Tameran and Kemetic

[Bix]

I know a little bit about the Kemetic path...but I've heard people talking about the Tameran path as well. Are these similiar in any way? Could somebody explain the Tameran path a bit more?

[Agaliha]

I am not Tameran, but I have read some about it...there isn't much to be found online either, so really learning about it is harder.

First thing I wanted to mention was a book that is more Tameran than Kemetic [orthodoxy] it's called:
Egyptian Paganism for Beginners: Bring the Gods and Goddesses of Ancient Egypt into Daily Life (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0738704385/qid=1130710540/sr=8-1/ref=pd_bbs_1/104-2442448-9081502?v=glance&s=books&n=507846) by Jocelyn Almond (Paperback)

From Teenwitch.com
Tameran: Any of a number of modern traditions based at least in part on the ancient religion. Named for a common native name for Egypt, Ta-Mri (or Tamera), this term was first applied to Wiccan use of the Tameran deities.

[note, feel free to correct me if I am wrong about something]

So for what I have gathered is most that follow a Tameran path do so in a Wiccan framework. For example [this is mentioned in that book I listed as well] instead of calling the traditional Four Quarters, Tamerans call the Four Sons of Horus that correspond to the directions.


From: http://www.ecauldron.com/reconegyptfaq.php
There is a tradition of Wicca called Tameran Wicca, which interacts with the Netjerw. (Tameran is another word deriving from an Egyptian word for Egypt; this one is from Ta-Mery, which means 'beloved land'.) There is a book on Tameran Wicca called Circle of Isis (http://www.ecauldron.com/cncbook.php?asin=1564145689), by Ellen Cannon Reed; I would recommend it strongly to anyone who is interested in interacting with the Netjerw in a neopagan context. She writes about the gods in a way that sounds like she knows the gods I know.
Tameran Wicca is a Wiccan structure, however; it is not Kemetic. Because the Kemetic ideal is a reconstruction, it uses ritual structures and practices that resemble those of the ancients instead of the modern neopagan structure.

So how does a Kemetic ritual structure differ from a Wiccan one?
There is no casting and dismissing of circle or elements; ideally, every practitioner has their own sacred space that is dedicated and established as a stable portion of their household. Typically, a given ritual will include libations of cool water, offerings of fire and incense, and other offerings depending on the practitioner and the festival. It is important that all things offered be consumed, so most Kemetics don't offer things they will not or cannot eat. The gods consume the spiritual layer of the food, and the offerers consume the material; thus a ritual often contains components of a shared meal. Most Kemetics prefer to keep their images of the gods in some kind of enclosed area except when they are performing rituals; a shrine cabinet is called a naos. (The images of the gods were kept in cabinets in ancient times; They like Their privacy.)

Wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kemetic_Wicca
The Wiccan sect called Kemetic Wicca (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wicca) or Egyptian Wicca is the worship of the set of Egyptian gods and goddesses. There is particular strain to pray to the family of Osiris and his wife/sister Isis, and their falcon-headed son, Horus. This is called a trinity. Sacred symbols such a the Ankh (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ankh) (the ancient Egyptian symbol for life), and Eye of Horus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eye_of_Horus)/All Seeing Eye (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=All_Seeing_Eye&action=edit) are very popular in this sect. Some try to copy the religious rituals of the ancient Egyptians (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Egypt) and the Book of the Dead (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_the_Dead) (ancient Egyptian book describing spells and rituals used during embalming and other various rituals) is sometimes used as a reference. In real life, the Book of the Dead was not called that. It was known as the Book of Coming Forth by Day. To call it the Book of the Dead is incorrect.

Kemetic Wicca is also refered to as Tameran Wicca. Tamerans are mostly eclectic and solitary practitioners. There are schools and seminaries that can be taken on-line and in person.


[*that FAQ answers some other Kemetic questions as well]

Does that help? I could maybe find some more sites.

[Zephyrstorm]

Tameran is an Egyptian influenced Wiccan Path. Kemetics are more akin to Reconstructionists. :)

The best Tameran book, in my experience is Circle of Isis by Ellen Cannon Reed. The descriptions of the Gods there are such that it sounds like she was approaching the same Names that I know as a Kemetic.

Senebty,
Neheti

[Bix]

Oh, so Tameran is just a tradition of Wicca?

