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RainInanna
November 6th, 2005, 01:41 PM
Hi Guys,

Thought it would be convenient to have a central thread for keeping online CM material. Please feel free to add your links to relevant sites, ebooks, etc.

The Hermetic Library (http://www.hermetic.com/) - Libri of Crowley, writings by Bill Heidrick, Benjamin Rowe, Hakim Bey, Austin Osman Spare, The Emerald Tablet of Hermes, The Book of the Dead, The Sepher Yetzirah, etc.

Free Encyclopedia of Thelema (http://www.egnu.org/thelema/index.php/Main_Page) - cultures, godforms, organizations, people, religions, sacred texts, systems, terms, and concepts of Thelema.

Thelema: Information from Answers.com (http://www.answers.com/topic/thelema) - a quick intro to Thelema

Thelemapedia: The Encyclopedia of Thelema (http://www.thelemapedia.org/index.php/Main_Page) - concepts, magick in theory and practice, personalities, sacred texts, religions, organizations and orders, gnostic saints, astrology, kabbalah, etc.

Open Source Order of the Golden Dawn (http://www.osogd.org/) - open source magick and freedom of GD information. Loads of rituals and study materials.

Fr. INRI
November 6th, 2005, 05:42 PM
Don't need to post much. Just observe my links in my siggy.

Mithrea
November 8th, 2005, 02:42 PM
Mine's a little broader and mostly for others looking for info on Thelema:

http://www.religioustolerance.org/thelema.htm

Alkhemia
November 8th, 2005, 03:52 PM
Just adding a few more;


OTO, Golden Dawn and other Ceremonial Magick:

Cicero Golden Dawn (http://www.hermeticgoldendawn.org/index.shtml)

Caliphate OTO (http://oto-usa.org/)

Golden Dawn Robes, Sashes and Ritual Supplies (http://www.azothart.com/cgi-bin/main.pl)

Franz Bardon Research Page (http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/6243/)

The Esoteric Archives (http://www.esotericarchives.com/esoteric.htm) Bar none, this is one of the best CM sites on the net!

The Magickal Review (http://www.themagickalreview.org/index.php)

Thelema Coast to Coast (http://www.thelemacoasttocoast.com/) (an awesome Podcast!)

Peter Koenig's OTO Phenomenon Page (http://user.cyberlink.ch/~koenig/)

Aaron Leitch's Page on Grimoiric Magick (http://kheph777.tripod.com/) Aaron has some good essays and info on his page. Also, he just recently released a book (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0738703036/qid=1131479413/sr=2-1/ref=pd_bbs_b_2_1/104-5828541-5507948?v=glance&s=books) on Solomonic Magic.

The B.O.T.A. (http://www.bota.org/)

Society of Inner Light (http://www.innerlight.org.uk/)

Brotherhood of Light (http://www.light.org/)

Fraternty of Hidden Light (a.k.a. FLO) (http://www.lvx.org/)

Aurum Solis (http://www.aurumsolis.net/)(primarily working within an Ogdoadic paradigm and, last I heard, were no longer having temples in the United States.)

Servants of the Light (http://www.servantsofthelight.org/)

Temple of Thelema (http://www.thelema.org/)

Nightside Magick Supplies (http://www.nightshademagic.com/) - a great resource for all your ceremonial and evocational needs. Athena also has several good articles on her site.

Also, Poke Runyon (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/096548811X/qid=1131479463/sr=2-1/ref=pd_bbs_b_2_1/104-5828541-5507948?v=glance&s=books) has a group (Ordo Templi Astarte) that is concerned with working within a Goetic/Pagan paradigm. Poke is a great guy, a kick-ass magician and the OTA has done some pretty exciting stuff. (In the interest of objectivity, I guess I should admit that I was a member of the OTA for a time in the mid-1990's.) However, the website seems to be down at the moment.

The London Branch of the Oxford Golden Dawn Occult Society (http://www.lawbright.com/logdos/)


Chaos Magick:

The IOT in America (http://iota.goetia.net/)

KIA (http://www.kiamagic.com/kia/)

Phil Hine's Page (http://www.philhine.org.uk/) - this page is a wonderful resource and his essays are insightful.

