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Crystal Raven
November 15th, 2005, 11:55 AM
Mild rant here...
I HATE the term Eclectic!!! Dictionary definition:
1 : selecting what appears to be best in various doctrines or methods

To me (and no offense to anyone) when I think eclectic I think scattered, unfocused, undecided.
Most "Eclectic" Pagans/Neo-Pagans/Witches that I know are NOT scattered, unfocused nor undecided!!!

I am sure this is just me and I am half insane anyhows, 5 kids and all, but I just hate that word. I don't even like saying it, it feels "off" coming out of my mouth. I, personally, would like to have a more clearly defined path. Something I can specifically work on and goals to work towards. A coven is out of the question as I live out in the boonies, and I don't think I'd "fit" with most coven Traditions anyhows. Though when I lived in the city I was involved with classes, attended open & closed circles and at one point was in the process of forming a coven with some others.

So this is my jumping off point, for a start I basicly fit this...


A Hedgewitch is a solitary witch, not necessarily Wiccan. Generally unconcerned with overly formal magical workings, preferring more simple, folk magic. Often an herb worker, working for healing of self and others


A term denoting a Witch who neither belongs to a coven nor tradition but practices in a solitary fashion. Generally this person relies upon self-study, personal discernment, and intuition. The person does not claim to be initiated. This person leads a life similar to the ancient village witch who was called upon for spells and healing potions by the local people. A.G.H


Hedge Witch
One who is very knowledgeable in Nature, usually a Wise Woman, Midwife, Seer, or Healer.

The only place I can see that has a completely different slant is Crooked Heath...

This description has been employed by authors such as Rae Beth in the case of a 'hedgewitch'. From the previous links of the hedge to witchcraft, it's quite obvious that a hedgewitch isn't merely someone who tinkers with plants in their back-garden.
They also state...

Hedgewitchery is a path, usually within the traditional path of witchcraft, and as stated above, uses psychotropic herbs and mushrooms to achieve a trance state, compared to those who use blood control and dancing to achieve the same desire. Hedgecraft isn't used as much today, than as it was when witches thrived. The reason being that most 'witches' of today are Wiccan, and do not use deep trance states to journey to the sabbat, but rather hold them in the physical. Whether this is "wrong" or not is up to the individual witch looking down upon them.
as well as...

Now in our modern age, the term 'Hedgewitch' has become mistranslated. We can blame Rae Beth for this. Rae Beth goes to say on her website that: "The work of the hedge witch is to take the insights of the wildwood mystic and apply them in the service of life, through spells that help and heal the land, other people or creatures, or our own selves."

My "practice" is this...

I celebrate eight sabbats, as well as The Dark Moon Esbats and on occasion the Full Moon Esbats.

My focus is soley on the feminine aspects, my Matron is The Morrigan, and I call upon/worship/dedicate to and whatever else Her for everything even if it is not "listed" somewhere as one of Her specialities or aspects.

At this time I do not work with nor call upon any God.

My rituals include music, dance, chants, prayers, circle casting, consenscrations & cleansings, inviting the quarters, inviting the Goddess, crafts, spell work, meditation and anything else I feel like... ie at Beltaine I do a working to invite a House Guardian.

I have an altar in my kitchen upon which my Guardian has a place.

I believe in and attempt to work with Faeries and otherwordly beings and creatures, and leaving offerings for The Fae is always incorporated in whatever I do.

I have done journies on occasion, and work with/honour animal guides as best I can.

I do not follow The Rede per say, but I do follow "modern celtic pagan ethics" of Respect, Honour, Truth, Service, Loyalty, Hospitality, Justice & Courage.

I honour my ancestors who were all from either Scotland or Wales.

If it is not time for a ritual I do spell work in my kitchen, athame at hand, as my kitchen as well as the rest of my house, is sacred.

I love my "fancy smanshy" tools, athame, staff, crystal chalice etc..

I do divination, tarot, oracles, carteomancy, scrying with a crystal ball and tea leaves.

I have a BOS that is for my eyes only and is not a family book.

I am trying to be a better herbalist and have a few straggely herb plants that put up with me.

I love rocks of all kinds, pretty, plain, from a store, from a driveway, on a beach...doesn't matter.

I love trees, they are the bestest friends one could have and they DO hum!!!

I like folk lore, folk art & other folksie stuff, but am not a historian as "history" per say bores me.


So unless anyone has any HUGE objections (not that I'd really care anyhows) or better thoughts...to hell with everyone...

I AM A HEDGE WITCH!!!

p.s. anyone know of any good books on this? :lol:

Lunacie
November 15th, 2005, 12:19 PM
I would have issues with "selecting what appears to be best” as well. I don’t care for the way that definition was worded. The definition I’m more familiar, and comfortable, with is: selecting or combining elements from a variety of sources, systems, or styles.


I would point out that most Paganism today, and Wicca in particular, evolved in an eclectic way. None are based on practices taken from a single source in the past, although some recons would certainly argue with my assessment. ;)


If you feel you need a label go ahead and choose the one that seems most in keeping with your personal beliefs and practices. I’m not exactly a Wiccan, but that label comes closest to describing my own beliefs and practices.

