont enjoy the taste of meat.

My family started butchering their own meat, which made me feel better about because my parents tried to find the quickest and least painful way to do it. They always let me say goodbye, and give the animal a prayer. Which might sound dumb but it made me feel better, a little.

[Caycilia]

I'm a vegetarian for ethical, moral and spiritual reasons. I basically don't think that we are above other animals or living things because we are all one ultimately. That said, I technically shouldn't eat anything that would kill something. That would be a fruitarian, but being 16, i still have to comply with my parents somewhat, and they won't even let me be vegan. i'm working on them though. My family is Christian and I go to a Catholic school, so my friends and I usually give things up for lent. When I was 14 I gave up meat. This year I want to become a vegan, but I'm not sure how that will go over with my parents, and if I have the will power. I've been pondering it and doing research....

~Caycilia

[Myst]

A quick note, and not that it matters..

But I do appreciate people who can say "to me it's morally/spiritually wrong". If your ethics, morals, and principles say no, kudos to you for doing the research and having the guts to go vegan.

I just hate to see "well don't you know they torture animals to death", because it's not true 99% of the time.

[LunarWind]

actually thats almost the opposite, its like 95% of the time they are not, and plz dont say "how do you know" b/c ive seen way to many videos, and have heard the horror stories. :shift:

[Myst]

Good for you, you've seen videos.

I've been in the barns, sold the medications, and been in the slaughterhouse.

"Ooh ooh I saw it on tv, it must be true"

[LunarWind]

no need to get cranky, how many compaines slaughter houses have u been to? have u seen the whole process for more than 3 slaughter houses?

[Myst]

My dad's a butcher and has been for 23 years.

He was raised on a farm which his parents still run - cattle, pigs, chickens.

My fiance was raised on a farm which his parents still run - cattle, pigs, chickens - and we're moving onto it in a few months.

My uncle has a farm - cattle, exotic birds, horses.

My aunt has a farm - pigs, cattle, horses, goats.

My home village and my fiance's are surrounded by farmland and most of my friends lived on farms.

I worked for 3 and a half years for a large animal vet clinic which included helping handle animals, prepare medications and surgical packs, and selling medications and supplements.

Believe me, I have some idea what I'm talking about, and it doesn't just come from a video :)

[LunarWind]

noooooo, o my gosh, im sorry, we are 2 totally different feilds here, i undersatnd what your saying, but what im talking about is major compaines, i know that private family owned places have compassion, so i apologize for the misunderstanding

[Myst]

*nods*

Do a search, there's several threads on this. Especially the factory farm vs family farm thing. :)

P.S. I support family farms and buying from them, I don't support factory farms. So we're on the same side here after all that lol

[Pagecrd]

i got steaks in my tummy..........steak yummies!

[bansidhe]

im veggie because i know that i couldnt kill an animal, and i hate having to get other ppl to do it for me. thats my main reason. i dont really like the taste that much either. i want to be vegan, when i leave home...its just too difficult in a family with three other kiddies to feed.

i totally respect ppl on both sides tho, and i agree, some ppls bodies just cant handle not having meat. i havent had any health probs yet, and at least it keeps me away from places like mcdonalds (yes, i know you can get veggies burgers at buurger king).

[Imagi]

I considered becoming vegetarian a while back, but realized I'd really miss my burgers and steaks, my southern fried chicken (mom's recipe that I make just as good!), my husbands' perfectly broiled lambchops, and the pepperoni on my stuffed crust pizza.

What would my meatballs be without the meat?

Besides, you get lots of proteins and good stuff from meat (it's not all bad fat and calories) and it tastes good and keeps a person well fed :D

[Myst]

What gets me is people who call others cruel or judge them for their beliefs either way. I've got tons of respect for people who make their own decision based on personal belief, I just hate to see people judging and condemning others. ie. "heart attacks, Goddess' punishment for eating meat". Yeah my dad just had another major heart surgery and has had at least one heart attack. See, Paganism isn't a religion about judgment and condemnation. You don't die then go be judged by some deity; the Goddess does NOT punish anyone for anything. Well I have my own reasons for being omnivorous. Bottom line is I don't appreciate anyone disrespecting my choices anymore then I should disrespect or judge them for theirs.