Chaos Matrix (http://www.chaosmatrix.org/index.php)

ChaosMagick.com (http://www.chaosmagic.com/)

Joel Biroco's Blog and Other Musings (http://biroco.com/)

Thee Temple ov Psychick Youth (http://www.topy.net/index.html)

The Sigil Garden (http://www.sigilgarden.com/)

Fr. INRI
November 8th, 2005, 09:29 PM
Ackkk!!! Caliphate OTO run!!!!!

RainInanna
November 8th, 2005, 09:35 PM
Sorry? Could you explain?

Thanks.

Alkhemia
November 8th, 2005, 10:57 PM
Sorry? Could you explain?

Thanks.

Well, I'm not a Thelemite and have never been associated with a Thelemic Order (although some of my best friends have been Thelemites :lol: ).

Essentially, within ceremonial magick, you can run into some "my Order is better than yours" or "my Path is better than yours" posturing. Some of this is ego-driven, some is driven by inter-Order politics and some is just human nature. At the end of the day, these kinds of arguments are pointless and, really, have absolutely nothing do to with the Great Work. :) Seriously, you pick any CM group and there will be someone on the web or on Usenet complaining about it, spreading gossip or dismissing it entirely. Mostly, enthusiastic newbies like to get into the fray, but it is especially disheartening when those who should (and do) know better engage in this kind of nonsense.

Such is the nature of the...uh...Beast. (Pun intended.) :)

Alkhemia

RainInanna
November 8th, 2005, 11:12 PM
Sure, all that makes sense. I am not familiar with who/what Caliphate OTO is. I think the OTO is a magical organization but what is Caliphate?

Of course you'll find the posturing anywhere, I'm just getting into CM so I have no idea who these organizations are.

Alkhemia
November 8th, 2005, 11:49 PM
Hey Rain Innana:

Basically, there are many different 'flavors' (or offshoots) of the OTO - the 'Caliphate' being one of them. After Crowley died, there was (and still is) some question as to who his legitimate successor (or, OHO) was. A guy named Grady McMurtry claimed to be the legitimate OHO (this is what the Caliphate OTO is in-line with), while others (Motta, Kenneth Grant, etc.) also made claims to being the legitimate OHO.

The Caliphate OTO went to court in the 1970's and essentially laid claim to being the 'real' OTO and authority to be the 'authorized' disseminator of Crowley's works. They won those cases, but the litigious nature and claims of the Caliphate OTO have engendered animosity amongst others in the non-Caliphate OTO community.

Alkhemia

Fr. INRI
November 9th, 2005, 12:06 AM
I reserve the right to bitch about the Caliphate OTO simply because all of my money goes to them anyway whenever I buy a book. So they get my money, I get to whine about them. It's a fair trade, I think.

And really, I don't have a problem with them because my Order splintered off from them through David Cherubim. My complaint with the Caliphate OTO is that they essentially own Crowleyanity, and everything the prophet ever wrote, thought, or sneezed on has been copyrighted and protected by the Caliphate. But hey, thats not always a bad thing, because they do work harder than anybody to preserve the man's work, and thus, I am indebted.

But again, I reserve the right to bitch...so...

ACCCK! Caliphate OTO!


Hey Rain Innana:

Basically, there are many different 'flavors' (or offshoots) of the OTO - the 'Caliphate' being one of them. After Crowley died, there was (and still is) some question as to who his legitimate successor (or, OHO) was. A guy named Grady McMurtry claimed to be the legitimate OHO (this is what the Caliphate OTO is in-line with), while others (Motta, Kenneth Grant, etc.) also made claims to being the legitimate OHO.

The Caliphate OTO went to court in the 1970's and essentially laid claim to being the 'real' OTO and authority to be the 'authorized' disseminator of Crowley's works. They won those cases, but the litigious nature and claims of the Caliphate OTO have engendered animosity amongst others in the non-Caliphate OTO community.

Alkhemia

Alkhemia
November 9th, 2005, 04:51 PM
I reserve the right to bitch about the Caliphate OTO simply because all of my money goes to them anyway whenever I buy a book. So they get my money, I get to whine about them. It's a fair trade, I think.