[Zephyrstorm]

At least, that's what it is according to Reed. *shrugs*

Neheti

[Bix]

Where did the word "Tameran" come from?

[Agaliha]

Where did the word "Tameran" come from?


It's form the common native name for Egypt, Ta-Mri (or Tamera)
It means "Beloved Land"
It's also spelled: Ta-Meri and Ta-Mery

Mery{t} Means Beloved in Kemetic. The "t" ending is feminine.

The other name of Ancient Egypt was Kemetic "The Black Land"-- the area of the Nile and fertile soil.
And Desheret "Red Land" the barren desert said to be ruled by Set.

[NefertSatSekhmet]

First thing I wanted to mention was a book that is more Tameran than Kemetic [orthodoxy] it's called:
Egyptian Paganism for Beginners: Bring the Gods and Goddesses of Ancient Egypt into Daily Life (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0738704385/qid=1130710540/sr=8-1/ref=pd_bbs_1/104-2442448-9081502?v=glance&s=books&n=507846) by Jocelyn Almond (Paperback)


Jocelyn Almond ROCKS! I have both her "Egyptian Paganism" and her "Book of Egyptian Ritual" (which was published as "An Egyptian Book of Shadows" in a previous edition) She is a member of the Fellowship of Isis and runs the Lyceum of Isis Myrionymous, one of many teaching groups for the Magi Degrees in the FOI Liturgy. So that said, yes, her books, the Book of Egyptian Ritual in particular, are great resources for the Tameran path, even though she doesnt call it that. I highly recommend those books.

My path is pretty much Tameran... to me it is a midpoint between "Tameran Wiccan", which is too Wiccan for me and "Kemetic" which is too Recon for me... For example, I follow the Wiccan wheel of the year because it fits into the culture and seasonal cycle of where I live, as the Kemetic structure of seasonal cycles relating to the flooding of the Nile just doesnt affect me at all... but I am not into the dualism and focus on the "Lord and Lady" that Wiccans follow, and I dont usually cast circles for my daily rite of communing with the Netjeru like a Wiccan would, my daily rite includes a libation of cool water, offerings of fire and incense, food, and sometimes other offerings, such as I am moved to give.

So I think simply calling myself Tameran is the best label, as I am neither "Tameran Wiccan" nor "Kemetic"

Plus I like the label based on "Ta-Mery" as it reflects my feelings about Egypt being the beloved land of my Netjeru, a more spiritual concept, while "Kemetic" feels more historical and attached to the physical Egypt, the black fertile land around the Nile.

Thats just my personal take on it.

[amunakht]

I highly disagree with the Tameran religion. People should stay completely kemetic as possible and follow true re-construction and stay as true as the Egyptians intended it to be. The gods will be offended if worshipped in another cultures manner. Surely the neteru would be offended if you worshipped them in an Odinist manner for example.

Kemeticism and wicca never crossed paths and should be kept seperate. I also do not like Wicca, not for a prejudiced view but it's just over publicized for who knows what.

I do not think Isians are correct either. If they want to worship Isis they should allow themselves to worship her in the KEMETIC WAY and NOT the Isian way. I love Isis, she is my favorite goddess and I have a statue of her and everything but she should be worshipped strictly in the egyptian way. I even use original invocations and hymns in Egyptian as much as possible.

[Cerulean_damselfly]

This is a children's learning link below:

http://www.historyforkids.org/learn/egypt/history/greeks.htm

Another name I think was Ptolemaic Egypt?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hellenistic_Egypt

http://www.digitalegypt.ucl.ac.uk/main/guideptolemaic.html

The reason I ask is even though twice in my life I was lucky enough to visit the King Tut's tours of art exhibits (Tutankhamun of 1334 and 1325 BC...maybe the 12th ruler of Egypt's 18th Dynasty?), the local museums (especially Stanford University), displays some beautiful relics from the Greek-Egyptian period and the crossover was lovely and fascinating to me. Maybe it's because it's the only artifacts that I've seen up close...what period would a reconstructionist recommend to study?

Is the Hellenistic Egyptian too much of a hybrid for those who love such histories? I've been quietly looking into these beautiful crossovers.