[Scott]

I eat anything and everything! :)...haha


i can't take that much protien out of my diet....i wouldn't be able to fuction...i don't have the decipline to really switch my food intake to other forms of protien.




so...bring it on!

[GingerBurkley]

I just read this thread completely through for the first time. I had no idea people felt so strongly either way. I eat meat, I've never really known a vegetarian or a vegan, but I would respect their choice just like I respect the choices people make about other things. I'm NOT trying to get off topic, but this reminds me of the abortion question. People feel so strongly on both sides, and some people from both sides try to cram their ideals down everyone else's throats. The fact is, we do as we please, and if we're going to change our minds it's probably not going to be because someone changed it for us, it's going to be because we thought about it and made a conscious decision to change. We should just all do what we feel comfortable doing, and respect the fact that everyone else has the right to do the same. I'm done!

[SeekerSandy]

Very well put, Myst!

It's so refreshing to see someone actually understand the meaning of our path...

[ANUR36]

we've alot of carnivors in here!

[WynnJera]

As for my Diet ~ I LOVE seafood ~ I see it and eat it ~ lol ~ If I could only eat one thing for the rest of my life I would be happy if it were chicken ....

On a Ligheter note ~ A bill board sign .....

Romantic dinner a man and a woman dining ....

It said " Pork...The One You Love "

Sponscered by the local pig farmers ....

Sorry when I see that picture and that phrase ~ I ain't thinking about eating .... dinner that is ...

BB ~ WynnJera ~

[SeekerSandy]

Originally posted by WynnJera
As for my Diet ~ I LOVE seafood ~ I see it and eat it ~ lol ~ If I could only eat one thing for the rest of my life I would be happy if it were chicken ....

On a Ligheter note ~ A bill board sign .....

Romantic dinner a man and a woman dining ....

It said " Pork...The One You Love "

Sponscered by the local pig farmers ....

Sorry when I see that picture and that phrase ~ I ain't thinking about eating .... dinner that is ...

BB ~ WynnJera ~

What a delightfully nasty little Witch you are.
On another note, I agree, I love rare beef but could live forever on chicken, dark meat but chicked. Well, maybe white if it's in a salad sandwich or my favorite of favorites: Chicken Angelo or Chicken Divan.....
:thumbsup:

[WynnJera]

On a Ligheter note ~ A bill board sign .....

Romantic dinner a man and a woman dining ....

It said " Pork...The One You Love "


What a delightfully nasty little Witch you are.

lol ~ Yeppers ~ that's me ~ Full of sugar and Spice and Snails and Puppy dog tails ~ lol ...

As for the Pork farmer Sign ~ what do you expect for Saskatoon ~ Sk ~ Canada ~ Pig farmer central ....

I eat chicken and sea food mostly ~ pork maybe once every few months and then the hard stuff ( steak ) at those BBQ gatherings friends and families have and you can not help yourself ( GEMME GEMME GEMME ) cuz it just smells sooooooo good ~ so I give in a few times in the summer ~ lol ~ BB ~ WynnJera ~

[Raindancer]

On a Ligheter note ~ A bill board sign .....

Romantic dinner a man and a woman dining ....

It said " Pork...The One You Love "
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Stop... Stop.... You're making me hungry LOL Is that the word? Maybe... :-)
Now there's a Valentine's Day thought... Romantic and to the point, so to speak. It gives a different spin on the phrase "Eating out" LOL I wish I could get a picture of the sign to pass along. A sense of humor after my own heart... (Evil Smirk)
Raindancer

[WynnJera]

http://www.emailbliss.com/files/Pictures/slideshow/pages/porktheone.htm

here is a link to one like it from Sask pork industry altho the one I saw was a candle light dinner ~ still get the same thoughts tho ~ lol ~ BB ~ WynnJera ~

[SeekerSandy]

I can only hope that my lady loves will be happy with dinner tonight, very, very happy.....because you guys have given me too many ideas to ignore later on......
:hearteyes :hearteyes :hearteyes :hearteyes :hearteyes

[Raindancer]

SeekerSandy: I can only hope that my lady loves will be happy with dinner tonight, very, very happy.....because you guys have given me too many ideas to ignore later on......
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When it comes to ideas for finger-lickin'taste tempting treats guaranteed to tickle your tongue and put a smile on your lady's lips, this thread is a hotbed of activity. We hope you will take a little of that hotbed home with you, and that your lady will say that its the best pork she's ever had. :-) Bon Appetit
Raindancer

