im a new spell caster

[fatimah2001]

a relaitive of mine wnats me to make someone fall in love with them. i mean thats what she wants! lol i mean piont blank i mean i know thats not what her problem is... but thats still what she wants...
umm.... i dont usually do spells like this but i do want the experince, u know?
the only thing is my particular spell caster says she takes care of my karmic obligation back to her.... how do i do that? or do you have any pionters for someone casting spells for other people?
ok just a reminder...b-cuz sometimes i come on here for advice and ppl be tryin to degrade me n shit, im asking for advice so.... if you'd rather talk shit to me and tell me im stupid i'll just put u on iggy!:Dlol

[Vincent Verthaine]

a relaitive of mine wnats me to make someone fall in love with them. i mean thats what she wants! lol i mean piont blank i mean i know thats not what her problem is... but thats still what she wants...
umm.... i dont usually do spells like this but i do want the experince, u know?
the only thing is my particular spell caster says she takes care of my karmic obligation back to her.... how do i do that? or do you have any pionters for someone casting spells for other people?
ok just a reminder...b-cuz sometimes i come on here for advice and ppl be tryin to degrade me n shit, im asking for advice so.... if you'd rather talk shit to me and tell me im stupid i'll just put u on iggy!:Dlol

Screw what she says about "taking care of the Karmic obligation" bullcrap,using magic to manipulate another persons emotions is a form of spiritual violation/rape.If a person willing to do that,what else are are they capable of.If your relative can't make that person fall in love with them natually,maybe is NOT MEANT TO BE.
Human emotions are very complex.And being able to manipulate them and not make a total mess out of everything takes years and years and years of practice.And you'll end up with lots of "mistakes"(shattered human psyches) along the way.And since you admit you don't have the experience,don't try it.You'll just end up screwing every up even worse.I've said it on this forum before:the biggest problem with a lot of people who practice magic is that they overrate themselves.

[LadyCelt]

it won't be love. no offense to them, but they seem like a manipulating person if they asked you to do a spell for them as well as wanting a spell for someone to love them. It won't be love even if it "works." Love isn't done through spells.

[morningstar2651]

a relaitive of mine wnats me to make someone fall in love with them.Is there a reason they don't do it theirself?
umm.... i dont usually do spells like this but i do want the experince, u know?I'd say it's a bit sadistic, but to each their own...
the only thing is my particular spell caster says she takes care of my karmic obligation back to her.... how do i do that?If you don't want to take responsibility for an action, then don't do it.
or do you have any pionters for someone casting spells for other people?Some generic advice:

Don't use magic when mundane action will suffice.
Mind your own business.
You are responsible for what you do.
If you find yourself looking for a loophole in your ethical code, you ought to rethink your actions or rethink your ethical code.


On Love:
To be loved, be lovable.

[Crimson Mage]

First, no one can free you of your karmic obligation but yourself. Its your action, and you alone are responsible for it.
Secondly, are you prepared for the consequences that could occur if you actually did this, and then that person turned out to be some kind of axe-murderer who is now tied to your relative due to something YOU did?
Third, you have a certain moral obligation here as well. Just because someone asks for something doen not mean they should have it. If that was true, we'd all be millionaires. You obviously think there's SOMETHING wrong about it -- at least thats what your post insinuates. Sometimes the best decision is to do what YOUR karma tells you is right, and not what someone else is pressuring you to do. And the poster above me is 100% correct -- if you cant clearly justify your actions without having to stretch your moral code, or make some kind of moral "excuse" for your actions -- then you shouldnt be considering it from the very start. Knowledge is better gained by positive experiences than by tip toeing out at the edge trying to bend your definition of whats right to suit your purpose at the moment. The right thing is ALWAYS the right thing -- sometimes though, it isnt the easiest, especially when we must say no.

[wyldwolf]

I have to agree with the previous posts. Don't for get the Rede, 'An ye harm none, so mote it be! You have no idea as to what type of harm you could be doing to all involved. If she wants this done so badly, let her do it, let her take the chance of what the fall out may be.