Crystal Raven
November 15th, 2005, 12:21 PM
ty...and a second ty for not mentioning what a nut I am!!! :lol:

Lunacie
November 15th, 2005, 12:29 PM
:lol: I love being a nut, but I don't want someone else to call me one.

smckim
November 15th, 2005, 01:28 PM
Not crazy or nuts at all!! this is exactly how alot of people that I know feel also. My first study was Wicca, 17 years ago I took alot from it but like you I don't call on a God. I am a solitary Witch, there are so many name tags and labels ugh!! that can make ya nuts! I feel like everything that you wrote here, speaks to me and for me and alot of other people that I know. I even vote for the Celtic Flavoured !!! has a nice sound to it.:broomride

Dave the Druid
November 15th, 2005, 02:07 PM
Call yourself what you will and ignore the nay sayers.

Being nuts is half the fun of this you know. Sane people make me nervous.

Celtic flavoured is good. Labels from others are sounds for the insecure.

Mithrea
November 15th, 2005, 02:12 PM
I'm here . . . looking for the butterscotch :D

Crystal Raven
November 15th, 2005, 04:21 PM
:hugz:

*grabs butterscotch...runs...hides with da bitterscotch* :fpeek:

Dave the Druid
November 16th, 2005, 01:22 PM
Butterscotch is my favourite flavour as well.:dinnertim

BrigidMoon
November 16th, 2005, 01:23 PM
I'm here . . . looking for the butterscotch :D


Yeah. Me too!

Crystal Raven
November 16th, 2005, 04:34 PM
*hands out butterscotch candies >O< >O< >O<
and pudding \_/\_/\_/ to everyone!!!*
:shhhh:

Lunacie
November 16th, 2005, 05:39 PM
Yum ! I love butterscotch.
And chocolate.
And lemon.
And other assorted 'eclectic' flavors.
:lol:

Twig
November 21st, 2005, 02:01 PM
Aaaaah! But words have POWER! Not to the Gods mind you. (They hear a barely whispered prayer better than a shout I have found) So what you need in this case is word substitution!

I offer this instead of eclectic....Cutting Edge. :smoke:

Yeah, that looks a lot better to me.

Good luck. Peace
Twig

(edit) Let me rephrase those first two sentances. It is NOT that simple. Words are oh so important when you formulate ritual and in what you SAY. But the Gods can read your thoughts and intent where as man can't so your word choice is what dictates what other people think. Those who have read this far will find a very important lesson in these words. ;)
Congratulations)

Dave the Druid
November 21st, 2005, 03:21 PM
Aaaaah! But words have POWER! Not to the Gods mind you. (They hear a barely whispered prayer better than a shout I have found) So what you need in this case is word substitution!

I offer this instead of eclectic....Cutting Edge. :smoke:

Yeah, that looks a lot better to me.

Good luck. Peace
Twig

(edit) Let me rephrase those first two sentances. It is NOT that simple. Words are oh so important when you formulate ritual and in what you SAY. But the Gods can read your thoughts and intent where as man can't so your word choice is what dictates what other people think. Those who have read this far will find a very important lesson in these words. ;)
Congratulations)

Words do have power, but the names applied are apalling.

More pudding please.

Rina
November 23rd, 2005, 10:38 AM
Shay Shay! What a post. If I were to attempt to break down my belifs into such nuggets I think I'd look as crazy as you.
But thats the point. In fractals, belief looks crazy because it should be meaningful to you PERSONALLY and everyone is a different person.
Twig's right about the power of names. People use terms like that because they are easy, and in a sense they're reductive because they're so easy. Think your self defining terms through before you use them, try them out round here and see what kind of response you get. But as everyone's different, there will be millions of different terms to express spiritual belief, and if we were all true to ourselves, they'd all get used. Adopt an under-used peice of terminology!
Oh, and the more butterscotch the better.

Crystal Raven
November 23rd, 2005, 12:23 PM
I agree with you both (and ty).

but...

Think your self defining terms through before you use them, try them out round here and see what kind of response you get.

kinda contradicts

it should be meaningful to you PERSONALLY and everyone is a different person.


I having been searching for a "label" aka an identifying word that expands beyond soul, mother, wife, artist, witch...something that does say ME!!!! And "Celtic Flavoured Hedge Witch" is fitting me very nicely and comfortably and feels very very right to me.

*runs off to find more butterscotch*

Rina
November 23rd, 2005, 01:08 PM
Yeah, your right. I retract the second one of those. I blame not enough sleep. more butterscotch

Crystal Raven
November 23rd, 2005, 01:35 PM
*tip toes in...leaves \_/ butterscotch pudding for Rina*

:sleepybed

aluokaloo
November 23rd, 2005, 02:11 PM
I like butterscotch, too. Especially over a big old mound of banana/vanilla ice cream with gummy bears,oreo cookie crumbs, fresh fruit and heath crumbles to top it allllll off!

Lunacie
November 23rd, 2005, 07:03 PM
*tip toes in...leaves \_/ butterscotch pudding for Rina*

:sleepybed

*tip-toes in, swipes the butterscotch pudding, eats it, and leave the empty cup*

Gee, I hope no one saw me! :shhhh:

aluokaloo
November 23rd, 2005, 07:10 PM
*tip-toes in, swipes the butterscotch pudding, eats it, and leave the empty cup*

Gee, I hope no one saw me! :shhhh:



I saw you!:nyah:

FaeryPainter
November 25th, 2005, 01:07 PM
I think I need a little single-malt scotch to wash down my butterscotch with! I've never tried it, I bet that would be good. Hmmmm....butterscotch cookies anyone?

As long as I'm mixing one scotch with another, that wouldn't be considered eclectic would it?