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Vincent Verthaine
December 19th, 2005, 12:19 AM
From; The Book of Eris:
"If religion is the opiate of the masses, then Discordianism is the alcohol, caffeine, and something-or-other of the lunatic fringe."
-Somebody Important at Some Point

Anyone familiar with the Discordians knows the difficulties inherent in describing a vibrant aspect of Paganism that claims to "have no definition."
With one of the major trends of Discordianism being one of decentralization and disagreement, is there a way to adequately describe it?
To be true to Discordia (the Latin name of our primary Goddess, Eris), I would have to say 'yes, no, and maybe'.

To start with, there are scores of Discordian cabals across the world and,thanks to the Internet, Discordian writings and ideas are proliferating.
The two most famous Discordian groups are POEE and the Erisian Liberation Front.
Even though many people look at the plethora of humorous writings and dismiss it as a religion, Discordians take their humorous traditions very seriously...to a point.
A tradition, or a set of traditions based around the Goddess Eris is by nature paradoxical and difficult to pin down.
But it is, in my opinion, time that other Pagans realize that Eris worshippers are just as respectable as any other group, despite the fact that we laugh at ourselves and others.

History/Her Story/Eris Comes Out of Her Closet
The foundation of the Discordian movement in modern times comes from the paradoxical writing collection known as the "Principia Discordia, or How I found the Goddess and what I did with Her when I found Her."
It tells the story of two young men in a bowling alley who receive the first Erisian Revelation back in 1957 or 58. (In true Discordian fashion, which year is never cleared up.)
The men go on a search of mythologies and discover Eris, the Goddess of Confusion, Chaos, and Discord. (Eris is also the Greek word for 'strife'.)
They surmised that chaos underlies everything, including order and the followers of order.
"Look around and you can see all of the chaos in everything just as much as you can see order."
The two men declare themselves to be High Priests of their own madness and start a Discordian Society "for whatever that may turn out to be."

The explosion of the American counter-culture and the revival of surrealism met Discordianism (1960's and 70's) and the result was a Neo-Pagan parody religion of mirth and laughter.
During this time the two main groups of the Discordian Society, POEE 'the Paratheo-Anametamystikhood of Eris Esoteric' and the Erisian Liberation Front set down the major practices and ideas that have since influenced later groups of Discordians, most of which were included in later editions of the Principia Discordia.
It can also be said (although, many people will argue against this,but the evidence id compelling) that the post-modern magical phenomenon of Chaos Magic developed under Discordian influences.
The main difference between Discordians and Chaos Mages is that Discordians revere the Goddess Eris, whereas Chaos Mages revere whatever works at the moment.
Discordian thought runs a full spectrum from believers in a literal Goddess Eris to those who hold a healthy agnosticism towards all gods.

Today there are several active Discordian groups known as 'cabals' which continue to develop and practice Discordian ideas and rituals.
POEE is still around, although it is debated whether or not the ELF still exists. Some of the active groups today are the Church of No Dead Saints in San Francisco, the Discordian Intelligence Agency, which is scattered in places as far afield as Australia, Germany, and Pennsylvania, and the Purple Monkey Mafia/Cabal which started in Chicago but claims to have members in LA, Paris, and Seattle.
There are many other groups, too numerous to list here.


The organization of the groups within the Discordian Society (or without, as some groups will no doubt claim) is decentralized.

Usually people will either join a pre-existing cabal, or if Eris decides to give new revelations, will start their own cabal. Within cabals there is usually an 'episkopos', who is responsible for the rituals, revelations, and organization.
Thus it can be said that each cabal may choose its own organization.
The major trend is towards non-hierarchy as episkoposes are known to hand off the leadership mantle whenever they see fit.

Beliefs? Standards of Conduct?
One of the main tenets of Discordianism is that 'it is a firm belief that it is a mistake to hold firm beliefs'.
That said, it is possible (though highly disagreeable) to pin down a few ideas that are common among Discordians.
One is a dedication to personal 'illumination' by exploring as many belief systems as possible so that a person will realize the absurdity of taking any idea too far.
Another idea is 'if it makes you cry, it is real; if it makes you laugh, then it is probably true.'

Discordians worship Eris, who is probably the most paradoxical being people could ever worship.
If they don't worship Her then they explore Her in some way or another. They see in Her a symbol of freedom from all constraints and a license to become the best person one can be.
Why should the self be limited to circumstances of birth and upbringing, or even a single ego?
Eris was much maligned and feared by the ancients as the embodiment of disorder. But from a perspective that sees chaos as underlying everything, Eris is an embodiment of ultimate creativity.
All things need to come apart for new things to grow.

