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VelvetBlade
December 10th, 2005, 07:26 AM
ISN'T THIS THE TRUTH!

My Mom used to cut chicken, chop eggs and spread mayo on the same cutting board with the same knife, with no bleach - Yet, we never got food poisoning...

Mom would also defrost hamburger on the counter top and allow us to eat some of it raw too - Yet, we never once got sick...

Our school sandwiches were always wrapped in wax paper in a brown paper bag, not in ice-packed coolers - I can't remember getting E-Coli...!

Almost all of us would have rather gone swimming in the lake instead of a
pristine pool (talk about boring) - No beach closures then...

The term cell phone would have conjured up a phone in a jail cell - A pager was the school's PA system...

We all took gym, not PE .. and risked permanent injury with a pair of
high top Ked's (only worn in gym) instead of cross-training athletic shoes
with air cushions soles and built in light reflectors. I can't recall any injuries -but they must have happened, because they tell us how much safer we are now...

Flunking gym was not an option - even for stupid kids! I guess PE must be much harder than gym...

Speaking of school, we all said prayers and sang the national anthem with
pride...

Staying in detention after school caught all sorts of negative attention. We must have had horribly damaged psyches...

What an archaic health system we had then. Remember school nurses? Ours wore a cap and everything...

I thought that I was supposed to accomplish something before - I was allowed to be proud of myself...

I just can't recall how bored we were without computers, Play Stations,
Nintendo, X-box, or 270 Digital TV Cable stations...

Oh yeah, and where was Benadryl and sterilization kits when I got that bee
sting? I could have been killed...

We played 'king of the hill' on piles of gravel left on vacant construction
sites, when we got hurt, Mom pulled out the 48-cent bottle of mercurochrome (kids liked it better because it didn't sting like iodine - Then we got our butt spanked...
Now, it's a trip to the emergency room, followed by a 10 day dose of a $49
bottle of antibiotics. Then the contractor's sued for leaving such a horribly vicious threat - a pile of gravel...

We didn't act up at the neighbor's house either, because if we did, we got
out butt's spanked right then and there. Then again later, when we got
home...

I recall a friend of mine from next door coming over and doing his bike tricks on the front stoop, just before he fell off. Little did his Mom know that she could have owned our house. Instead, she picked him up and swatted him for being such a goof.
It was a neighborhood run amuck.

To top it off, not a single person I knew had ever been told that they were
from a dysfunctional family.
How could we possibly have know that we needed to get into group therapy and anger management classes?

We were obviously so duped by so many societal ills, that we didn't even
notice that the entire country wasn't taking Prozac!
How did we ever survive?

Love to all of us who shared this era ... To those who didn't, I'm sorry
for what you missed... But....I wouldn't trade it for anything

Ahautenites
December 10th, 2005, 09:24 AM
Well, I for one am glad there's no longer praying in school. Not that I actually prayed during the "Moment of Silence" anyway. I never knew what prayer was when I was little.

And I am also glad for the big in-ground pool at my grandparents' house. I don't swim in any lakes or ponds. I don't like being in any water that I can't see the bottom of.

Why the hell would anyone let their child eat raw hamburger? Steak tartar is one thing, but raw hamburg? Ew. Plain ground beef tastes nasty. (Yes, I was a weird kid who ate it. I ate lawn clippings and tree leaves, too. But my mother never fed them to me.)

And the person who wrote this isn't overly intelligent, either. It's the author's generation who created this lovely world we all live in today. It's up to the generation that sprang from the loins of people just like this author who are going to change the world into something altogether different.

MysticWitch
December 10th, 2005, 09:30 AM
Yep back then things seemed so much better.. I wonder why now a days we get so sick when back then we wouldn't even care if we used the same chopping bored for the celery as we did the pork?

Spanking used to be a just deserved punishment, now it's installing fear into our kids when they deserve the spank?

Back then you could raise your family as you wish, now as soon as your children act out in public, some dumb a$$ calls childrens services on your family.

We use to be able to leave our doors un locked and leave our belongs in our front yard, but as soon as you leave your bike out on the porch now a days, its gone 45 min later.