[fatimah2001]

[QUOTE=.sometimes though, it isn't the easiest, especially when we must say no.[/QUOTE]
yeah, thats basically where im stuck at....:o lol
yeah.... ive been telling her I'll give her a reading and we'll take it from there but she wants to make him love her....basicly what it is with her is she know he likes her and is attracted to her, she just wants to be sure he loves her ... but the way she's wording it is she wants to make him love her.... hopefully u understand what I'm going through.... now i see why noone in my familiy kicks it with that side of the family! lol:aburst:
but i keep sayin to her I'll be glad to make u a spell to help you find true love...(u know stuff like that). i mean...(excuse me i just wanna vent a little:o) she really doesn't love him, she just likes him and wants to be dominary! :o excuse me. so i really cant do that i keep telling her in the nicest way possible i cant do that...but i dont think shes getting the picture... i even suggested her to my spell caster (who is bomb by the way)
aaaaaaaug!!!!!! im so frustrated! cuz i really wanna to cute spells for ppl but i dont wanna do stuff like that ... really the type of love spells i wanna do are like...: send me somebody im lonely, or.... gimmie sex appeal,noteice me and like attraction spells i dont wanna do stuff like that...
i mean i dont wanna be a famous spell caster but just something to do on the side u know? ... anyway...thanks for letting me vent:(:o

[Mouse]

*hugs* Seems like you are looking for someone to be your ginnea-pig while you learn your spell casting.. which to me is a good idea. :) Perhaps making a thread offering spells might be the way to go, and people can give you feed back? just an idea.
kudos to you for standing by your morals, btw! I spose seeming she isn't getting the point is say to her "I will tell you how to do it yourself, but I wont do it for you". Some people just wont get the point till you beat them over the head with it. :p
Best wishes!

[fatimah2001]

*hugs* Seems like you are looking for someone to be your ginnea-pig while you learn your spell casting.. which to me is a good idea. :) Perhaps making a thread offering spells might be the way to go, and people can give you feed back? just an idea.
kudos to you for standing by your morals, btw! I spose seeming she isn't getting the point is say to her "I will tell you how to do it yourself, but I wont do it for you". Some people just wont get the point till you beat them over the head with it. :p
Best wishes!
hahahalol!
thanks!:)

[morningstar2651]

To be loved, be lovable.
If you try to force someone to love someone, you're almost guaranteed to fail. Therefore, the solution is to make the person seeking love more lovable (which, by the way, will most likely not be against his/her free will, just ask them if it's okay first to be certain).

She really doesn't love him, she just likes him and wants to be dominary!If you're trying to have her become lovable, you may have your work cut out for you. I think it would be a bad idea, but it's your call to make.

Also, I'm glad to hear that your sticking by your moral code even though she's pressuring you to violate your own ethics.

[fatimah2001]

thanks u guys1

[RunningRiot]

Hm.. Unless she participates in the ritual and makes a formal announcement to the universe using blood sacrifice from her own fingers, I can't imagine any other way to send karma at her.

[fatimah2001]

Hm.. Unless she participates in the ritual and makes a formal announcement to the universe using blood sacrifice from her own fingers, I can't imagine any other way to send karma at her.
damn, for realz!:eek:
dats deep!

[dr_zeus440]

using magic to manipulate another persons emotions is a form of spiritual violation/rape.

so i take it that you are also opposed to dental hygiene on the basis that its considered attractive? because ultimately, what you're saying is that using something in an attempt to attract the affection of someone else is rape.

If a person willing to do that,what else are are they capable of.

yes. the world is a scary, scary place. incidentally, i pick my nose. OF WHAT ELSE AM I CAPABLE?! ha.