Most Discordians will refer to the story known as the 'Original Snub' which explains a little bit about Eris.
In this story, the Olympians assembled at a feast on Mount Olympus (called Limbo Peak by Discordians).
They decide not to invite Eris due to Her reputation for causing chaos and strife.
When Eris finds this out, She decides to get even with the Olympians by making a golden apple and carving the word 'kallisti' (to the prettiest) on its side.
She sneaks up to the banquet hall and rolls the apple inside. Once the Olympians see this, they immediately set to fighting each other over who deserves the apple.
From this point in the story, the various accounts diverge.
Discordians take solace in this story whenever they themselves are snubbed. They also use it as an example of active defiance in the face of unwarranted exclusion.
The story begs the question 'if Eris was so bad, how come it was the rest of the Olympians who caused the commotion?'
Eris can be seen, in this light, as the one who makes you realize the inherent capacity for strife you already have.
The 'Original Snub' is said to be the foundation myth of Discordianism, if such a thing could be said.

Another approach to that myth is to see the apple as the world and all it has to offer.
To whom would Eris say it belonged? Kallisti...the prettiest one.
And who is the prettiest one? We all are. If only we could realize it.

Another important myth is the 'Curse of Grayface', which explains how people lost touch with the happy anarchy of creative chaos and become shackled to 'order'.
Grayface is a humorless person who proceeds to deceive others into believing that order and seriousness should be the foundation of existence. This myth explains the origins of negativity and destructive chaos, which according to Discordianism, can only happen when order is imposed.
The Curse of Grayface is as much a parody of other traditions' ideas of "what-went-wrong" as it is a clear insight into the nature of human mentality.

One thing we have in common with the very beautiful Wiccan 'Charge of the Goddess' is the most famous 'Charge of Eris' which goes:

"I have come to tell you that you are free. Many ages ago, My consciousness left humanity, that they might develop themselves.
I return to find this development approaching completion, but hindered by fear and by misunderstanding.

You have built for yourselves psychic suits of armor, and clad in them, your vision is restricted, your movements are clumsy and painful, your skin is bruised, and your spirit is broiled in the sun.

I am chaos. I am the substance from which your artists and scientists build rhythms.
I am the spirit with which your children and clowns laugh in happy anarchy. I am chaos.
I am alive, and I tell you that you are free."

To Eris worshippers, this is as evocative to us as the Charge of the Goddess is to Wiccans.
With a charge so powerful, one can probably glimpse why anyone would become a Discordian.

Discordians focus on disorder, which is symbolized by the golden apple with kallisti written on it, as a corrective for society's emphasis on order.
But we don't forget that since chaos underlies everything then order is also an expression of chaos.
Our symbol for that order is a pentagon. The two symbols placed within a yin-yang type background make up what we call the Sacred Chao [kao or 'cow'].
The Sacred Chao symbolizes the necessity of both order and disorder as expressions of creativity.
When in balance, we call it the Hodge-Podge.
"To choose order over disorder, or disorder over order, is to accept a path composed of both the creative and the destructive.
But to choose the creative over the destructive is an all-creative path composed of both order and disorder.
To accomplish this, one need only accept creative disorder along with, and equal to, creative order, and also be willing to reject destructive order as an undesirable equal to destructive disorder." (PD)

Those Eris worshippers who have their own profound experiences with Eris, either through revelations, visions, or divine inspiration, take the letters KSC after their names to signify "Keeper of the Sacred Chao."
KSC's sail the seas of chaotic thoughts, magic's and emotions while providing illumination to their fellow Discordians, if they wish.
They are Eris's special group of crazy adherents. KSC's are often the catalysts of cabals and many happen to be the sort of people who can practice Discordian magic and get results.
They also tend to be more esoteric and steeped in 'chaosophy' than most, but communion with Eris will do that.

There is also the widespread notion of the five stages, which is another expression of the ubiquitous 'law of fives' in Discordian thought.
This idea is much like the 'aeonics' idea expressed within Chaos Magic (and they probably got the idea from us).
The five stages are used to help understand and explain socio-historical developments.
The First stage is Chaos, in which everything is in its natural state. Order and disorder are in dynamic balance.
Organization occurs naturally. Authoritarian people hate this stage. It is like Hegel's thesis.
It is the start and finish of every society. (Corresponding deity = Eris.) The second stage is Discord, which starts with the appearance of ruling classes and governance.
Authority becomes the main organizer of systems and of beliefs. It is Hegel's antithesis.
The underclasses discover that its interests are not the same as the rulers. Society is thus divided.
The third stage is Confusion, in which some attempt is made to restore balance or achieve a synthesis.
It is an attempt to restore nature through unnatural means.
Intuition is mistrusted.
People try to break free of authoritarian ideas by using those same ideas. Every revolution becomes a mirror of what it overthrows.
The forth stage is Bureaucracy, what we call the 'parenthesis' that Hegel missed, in which the synthesis does not reconcile the opposites.
Society is exhausted, while appearing to be thriving.
Ideas and rules have become more important than the people who create them. Superior people are ruled by idiocy.
The fifth stage is the Aftermath, and represents the drift back to chaos.
It is a transitional period where many people, in desperation or hope, turn to intuition and magic in order to rediscover their natures.
Bureaucracy has collapsed under its own weight of intellectual ideas and 'paperwork'.
Each one of these stages also has correspondences with deities, tarot cards, planets, the zodiac, elements, and more.
They would be too numerous to list here. But anyone can find them in the PD or in the Illuminatus! Trilogy.