Best regards and greatly interested,

Cerulean_Damselfly

[Duwayitheru]

The best Tameran book, in my experience is Circle of Isis by Ellen Cannon Reed. The descriptions of the Gods there are such that it sounds like she was approaching the same Names that I know as a Kemetic.

This is also the best Tameran book I've come across. :)

[Ahautenites]

I highly disagree with the Tameran religion. People should stay completely kemetic as possible and follow true re-construction and stay as true as the Egyptians intended it to be. The gods will be offended if worshipped in another cultures manner. Surely the neteru would be offended if you worshipped them in an Odinist manner for example.

My... you're a bit uppity, aren't you? While I agree with you that the Names might be a bit miffed if one went through all the trouble of learning Odinist religion and then worshipped Them in this way, I know for a fact that They don't get miffed by Tameran practices. They can get a little confused by the whole Wheel of the Year thing, but other than that, They don't mind, because it's frequently a transition religion. I was Wiccan to start out with when They called me. They graciously ALLOWED me to move toward Them at my own pace. And Tameran practices were the way They allowed me to do it. So while you are free to disagree, I assure you that on my way to my current practices, They have not been displeased with me.

Kemeticism and wicca never crossed paths and should be kept seperate. I also do not like Wicca, not for a prejudiced view but it's just over publicized for who knows what.

Gee... we'd never have guessed.

I do not think Isians are correct either. If they want to worship Isis they should allow themselves to worship her in the KEMETIC WAY and NOT the Isian way. I love Isis, she is my favorite goddess and I have a statue of her and everything but she should be worshipped strictly in the egyptian way. I even use original invocations and hymns in Egyptian as much as possible.

Isians don't worship ASET. They worship Isis, Who is based on Aset, but completely different. So what you do or don't agree with does not even enter into what Isians practice.

Oh, you use the hymns and invocations as much as possible, do you? So... Who is your Nisut? Who is your high priest? Why are you practicing any of the state rituals? When did true Kemetic beliefs change so much that it allows YOU, a mere secular peasant (just like the rest of us) to do this? When are you moving to Kemet?

Yes, I have major issues with anyone who claims to have the True, Only, PURE way. Get over yourself and get your own house in order before you start trying to rearrange the furniture in other people's homes.

And by the way, Welcome to Mysticwicks from a divined daughter of Set and Yinepu-Wepwawet, and beloved of Amun-Ra, Bast, Seshat-Nit-Nebet-Het, and Heru-Wer. I'm a shemut in the House of Netjer (Kemetic Orthodoxy).

[Redshire]

Tameran is an Egyptian influenced Wiccan Path. Kemetics are more akin to Reconstructionists. :)

The best Tameran book, in my experience is Circle of Isis by Ellen Cannon Reed. The descriptions of the Gods there are such that it sounds like she was approaching the same Names that I know as a Kemetic.

Senebty,
Neheti

I have quite the opposite opinion of this book, and her descriptions of the Names. I thought it was quite a letdown, having done actual research on my own, and I did not like her description of the Names at all. But, then again, perhaps that is how They were presenting Themselves to Her.

I hear They are different to each of us. *shrug*


Someday I hope to write a book on my tradition, Kemetic Wicca. But that will have to wait untill I am more knowledgeable. Maybe when I'm a Crone. ;)

[Redshire]

I highly disagree with the Tameran religion. People should stay completely kemetic as possible and follow true re-construction and stay as true as the Egyptians intended it to be. The gods will be offended if worshipped in another cultures manner. Surely the neteru would be offended if you worshipped them in an Odinist manner for example.

Interesting, but this is only your opinion. I dont think the Netjeru are at all offended by my honoring them in a not-perfect Kemetic way. On the contrary, I find that They enjoy recognition, and love to interact with humans. They way in which we each connect to Netjer is going to be different, depending upon personality/cultural background/society we are in...

Netjer and the Netjeru go beyond any worldly boundaries. Do not try to pigenhole Them.

Kemeticism and wicca never crossed paths and should be kept seperate. I also do not like Wicca, not for a prejudiced view but it's just over publicized for who knows what.

They have crossed paths now! We do not live in the world of our ancestors. Most of us live in this modern "melting pot" culture. There is nothing wrond with combining the practices of two differing religions, so long as the base theology does not clash, and one understands and respects the practices of each. Knowledge must be inplimented with Wisdom.