If your relative can't make that person fall in love with them natually,maybe is NOT MEANT TO BE.

i thought one of the big ideas fuelling chaos theory was probability...i.e. that nothing is "MEANT TO BE". anyway, what i do gather from this is that you're not opposed to attracting other people "naturally". tell me, what do you consider natural? walking around in clothes with make-up on, our hair all cut and styled, feet boxed up in shoes, teeth clean and white from that dental hygiene i mentioned earlier? where exactly do you draw the line, and what exactly is it that puts magic on one side and the natural world on the other?

Human emotions are very complex.And being able to manipulate them and not make a total mess out of everything takes years and years and years of practice.

hmmm. good luck with that. and i think im done replying to this one.

it won't be love. no offense to them, but they seem like a manipulating person if they asked you to do a spell for them as well as wanting a spell for someone to love them. It won't be love even if it "works." Love isn't done through spells.

i dont claim to know everything about love. but i think i know enough about it to know that its deeply personal and different for each person/persons, so i wouldnt go about making definitive statements about it. so i disagree with you LadyCelt, but youre not too far off the mark in my books. love is different for different people, and often one confuses love or the desire to be loved for something else or the desire for something else, particularly when one is young. i imagine that love can come about through magic but, like everything, i daresay there are atleast two sides to that coin.

morningstar: generally nice.

crimson mage: you used the word 'karma' where the word 'conscience' is far better suited. that and you and i have vastly different views on just what is karma (e.g. you might believe that its a system through which 'good' actions are rewarded and 'bad' actions are punished, whereas i might believe that its hindu, flawed, and not at all as direct as you think it is). but you do emphasise morningstars point: if you have to look for a loophole in your "moral code" etc., then you need a new one.

mouse: i agree, in this situation, it sounds like direct is best.

liawifemother: i dont hold with this "formal announcement" stuff, but blood is usually good. all the better if this particular friend got off her behind and did this for herself. but still, blood is good.

fatimah: if it doesnt have to be done, and you dont want to do it, then dont do it (useful concept that). if you dont care, then palm the responsibility of choice off on to someone else. either way, actions almost have consequences. the only way to be guaranteed of being consequence free is by being inert, as it were.

[Platinum Dove]

so i take it that you are also opposed to dental hygiene on the basis that its considered attractive? because ultimately, what you're saying is that using something in an attempt to attract the affection of someone else is rape.


I believe Vincent meant that the use of magick to attract the affection of someone else specifically (for instance Joe Blow down the street who's married with 5 children that you knnow from work), instead of using magick to attract a certain type of person (for instance, a person with a kind heart, a great communicator). In the first instance, yes, I agree with Vincent in that it would be a violation of that person's free will.

[Aidron]

No offense to some of you, but there are certain things said within this thread that make me cringe to find them listed as "good advice", such as "do not use magic when mundane actions will suffice".

Yes, and if you want to listen to piano, by that same token you should not bother to ever learn to play or to pay pianists for their services, you should instead either imagine the song or listen to a recording.

The aforementioned advice seems to be a generic pop-culture train of thought presenting magic as anything but magic and to use it denotes a state of laziness. Pardon me if that makes me want to vomit myself into oblivion.

As to karmic obligation, karma deals with what happens in your next life, not next week. If you believe in reincarnation, then and only then is karma applicable (though you do not have to believe in karma to believe in reincarnation). Secondly, karma is defined by action, not intent. If you undertake the action to manipulate someone by any means to fall in love with another when they are unwilling to do such, you are responsible. In karma, however, intent and thought are considered action (i.e. all things are action, producing effects, etc.). So, to put it simply, you are just as responsible as she is, if you believe in karma.

Whether you do or do not, you logically only have two choices; to perform the spell and accept the consequences, whatever they may be (and there are consequences for every action [and in this instance I'm referring to thoughts and emotions as well, i.e. they produce an effect]). Your other option is to do nothing and spare yourself any anxiety over fearing what may be.

[RunningRiot]

damn, for realz!:eek:
dats deep!

:hahugh: So funny sounding when you say it!

[RunningRiot]

liawifemother: i dont hold with this "formal announcement" stuff, but blood is usually good. all the better if this particular friend got off her behind and did this for herself. but still, blood is good.