Some Discordian practices include the universalization of pope-hood - every now and then declaring that every human being is an authentic pope.
(We also have mome-hood for those who want that.)
Discordians often like to canonize themselves and others, and you will find many saint names among us.
When cabals gather for ritual, the only thing that can be assured is that all traditions are fair game and will be used in humorous ways.
The Principia Discordia and The Book of Eris includes some of the more well known rituals.
One practice that may be of interest to magical operators is the use of laughter in banishing.

In terms of conduct, Discordians adhere to the Chaoist idea that 'nothing is true and everything is permissible.'
It sounds like a blanket endorsement for any sort of behavior. Even so, it is said that some religions preach love, compassion, law, and forgiveness but result in hatred, disorder and destruction.
Discordianism preaches chaos, confusion, and disorder, and results in love, creativity, freedom, and laughter.
The reason why an ethic of 'everything is permissible' works within Discordianism is the ultimate respect given to the individual to work out their own approach to Eris.
We do not believe in manipulating people or even trying to control their expressions, even if they disagree with us.
And this idea comes from the idea that we are all free right now. If this sounds like anarchy, you may be right...maybe.

Ways of Worship/Ritual
Laughter and paradox are essential in worshiping Eris.
One of the ways we worship Eris is by engaging in 'guerrilla mind' tricks - making paradoxical flyers to distribute, posting esoterica in unlikely places, counter-evangelism, surrealist pranking, ontological trickery, giving absurd rewards to distinguished individuals, etc.
We believe that such things are essential to someone on any honest spiritual path.
Laughter opens minds more than anything else can. Laughter is also one of the best ways to worship.
Why wouldn't your Goddesses/Gods wish to see you having a rip-roaring good time?

Another way we worship Her is to design our own rituals, on the fly - and they had better be good rituals, Eris help us - in which we mimic or parody other more 'serious' traditions.
Due to the nature of Discordianism, the rituals are at the whim of the moment.
Often, no two rituals are the same.
What the rituals lack in continuity, they make up for in creativity, and usually, though not always; cabals will have organically developed sets of rituals which fit the participants and Eris just fine.

The magical tools we use in rituals more often depend upon the idiosyncrasies of the episkopos than on any tradition. Sacred forks may replace athames for circle casting.
Five quarters may be called instead of four.
For divination, we may use TV screens to scry as readily as black plates or crystal balls.
For incense we may burn clove cigarettes. Sometimes we cast no circles and at other times we may cast differently shaped sacred spots.
If this appears silly, that is the main point.
Another point is that people should learn to work rituals with any or no tools. Discordian ritual and worship is really about incorporating everything around you and being always ready to so.


Context Within the Broader Neo-Pagan Community
Many Discordians are also practitioners of other traditions such as Wicca, or variations of Witchcraft.
Eris worshippers, such as me, also have other deities{Jah Rastafari,and Bast}.
Some are even members of other religions such as Buddhism - Zen is a particular favorite, and sometimes Discordianism is described as a laugh happy Pagan Zen.
Many of the major Neo- Pagan traditions of today started off as parodies and/or eclectic rip-offs of other occult traditions, and Discordianism is no exception.
The major difference is that with a Goddess such as Eris, and with sacred scriptures that are absurd, Discordianism tends to stay humorous and non-dogmatic and this spirit does flow through other Neo-Pagan traditions as manifested in play and mirth.

While many practitioners of Chaos Magic do not consider themselves Pagans (though it doesn't stop them from stealing Pagan traditions), those of a Discordian flavor will be more likely to refer to themselves as such.
Not all Discordians consider themselves to be practitioners of Chaos Magic, but many of the foundations of today's Chaos Magic were laid by the Discordian Society.
Though it is extremely tempting to claim Chaos Magic to be a Discordian offshoot, it might be more helpful to think of the two paths as 'lovers'.

Discordianism can be said to be henotheistic, meaning that one Goddess is worshipped primarily but not to the exclusion of other deities' existences. There are many Discordians who are also polytheists and see the 'Upstart of One Hand Clapping' in many of the other deities.Some are montheistic or pantheistic(I consider myself a Panerisiantheistic).

This description is really a brief one and in no way could hope to capture the full spectrum of Discordianism.
It is hoped that those who would like further information about the vast realm of Discordian esoterica and eristica will consult either some of the sites listed below or their own pineal glands.
If you think that Discordianism is just a bunch of silly craziness that makes no sense, then you probably need to look again.
If you think that Discordianism is terribly confusing, we may have more in common than you think.
If you think that Discordianism is something-or-other but can't quite grasp it, hail Eris, you may understand..