P.S. I like your footer about getting older. I saw footer on a lady's emails on a message list I'm on that I like: "When I'm old, I don't want them to say of me, "She's so charming."
I want them to say, "Be careful, I think she's armed." ---= G. Stoddart

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Raindancer

[Raindancer]

SeekerSandy: I can only hope that my lady loves will be happy with dinner tonight, very, very happy.....because you guys have given me too many ideas to ignore later on......
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When it comes to ideas for finger-lickin'taste tempting treats guaranteed to tickle your tongue and put a smile on your lady's lips, this thread is a hotbed of activity. We hope you will take a little of that hotbed home with you, and that your lady will say that its the best pork she's ever had. :-) Bon Appetit
Raindancer

P.S. I like your footer about getting older. I saw footer on a lady's emails on a message list I'm on that I like: "When I'm old, I don't want them to say of me, "She's so charming."
I want them to say, "Be careful, I think she's armed." ---= G. Stoddart

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Raindancer

[Ganga]

Oh, I'm so happy to see so many vegetarians here! Well, *of course* I don't eat meat. Cow, especially, is considered sacred. Besides, if you work with the Indian pantheon (like I do), it is a bit hard to eat meat since none of the Deities (except Kali Ma) accept such offerings. Another consideration is the heavy grounding effect of meat. (Milk is also grounding, but just enough.) I suppose that is the reason many travelers on the spiritual path adopt a vegetarian diet. Vegetarianism is also a healthier option in many ways, and (contrary to the belief we were fed as kids) provides enough proteins and iron. I actually heard about a beef-diet with no fat that makes a person practically starve because red meat cannot be properly digested without fat. That means that you may eat all the beef you wish, never feeling hungry but suffering from a nutritional point of view. Still, there are and always will be as many kinds of diets as there are people. After all, we are the only animals that can choose what to eat; lions and tigers hunt because that is their instinct. There is no karma in that for them.

Does eating vegetables hurt them? Surely, but that is why I offer the food to Goddess & God before eating. The food eaten that way is a direct gift from Them and carries no negative vibrations/karma in it. Rather, it is spiritually very uplifting.

And finally, one more reason I'm a vegetarian: "An it harm none, do what ye will."

[Myst]

Lord & Lady bless this buffalo wing, that it sustain and please me and be a gift we share together.

[Yvonne Belisle]

Being as I personally don't follow the rede Bring on the beef. :) I bless my food to and as far as I am concerened it is just as sacred as blessing the plants I occasionally ingest.

[Ganga]

I was actually mostly referring to those of us who work wit the East Indian pantheon. Traditionally in India, food is not given to the Deity to be merely blessed, but to be actually eaten by the Deity. The resulting "remnants" are called prasadam, or mercy. So if my worshipable Lady and Lord don't accept meat-offerings, so mote it be! I won't eat meat either.

I'm just sharing my thoughts and beliefs here, not trying to be self-righteous:)

[Myst]

Yes I noticed you mentioned that along with mentioning that you think vegetarianism is healthier, that we shouldn't eat meat because we can choose to eat what we want to, that eating meat causes karmic return, and that it's against the Rede.

Actually we aren't the only omnivores out there, and I like to think a lot of animals are more intelligent then we think. Perhaps they just choose to eat meat anyway? To each their own :)

[shnen]

I only eat chicken and fish when I have to, but try to substitute most with soy. As well as dairy. I dont drink milk and *try* not to eat cheese (havarti with dill will be the death of me ;)), butter, yogurt, ice cream... they all have soy or hemp alternatives.

I try not to force my opinion on others, but after studying yoga for sometime and not just tht but what is done to our food these days is very uncomforting. If you want to know why I do these things, ask, but I don't force my way of living on others (I know some who do, heavily...)

[maya]

I started leaning toward vegetarian when I was about sixteen. Now I have a total aversion to raw meat. I've actually cried a few times when cuttinging in to chicken and seeing it still raw. I don't eat a lot of meat any more but I do have red meat every now and then as I have health problems and I can't take multi-vitamins because they make me vomit.