And you reason for disliking Wicca is utter nonsense. You have no true reason for disliking it, other than its popular? Pathetic. Ever think there may be a damn good reason its popular?

I do not think Isians are correct either. If they want to worship Isis they should allow themselves to worship her in the KEMETIC WAY and NOT the Isian way. I love Isis, she is my favorite goddess and I have a statue of her and everything but she should be worshipped strictly in the egyptian way. I even use original invocations and hymns in Egyptian as much as possible.

As stated before, Isis is not ASET. Isis is the Greco-Roman idea of Aset, whom they liked so much they adopted and transformed Her to fit the needs of THEIR culture.

I have great respect of people who are of a reconstructionist nature.... UNTILL they come along telling me I'm wrong.

Well, the Netjeru came to me, and continue to do so, even while I am Kemetic Wiccan.

bite me.

[OrionNeb87]

In response to amunakht, I feel that as long as you are respectful, honest, and sincere in your worship and honor of Netjer then they don't really care if it is not the way the ancients did it. But thats just the feeling I get from them. *shrugs*

In repsonse to the original poster I think everyone else pretty much hit the nail on the head with explaining the differences. ;)

[amunakht]

Oh, you use the hymns and invocations as much as possible, do you? So... Who is your Nisut? Who is your high priest? Why are you practicing any of the state rituals? When did true Kemetic beliefs change so much that it allows YOU, a mere secular peasant (just like the rest of us) to do this? When are you moving to Kemet?

I use them in the original language. You talk about "mere secular peasant" as being me and the rest of people but where is any pharoah or priest in this modern day? If you yourself have to become a priest, YOU DO IT. Since theres none left around. It's just like if say, a nation falls and must be built upon those old traditions. Withought any nobility, later on a new class will arise. We are still not peasants, we dont have little farms and live of them, that class died completely in the USA and most other countries long ago.

Isians don't worship ASET. They worship Isis, Who is based on Aset, but completely different. So what you do or don't agree with does not even enter into what Isians practice.

Isis is simply what the Greeks called her, and so she was a different "version" but still the same basic goddess

Interesting, but this is only your opinion. I dont think the Netjeru are at all offended by my honoring them in a not-perfect Kemetic way. On the contrary, I find that They enjoy recognition, and love to interact with humans. They way in which we each connect to Netjer is going to be different, depending upon personality/cultural background/society we are in...

They will still enjoy the company if you worship them the wrong way as since the evil christian Romans outlawed Egyptian religion, the gods haven't been worshipped much. Though worshipping them in the traditional way will be more pure and sticking to the original practices.

And you reason for disliking Wicca is utter nonsense. You have no true reason for disliking it, other than its popular? Pathetic. Ever think there may be a damn good reason its popular?

It's popular for all the wrong reasons. People, especially teenagers, are not interested in it for its meaning and its reason but because they wan't to be rebellious against Christianity and the media influences them about witches.

[Redshire]

They will still enjoy the company if you worship them the wrong way as since the evil christian Romans outlawed Egyptian religion, the gods haven't been worshipped much. Though worshipping them in the traditional way will be more pure and sticking to the original practices.

Worship them in the "wrong" way huh? Again, that is your OPINION, and you are entitled to it, but you are very disrespectfull and rude. Therefor I think your opinion is bullshit.

It's popular for all the wrong reasons. People, especially teenagers, are not interested in it for its meaning and its reason but because they wan't to be rebellious against Christianity and the media influences them about witches.

Ah, the teen interest in Wicca is what people usually gripe about. But get this, some of those kids actually do understand it, or come to after a period of learning and experience. Every religion (especially in Paganism) has "groupies" who claim a title for the wrong reasons. These people do not invalidate the religion.


But whatever. I really dont care to continue and discussion with you.

[amunakht]

Worship them in the "wrong" way huh? Again, that is your OPINION, and you are entitled to it, but you are very disrespectfull and rude. Therefor I think your opinion is bullshit.



Ah, the teen interest in Wicca is what people usually gripe about. But get this, some of those kids actually do understand it, or come to after a period of learning and experience. Every religion (especially in Paganism) has "groupies" who claim a title for the wrong reasons. These people do not invalidate the religion.


But whatever. I really dont care to continue and discussion with you.

