any other polyclayers?

[mandalamama]

i love working in polymer clay, it's so versatile, and so relaxing to work with. i have arthritis so it's also good physical therapy, keeps my hands limber! however, it's a completely lab-created substance, unlike regular clay. so i've been making things for my husband's altar, and now for our family, by mixing in "inclusions" such as finely ground herbs or flowers for coloration, or mica powders or metal pulvers ... so the items will contain something of Nature, so they can be charged. (dried sage, if finely ground with a mortar and pestle, added to translucent Premo makes a lovely jade green!)

i'm just wondering if there are any other polymer clay addicts here? if so, do you include natural substances in your clay work, and how much do you think is enough in quanitity to make it "chargeable"? (is that a word? *lol*)

[mucgwyrt]

:hmmmmm: if you want 'natural' I'd buy a block of air-drying clay; I've combined herbs with that in the past :)

The thing with polymer is that you have to bake it, thereby destroying (burning away) any herbs you add to it.

[MsFireHaven]

I use natural stuff in my clay, yes its the poly, and I think that just the surface stuff goes away. Natural items inbedded still hold their quality, in my opinion.

[mandalamama]

*nods* anything inside the clay is preserved, but dried out. the highest i bake at is 275°. i've made a "jade" using only translucent clay and sage leaves, it turned out pretty nice. i'm just curious, about how people charge objects to use, how much natural/organic matter does it need to have, or does that even matter? my hope is to avoid making un-charageable items that aren't useful.

someday i hope to work with Precious Metal clay! that stuff seems awesome to work with. have to afford the kiln first :)

[mucgwyrt]

*nods* anything inside the clay is preserved, but dried out. the highest i bake at is 275°. i've made a "jade" using only translucent clay and sage leaves, it turned out pretty nice. i'm just curious, about how people charge objects to use, how much natural/organic matter does it need to have, or does that even matter? my hope is to avoid making un-charageable items that aren't useful.

someday i hope to work with Precious Metal clay! that stuff seems awesome to work with. have to afford the kiln first :)
You can use a torch, too - the kind you use for souffles, for example :)

[Scarlettvixen]

Well dragonchest on here sells her polyclay creations
my husband loves making animals out of polyclay
i am learning canes and have made some beads out of them

still very much newbies at it

[blackroseivy]

Hey! :) I have been using it in amulets, & I think it's perfectly chargeable - well, I use a large piece of glass as an inclusion, the clay is the "bezel" - so, glass being very chargeable, they seem to work well. Also, I use real gold & silver, so they really carry a powerful charge & seem to work well. I had a couple of beauties I made for people that I didn't take pix of like an idiot, so I'll have to take more pix as I make them so I can share them. I do have 1 amulet I made, I can show that. Also, I'm showing my Celtic statuette, which someone is interested in buying, which really makes me happy! She is Super-Sculpey coated in REAL bronze & patinated, + REAL 23K gold leaf:

[blackroseivy]

*nods* anything inside the clay is preserved, but dried out. the highest i bake at is 275°. i've made a "jade" using only translucent clay and sage leaves, it turned out pretty nice. i'm just curious, about how people charge objects to use, how much natural/organic matter does it need to have, or does that even matter? my hope is to avoid making un-charageable items that aren't useful.

someday i hope to work with Precious Metal clay! that stuff seems awesome to work with. have to afford the kiln first :)

DITTO HERE!! :D I have a yen to make crowns & headpieces, & jewelry, out of that stuff - SOLID, REAL silver & gold!! :D I want to use real gemstones, which I do in my art now, but boy will THAT ever be cool! I can hardly wait! :D

[mucgwyrt]

Hey! :) I have been using it in amulets, & I think it's perfectly chargeable - well, I use a large piece of glass as an inclusion, the clay is the "bezel" - so, glass being very chargeable, they seem to work well. Also, I use real gold & silver, so they really carry a powerful charge & seem to work well. I had a couple of beauties I made for people that I didn't take pix of like an idiot, so I'll have to take more pix as I make them so I can share them. I do have 1 amulet I made, I can show that. Also, I'm showing my Celtic statuette, which someone is interested in buying, which really makes me happy! She is Super-Sculpey coated in REAL bronze & patinated, + REAL 23K gold leaf:
How do you coat it in Bronze?