Kids used to make lemonaide stands for cash, now 12 year olds are using friend referrals to make cash by sleeping with boys.

:rolleyes:

MelMullooly
December 10th, 2005, 09:42 AM
I liked it and alot of the info is true, especially how kids act 2day. My fiances niece for example when she doesnt get what she want will literally spit on her mother call her a bitch and say and if u lay 1 finger on me i will tell my teacher u beat me!! If I would even think of doing that when i was younger I would of had to get an ass implant cause my mom would of beat mine till it literally fall off!! Then to say I'll tell my teacher child abuse. Kids today have the control not the parents and ppl thats a very scary situation!

MysticWitch
December 10th, 2005, 09:43 AM
I liked it and alot of the info is true, especially how kids act 2day. My fiances niece for example when she doesnt get what she want will literally spit on her mother call her a bitch and say and if u lay 1 finger on me i will tell my teacher u beat me!! If I would even think of doing that when i was younger I would of had to get an ass implant cause my mom would of beat mine till it literally fall off!! Then to say I'll tell my teacher child abuse. Kids today have the control not the parents and ppl thats a very scary situation!


I agree Mel.

It's very scary.

Jolixte
December 10th, 2005, 10:28 AM
My Mom used to cut chicken, chop eggs and spread mayo on the same cutting board with the same knife, with no bleach - Yet, we never got food poisoning... You can still do this if you want to.


Mom would also defrost hamburger on the counter top and allow us to eat some of it raw too - Yet, we never once got sick... Hmm, and nobody is stopping you doing this either. Ignorance is bliss, I guess. I still eat raw cookie dough.


Almost all of us would have rather gone swimming in the lake instead of a
pristine pool (talk about boring) - No beach closures then... sheesh, go swim in a lake then!


Speaking of school, we all said prayers and sang the national anthem with pride... I'm glad there are no long prayers in school, and I don't care enough about this country to have pride.



Staying in detention after school caught all sorts of negative attention. We must have had horribly damaged psyches... Most schools that I know of still have these.


What an archaic health system we had then. Remember school nurses? Ours wore a cap and everything... Same as above^



We played 'king of the hill' on piles of gravel left on vacant construction
sites, when we got hurt, Mom pulled out the 48-cent bottle of mercurochrome (kids liked it better because it didn't sting like iodine - Then we got our butt spanked...
Now, it's a trip to the emergency room, followed by a 10 day dose of a $49
bottle of antibiotics. Then the contractor's sued for leaving such a horribly vicious threat - a pile of gravel... We are too sue-happy - that I agree with.


To top it off, not a single person I knew had ever been told that they were
from a dysfunctional family.
That's because it was far too taboo back then. It doesn't mean that parents weren't alcoholics or didn't beat the crap out of their kids.

Bleh. It is you that made this era not us, regardless.

Lunacie
December 10th, 2005, 10:33 AM
Some things change.
Some things stay the same.

Some changes are good.
Some changes are bad.

Our parents weren't perfect.
We aren't perfect either.

And the planet just keeps spinning merrily along.

MelMullooly
December 10th, 2005, 10:33 AM
We'll all just agree were getting old to the point of sayin back in my day and these direspectful whippersnappers, so if you'll please excuse me I am going to put my head in the oven and smell the lovely gas because I have turned into my mother. Oh the humanity of it all:hairraise :wtf: :geez: :sadeyes: :ahhhhhhh: :wah: :sniffsnif

Lunacie
December 10th, 2005, 10:37 AM
There were times when my daughter was young that I wondered if I had turned into my mother.

But I outgrew it. :lol:

MerrisHawk
December 10th, 2005, 10:38 AM
I remember growing up in that world, there was no passing the buck, if you did something stupid you deserved the whallop.
Seems to be a lot more "Not my fault" clauses today. A kid skateboards in the neighbors pool while they're on vacation and breaks his arm and the neighbors come home to a lawsuit because the kid was able to bypass the lock on the gate by climbing the fence.

I actually had one of my kids try that line about calling CPS when I made her learn how to close a door correctly so that my pictures didn't fall off the walls. It took her 45 minutes while I very carefully marked the number for CPS in the phone book. When she figured out how to close the door necely I handed her the phone, she changed her mind on the whole phone call idea and apologized.

