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The Gnarled Branch
December 8th, 2005, 01:07 AM
I have discovered over the years that when I talk to people
about art..and they are starting to learn to paint-they more
often than not begin with watercolour paints.


I think this might be a mistake.

I truly think watercolour paint is one of the hardest mediums to
master -nevermind if you are a novice painter.

I always suggest acrylics...
1. easy clean up
2. cheaper than oils
3. no fumes
4. dry fast
5. can cover mistakes easily--

Actually acrylic paints could be handled in a watercolour fashion
by being applied in a very diluted state...

Anyone agree?

I just wonder how many emerging artists give it up -since they become
frustrated of the process...and it's not them to blame but the medium...
it's like learning to write with a calligraphy pen and not a pencil.

There's my art rant for the week...
I'll settle down and sip my beverage.

KEishin
December 8th, 2005, 11:01 AM
I wholeheartedly agree! :)

With acrylics, if you screw up, you can always scrape them off with a razor blade. In watercolors, you have to be fast if you make a mistake and blot it with water *immediately*. Try scraping $6 sheet watercolor paper and see what happens . . .

I started with acrylics first and didn't get introduced to watercolors until I was about 16. I used to dilute them down to do washes while in school (they had no budget for art), similar to water-based pigments. It's not the same treatment, but it's close enough when you're a kid.

I can't tell you you how much paper I went through trying to get watercolors right. and when you have the stretch the paper and let in dry for several hours before you can even pick up a brush. . . let's just say it's not a cheap style! I do it plenty now, but I've also been painting for :counts on fingers: 8 years with watercolors. Practice helps. I only throw away about one page in 10 now. :D

Rant away!:rant:

MysticWitch
December 8th, 2005, 11:07 AM
Thank you for making this post because you reminded me to ask a question that was stuck in my head..
What is an art medium? The type of material you work on? like canvas, papar etc.. or the type of materials you work with, pastals, paints, charcole..etc.. or can they both be mediums?
:foh: Thanks :bigblue:

MysticWitch
December 8th, 2005, 11:09 AM
I dislike water color very much. I don't think its attractive to look at unless its in brown tones for a cafe. I think its rather ugly. I do not like to work with it either.
I work with acrylic paints. I think they have good color depth ( not as colorful as oil ) and they are easy to work with :)


I have discovered over the years that when I talk to people
about art..and they are starting to learn to paint-they more
often than not begin with watercolour paints.


I think this might be a mistake.

I truly think watercolour paint is one of the hardest mediums to
master -nevermind if you are a novice painter.

I always suggest acrylics...
1. easy clean up
2. cheaper than oils
3. no fumes
4. dry fast
5. can cover mistakes easily--

Actually acrylic paints could be handled in a watercolour fashion
by being applied in a very diluted state...

Anyone agree?

I just wonder how many emerging artists give it up -since they become
frustrated of the process...and it's not them to blame but the medium...
it's like learning to write with a calligraphy pen and not a pencil.

There's my art rant for the week...
I'll settle down and sip my beverage.

The Gnarled Branch
December 8th, 2005, 01:07 PM
I always interpreted art medium as the materials you use to apply....

be it oil paints, chalk pastels, conte....

etc.

I suppose in a way the surface could be considered a medium as well...
since you get different looks with various kinds of papers, canvas or
whatever surface you choose...


:graduate:

Crystal Raven
December 8th, 2005, 02:49 PM
k, sorry, got to stick up for my medium :lol:
I love my watercolours, its what I started with and wouldn't part with them for the world!!!
Yes, they can be difficult to control, if you try to go from point A to point X, but if you go step by step, have patience and practice, is a beautiful medium. It also works wonders for us anal-retintives, as you do have to be somewhat loose and be willing to allow for

Mistakes
Accidently
Gaining
Intuitive
Control

to happen!

The Gnarled Branch
December 8th, 2005, 05:49 PM
There's no doubt I can achieve a certain feel with WC that with almost
any other paint would seem too heavy handed...

I think when people hear ' I paint in watercolour' they automatically
envision a very minimilistic valued- rather feeble with colour tones
washed out anemic mess...

Which is not necessarily the case ... alot of layers or glazes can make a WC painting become vibrant and rich with colours...

Not to mention other media go well over it...
inks, pastels, even pencil crayon...

My overall point was that it bothers me to think that someone who
wanted to take up painting -gives it up- because they they think they
aren't any good...when it was mainly the kind of paint they chose to
start with not necessarily talent or lack of it....

Sowelu
December 8th, 2005, 07:08 PM
I have discovered over the years that when I talk to people
about art..and they are starting to learn to paint-they more
often than not begin with watercolour paints.


I think this might be a mistake.

I truly think watercolour paint is one of the hardest mediums to
master -nevermind if you are a novice painter.

I always suggest acrylics...
1. easy clean up
2. cheaper than oils
3. no fumes
4. dry fast
5. can cover mistakes easily--

Actually acrylic paints could be handled in a watercolour fashion
by being applied in a very diluted state...

Anyone agree?

I just wonder how many emerging artists give it up -since they become
frustrated of the process...and it's not them to blame but the medium...
it's like learning to write with a calligraphy pen and not a pencil.

There's my art rant for the week...
I'll settle down and sip my beverage.

I started with acrylics and later fell into watercolors which I love! I find them both to be easy to work with...Oils seem difficult to me.

mucgwyrt
December 13th, 2005, 08:41 AM
I agree too :)

KEishin
December 13th, 2005, 10:48 AM
I love WC now . . . but I had to work long and hard to get it to the point where I would feel proud to show what I'd painted. It took my entire time at art school to get it right! But it does things you can't even dream of with other mediums.

aislin_ryann
December 21st, 2005, 12:46 PM
I started with acrylics. I think they are easier for me, but my art instructor said that it just depends on the person. I have never had much luck with watercolor. I like the texture of acrylic better. :) I have not painted in a while though. I kind of got burned out on it.

stella01904
December 21st, 2005, 01:24 PM
I truly think watercolour paint is one of the hardest mediums to
master -nevermind if you are a novice painter.
Anyone agree?

MM ~ I agree utterly. I can do acrylics, oils, pastels, conte, airbrush enamel, charcoal - ANYTHING but those stupid watercolors. I loathe them!
Everybody thinks you have to be really advanced to use oil paint but that's not the case at all. They take a long time to dry and acrylics dry fast, that's the only difference I see in working with them. The finished product looks nicer done in oils, IMHO.
Watercolors look like crap no matter what I do. If they were all that existed, I'd have never known I had an artistic bone in my body. Some people are good with them but these are usually rich people who can afford training, or went to some rich school that had an art class. You have to buy watercolor abilities.
BB, Stella