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CleftOfLight
November 27th, 2005, 06:48 AM
This just means you dont believe in the Trinity.Iwas just curious if there are any others that hold to this view.

ancestral_lee
November 27th, 2005, 07:05 AM
inst the trinity one of the fundamentals of christianity though?

MariThorn
November 27th, 2005, 08:00 AM
There are those sects of Christianity that do not believe in the Trinity as mainstreamers do. I know that Baptist's (I was one for 27 years) and Roman Catholics believe in the Trinity. And if you are a died in the wool Catholic, then you believe in the Creed . . . which clearly states that there is a Father Son and a Holy Ghost. I know that in Early Christianity there were "heretical" groups that did not adhere to Papal Bulls and Magesterium . . . I'm fairly certain they are still out there.

Ninjakitten
November 27th, 2005, 05:25 PM
I don't, primarily because I don't consider Jesus to literally have been God, but to have had the authority of the Divine (both masculine and feminine).

CleftOfLight
November 28th, 2005, 04:34 AM
I don't, primarily because I don't consider Jesus to literally have been God, but to have had the authority of the Divine (both masculine and feminine).

I agree ninja

Athene
November 28th, 2005, 07:23 AM
inst the trinity one of the fundamentals of christianity though?

Like most beliefs within Christianity, there are no fundamentals. You could say 'fundamentals of mainstream/Gnostic/Mystical/etc Christianity', and even that would be open to debate. :)

The Trinity is a doctrine, that is, it is church-created rather than a scriptural explicit message. This is not to say it isn't true. But rather that as a doctrine it is up to the indiviudal whether or not you take it as truth, and also as a concept.

So for example, while a person might believe that Godde exists, that the Holy Spirit exists and that Jesus was divine, they may not place them in a group of '3 in 1' - e.g, Jesus could be divine but not neccesarily the only son of God or the same/equal to God. So the concept of the Trinity isn't true for that person.

On a side note, while I do not believe in this doctrine, I dislike the term 'anti-trinitarian'. I believe that there is room for many Christian beliefs and unlikely that there is such a thing as one Truth. This is a general observation, not a remark on your choice of title CleftofLight.

:)

TarotCanada
November 28th, 2005, 07:37 AM
The concept of the Trinity was largely based on the work of Tertullian, a 3rd century Gnostic.

Cheryl

gurlygurl2004
November 28th, 2005, 11:02 AM
I guess I don't really believe in the trinity because I don't consider Jesus as god either, I see him as either a prophet, or someone who just had very deep seeded beliefs and even if most of the people didn't want to hear it, he just couldn't keep his mouth shut and expressed his views, lol:) Kind of like a major rebel, I think that's why he was crucified, not for our sins or whatever, but because he was looked upon as a criminal much like the theif and the other guy he was crucified with. My god is a holy spirit but he/she is an universal spirit as well.

Anita
November 29th, 2005, 05:11 AM
The concept of the Trinity was largely based on the work of Tertullian, a 3rd century Gnostic.

Cheryl

If that is correct and I'm not saying it isn't, I just haven't researched enough about the early "church" (as in anyone who had any beliefs about jesus not what became the mainstream church of today) to be certain it is. Then that is highly paradoxical because the Roman church did their best to stamp out the gnostics.

Ninjakitten
November 29th, 2005, 04:13 PM
If that is correct and I'm not saying it isn't, I just haven't researched enough about the early "church" (as in anyone who had any beliefs about jesus not what became the mainstream church of today) to be certain it is. Then that is highly paradoxical because the Roman church did their best to stamp out the gnostics.

They also tried to stamp out concepts about anything feminine being Divine in any way, but they didn't get rid of Proverbs, though they downplayed the Sophia (which is also talked about in the Apocrypha, which was not included in the Bible), and called her Wisdom... then wisdom, basically taking personality out of her, though they still call her "her". They tried to turn her into merely an aspect of Yahweh to seek rather than the consort of Yahweh that was mentioned in on of the books in the Apocrypha.

Christo Pagan
December 2nd, 2005, 08:08 PM
I don't, primarily because I don't consider Jesus to literally have been God, but to have had the authority of the Divine (both masculine and feminine).

I have to agree with Ninjakitten on this. I believe Jesus was indeed the son of God (the Heavenly Father & Mother who are as one), just as we all are children of God.

MorningDove030202
December 2nd, 2005, 08:38 PM
Unitarians are anti-trinity, hense the name Unitarian.......

Dove

farm girl
December 16th, 2005, 03:33 PM
There are plenty of Christians who do not accept the trinity. Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses, Unitarians, some Gnostics, some liberal Quakers, some Apostolics, and some Messianic Jews. There are also other sects world wide that reject the teaching of the trinity.

The teachings of the trinity didn't come from biblical culture, as they were pretty avid monotheists. (one God, no incarnations) The idea of the trinity is very Indo-European and a belief that way back. For instance, Hinduism, has a trinity. It wasn't a foreign concept to the roman pagan world. In the world of early Christians though, the trinity was quite foreign.

The Christian trinity was accepted at the Council of Nicea with influence largely on Greek philosophy, especially that of Plato. The concept did have supporters and apologists such as Justin the Martyr & Tertullian.

No, I don't believe in the concept of the trinity.


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