Yeah, yeah. Whatever I don't care what you think.

[Agaliha]

Amunakht, you can't disrespect people's religion and beliefs just because you yourself don't be believe in it.
So you're a "purist" okay. Who cares. I don't think the Neterju look at you any differently than anyone else who devotes their path to them, who honors them, loves them and does their best.
There are Irish Recons that are really into the historical aspects and there are Wiccans that honor Irish gods. One doesn't see the other as being wrong (they are both honoring Brighid), only that the methods and views may not be historicaly accurate with the Wiccan. But it's not wrong.
Some have the urge to honor it as the ancients did, many don't. That's fine. Things change, religions change, lose some things and gain some, people change. What's the right path for one is not the right path for another.
Tameran is not the path for you, but it is the path for many. Just because you percieved your way of saying the hymns in Kemetic and doing things "purley" (which I don't think is possible) doesn't mean any other Kemetic path isn't. Who died and made you god, is a phrase that comes to mind. Get off your high horse is another.
Sometimes all that matters is you honor, love, and do the best you can. The gods ask different things from different people. There are many paths, not any one is right. Feel free to disagree with Tameran, but why come into a thead for people that are interested in it and basically say the path is wrong?
If you want to discuss it, why not make a new thread for that purpose?

[Ahautenites]

Perhaps now would be a good time to remind the new person that there is one rule here: The Respect Rule. Not only are we supposed to respect each other as people, we're supposed to respect each others' paths... Whatever Those Paths Might Be.

Tread carefully, unless you're prepared to spend the kind of money on this place that allows dinks like me to occasionally mouth off to people like you and not get booted for it.

[OrionNeb87]

Perhaps now would be a good time to remind the new person that there is one rule here: The Respect Rule. Not only are we supposed to respect each other as people, we're supposed to respect each others' paths... Whatever Those Paths Might Be.

Tread carefully, unless you're prepared to spend the kind of money on this place that allows dinks like me to occasionally mouth off to people like you and not get booted for it.

I already tried that. He ignored me :2G:

I would also like to say that the name of this sub-forum is "Paths: Egyptians, Tamerans, and Kemetics". NOT "Paths: Kemetics Only".

[Ahautenites]

Sorry, Metitaitui. Didn't realize you'd beaten me to the reminder. :)

Well, I guess the only civilized thing we can do is to gut him and feed his entrails to Father (Set). Or else give them to Dad (Yinepu) so He can use them as silly string. :P

Only kidding.

Dad would eat them, too.

(Kidding!!!!)

Can't help it. I have a macabre sense of humor.

But anyway.... To get the topic back on track: I found that by the time I was ready to move on to Kemetic practices, observing the Kemetic holidays as well as the Tameran ones got to be a few more holidays than I really wanted to deal with.

Lately, I'm finding that I miss the connection I had as a Tameran with my part of the world (a temperate climate with four seasons, not three). As a Kemetic, I find it harder to relate to this cycle of seasons, because I don't live in Egypt.

That's why I am still fond of Tameran practices. They more closely coincide with what I'm used to.

[Senushemi]

Hotep, Ahautenites! I'm still having problems with the whole seasons/calendar thing... here in Vegas we only have two seasons; hot and hotter.

I think I need to get a nice wall calendar for the Kemetic year... maybe that will help me relate to it better.

[Ahautenites]

**nods** I know the House sells them. I'm just too cheap to get one. :)

Heh. When I lived in Colorado, the joke about the seasons was that Colorado has four seasons: Almost Winter, Winter, Still Winter, and Construction.

[Senushemi]

Well now why didn't I think to check the House for a calendar... :doh2:

Thanks Ahautenites!

[Zebi]

The Imhotep Kemetic Orthodox Seminary sells a wall calendar:

http://www.kemetschool.org/pubs/detail.php?id=11

Since it is so close to a Wep Ronpet and a new year, you might want to wait until the new calendar is available.

[Senushemi]

Thanks Zebi! Good idea. Then I'll be all set for the whole next year. ;)

[Ptah]

Isians don't worship ASET. They worship Isis, Who is based on Aset, but completely different. So what you do or don't agree with does not even enter into what Isians practice.

I disagree, this is a HON belief, not one held by most Egyptologists.