Frater, you are certainly entitled to your opinion and I am glad to see a fellow CM here on MW. (Really, I was starting to think that I was the only one :lol: ) With that being said, I don't really see the reason to turn this subforum into alt.magick or other heavily biased and contentious places on the net. CM's seem to be in the minority here on MW and I feel that this subforum can become a good source of information instead of a repository for inter-Order pissing contests.

Again, I'm not a member of any Thelemic organization, have never been a member of the COTO and don't anticipate on that changing in the future. However, as you well know, there are also some criticisms of the TGD, David Cherubim (David Wall) and Cherubim's old associate, Chris Hyatt (Alan Miller). I think that starting threads discussing the merits (or demerits) of the TGD, COTO, SOTO, TOTO, AMORC, various Golden Dawn factions, etc. is unproductive and not particularly enlightening.

It was my impression that this subforum would be a place for Fratres and Sorores of various CM paths to discuss things, share ideas, provide information to those new to CM, etc. But, if this is going to become yet another platform for inter-Order politics, bitches and complaints - count me out. I've 'been there, done that.' :)

Alkhemia

Mithrea
November 9th, 2005, 05:20 PM
Frater, you are certainly entitled to your opinion and I am glad to see a fellow CM here on MW. (Really, I was starting to think that I was the only one :lol: ) With that being said, I don't really see the reason to turn this subforum into alt.magick or other heavily biased and contentious places on the net. CM's seem to be in the minority here on MW and I feel that this subforum can become a good source of information instead of a repository for inter-Order pissing contests.

Again, I'm not a member of any Thelemic organization, have never been a member of the COTO and don't anticipate on that changing in the future. However, as you well know, there are also some criticisms of the TGD, David Cherubim (David Wall) and Cherubim's old associate, Chris Hyatt (Alan Miller). I think that starting threads discussing the merits (or demerits) of the TGD, COTO, SOTO, TOTO, AMORC, various Golden Dawn factions, etc. is unproductive and not particularly enlightening.

It was my impression that this subforum would be a place for Fratres and Sorores of various CM paths to discuss things, share ideas, provide information to those new to CM, etc. But, if this is going to become yet another platform for inter-Order politics, bitches and complaints - count me out. I've 'been there, done that.' :)

Alkhemia

Alkhemia, you do know that the owner of MW is right?

Also, you are correct in what this subforum is about. Everyone, please read the stuck thread in the Paths mainsection entitled "Please read before posting in Paths."

RainInanna
November 9th, 2005, 07:58 PM
Hey Rain Innana:

Basically, there are many different 'flavors' (or offshoots) of the OTO - the 'Caliphate' being one of them.

Thank you kindly for the explanation. I am not familiar with the orders and organizations - perhaps you folks in the know could start a thread about them? I appreciate your patience as I am very new to CM :)

Fr. INRI
November 9th, 2005, 10:47 PM
Oh, trust me, I'm no stranger to the critiscms of the TGD and David Cherubim. And I in no mean intend to start a game of "YOUR ORDER SUCKS!". Buncha nonsense. I tend to poke fun at the OTO in a lighthearted manner, and nothing you'll never hear something genuinely derisive about them coming out of my mouth. I have no interests in that sort of bullshit. A little friendly ribbing though? Always. ;)



Frater, you are certainly entitled to your opinion and I am glad to see a fellow CM here on MW. (Really, I was starting to think that I was the only one :lol: ) With that being said, I don't really see the reason to turn this subforum into alt.magick or other heavily biased and contentious places on the net. CM's seem to be in the minority here on MW and I feel that this subforum can become a good source of information instead of a repository for inter-Order pissing contests.

Again, I'm not a member of any Thelemic organization, have never been a member of the COTO and don't anticipate on that changing in the future. However, as you well know, there are also some criticisms of the TGD, David Cherubim (David Wall) and Cherubim's old associate, Chris Hyatt (Alan Miller). I think that starting threads discussing the merits (or demerits) of the TGD, COTO, SOTO, TOTO, AMORC, various Golden Dawn factions, etc. is unproductive and not particularly enlightening.

It was my impression that this subforum would be a place for Fratres and Sorores of various CM paths to discuss things, share ideas, provide information to those new to CM, etc. But, if this is going to become yet another platform for inter-Order politics, bitches and complaints - count me out. I've 'been there, done that.' :)

Alkhemia