[Faeawyn]

I've been messing around with poly clay as well. I've made a few things...This is my most recent little goddess tea candle set. I'm working on a fairy right now :D

[blackroseivy]

Hehe! It's genuine bronze powder used as a molding agent for Big Sculpture. You can get ALL this & more from "The Compleat Scultor" - they are in NYC, have been since like 1978, & they have EVERYTHING! It's a wonderful website, V it out!! :D

What I do is, I coat the piece in the bronze powder before baking it. I bake it on, & then without putting anything over it yet, I use the patinating liquid - it's a blue-green acid, the one I used is called "Tiffany Blue" - it comes out an astonishing turquoise that the pix don't do justice to! ;) Then I sprayed her with an acrylic varnish coating, then I applied the gold leaf & then sprayed again when it had set. Gonna do more! :D

[mandalamama]

wow, i LOVE all of your work! so beautiful :smile:

i have metal "pulvers" it's real gold, bronze and silver but in a micro-fine powder. i also have Pearl-Ex but i'm not sure if all of them contain real mica powder. i sometimes use silver leaf sheets if i'm doing mokume gane. i hadn't thought to just leaf the outside of a sculpture! it'd tarnish really well.

mostly i do what i call "Tibetan filigree":
http://www.artwithaheart.com/playwithclay/frame_Tibetanfiligree_1.jpg
also i love doing pocket goddesses. i use Premo because Sculpey breaks sometimes, and Fimo is way too hard for me to condition. i can't coat those on the outside i think, because they end up being rubbed a lot like a worry stone. so those are the ones with the inclusions.

i LOVE seeing your work! is there a polyclay guild here?

[MsFireHaven]

Here are a few of my things.

[blackroseivy]

Q-it! (Cute! ;) )

Say, we oughtta form a guild!

LOVE the "Tibetan 'filligree'"!! :D

[blackroseivy]

i have metal "pulvers" it's real gold, bronze and silver but in a micro-fine powder.

Say - sounds SO exactly up my alley, where do you get these??? Do tell, do tell!!! ;)

[mandalamama]

Say - sounds SO exactly up my alley, where do you get these??? Do tell, do tell!!! ;)
i've bought them at Michael's in the Fimo section, but i found them online also:
http://store.yahoo.com/fimo/decorations-and-finishes-metallic-powders.html they go a really, really long way, you only need a touch.

a polyclay guild would be fun! i'm making banners as a hobby, let me know if you want me to make one. except i still can't do animations very well in Photoshop *pff*

MsFireHaven ... WOW! i love the red dragon!! how long did it take to apply all those scales? *boggle*

[blackroseivy]

Wow! I have a beautiful metallic powder - genuine bronze in various shades. It goes from the brightest gold thru silver to bronzy or copper. This stuff is Shminke powdered pigments, & I used to know where to get them, but it was a mom-&-pop outfit that I think is gone now - I'm afraid I can't tell you where to get them!

[Scarlettvixen]

here is some of my husbands work
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v21/Scarlettvixen/Polymer%20Clay/Gaia2.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v21/Scarlettvixen/Polymer%20Clay/Gaia.jpg
Gaia

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v21/Scarlettvixen/Polymer%20Clay/swampmonster.jpg
Swamp Monster


the cane is my first attempt at anything more than a spiral cane
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v21/Scarlettvixen/Polymer%20Clay/starcane.jpg

he has just made me a green man walk plaque to go outside but we havent taken pictures of it yet

[mandalamama]

Scarlettvixen, i think your pentacle cane is great! i can't get one made that isn't distorted, it's hard to keep those straight lines.

anyone have experience burning incense cones on top of polyclay? i'm wondering if it smells bad when it gets scorched when the incense burns down.

[mucgwyrt]

Scarlettvixen, i think your pentacle cane is great! i can't get one made that isn't distorted, it's hard to keep those straight lines.

anyone have experience burning incense cones on top of polyclay? i'm wondering if it smells bad when it gets scorched when the incense burns down.
I hear it smells like burning plastic :sick: try it on a scrap peice and find out :)

[sari0009]

I love polymer clay. However, I'm having trouble finding an oven that holds a steady temperature for the best curing results.

[blackroseivy]

I can tell you what nOT to uese - a gas oven. I used to try to use one when I lived with my sister, with VERY poor results. My little electric range, on the other hand, seems to be turning out very nice, bisque-like pieces.