[Ahautenites]

That's your prerogative, but there's a reason Isians call themselves Isians, not Asetians. :)

[La Fortuna]

Sorry, Metitaitui. Didn't realize you'd beaten me to the reminder. :)

Well, I guess the only civilized thing we can do is to gut him and feed his entrails to Father (Set). Or else give them to Dad (Yinepu) so He can use them as silly string. :P

Only kidding.

Dad would eat them, too.

(Kidding!!!!)

Can't help it. I have a macabre sense of humor.



Hi all!:wave:

I think this post by Ahautenites is far more scathing and inappropriate than anything Amunakht wrote even in jest.

Amunakht is expressing his opinion just as are the rest of us. If he doesn't like something that is his opinion and I believe he should be able to express it. People of different paths will often believe that theirs is best.

There is something to be said for those who do not wish to dilute their practice or mix it with another. And, because someone does not like something it does not invalidate and entire practice.

When one follows one path at a time, then one is able to prove that the path works or not. If one is god or path shopping, then isn't it possible that the person has not found a path that works for them? If one is following more than one path at a time, it is extremely difficult to determine which of them has provided the best results. In this case, it may be poor leadership.

IMHO, I suggest that one follow the path that offers actual physical manifestation and proof. This is really the only way to determine if a path is valid for that particular individual or not.

Not all Wicca manifest actual proof in their practice. I would venture a guess that neither do all Kemetic Orthodox or Traditional adherents.

I belong to the House of Netjer and in this house Kemetic gods are the only ones the Nisut believes should be worshiped in the orthodox reconstruction.

However, what I found works for me are the teachings of Rosemary Clark, who wrote The Sacred Magic of Ancient Egypt and The Sacred Tradition in Ancient Egypt. She formed the Temple Harakhte 30 years ago and I found that by following her rituals that I have manifested actual physical and spiritual proof.

The question is: Do you want a path that works both spiritually and physically or not?

Amunakht has supported his opinions with anecdotal and experiential information. Does anybody here suppose that Amunakht may be right in his logic and experience? Why is everybody so ready to invalidate someone else's opinions, just because they say they don't like something. That is his choice.

Are we all so arrogant that we cannot be open to what another's opinions are without taking it personally? It is one thing to write and opinion , it is another to call names or single out gods and people to slander. I did not see any of that in Amunakht's post.

Even Wicca do not agree with one another. I see back biting and disagreement all the time between them. I believe that this is due to the fact that there are so many who all practice differently and their own way and everbody wants to be right and says that their way is better.

I say "Prove It", not to me but to yourselves and ourselves. Prove it through correct practice and logic. Prove it by getting physical manifestation from your rituals, ceremonies and prayers.

Different offshoots, of course, are fine, they do not harm, however, they may not be as effective as more traditional forms with a provenance might be. Only the adherent knows if they are getting manifest physical results or just being the follower of someone who wishes to have power and influence over them.

Many of the practices of Wicca appear to come from Celtic, Norse and Egyptian roots. Voodoo or Houdon are very much related to Ancient Egyptian practices, however, many Kemetics shun this form of practice.

So many people want to be leader, the Goddess, the Guru, that it seems everyone is saying "Follow me, Follow me." This is fine too if the leader is willing to show actual proof and allow the novice or adherent to share in their knowledge freely and guide them to success.

Of course, all of this is only my POV.

Fortuna:fpraise:

[Ahautenites]

**smiles** Of course it's scathing. Set kids are notorious for being harsh.

However, even if amunakht had written that he thinks Chips Ahoy! cookies are better cookies (BLASPHEMY!) than homemade chocolate chip ones, I still would have written that. I was only kidding. (Set and Yinepu are my Parents, and They both have a gory, weird sense of humor.) I have no interest in actually seeing anyone's entrails, especially not for something inconsequential that they've written on a message board.

So, that being said, I'm taking my leave of this thread because it seems that whenever two or more of the modernday members of the Egyptian faiths get together, pissing contests are the result.

I should have known better than to say anything anyway, because I've never yet gotten along with children of Amun or children of Ptah. (We're a volatile mix, usually.)

[Ptah]

That's your prerogative, but there's a reason Isians call themselves Isians, not Asetians. :)

They speak English and the accepted form of the name in English is the Greek pronunciation, Isis?