Bix
December 19th, 2005, 02:42 AM
Thanks for posting all the information about Eris and Discordianism. I've really enjoyed reading about it. It's very interesting.

Erincelt
December 19th, 2005, 05:45 AM
Ave Discordia!

Sage Rainsong
December 19th, 2005, 10:23 AM
Out of curiosity, what do you think of the followers of eris who are not discordian. i have heard of some wiccans and Druids who have her as a patron. Do you still consider them discordian?

Vincent Verthaine
December 19th, 2005, 11:16 AM
Out of curiosity, what do you think of the followers of eris who are not discordian. i have heard of some wiccans and Druids who have her as a patron. Do you still consider them discordian?
There has been a raging debate about that on many discordian forums.
There are those that believe that since all life causes chaos,confusion,and strife,by de facto reasoning,everything living is discordian.

Then there are those who make a distinction between being a "discordian" and being an "erisian".
They believe that discordianism is a way of life[/u].
They believe that you can be a discordian without worshipping,or even believing in Eris.There are many discordians who are admittedly agnostic about the subject.
It is the acceptence that [B]Chaos is the 'Supreme Sunlime Source".

Erisians,on the other hand, is the active study and worship of Eris,Goddess of Chaos.
It is analogous to the Chinese concept of Tao.
It is the acceptence of Eris as the 'Sublime Supreme Source'.
Erisians believe that all the Gods and Goddesses are just manifestations of the Sublime Supreme Source (which is Chaos),that humans pick and choose which ones to name and worship.
We humans get so hung up on names.

Here is my opinion.
There is no evidence that prior to 1958,there was active Eris worship.While The ancient greeks may have acknowledged her existance amongst the greek Pantheon,no one actively worshipped her because they considered Chaos to be a bad thing.
I might add that various philosophers did attempt to understand her(Hesiod Herculitus ans Aristotle) but they were suppressed by the Pagan Priesthood,because of the implications of Eris worship.
Erisians by nature are anarchistic.
Erisianism threatened the Pagan Priesthood's money making racket(still does).
They realized then,what we discordians realize now,and that everyone is a priest of thier God/dess.

Since it was Hill/Thornley that brought about the Discordian Society,centered around Eris,those that worship Eris are Erisians,whether they admit it or not.
So yes,they ARE DISCORDIANS.

Happy Shrew
December 19th, 2005, 02:22 PM
Discordianism is a slippery fish for a lot of people to grasp. There's something about being non-serious (non-solemn) as a religious practice that strikes most people as twisted. I'm one of the ones who "gets it", but then again I take very few things seriously (as in solemnly) so it's not a hard thing to pin down.

I suppose what needs to be emphasized is that one can be serious (caring about what's going on) and not serious (not solemn) at the same time. It's a lot more fun than the inverse.

Or you could just let everyone remain confused. That works really well, too, especially when there's a Grayface I want to scare away.


They believe that discordianism is a [b] way of life[/u].

If you did that on purpose, you are the most awesome Discordian I've ever seen. If not, Hail Eris!

(I am a Pope, by the way, so treat me right.)

Darkdale
December 23rd, 2005, 01:40 AM
ahhh, Eris. Dear, sweet, malevolent, wacky Eris. Is there any question that the world is her oyster? Her talking oyster. Her bitter, ego-centric talking oyster.

Well, if I did not have my own wonderful gods, I'd look her up. But for now I'll only think of her when I eat her oysters from Njord's belly.

Cain
December 31st, 2005, 08:35 AM
Hey Vewrthaine, just a quick addition on the history front. Its true that the Ancient Greeks did not worship Eris, as she was the personification of strife and disorder, starter of the trojan War. However, Homer often referred to Eris as Enyo too, a name most Archaic Greeks seemed to view as another aspect of Eris, "the leveller of cities" and equal of Athena in combat and war. She had a temple statue in Athens (next to Ares) and in Asia Minor somewhere, though I'll need to consult my notes I left up north for a precise location. It took roughly a week of digging in the Classics library at St Andrews to find all that out.

Just a little bit of extra mythological history, though what you said of course still stands: there was no worship of Eris in ancient times, even as Enyo.

LeftToWonder
December 31st, 2005, 03:18 PM
HAIL ERIS!
HAIL DISCORDIA!
*We interupt this brodcast to bring you breaking news*
Discordianism is a joke, no wait its a religon, no wait, it doesn't exsist!
Kekekeke!
*We now return you to your regularly scheduled brain waves*

Vincent Verthaine
December 31st, 2005, 06:41 PM
Hey Vewrthaine, just a quick addition on the history front. Its true that the Ancient Greeks did not worship Eris, as she was the personification of strife and disorder, starter of the trojan War. However, Homer often referred to Eris as Enyo too, a name most Archaic Greeks seemed to view as another aspect of Eris, "the leveller of cities" and equal of Athena in combat and war. She had a temple statue in Athens (next to Ares) and in Asia Minor somewhere, though I'll need to consult my notes I left up north for a precise location. It took roughly a week of digging in the Classics library at St Andrews to find all that out.