These face-sculptures were molded in "paper-clay" Knead-o, but the crowns are Sculpey. I use real gemstones, & want to move on to making real crowns, & other jewelry. I use rubber-stamps for pattern; they come out lovely & very sculptural.

The "Butterfly Man" is another one with the real bronze - he is only inches high. "Cogito" is written on the base in gold leaf. He rests on a mirror. His wings are real!

The "Buddha" was a present for my sister last year. He is also real bronze with patination. Both of these have lapis eyes.

[mandalamama]

awesome, Danubhe, i love the patination. i'm not sure if the silver/bronze pulver will patina ... what product should i look for at the store? we have Michael's and AC Moore locally. i've done faux patina but it's just not the same.

i love the faces and crowns! i've wanted to do faces or masks, but it'd take too much Premo. i hadn't though of using paperclay! i keep forgetting i can combine Premo with just about everything.

one of my candleholders that i used bronze pulver on has tarnished nicely over a couple of years, no greenish hues yet, but lovely dark hues. it's a crappy pic, tho.
http://www.artwithaheart.com/playwithclay/pangreenman1.jpg

i am definitely interested in starting/being a part of a polyclayers guild here. i love to share tutorials!

[mandalamama]

I love polymer clay. However, I'm having trouble finding an oven that holds a steady temperature for the best curing results.

you could invest in one of those oven thermometers that hangs from the rack, and then set your oven for 275° ... you might be surprised that your oven is heating anywhere from 225° to over 300°! then adjust the temp accordingly. everywhere i've lived has had ovens with their own personality. i'm using a gas oven right now, it's digital and it heats to the right temperature exactly. *knock wood*

also, i bake everything on sheets of polyfill (the flat stuff that they sew into quilts). unless it needs to be absolutely flat, like a bookmark. that ensures all the clay gets the same temperature, instead of hot spots where it's touching/near the cookie sheet. polyfill is oven-safe under 300°.

when in doubt, bake at a lower temperature, for longer times, and bake multiple times. my switchplates are done on metal bases, which heat up quite a bit, so i bake them at 225°, let them cool, bake them again, then a coat of Future floor polish for varnish and bake again. sometimes another coat and another bake. after all that curing it's rock hard and feels like pewter.
http://www.artwithaheart.com/playwithclay/fantasyswitchplate-beads.jpg

[DragonsChest]

I have been using pc for over three years now. I love it. I bake in a toaster oven and watch the temps with an oven thermometer. In fact, got a wish pot dragon in the oven as I type this!

I also, bake at lower temps for longer times. Found this discourages scorched/burned pieces, like horns and thinner bits. I also include glass, stones, pearlex powders, chalk, and wood in my pieces. Right now, my newest pieces are the Sabbat Spheres, where I take a glass ornament, and cover it with clay, and bake. Works great. (check out my site - they are on there now!)

I would not recommend burning directly on pc - and the main website supports this. I would use something between the heat source and the clay.

A pc guild would be a blast! There isn't one in my neck of the woods, that I have been able to find, but I am an internet junkie when it comes to googling pc and its applications.

[sari0009]

Thanks. I did get one of the more expensive toaster ovens but was horrified to find that the temp dropped down to under two hundred and stayed down for a while. Adjusting temps was tricky and stuff nearly burned (much darker than it should have been).

I read that the cheaper toaster ovens actually might do better than the more expensive ones so I got another and will try it out shortly.

[blackroseivy]

Heh - I actually did burn something, but you know what? I had to gesso it & leaf it over anyway, so actually, you can't even tell unless you look at the back & see some exposed spots! Totally black, the piece was!

I'll put up the only pix of these pieces that I have on hand - I need to get them back from a gallery where they are NOT selling, :( ! Anyhoo, it's the Moon I'm talking about (she & the Sun come as a set, natch!! :D ).

Also, I want to do "reproductions" - I reproduced a distinctive set of fetishes from an ancient Celtic drinking vessel that I feel sure, myself, was used as a wedding ceremonial vessel. They are "fertility" fetishes, "his & hers". They're leafed in silver to replicate the silver of the originals - they have patinated all on their own.