There are a whole new breed of whiners, gold diggers and idiots loose on the planet with frivolous lawsuits, lame complaints and no sense of responsibility. What's worse is their voices are so loud that common sense gets ignored.

Sowelu
December 10th, 2005, 01:45 PM
ISN'T THIS THE TRUTH!

We played 'king of the hill' on piles of gravel left on vacant construction
sites, when we got hurt, Mom pulled out the 48-cent bottle of mercurochrome (kids liked it better because it didn't sting like iodine - Then we got our butt spanked...
Now, it's a trip to the emergency room, followed by a 10 day dose of a $49
bottle of antibiotics. Then the contractor's sued for leaving such a horribly vicious threat - a pile of gravel...




I remember playing King of the Hill:lol:

WitchJezebel
December 10th, 2005, 02:25 PM
My fiances niece for example when she doesnt get what she want will literally spit on her mother call her a bitch and say and if u lay 1 finger on me i will tell my teacher u beat me!! If I would even think of doing that when i was younger I would of had to get an ass implant cause my mom would of beat mine till it literally fall off!! Then to say I'll tell my teacher child abuse. Kids today have the control not the parents and ppl thats a very scary situation!

That reminds me of a stand up bit that Carlos Mencia did once. He was mouthing off to his mother when he was a kid and he told her that he'd call children's services... his mother put the phone in front of him and said "Oh yeah??? Well, while you're at it, call 911 and tell them that there's a dead Mexican in my house!!" Man I love that guy... :lol:

Now I don't have any children and I'm not planning any as of now, but IF my kid had the onions to say that to me... Gods help them...

LostSheep
December 10th, 2005, 02:27 PM
we all said prayers ...
Now some of us think for ourself ....

Ninjakitten
December 10th, 2005, 02:42 PM
I can agree with many of the gripes in the article. Now that we are such a "me" generation, noone has any respect for the hard work someone puts into their possessions, or even the reasons they might have them, and idiots make judgements on other people's lives to a point where they themselves think that it's not harmful to society and victims when they take things from them.

I remember eating raw hamburger meat, but then I also know that bacteria and viruses evolve at a very high rate and so become dangerous quicker than our immune systems can adapt at times (after all, they can reproduce in thousand of generations what it takes for us to reproduce in one generation).

As for prayer in schools, I'm not for it, but I am for moments of silence, because everyone can use that. If someone wants to silently pray (which some people who think for themselves do, and some that don't think for themselves simply oppose because it's trendy to think so) to their god and/or goddess for wisdom throughout the day, they can. If someone wants to take a moment of quiet and get themselves focused on the day, they can. If people even want to quickly remember a lost grandparent or someone and ask for their guidance, they can. Sure, they can with the noise of a class if they are disciplined enough, but not many kids have the discipline to be in such a meditative state. Moments of silence don't have to be religious in nature. It's a personal moment that everyone in the room respects of one another at the same time.

BeigeAllen
December 10th, 2005, 03:53 PM
Well, I for one am glad there's no longer praying in school. Not that I actually prayed during the "Moment of Silence" anyway. I never knew what prayer was when I was little.

And I am also glad for the big in-ground pool at my grandparents' house. I don't swim in any lakes or ponds. I don't like being in any water that I can't see the bottom of.

Why the hell would anyone let their child eat raw hamburger? Steak tartar is one thing, but raw hamburg? Ew. Plain ground beef tastes nasty. (Yes, I was a weird kid who ate it. I ate lawn clippings and tree leaves, too. But my mother never fed them to me.)

And the person who wrote this isn't overly intelligent, either. It's the author's generation who created this lovely world we all live in today. It's up to the generation that sprang from the loins of people just like this author who are going to change the world into something altogether different.

Taking a personal spiritual moment was what the moment of prayer was all about. I meditated, no one minded as long as I didn't chant, but a chant is just as powerful in the mind so I never chanted out loud anyway. Never went to a school where anyone was forced to do anything other than remain silent during the moment of prayer.