Just dishing from my experience.. You're right, though.. The universe is usually smart to enough to catch on to someone by itself, but I'd still make 'em tell it theirself.

[Tabbykitty]

Hi Fatimah2001,


no offense to anyone for the advise given, but I'd like to share with ya my thoughts about "sending the karma at her".

There is no way in the universe to send karma you have created doing a particular deed at someone. (ie. making someone responsible for the action). Believe me, I have spent a lot of time thinking about this very same thing. I have also spent a lot of time paying back the karma I have accumulated.

No matter what vow or declaration a person might say to take upon themselves the karma for whatever action that was committed, the karma still remains and is not completed. If you participated in the action/ritual in any way, you also accumulated some karma on your part.

If you let her take the karma onto herself via ritual or do some ritual to push the karma onto her (even if it is with her consent), that also accumulates some karma for yourself. And this unfortunately is one of the most deadly types of karma you can accumulate. From where I come from this is called the karma of manipulation.

You might not feel the effects in this lifetime but definitely subsequently it will come back to you to "balance the scales" so to speak.

What happens then? Well, the manipulator becomes the manipulated. Your power in this lifetime will result in powerlessness in the next. I know this cos I am living though the nightmare of this particular karma.

You can avoid this. Don't fall into the trap of someone who says they are all willing to take the karma upon themselves. It doesn't absolve you of your part in this particular situation.

Be happy doing lovable, cute spells to help others find true joy. There is great wisdom in taking joy in the simple things in life.

I am not saying this to frighten you, merely to caution you and hope you avoid the pitfalls that come with casting spells. And once again, what I have said is strictly IMHO. Believe it or not, its up to you. I hope what I have said was well phrased and benefits you.

My two cents.

[BlackMagicalCat]

God handles my Karma,and I trust him.

Fatimah,its nice of you to want to help someone to fall in love,and be happy.
May you be blessed for your caring heart.God see,s the intent of your heart also.

You are however taking on a big task.I pray this will be a learning experience for you precious one.


Your friend J. E.

[MorningDove030202]

Why not just do a general "bring the right person into her life" spell for her and tell her you did it and see what happens?

Dove

[Harmony Aurore]

ok... weird question. I thought that although doing a binding spell (or something like it) to make someone love someone was wrong... BUT I thought that you could cast a spell to be more open to love in general. Wouldn't that be ok? I thought that wouldn't be harmful.

correct me if I'm wrong please! I'm a total newbie so i'm not sure.

[Faeawyn]

ok... weird question. I thought that although doing a binding spell (or something like it) to make someone love someone was wrong... BUT I thought that you could cast a spell to be more open to love in general. Wouldn't that be ok? I thought that wouldn't be harmful.

correct me if I'm wrong please! I'm a total newbie so i'm not sure.
Sort of right. To cast a spell to help your friend find her true love is great....to cast a spell to force someone to love another is wrong IMO. Now if you were to open someone up to love, realize that they would be open to loving anyone, and perhaps not the person you intended. You must be very very specific with certain spells, and general with others. This is where experience comes in and why some spend a long time educating themselves before doing spells. Good luck :)

[Harmony Aurore]

Sort of right. To cast a spell to help your friend find her true love is great....to cast a spell to force someone to love another is wrong IMO. Now if you were to open someone up to love, realize that they would be open to loving anyone, and perhaps not the person you intended. You must be very very specific with certain spells, and general with others. This is where experience comes in and why some spend a long time educating themselves before doing spells. Good luck :)


well, i know that it wouldn't guarentee that specific person to fall in love... but atleast its sort of half what she wanted and you wouldn't get stuck with bad karma, right?

[Faeawyn]

And what happens when your friend comes running back to you in tears because he fell in love with the girl next door and they're getting married? What if your friend, in desperation, does something she might regret? These are the kinds of things that can happen when casting spells. That is why they take so much thought and planning. The best thing to do is to do a spell that helps your friend find her true love....bring him to her. This guy may not even be good to her. You may find out later that in a fit of rage a year from now, he shoots her....then you feel responsible. You have to look at the big picture and at all the angles of possibility :)
Help her to find a man who doesn't need a spell to fall in love with her.