I've found other sources of iron and protien but every once in awhile I'll crave a burger. Milk disgusts me in a similar way and I hate almost all forms of pork except bacon which I like only when nearly burnt. I think more than anything that it is the texture of meat that disgusts me.

I don't think I'll ever become a complete vegetarian but I know that I'll never get over my aversion to meat. It comes and it goes. Sometimes I'm okay having a bologna sandwich and other times it makes me gag just biting in to it.

edit: Forgot to add that I can't eat seafood of any kind if it still resembles what it came from. I could never eat lobster or shrimp though I've had crab meat that was minced in to small bits. I also can't eat salmon steaks but will have tuna salad every now and then. I also don't eat meat off the bone so even chicken has to be boneless. The less meat resembles what it came from the better chance I have of being able to eat it.

~Maya

[SeekerSandy]

What I have found interesting an perversely amusing are those vegetarians who eat soy and other non-meat proteins and such which are shaped like burger patties, bacon, steaks and hot dogs.
Maya, you are refreshing. I'm not sure if I agree with your borderline phobia or possibly manic aversion to eating living things, but I do see you as a budding vegan. You try not to eat meat because you feel it's wrong and won't eat anything that looks like it came from a living critter.
Now is the time to take the next step, cease eating in the closet and simply stop eating anything that is meat (be it fish, fowl, ovine, equine or bovine) or even looks like it. Once accomplished, you will be one of the few true vegetarians that I know, and completely hypocrisy-free.
Good luck

[Myst]

Yeah no offence to anyone but the meatless hot dogs and hamburgers, etc. make me wonder - if you want the taste and look of meat why don't you just eat meat? Ok I know why some do... :)

I wonder how well the meat taste is simulated?

[maya]

I think you misunderstand me. I have an aversion to meat because it's gross. I don't like chewing fatty lumps or licking blood vessels off a bone. I don't eat crab or lobster because they look like giant bugs which i dislike greatly. I could care less if the cow suffered when it died or if the chicken was in horrible living conditions before it ended up in a bag of nuggets at the super market.

I like meat. I like eating chicken and hamburgers and bacon. I just don't like it as often as the average american which is 10 times more than the average in almost every other culture. I hate tabouli and soy-anything is disgusting. I think animals were created to eat each other. It's a natural body process. If you weren't meant to eat meat then the enzymes that break it down would not exist in your system. We would have stomachs like cows and all our teeth would be blunt for the process of chewing vegetables (as a cows are) but humans are physiologically ominivorous. We have both incisors and flat chewing teeth.

I don't like anyone putting me in a 'closet' that I don't feel I belong in. I also don't appreciate the insinuation that anyone that isn't a perfect vegan is a hypocrit. You're being very unfair toward the beliefs of others on this board. I've gone as far as I'm willing to go with dietary changes and I'm comfortable at the point I am at now. I am not going to allow something like this to affect me in a way that I can't function in my life as I want to. I'm a confident adult and comfortable with myself and my life decisions. Please don't try to 'convert' me. I've had enough of well-meaning christians treating me that way.

~ Maya

[SeekerSandy]

Sorry, Maya--I did misunderstand your reasoning. However, I would never dare to attempt any conversion. I am happily very much a carnivore! I like beef as close to raw as it can get. My statement was more of an observation of the hypocrisy of so-called vegetarians and especially vegans.
Perhaps hypocrisy is the wrong term for simple vegetarians; many of who are still coming to grips with whatever reasoning they use for avoiding eating dead critters. Maybe Loma Linda vegeburgers and tofu (yuck!!!) hot dogs are part of the weaning process.
Tell me though, why do you dislike dairy products? I'm just curious, not trying to put you on or anything.
Myst, I don't know what they use to simulate the meat taste, but it doesn't work, whatever it is.:eek:

[maya]

Thank you. I can drink milk when it's really cold or have it on cereal but even slightly warm milk makes me feel sick to my stomach. The taste of it just doesn't do well with me but if it's cold the taste isn't so noticeable. I can't explain why these things disgust me sometimes. When I was younger it actually didn't bother me. I used to drink milk all the time and handling raw meat (for cooking purposes) didn't bother me at all. I do love cheese though. I have a deep cheese passion. I also enjoy ice cream quite a bit. Things like milk and yogurt just gross me out sometimes.