Just a little bit of extra mythological history, though what you said of course still stands: there was no worship of Eris in ancient times, even as Enyo.
Thanks for the info,but Eris didn't start the Trojan war.The Greeks were wrong on that one.

From the Principia Discordia:
THE MYTH OF THE APPLE OF DISCORD
It seems that Zeus was preparing a wedding banquet for Peleus and Thetis and did not want to invite Eris because of Her reputation as a trouble maker.*
This made Eris angry, and so She fashioned an apple of pure gold** and inscribed upon it KALLISTI("To The Prettiest One") and on the day of the fete She rolled it into the banquet hall and then left to be alone and joyously partake of a hot dog.

Now, three of the invited goddesses,*** Athena, Hera, and Aphrodite, each immediately claimed it to belong to herself because of the inscription. And they started fighting, and they started throwing punch all over the place and everything.

Finally Zeus calmed things down and declared that an arbitrator must be selected, which was a reasonable suggestion, and all agreed. He sent them to a shepherd of Troy, whose name was Paris because his mother had a lot of gaul and had married a Frenchman; but each of the sneaky goddesses tried to outwit the others by going early and offering a bribe to Paris.

Athena offered him Heroic War Victories, Hera offered him Great Wealth, and Aphrodite offered him the Most Beautiful Woman on Earth. Being a healthy young Trojan lad, Paris promptly accepted Aphrodite's bribe and she got the apple and he got screwed.

As she had promised, she maneuvered earthly happenings so that Paris could have Helen (the Helen) then living with her husband.The Trojan War followed when Sparta demanded their Queen back and husband Menelaus, King of Sparta. Anyway, everyone knows that that the Trojan War is said to be The First War among men.

And so we suffer because of the Original Snub. And so a Discordian is to partake of No Hot Dog Buns.

Do you believe that?



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* This is called THE DOCTRINE OF THE ORIGINAL SNUB
** There is historic disagreement concerning whether this apple was of metallic gold or Acapulco.

*** Actually there were five goddesses, but the Greeks did not know the Law of Fives.


A Church of Eris Exclusive
From The Book of Eris.

ERIS TELLS HER SIDE OF THE STORY
By Eris Kallisti Discordia

First off,I would to thank the Good Reverend Verthaine for the opportunity to finally set the record straight.
First of all,the reason I was not allowed at the wedding banquet was Not because I had a reputation as a trouble maker,it was because all the other Goddess were jealous of me because I was always the life of the party,and all the other Gods lusted after me.
Yes I admit I was miffed at being snubbed,but I got over it real quickly. The whole "Golden Apple" thing was not about revenge,it was a wedding gift for Thetis(at a wedding,who is "the prettiest one" but the bride).Since I wasn't invited,I just rolled my gift in,hoping one of those morons would get the hint,and present it to the bride-to-be.
But NOOOOOO.Those cackling hens that call themselves Goddesses decided to fight amongst themselves for possession of the Apple.And yes,there were five goddess squabbling over the damn thing.The other two were Ceres (goddess of agriculture),and Nike(goddess of victory).
When Zeus gave Paris the task of choosing who the Apple is given to,he could of done the right thing and gave it to Thetis,but Noooooo.Those petty Goddesses used various forms of bribery,rather then just being adults for a change.(And for the record,Ceres offered Paris a lifetime supply of Cherrios,and since Athena already offered Paris victory in battle,Nike was forced to try to bribe Paris with a pair of sneakers.)
So you see,the whole Trojan War incident wasn't really my fault (but I sure took heat for it). But it just goes to show how powerful Chaos is.Besides,that's my story,and I am sticking to it,so there.

All Eris did was roll a apple into a wedding reception.The rest soley fall on the the shoulders of the Olympians involved.
If the Three stooges,er I mean Goddesess weren't so petty,greedy,and stupid,they would have realized to who that Golden apple should belong to.(Thetis,it was her wedding after all).

eldora_avalon
December 31st, 2005, 10:16 PM
Out of curiosity, what do you think of the followers of eris who are not discordian. i have heard of some wiccans and Druids who have her as a patron. Do you still consider them discordian?
We are each whatever we claim to be. It is not up to me to label others, it is not up to others to label me, in fact labels seem to obscure the Truth(tm) rather then to reveal it. There have been major flame wars about what is and is not a Discordian. There seems to be a very vague line that goes something like this, with lots of variations and adjustments of all sorts.

Erisians: Those that worship or in some other way have Eris as a goddess of some sort in their lives. Most of us are rather leary of praying to Eris, on account of the whole Chaos thing. It is usually smarter to pray for others to have interesting lives, think about it.