Oh: & all of these are recent Sculpeys with the exeption of the brunette on the end - that's Kate Bush, my favorite singer, done in self-drying clay. Butterfly-Man has real wings - unless I already noted that, in which case oops, sorry! ;)

OOPS again!! The moon didn't have her portrait taken, I forgot! I gotta get that stuff back from that place! :P

[Scarlettvixen]

I was thinking last night that Nebra is also a polymer clay artist!
she does these awesome sculptures

well i think its pc she is using

[DragonsChest]

I was thinking last night that Nebra is also a polymer clay artist!
she does these awesome sculptures

well i think its pc she is using

Yes, that's true!! She used Super Sculpey, I think. It is a professional grade polymer clay.

[MsFireHaven]

i've bought them at Michael's in the Fimo section, but i found them online also:
http://store.yahoo.com/fimo/decorations-and-finishes-metallic-powders.html they go a really, really long way, you only need a touch.

a polyclay guild would be fun! i'm making banners as a hobby, let me know if you want me to make one. except i still can't do animations very well in Photoshop *pff*

MsFireHaven ... WOW! i love the red dragon!! how long did it take to apply all those scales? *boggle*


The Red Dragon was a special request, and cost over $125 for the buyer.
I worked for 2 weeks, every night for 2 -6 hours to finish the scales. Each and everyone of them were hand layed.

[mandalamama]

MsFireHaven, that is an *amazing* amount of work! a labor of love, it looks like.

DragonsChest, your whimsical dragons make me smile! my babe was also pointing at their pictures and giggling. :smile:

Danubhe, i love the little fetishes, they really don't look like polyclay at all. i looked closely at the pic, they look like silver that's a little pitted, as if it'd been quite tarnished and then shined up. cool! :smile:

wow, i'm in such good company, i'm just floored *bows*

[sari0009]

you could invest in one of those oven thermometers that hangs from the rack, and then set your oven for 275° ... you might be surprised that your oven is heating anywhere from 225° to over 300°! then adjust the temp accordingly. everywhere i've lived has had ovens with their own personality. i'm using a gas oven right now, it's digital and it heats to the right temperature exactly. *knock wood*

also, i bake everything on sheets of polyfill (the flat stuff that they sew into quilts). unless it needs to be absolutely flat, like a bookmark. that ensures all the clay gets the same temperature, instead of hot spots where it's touching/near the cookie sheet. polyfill is oven-safe under 300°.

when in doubt, bake at a lower temperature, for longer times, and bake multiple times. my switchplates are done on metal bases, which heat up quite a bit, so i bake them at 225°, let them cool, bake them again, then a coat of Future floor polish for varnish and bake again. sometimes another coat and another bake. after all that curing it's rock hard and feels like pewter.
http://www.artwithaheart.com/playwithclay/fantasyswitchplate-beads.jpg

Gorgeous art!

I researched first, got the proper oven thermometer, the polyfill and all that. Seemed that everytime I adjusted, it thwarted me. Trial and error then.

A perfectionist, I confess I even looked into lab ovens, as not regular ovens or toaster ovens really keep totally steady temps as they do. Lab ovens that can keep a steady temp in the necessary range cost too much.

I'll just try some more then.

[cloudspanther]

Wow I am a newbie in the pc area. I make rings that you can sit over your light bulbs on the lamp shade and put essential oil on. I also make rose's.

http://photobucket.com/albums/c397/cloudspanther/?start=40

That is my album I am not very computer savy.

I love the feel of the clay on my hands it is soothing somehow. I love mixing the clays and seeing what I can come up with next. I have some pearl ex coming I was going to try to mix in some crystals but wasnt sure about the baking process? Anyone know?

lady bless,
clouds

[DragonsChest]

Welcome, cloudspanther! It's always nice to see another clay lover. About the pearlex, you should be able to bake it just as normal, unless you've put a huge amount of pearlex into the clay. Then you might have to adjust the baking time. I'd sneak up on it, if that's the case. I'd lower my temp to 240-260F, and then bake it longer to ensure total curing.