Luncheon meat grosses me out the most often because it has such a fleshy texture. Ground hamburger or very crisp bacon bothers me the least of all. Sometimes it bothers my husband that I don't eat meat as often as he likes. I usually only eat meat when we eat out or in small portions like pepperoni on pizza. Other than that, if I cook it's generally meatless. I cook a lot of pasta and eat salads. I also eat a lot of hot cereal; especially grits because they've got tons of iron which helps with my iron deficiancy. I end up eating a lot of grits and red meat when I'm on my period because of the same problem with iron. I tried taking multi-vitamins but my stomach can't handle them. I'd dry heave for an hour or two and then just feel wretched the rest of the day.

The average american eats in one meal the amount of meat needed for a whole week. In asian cultures they actually eat very little meat. It's usually small amounts of meat added in to the main course of rice. In effect, I eat about as much meat as is healthy to eat instead of just eating meat at every meal which is /so/ bad for your body. Studies have also proven that cholosterol intake can affect your life span. They were experimenting with a diet pill that inhibits our body's ability to absorb cholesterol and it showed that lab animals actually tripled in life span. So in this respect I'm comfortable with the fact that meat does not always appeal to me. At this point I can still go to a friend's house for dinner and be assured that something their will appeal to me. I also know that I can go in to almost any restaurant and order a meal that will be satisfactory to my appetites. So unless something changes for me I'm about as vegan as I'm going to get.

~Maya

[Myst]

And my mother used to call *me* picky :p

Oh wait I am picky, hehe :D

[shnen]

I would just like to say that there is nothing more disgusting then that 'fake meat' stuff!!! *insert puking smiley here*

At our cafeteria we had Shepherd pie ( I love the stuff) and thougth I'd try the vegetarian one... ugh, I wouldn't feed it to any living being - it was so disgusting!

I do take vitamins everyday, and maya, it's good that you are watching what you take in, even if you sometimes have to comprimise your feelings for your health. That is a very good realization that a lot of vegan, vegetarian, even semi-vegetarians have a hard time with that. ;)

[Raindancer]

As far as I'm concerned fake meat, soy protein is fertilizer that accidentally made its way to the kitchen, an d should be returned to the soil ASAP. I like meat, and used to eat tons of it, as most americans do. But then I married a vegetarian, and as I was doing all the cooking, and resources being limited including energy to do all this cooking, making one meal for both was a lot more practical than making two, as well as more economical.

So, I learned and developed some amazingly good vegetarian dishes, as I being both a meat eater and someone who feels that anything that invades my tastebuds airspace better taste good. So my meat intake dropped off rather sharply, sometimes not at all for days. At first, it was hard, I would get these cravings, and felt really deprived at times, but slowly got past that.

After we split up, and that wasn't a consideration, and as I also had to feed small kids as well as myself, I started cooking meat again. But now my intake is more like the Chinese, a small amount mixed in with a dish. I usually only have some at dinner time, the rest of the day, usually meatless. Its just the routine I've gotten into. I probably eat no more than about 100 grams max, usually less. in a day. The days of eating a pound of steak or something are past. When I make mexican chicken, I use chicken nibbles ( the wing parts) and have 1 1/2 wings, but don't feel deprived at all. Its enough to satisfy my tastebuds and any feelings of wanting meat.

For me at least, its important to feel that if I have it or don't have it, its a matter of my choice. If I want some I have some, if I don't its because I choose not to have any. It doesn't have to be a lot, just some. Three wing halves with a tasty tummy filling rest of the dish, does it for me. I have the taste of the meat, and when its over, I'm full. It works for me anyway. It wouldn't work if I told myself that I wasn't going to eat meat again, because I would feel deprived and rebel against that. Its important to know that I can if I want. Everyone's psyche is different.
Raindancer

[Mythrel]

mmmmm STEAK!!!!!

bring on the bacon....oh yea

[Witchy Cowgirl]

Bring on the meat AND veggies. Sometimes when we grill out my husband laughs at me cause I eat lots of veggies....baked pot., sauted mushrooms, grilled corn on the cob. It's all good! But a good steak....wonderful.
I believe we are a part of the food chain and our part is to eat what we like....but to eat healthy!
Brightest Blessings to all - vegans, vegetarians, and meat-eaters!