Such a limited life you lead. No lakes, rivers, or oceans? Only pristine pools? So you will never know the thrill of swimming with dolphins, sharks, or manta rays. The sheer power of sharing space with a tangible force of nature. I pity you for that. Those moment spent in the cloudy deeps have been among the most spiritually powerful of my life. Not to mention the pure bacchanalian relaxation of soaking in a natural hot spring. Your skin and body love you for months after a good lime soaking. The best ones I have found are the ones that require a little climbing to get to, and their water usually looks like fresh milk, white and totally opaque.

My parents fed me raw hamburger when I was young because I could not process the proteins from vegetable sources or cooked meats. Raw hamburger used to be one of the safest raw beefs you could eat. Now I have to pay $15 a pound for a hermitcally sealed hygenically prepared cut of beef that doesn't taste half as good as that raw burger did when I was a kid. I still like clover salad, got to chew fresh clover when I was younger and never lost the taste for it. I make breads that have both pine needles and pine nuts in them, and they are very tasty and very popular this time of year. Though I do not only eat raw meat (I like pork fried rice and fried chicken too much for that), I still must take in so much per day or I go into protein starvation. If you had it, you would have to do the same thing.

What is or isn't nasty goes right out the window when its a matter of living or dying. What sucks is that the reason why I have to buy that high dollar piece of beef is somewhere along the line the number of people who don't wash after using the toilet went way up. Most mammals have E. coli in their bodies. It is one of the bacteria that break down remnants of the foods we eat. We are immune to our own form, but only our own strain of it. So I really do wish the workers of today would adopt the work ethic of the past and develop a little pride in whatever jobs they have.

Sorry, you cannot blame the past for the problems of the present unless you have a viable solution to the problem or unless you give them credit for their successes. Fact is, extreme sports were better before they got TV coverage. People didn't feel as unilaterally depressed when they actually had to leave the house for something other than work and shopping. Neighbors talked in the past. We didn't live in fear of our neighbors, just of nuclear bombs. We threw block parties, and held garage sales together. Now we barely nod on the way to work.

And yes, the past is always simpler than the present is or than the future will be. The past only has to deal with its own problems. Present has to deal with the problems of the past and the present. Future is really messed up, it has to deal with all the problems. In the past, most people worked one of 3 very easy to remember schedule styles. Now you can have people working any hour of the day or night. We spend so much time running into each others differences that we seldom notice the similarities.

It was the battles of the past that got you the freedoms you do have in the present. It is the fears of the present that curtail those freedoms. It was the work of the past that got you the gadgets in the present. If you used the work ethic of the past you would get a lot farther. It was the death of the past that led to the life in the present.

In the past, we had more cases of many diseases that we have reduced to almost rarities. This year there were less than 40 cases of measels. I remember when I was a kid and half our class was down with the measles. In the past, things were more dangerous; we lived shorter lives, worked fewer hours, and actually got to spend a little more time with our families. Then we got the gadgets and we spend twice as long working and less time with our families. My children know of several families that communicate more by device than they do face to face. The very gadgets the children feel are so vital to their lives are a large part of the problem with why they are so unhappy.

As little as 20 years ago, there was only one place where we really cared about a brand name, and that was our jeans, if we cared at all. Now we all have a preferred designer something. I can't say about the rest of our little green marble, but here in the US we are all way to into hoarding. Pagans are no better, each of us has our little piles of stuff that we collect. The Information superhighway only showed us the same thing Rand McNally had for years: that there are a lot of wide places in the middle of nowhere that are fun to play with if you can find the way, and that quickly get covered with the litter of those who have visited. :fprtyman3

What's funny is that the only original thing left that kids haven't done to rebel against their parents is obeying their parents, by the time they figure it out, they are usually parents:))

Sequoia
December 11th, 2005, 01:50 PM
That was a cute little fantasy romp. Ahh, the "Golden Days" that never really existed. The coverup of the 50s/60s.

Why didn't you get sick from the raw foods? They were probably fresh, right out of your own neighbourhood. Can the same always be said today?