As with anything - it can take some trial and error. Make sure to post pics when you have some finished! :steppy:

[cloudspanther]

Thanks dragonschest I posted a link to my album so that people could see what I have currently made. I have been making them just with my fingers, though I tried to win a cutter that supposedly cut the perfect petal. LOL

I would love any and all advice in improving my work

lady bless,
clouds

[mandalamama]

welcome, cloudspanther! have you read glassattic.com (http://www.glassattic.com) yet? they have a zillion polyclay tips. possibly a gazillion-million *lol*

[DragonsChest]

Roses are fun to make, and yours are very nice. Do you use them in necklaces, or as additions to picture frames, or make actual flowers out of them? There is so much that can be done! Also, this is a great place to go for anything poly: http://www.polymerclaycentral.com/index.html

Keep on Claying! :thewave:

[cloudspanther]

My rose's can be used for any of the above. The larger can be used for pins or broaches or I can drill them so you can string them on a necklace you are making. I really have not yet developed past the rose's and my rings. The fimo rings I make you can place over a light bulb on the lamp shade and rub essential oil on and when ever you have the light bulb on it will make the essential oil smell fill your room. It took some trial and error with the thickness of the rings to get it right but I have finally gotten it just there.

My rose's I see more as partial unfinished. Meaning that a fellow crafter could say humm I want to take those two small ones and make earings from them etc. Or I want that large on for the center of a three strand necklace I am making. I dont have that knowledge yet so I am leaving that open at this time to others to explore. At least that is what I am thinking of doing cause I am really starting to gather a large collection of rose's everywhere LOL.

Thanks for the link to glass attic I had not found that one yet I will get to reading as I can.

lady bless,
clouds

[Alpandia]

Wow, you guys are *REALLY* talented. I'm in awe of your work. :fpraise:

I've been wanting to get into polyclay for a while now, and now that life seems to be calming down, I think it might be a good time. I picked up some Sculpey clay at the store this weekend, but I haven't had time to play with it yet.

Thanks for posting those sites! I'd seen polymerclaycentral, but not the glassattic yet! I can see I'll be spending some time reading them over. I'm such a perfectionist and my hardest critic!

*goes back to reading tips for beginners so that she doesn't muck up her clay*

[cloudspanther]

Question
I know some of you ladies do sell your creations, I am looking for advice on how I would price or attempt to sell my rose's?
I am running out of space with an overflow of rose's

lady bless,
clouds

[mandalamama]

Question
I know some of you ladies do sell your creations, I am looking for advice on how I would price or attempt to sell my rose's?
I am running out of space with an overflow of rose's

lady bless,
clouds
i find pricing really difficult. i've read some things that say to figure out what you'd want to be paid per hour, plus look at what other people are charging and be competitive. but then i'd make far less than minimum wage! so i clay for the love of it, not the money. how long do you put into each rose? and can you find at least one other person selling them, perhaps on ebay? that'll help you figure out what your price could be. i think since you make them for other crafters to use, search ebay for "bead sets" you could perhaps sell sets of roses for similar prices! hope this helps :smile:

[cloudspanther]

Thank you I will check.

lady bless,
clouds

[DragonsChest]

Pricing is the hardest part. I still haven't really figured it out. Sorry. _inabox_

[Scarlettvixen]

logically u need to cover the cost of yr ingredients
the time u put into it
the cost of electricity/gas for the oven
depreciation of yr tools/equipment and replacement fund

and then add some for yr profit and artistic endeavour etc

[blackroseivy]

Thre is alwyas eBay! That's where EVERYTHING gets sold. Yes, your components + labor would be fair.

[mandalamama]

here's one i just finished, a faux jade switchplate with bamboo sculpted on it ...

http://www.artwithaheart.com/playwithclay/switchplate_bamboo.jpg

i love love love doing faux jade and other translucent stones! first you start with plain translucent clay, condition it well and roll it out at #1 on a pasta machine ... then lay thin strips of the appropriate colors (just a few, the colors go a LONG way!) ... then throw in some mica powders, some iridescent flakes, perhaps a thin sheet of white or ecru if you're doing agates ... then roll the whole mess up, twist the whole thing once to get the colors moving in nice natural striations, and then moosh it into a neat little cylinder you can trim from. (sorry i have no tutorial pics)

[DragonsChest]

Very nice!! :)

[mandalamama]

thanks!

hey, are we able to start a polyclayers guild yet? how does one go about starting a guild here at MW? i can make a little banner for us. is anyone interested?

[cloudspanther]

I am interested though I am far from a master.

lady bless,
clouds

[DragonsChest]

Sounds like this might be fun - what's entailed in making a guild?