Discordians: Pranksters, OM masters, those that bring about disorder in order to enlighten. No, not really, we seem to not look to enlighten others. Just to have fun at someone else's expense.

We are all popes and all come together in an emergency. Given too much free time we fight amongst ourselves, but the sides are very fluid, people are not always on the same side and it is not always easy to see the separation of the sides. Eris is funny that way.

Oh, to answer your question, I consider anyone to be Discordian who calls themselves Discordian. No one is likely to claim to be a Discordian unless they are. Hail Eris!!!!

Amber Wynd
January 1st, 2006, 08:31 PM
Hey Vewrthaine, just a quick addition on the history front. Its true that the Ancient Greeks did not worship Eris, as she was the personification of strife and disorder, starter of the trojan War. However, Homer often referred to Eris as Enyo too, a name most Archaic Greeks seemed to view as another aspect of Eris, "the leveller of cities" and equal of Athena in combat and war. She had a temple statue in Athens (next to Ares) and in Asia Minor somewhere, though I'll need to consult my notes I left up north for a precise location. It took roughly a week of digging in the Classics library at St Andrews to find all that out.

Just a little bit of extra mythological history, though what you said of course still stands: there was no worship of Eris in ancient times, even as Enyo.
Neither Eris or Enyo seem to have been worshipped by the ancient Greeks, but Enyo's Roman counterpart, Bellona was widely worshipped. I ran across this entry in Wikipedia the other day when I was googling Enyo: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enyo

"Enyo's Roman counterpart, Bellona, like Ares's counterpart Mars, was much more popular. She is believed to be one of the numinous gods of the Romans (without a particular mythology and possibly of Etruscan origin), and is supposed by many to have been the Romans' original war deity, predating the identification of Mars with Ares. Her name, Bellona, is derived from the Latin word for "war" (bellum), and is directly related to the modern English word "belligerent" (lit., "war-bearing"). In art, she is portrayed with a helmet, sword, spear, and torch.

Politically, all Senate meetings relating to foreign war were conducted in the Templum Bellonae (Temple of Bellona) on the Collis Capitolinus outside the pomerium. This temple was built in 296 BC and was burned down in 48 BC; Bellona's festival was celebrated on June 3.

Near the beginning of Shakespeare's Macbeth, Macbeth is introduced as a violent and brave warrior when the Thane of Ross calls Macbeth "Bellona's bridegroom" (I.ii.54)."

Cain
January 2nd, 2006, 04:09 PM
Yes, I read that, however so far I have found very little concerning Enyo's Roman counterpart. Perhaps I will more from February onwards, as I am doing two modules on Roman history and mythology and so will be spending much time round that section of the library anyway. I could only imagine Enyo being worshipped along with Ares anyway, or by the Thracian/Scythian tribes who valued slaughter and anger over conventional tactics and courage, represented by Athena.

As for the Trojan War, thats always been an area of disagreement for you and me V,though the blame was largely laid at Eris there were possile manipulations by Thetis and Zeus which I still haven't managed to look at except in fragment form, so I with hold judgement for now.

Vincent Verthaine
January 2nd, 2006, 10:00 PM
Yes, I read that, however so far I have found very little concerning Enyo's Roman counterpart. Perhaps I will more from February onwards, as I am doing two modules on Roman history and mythology and so will be spending much time round that section of the library anyway. I could only imagine Enyo being worshipped along with Ares anyway, or by the Thracian/Scythian tribes who valued slaughter and anger over conventional tactics and courage, represented by Athena.

As for the Trojan War, thats always been an area of disagreement for you and me V,though the blame was largely laid at Eris there were possile manipulations by Thetis and Zeus which I still haven't managed to look at except in fragment form, so I with hold judgement for now.

All we have about Eris and the 'Original Snub' was what Homer wrote.
And after Eris rolled the Apple,that was the last we heard of her.All the rest of the Illiad was the Olympians machinations.They bear the blunt of the blame,or at least culpability.

Yes,Eris did take the heat for it by the Greeks and Romans.Who else were they gonna blame if they didn't want the priests of the various other Gods involved in the Trojan Horse fiasco but the one without a priesthood and followers to defend her "honor"(such as it is).

But I bet you a few Nortons that the Olympians never failed to invite Eris to another party( she told me that she still gets invites,but finds the Olympians longwinded and boring).

Cain
January 3rd, 2006, 11:03 AM
Actually, I have found a fragment that wasn't Homeric in origin, the one which talked of Thetis and Zeus having a role. I can't remember the author's name, but it is saved along with an book reference on my PC, which is currently 300 miles away from me. It also mentions where the Golden Apple came from originally. When I get back tomorrow night (UK time) I'll PM you the fragments I have collected.

Of course, none of this is necessarily anything to do with modern Discordianism (for those of you wondering), its just one of my annoying hobbies that has arisen from my minor in Classical Studies.