Mercurochrome. That sounds dangerously like it might contain, oh I don't know, Mercury? :rolleyes: Maybe not ALL scrapes need antibiotics (and NEARLY ALL doctors know not to prescribe antibiotics when not needed these days), but you'd be damn greatful if your cut got infected, or you came down with Scarlet Fever, or god forbid your parents were stupid enough to jump on the "Immunizations cause Autism/MS/Lupus/The Plauge!" bandwagon and you came down with Whooping Cough or your Chicken Pox became infected and you hovered close to death, save only for modern medicine. Does nobody remember Polio?

My mother's father used to bring home bits of Mercury from his work for the kids to play with. Imagine that. Houses were painted with LEAD paint. There was lead in gasoline. Single mothers were "failures of society." Expressing any second thought about your country was BAD, and expressing any idea such as single-payer health care would have gotten you labled a "Commie" so fast your head would spin.

There were cute, sweet, "Leave it to Beaver", "Father Knows Best" parts about those days. But there was also a lot of suffering and ignorance too. It's easy enough to gloss it over and call it Camelot - It's always helpful to have a "good old days" to remember. But the were NOT.

Yes, people are sue-happy and shallow today. But at least it's well known. Not to mention that today we are generally safer and healtheir from a lot of those lawsuits. (Nobody's heard of Erin Brokovitch?) The flaws of yester-year were carefully hidden, stuffed in the closet, yet the elephant in the living room. That forward was cutesy, but not really demonstrative of reality.

Old Witch
December 11th, 2005, 02:11 PM
ISN'T THIS THE TRUTH!

My Mom used to cut chicken, chop eggs and spread mayo on the same cutting board with the same knife, with no bleach - Yet, we never got food poisoning...

Mom would also defrost hamburger on the counter top and allow us to eat some of it raw too - Yet, we never once got sick...

Our school sandwiches were always wrapped in wax paper in a brown paper bag, not in ice-packed coolers - I can't remember getting E-Coli...!

Almost all of us would have rather gone swimming in the lake instead of a
pristine pool (talk about boring) - No beach closures then...

The term cell phone would have conjured up a phone in a jail cell - A pager was the school's PA system...

We all took gym, not PE .. and risked permanent injury with a pair of
high top Ked's (only worn in gym) instead of cross-training athletic shoes
with air cushions soles and built in light reflectors. I can't recall any injuries -but they must have happened, because they tell us how much safer we are now...

Flunking gym was not an option - even for stupid kids! I guess PE must be much harder than gym...

Speaking of school, we all said prayers and sang the national anthem with
pride...

Staying in detention after school caught all sorts of negative attention. We must have had horribly damaged psyches...

What an archaic health system we had then. Remember school nurses? Ours wore a cap and everything...

I thought that I was supposed to accomplish something before - I was allowed to be proud of myself...

I just can't recall how bored we were without computers, Play Stations,
Nintendo, X-box, or 270 Digital TV Cable stations...

Oh yeah, and where was Benadryl and sterilization kits when I got that bee
sting? I could have been killed...

We played 'king of the hill' on piles of gravel left on vacant construction
sites, when we got hurt, Mom pulled out the 48-cent bottle of mercurochrome (kids liked it better because it didn't sting like iodine - Then we got our butt spanked...
Now, it's a trip to the emergency room, followed by a 10 day dose of a $49
bottle of antibiotics. Then the contractor's sued for leaving such a horribly vicious threat - a pile of gravel...

We didn't act up at the neighbor's house either, because if we did, we got
out butt's spanked right then and there. Then again later, when we got
home...

I recall a friend of mine from next door coming over and doing his bike tricks on the front stoop, just before he fell off. Little did his Mom know that she could have owned our house. Instead, she picked him up and swatted him for being such a goof.
It was a neighborhood run amuck.

To top it off, not a single person I knew had ever been told that they were
from a dysfunctional family.
How could we possibly have know that we needed to get into group therapy and anger management classes?

We were obviously so duped by so many societal ills, that we didn't even
notice that the entire country wasn't taking Prozac!
How did we ever survive?