[La Fortuna]

**smiles** Of course it's scathing. Set kids are notorious for being harsh.

However, even if amunakht had written that he thinks Chips Ahoy! cookies are better cookies (BLASPHEMY!) than homemade chocolate chip ones, I still would have written that. I was only kidding. (Set and Yinepu are my Parents, and They both have a gory, weird sense of humor.) I have no interest in actually seeing anyone's entrails, especially not for something inconsequential that they've written on a message board.

So, that being said, I'm taking my leave of this thread because it seems that whenever two or more of the modernday members of the Egyptian faiths get together, pissing contests are the result.

I should have known better than to say anything anyway, because I've never yet gotten along with children of Amun or children of Ptah. (We're a volatile mix, usually.)


Hi Ahau:wave:

Yes. I know about Set, He is parent to my husband and I am connected with Upuat/anpu very closely.

Upuat does have an interesting sense of humor.

I was going home after reading at a tarot fair and there was a large, black dead dog along the side of the freeway. Upuat says to me, "There you have worked me to death today !":lol:

It was macabre but also very funny. I laughed all the way home. He often makes these jokes to me and I think it is great that he has this sense of humor.

BTW, I think it should not matter about our parenting as we are all from the same source.

I only wish for us to be more tolerant of those who have opinions different than ours. Everybody has their own reality.
I take exception to name calling and disrespecting others gods when names specifically, but I don't think that is what happened in Amunakht's case.

I was really offended by your comments, but I am so way over it and I don't dislike you for it. It is just another day at the forums.

I only hope that you are not offended by my being offended, we should just all get over it and try to post more positive comments. Me included.

Have a great day, the best to you, Em Hotep La Fortuna

[amunakht]

Yeah, read my thread "IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT".

Do you feel the same way as Ahautenites "I should have known better than to say anything anyway, because I've never yet gotten along with children of Amun or children of Ptah. (We're a volatile mix, usually.)"?

As you would have probably have guessed, my god is Amun.

[Yamenaset]

However, what I found works for me are the teachings of Rosemary Clark, who wrote The Sacred Magic of Ancient Egypt and The Sacred Tradition in Ancient Egypt. She formed the Temple Harakhte 30 years ago and I found that by following her rituals that I have manifested actual physical and spiritual proof.


Em hotep!

I'm also a member of Temple Harakhte! (As well as being a Kemetic Orthodox Shemsu.)

[Romani Vixen]

Two points.

Firstly, not all Wiccans are teens. Most Wiccans aren't. Yes, there is a segment who are in it for the popularity factor. But that is only a small segment. Some call them "fluff bunnies". HEH But most do take their faith quite seriously and with reverence.

Generalizations suck!!!!

As a general rule that is. ;)

Secondly, I find it interesting that you say that you "use them in the original language." Yet you call Aset by her Greek name. You don't use Aegyptos, but Kemet. So... how is this pure? Or using the original language? And when you say pure... pure to what? A specific time or area? It did vary from place to place and throughout the years.

Please... clarify... I'm really confused here.

Oh... and there are still little farms in the US. Not many. But that class certainly hasn't died out, even if it is a dying breed.

I think the reason that people are getting touchy about what you are saying is that it's comming across that you're saying that anything other than what you do is wrong... period. Ok... so everything else is wrong *for you*, but you're making it sound as though you think that it is wrong for everyone.

Senebty,

Ankhetbast


I use them in the original language. You talk about "mere secular peasant" as being me and the rest of people but where is any pharoah or priest in this modern day? If you yourself have to become a priest, YOU DO IT. Since theres none left around. It's just like if say, a nation falls and must be built upon those old traditions. Withought any nobility, later on a new class will arise. We are still not peasants, we dont have little farms and live of them, that class died completely in the USA and most other countries long ago.



Isis is simply what the Greeks called her, and so she was a different "version" but still the same basic goddess



They will still enjoy the company if you worship them the wrong way as since the evil christian Romans outlawed Egyptian religion, the gods haven't been worshipped much. Though worshipping them in the traditional way will be more pure and sticking to the original practices.



It's popular for all the wrong reasons. People, especially teenagers, are not interested in it for its meaning and its reason but because they wan't to be rebellious against Christianity and the media influences them about witches.