CleftOfLight
January 4th, 2006, 06:07 AM
I have been reading the Principa Discordia for years,and it makes me laugh everytime I read it.Its such an odd classic,everyone should read it.

TerminallyUnique
January 20th, 2006, 05:56 PM
This thread has tied up a few loose ends for me, thanks very much :D
Its opened up a few other paths for me to tread, in my head...
(*slaps forehead at unintentional rhyming.)
(unintentional rhyming slaps forehead back)
:D

Little Billy
January 20th, 2006, 09:01 PM
There has been a raging debate about that on many discordian forums.
There are those that believe that since all life causes chaos,confusion,and strife,by de facto reasoning,everything living is discordian.


The people that believe that should be given the bastinado.

synaptyx
January 27th, 2006, 11:35 AM
Discordianism is a slippery fish for a lot of people to grasp.I'd rather have a giggle trying to grasp that slippery fish of Diskordjyaah, than grasp the cactus of [insert something you're not into here].

synaptyx
January 27th, 2006, 11:47 AM
The people that believe that should be given the bastinado.I had to look it up. Ow. http://www.bastinado.co.uk/

Amber Wynd
January 27th, 2006, 04:13 PM
I'd rather have a giggle trying to grasp that slippery fish of Diskordjyaah, than grasp the cactus of [insert something you're not into here].
Funny you should mention cactus and Diskordjyaah. I think you're on to something profound here - I walked into a prickly pear cactus the day before I found Discordianism. In fact, I remember pulling hundreds of tiny spines out of my arm while reading the Principia Discordia online. Grasping the slippery fish of Diskordjyaah beat the hell out of that for sure.

P.S. If any of you ever drink one too many margaritas at the old cantina and are either pushed by your friend (as I maintain) or clumsily stumble (as she maintains) into a prickly pear, I have two words for you. Duct tape. Heat the tape with a blow dryer and slap it on your skin and let it cool. Then peel it off and the spines come with.

Happy Shrew
January 27th, 2006, 04:51 PM
I'd rather have a giggle trying to grasp that slippery fish of Diskordjyaah, than grasp the cactus of [insert something you're not into here].

I agree, but often I hear people ask questions with the expectation that the fish is fully graspable. As much as I'd love to sit back and laugh, my sense of pity gets the best of me.

Vincent Verthaine
January 27th, 2006, 05:14 PM
Discordianism is like be-bop jazz.
It isn't meant isn't meant to be grasped,it is meant to be experianced.

Jazz traditionalist couldn't stand Charlie Parker,Dizzie Gillespie,Thelonious Monk and others who dare to explore new themes when they first came out..

Many pagan traditionalists are the same way with discordianism.
It doesn't fit their reality tunnels,so they try to dismiss it.
They have been trying for 50 years.
Here's what i have to say to them

"Skippity bop ,bop,bop,dibby dibby dippy do.Lolliop.Lollipop,Oh yeah!".

Meabh23
January 27th, 2006, 05:47 PM
Where do I find out more about Eris and this Church of Eris?

I searched the web last night for hours and found some groups. One was the Purple Monkey Mafia, another was the Randy Caboose Cabal and there were some more. But I don't want to join anyone's group. I just might be curious about Eris, since She seems like a goddess I would like, considering who I was named after and all.

Amber Wynd
January 27th, 2006, 06:13 PM
Where do I find out more about Eris and this Church of Eris?

I searched the web last night for hours and found some groups. One was the Purple Monkey Mafia, another was the Randy Caboose Cabal and there were some more. But I don't want to join anyone's group. I just might be curious about Eris, since She seems like a goddess I would like, considering who I was named after and all.
Hi. The Purple Monkey Mafia is my group/cabal :)
But we changed the name and it's now the Discordians for a Softer Sandpaper Society.

If you're really interested in reading more about Discordianism, I recommend:

http://www.verthaine.chaosmagic.com
http://www.poee.co.uk
http://www.principiadiscordia.com

synaptyx
January 27th, 2006, 06:15 PM
Sweet, I got recommended by the High Papessa. :D

It's rare that I come over all profound, but the slippery fish does that to you sometimes.

V, I would have said Scat, but some people may have thought I was talking dirty. ;) :lol:

Amber Wynd
January 27th, 2006, 06:19 PM
Sweet, I got recommended by the High Papessa. :D

It's rare that I come over all profound, but the slippery fish does that to you sometimes.

V, I would have said Scat, but some people may have thought I was talking dirty. ;) :lol:

You've got a wealth of info on your site, and a lot of it is more profound that you give yourself credit for. How're you doin?:wave:

Meabh23
January 27th, 2006, 06:20 PM
How does one go about joining Discordians?

Is there a ceremony?

Do I have to give up my current religion?

You can answer, or I may find out from my research.

If I do like what I find? May I request to join?

Amber Wynd
January 27th, 2006, 06:27 PM
How does one go about joining Discordians?