[Harmony Aurore]

That's really odd. I didn't think about it that way. I guess that every detail you fail to throw into your spell has consequences. Have to be very specific. It's weird how although that's what i meant... the re wording of a sentence does seem to have a lot to do with it... every word has a specific meaning.
it's just all kinda crazy how dangerous it could be.

[Faeawyn]

BINGO!! :thumbsup: Consequences play a big part in spellwork. You have to be willing to accept them. And yes, it can be dangerous, which is why we caution people about it. You really have to be confident in what you're doing before attempting certain types of spells, especially those that effect others :)

[morningstar2651]

That's really odd. I didn't think about it that way. I guess that every detail you fail to throw into your spell has consequences. Have to be very specific. It's weird how although that's what i meant... the re wording of a sentence does seem to have a lot to do with it... every word has a specific meaning.
it's just all kinda crazy how dangerous it could be.Forcing someone into love against their will is comparable to rape.

[Harmony Aurore]

morningstar: i didn't mean that at all... i won't argue you on that point. But like we discussed before, it's all about the wording of it... right? if the intent is that someone finds love (as in to be open to loving someone... open to the possibility, not be blind to it being there)... but not forcing someone to fall in love. you know what i mean? but i suppose it's a more appropriate spell if it's for you or if the person you're doing it for is someone who asks you to do it.

Faeawyn: So how does one gain that experience when they practice on their own? How do you gain that confidence. I know that for the first few spell i try, I'm going to be scared shitless (pardon the expression) that i'm going to mess up MAJOR. you know? so how does somebody gain the knowledge if they shouldn't do it because they don't have the knowledge in the first place. it's like a vicious circle

[morningstar2651]

morningstar: i didn't mean that at all... i won't argue you on that point. But like we discussed before, it's all about the wording of it... right? if the intent is that someone finds love (as in to be open to loving someone... open to the possibility, not be blind to it being there)... but not forcing someone to fall in love. you know what i mean? but i suppose it's a more appropriate spell if it's for you or if the person you're doing it for is someone who asks you to do it.
Sorry if my quoting you was confusing. I was pointing out the difference between forcing someone and making yourself more receptive. I was supporting what you said. :)

[morningstar2651]

So how does one gain that experience when they practice on their own? How do you gain that confidence. I know that for the first few spell i try, I'm going to be scared shitless (pardon the expression) that i'm going to mess up MAJOR. you know? so how does somebody gain the knowledge if they shouldn't do it because they don't have the knowledge in the first place. it's like a vicious circle
I studied various occult topics off and on for about seven or eight years before I began practicing. Most people would probably find that period of time excessive.

My advice is to read books and ask questions of people who have been practicing for a few years if you are uncertain about something. Here (http://www.themystica.com/) is one of the first websites I learned from.

[Harmony Aurore]

cool! cause that's always fun! lol

[blackroseivy]

There are TONS of misunderstandings about love spells...!

[Harmony Aurore]

I studied various occult topics off and on for about seven or eight years before I began practicing. Most people would probably find that period of time excessive.

My advice is to read books and ask questions of people who have been practicing for a few years if you are uncertain about something. Here (http://www.themystica.com/) is one of the first websites I learned from.


thanks for the website. i browsed through it so far... looks pretty good.
i have read a bit, but i can understand why you'd wait so long... i feel like i should too.

[fatimah2001]

lmao! ppl still are writing in this thread?! coool man!!!!!:D

[fatimah2001]

Why not just do a general "bring the right person into her life" spell for her and tell her you did it and see what happens?

Dove
bc thats not what she asked 4
if i did that that would be just as bad

[MorningDove030202]

Well then go ask here if that is an acceptable alturnative!
Dove
bc thats not what she asked 4
if i did that that would be just as bad