[Scarlettvixen]

Interesting link
http://polymerclaydaily.com/
the fish that she has up right now are stunning

[DragonsChest]

Very cool fish! Here's a great site with my favorites, dragons: http://www.cforiginals.net/

[Scarlettvixen]

http://www.janarobertsbenzon.com/index.html
navigate to the canes section
that blows me away

[Scarlettvixen]

Very cool fish! Here's a great site with my favorites, dragons: http://www.cforiginals.net/


OMG DC
i am in love! this is so gorgeous!
http://www.cforiginals.net/cfj/necklaces/threeescompany.html




http://store.cforiginals.net/dragons.html

[DragonsChest]

Yes, beautiful!!! I bought Christie's Dragon Book, and this is what I made, following her directions. Totally a break from my style, but it's fun and refreshing to do something new. She's got a Yahoo Group, too, that I'm a member of.

[DragonsChest]

http://www.janarobertsbenzon.com/index.html
navigate to the canes section
that blows me away

OMG, yes! I've been to her site, too. I can only wish to ever be as good as she is at caning. _inabox_

[mandalamama]

cool sites/links! DragonsChest, i LOVE that dragon! i saw the ad for that book in PolymerCafe magazine, and wondered how they'd look.

is anyone selling on the MW auction site yet? http://www.mysticwicksauctions.com

i wonder what category polyclayers fit under? jewelry is easy, but i was searching for places to put pens, switchplates, trinket boxes, and all the other odd items that we make. ideas? :smile:

[Sowelu]

http://www.janarobertsbenzon.com/index.html
navigate to the canes section
that blows me away

Wow! I've always wondered how they do that.

[DragonsChest]

cool sites/links! DragonsChest, i LOVE that dragon! i saw the ad for that book in PolymerCafe magazine, and wondered how they'd look.

Thank you! I don't feel like I can honestly sell those, though. It isn't my idea, ya know? I was just following someone else's instructions. It's her inspiration, that she shared.

Now my dragons? On my site? Those are mine!!! They live in my heart and I birthed them. I love creating them for others, with their color choices and things that make them special to them. I feel like I am creating a personality when I sculpt.

[mandalamama]

so, any interest in a polyclayers guild yet? we could be the Polyclaymates *lol*

[Scarlettvixen]

hun i am not sure what u mean by guild
define yr thoughts please?

[sari0009]

so, any interest in a polyclayers guild yet? we could be the Polyclaymates *lol*

Sounds interesting but yes, don't know what would be involved or not...

[mandalamama]

re: guild, nothing formal, i just saw a few "guild banners" here on MW for poets or writers. just for fun :smile:

speaking of fun ... i FINALLY figured out how to do working polyclay hinges!! i'm doing some pretty hefty journals, might be Books of Shadows, definitely sort of Ren-faire looking. i'd been driving myself nuts for many moons trying to come up with clay hinges that wouldn't break.

here it is at 40% size, still needs a lot of work inside and outside. but at least the magnetic clasp and hinge WORKS! :boing:
http://usera.imagecave.com/mellybean/Art/thumb_journal_medieval1.jpg
tip: if you want a hand-hammered "metal" look in polyclay, and you think it takes too long to do it with the end of a paintbrush handle, just make 7 or so little balls of clay, and bake them on to a handle made of scrap clay. it's fun to "hammer" away at a piece! :smile:

[sari0009]

Nice ideas, both. :)

[-Ember]

I've been watching a co-worker make fairies. Something she found was that the vinyl used for table cloths with does fine at 275 for at least 45 minutes (that was as long as she tested)... make a wire frame, edge with clay: transparent wing membrane. And it comes in colors!

[RunningRiot]

Wow, extremely beautiful pieces, everyone. I want to get into PC- but don't know diddly about it! *lol* Now I will research it even more. Keep the talent going, wonderful work. :)

[-Ember]

I've been watching a co-worker make fairies. Something she found was that the vinyl used for table cloths with does fine at 275 for at least 45 minutes (that was as long as she tested)... make a wire frame, edge with clay: transparent wing membrane. And it comes in colors!

Update: it does shrink and ripple a bit...

[mandalamama]

any new polyclay stuff to show and tell? :smile:

[DragonsChest]

:cheers: Check out this thread:

http://www.mysticwicks.com/showthread.php?p=2474432#post2474432