Love to all of us who shared this era ... To those who didn't, I'm sorry
for what you missed... But....I wouldn't trade it for anything
That's how it was when I grew up...Two magnificent big oaks to be any castle, ranch, country I wanted them to be..and the Atlantic ocean was my swimming hole...Ran in and out of friends homes as we wanted.."quit slamming that screen door" My bike was whatever mode of transportaton I wanted it to be...more often a horse than not...I had a good childhood, had board games, didn't need no stinking Game Boy...What's wrong with a Game Girl?

VelvetBlade
December 11th, 2005, 02:46 PM
That was a cute little fantasy romp. Ahh, the "Golden Days" that never really existed. The coverup of the 50s/60s.

Why didn't you get sick from the raw foods? They were probably fresh, right out of your own neighbourhood. Can the same always be said today?

Mercurochrome. That sounds dangerously like it might contain, oh I don't know, Mercury? :rolleyes: Maybe not ALL scrapes need antibiotics (and NEARLY ALL doctors know not to prescribe antibiotics when not needed these days), but you'd be damn greatful if your cut got infected, or you came down with Scarlet Fever, or god forbid your parents were stupid enough to jump on the "Immunizations cause Autism/MS/Lupus/The Plauge!" bandwagon and you came down with Whooping Cough or your Chicken Pox became infected and you hovered close to death, save only for modern medicine. Does nobody remember Polio?

My mother's father used to bring home bits of Mercury from his work for the kids to play with. Imagine that. Houses were painted with LEAD paint. There was lead in gasoline. Single mothers were "failures of society." Expressing any second thought about your country was BAD, and expressing any idea such as single-payer health care would have gotten you labled a "Commie" so fast your head would spin.

There were cute, sweet, "Leave it to Beaver", "Father Knows Best" parts about those days. But there was also a lot of suffering and ignorance too. It's easy enough to gloss it over and call it Camelot - It's always helpful to have a "good old days" to remember. But the were NOT.

Yes, people are sue-happy and shallow today. But at least it's well known. Not to mention that today we are generally safer and healtheir from a lot of those lawsuits. (Nobody's heard of Erin Brokovitch?) The flaws of yester-year were carefully hidden, stuffed in the closet, yet the elephant in the living room. That forward was cutesy, but not really demonstrative of reality.

Sorry, but it WAS that way for some of us growing up. It is demonstrative of our realities.
And no one said anyone was to blame for anything. Those who lived it, know it's how it was...those of a younger generation blame generations prior for their attitudes....oh well !!

~VB

Sequoia
December 11th, 2005, 04:04 PM
Sorry, but it WAS that way for some of us growing up. It is demonstrative of our realities.
And no one said anyone was to blame for anything. Those who lived it, know it's how it was...those of a younger generation blame generations prior for their attitudes....oh well !!

~VB
Actually, hon, it is that way for some kids growing up today, as well. But not for ALL kids. Just as it wasn't for all kids in the past.

People stereotype the past as being "the good old days", just as they stereotype the present as crappy, shallow, childish, and a shame. I'm sure there were people who thought your "good old days" were a shame.

And I don't blame anyone for my attitudes o_O; Nor do I see how that is relevant.

WokeUpDead
December 11th, 2005, 05:06 PM
Nowadays if you hit your wife you might actually go to jail. What is this world coming to?

Calen
December 11th, 2005, 06:58 PM
It's the author's generation who created this lovely world we all live in today.

That is what frustrates me about these things, and there are plenty of them. They act as though it's the current generation who have made these changes, but it's not. If anything, these rants should be written by his mother's generation.

'I cut up raw meat and vegetables on the same cutting board! What, that wasn't good enough for you?'

beachj
December 11th, 2005, 09:12 PM
It seems socitey in general is straying away from responsibiltiy.
Everyone always points the finger. It's his fault, its her fault, its not my fault beucsae I have (inseart name of disease here that some Dr made up so he could sell meds for it)

*sigh*
People need to take responsibility for their own actions, or lack thereof. People need to stop being offended by stupid crap. If something offends you don't look at it. Thats my opinion.

Lilith79
December 11th, 2005, 10:02 PM
Oh yeah, and where was Benadryl and sterilization kits when I got that bee
sting? I could have been killed...
Some could have been. Bee stings are deadly for some. I have an allergic reaction, soon I will need an epi pen. The last time I got stung, I was on steroids for a week.