[squerrik]

I agree, bring on the bacon and don't forget the steak, eggs, and ham:thumbsup:

And for lunch...:cool:

[Nect]

ME VEGAN! :D But we're so few and lonely here... :wah:

Nect

[Emaleth]

What about the answer "I eat whatever my mom cooks"?:D Seriously, though I eat about anything, but I prefer chicken. I like meat, I only have moral issues. Those poor animals!
I've been a vegetarian for a week, but I don't have enough will to quit eating meat:(

Blessed Be

[WandererInGray]

Some days meat makes me feel yucky. Other days it's all I crave.

For me the importance is finding a balance in what you enjoy and what's good for you.
A good steak, properly grown and slaughtered, is pretty good for you every once in a while. But every day? *shakes head*

The biggest problem with our society (US) is that we have trouble finding the balance. People insist it's got to be all one way or the other. *shrugs* But honestly, you've just got to find a middle ground.

Even the cave men, indigenous peoples, etc ate meat. They just ate it in VERY VERY small quantities. Plus it was a fresh kill...not days old like we get at the supermarket.

I hope to get to a point where I have meat maybe once a week. I'm pretty honest with myself that I'll never go vegitarian all the way....simply because I like things like a good steak or hamburger. But I can make a choice to only eat the good stuff.

[Sequoia]

well. . . I generally try to avoid pork (LOL I'm pretty sure I posted earlier, but. . . *shrugs* hehe), but I'm ok with eating some meat. Maybe once a day or once every couple days. I'll chow down on fish.

Lately though tis been like I can't eat meat or even pasta or anything. I feel so sick in the morning I just don't wanna eat anything. I'm hungry but the thought of food makes me yak. In fact the only thing that's really tempted me the past few days are raw vegitables and bread. ^^;;; it COULD be related to how my dad eats almost ENTIRELY meat. . . and I ate more meat in two sittings than I eat in two weeks normally. . . ^^;

[Witchy Cowgirl]

Puma....are you "in the family way" maybe?;) Maybe not, but that's the first thing that came to mind when I read you post!

[raging_silence]

i have this weird stuff which is actually a type of fungi but tastes exactly like chicken but it's nothing dogy... well good for you

[Dryad's Wyrd]

I have been vegitarian for 12 years and have now been vegan for 2 years. All the people in my household are hardcore meat eaters. They have no idea how I could abstain from meat and live this long. He he he.
Love and Light,
Dryad

[cherrywind]

I don't eat pork (beside from the one time a year I'll eat a BLT or a club sandwich with bacon on it) because my stomach has a bad reaction to it. Although, I never really did like the taste of it anyways.
I eat red meats very very little, I'd say about once every one or two weeks. Not for any moral reason, and it doesn't give me a bad stomach reaction like pork, but I notice after I eat a lot of it (more than I currently eat that is) I start to feel almost weighed down.
Now, chicken, fish, and turkey I eat all the time. I'd say about 6 servings a week of that kind of meat. First of all, I have iron problems, so I try to eat a lot of fish, second of all, it just tastes so darn good.
I've never had any moral objections to eating meat. It's always seemed totally natural for me to do. Others, I'm sure it doesn't feel as natural to eat meat at all. And I'm sure other people find it natural to eat one steak a day. It really all depends on your digestive system, your metabolism, as well as your morals.
The only thing to really be careful about (as Myst has pointed out) is who you get your meat off of.
And I don't generally like soy and tofu, but there is a great product called "Yves" and if you ever get a chance, buy the "neatballs" because they are possibly the best things in the world. They're like spiced soy that really add to spaghetti sauce.

[Kalosi]

I'm just a poor farm girl livin' in the city. I grew up with fresh beef, venison (that's Bambi meat to you city folks), pork, and other wild game. Did you realize that squirrel is pretty tasty? I have no problem with eating meat, because there's more to be gotten from the cow than the rump roast. There's the hide for the leather that keeps me warm, the bone which is ground for glue and geletin, and the innards which go into your favorite petfood. I eat plenty of vegetables and grains, but my favorite thing to eat is a nice, juicy steak hot off the bbq.

Now I'm hungry.

"Where's the beef?" - Wendy's commercial

[Witchy Cowgirl]

Yes, and don't forget that beef products also go into your favorite cosmetics such as lipsticks., nail polish, and foundations.