Is there a ceremony?

Do I have to give up my current religion?

You can answer, or I may find out from my research.

If I do like what I find? May I request to join? If you decide you like what you find out from your research, you'd be very welcome. And even if you don't like all of it, you'd still be welcome.

All you have to do is decide to be a Discordian and then...poof...you are one. In fact, you are the pope. There's no need to request permission to join. If you want a ceremony, you can write one or use the one in the Principia Discordia or steal one from somewhere else. Nope, you don't have to give up anything to be a Discordian. Lots of us also follow other paths.

Meabh23
January 27th, 2006, 06:32 PM
?????????????????????

Well alrighty then.

Seems I will explore this Discordianism thing.

Tonight I will call on Eris. Let's see what She says or does.

synaptyx
January 27th, 2006, 06:35 PM
You've got a wealth of info on your site, and a lot of it is more profound that you give yourself credit for. How're you doin?:wave:I don't claim to hve written it. Just a little, none of it that profound. Fun, though, for me at least and thats good enough. ;)

Meabh23. You already are Discordian. As the Omnibenevolent Polyfather of Obscenity in Titanium | POEE UK Head Temple Scotland, a few inches from my right ear, ▄ber-Sub-Agent | ELF Purple Ops Division, Temporal Exploration Society, High ▄ber-Bastard | LDD Synaptyclypse Generator Sect, Episkopos Battlepope General | Cabal of the Regurgisupial Possetmonkey, Brother Ubiquitous Invidious | POEE Orden der schwarze Sonne, I pronounce you:


The Beatus Meabh23, Keeper of the Five Sacred Gravy Stains of St. Pork of Sausage (and mash, never forget the mash).

Display your new title proudly wherever you be at.

Dang, that felt good. :D

Meabh23
January 27th, 2006, 06:43 PM
That settles it.

I hereby declare that I agree with your decree.

Now I am off to see the wizard.

synaptyx
January 27th, 2006, 06:49 PM
Good for you. :D (Guys! We got one!) Heh. ;)

Amber Wynd
January 27th, 2006, 06:53 PM
Good for you. :D (Guys! We got one!) Heh. ;)
I don't know, Erisian......maybe she's got us. :lol:

synaptyx
January 27th, 2006, 06:59 PM
Damnit! _catroll_

eldora_avalon
January 27th, 2006, 07:21 PM
?????????????????????

Well alrighty then.

Seems I will explore this Discordianism thing.

Tonight I will call on Eris. Let's see what She says or does.
OK, well you pass the test. Anyone crazy, I mean brave, er, dedicated, that's the word I am looking for, dedicated enough to call on Eris is in :awilly: _wedgie_ :yikess: :welcome:

synaptyx
January 27th, 2006, 07:44 PM
:lol:

Personally, I wouldn't. That shit is for masochists. ;)

Little Billy
January 27th, 2006, 08:12 PM
That settles it.

I hereby declare that I agree with your decree.

Now I am off to see the wizard.

Hehehe...welcome aboard, sucker. All too soon, you'll KNOW the Hideous Truth(tm). And once you know it, you'll never be able to UN-KNOW it, no matter how many times you bash your head into the wall.

Cain
January 27th, 2006, 08:56 PM
How does one go about joining Discordians?

Is there a ceremony?

Do I have to give up my current religion?

You can answer, or I may find out from my research.

If I do like what I find? May I request to join?

There is also an initiation from the Principia Discordia book you can do, if you want. You will have to send mail to the President though.

Little Billy
January 27th, 2006, 09:05 PM
How does one go about joining Discordians?

Is there a ceremony?

Do I have to give up my current religion?

You can answer, or I may find out from my research.

If I do like what I find? May I request to join?

You don't have to give up anything. You will, however, be burdened with all sorts of new mental issues.

Nobody gets out sane.

Little Billy
January 27th, 2006, 09:20 PM
:lol:

Personally, I wouldn't. That shit is for masochists. ;)

http://elitemrp.net/cgi-bin/iat/iat.pl?l1=IT%27S%20A%20TRAP%21&font=default&back=lho&ackbar=sit&ft=.jpg

Vincent Verthaine
January 28th, 2006, 02:59 PM
That settles it.

I hereby declare that I agree with your decree.

Now I am off to see the wizard.
Here you go Meabh23,your official pope Card.

59604

Say hello to the wizard for me.

Meabh23
January 29th, 2006, 07:56 AM
Hehehe...welcome aboard, sucker. All too soon, you'll KNOW the Hideous Truth(tm). And once you know it, you'll never be able to UN-KNOW it, no matter how many times you bash your head into the wall.


She let me in on your scheme.

Sucker.

So you'd best fess up.

Or She'll get Bob to wash your linens and you don't WANT THAT to happen, now DO YOU?

Meabh23
January 29th, 2006, 07:57 AM
You don't have to give up anything. You will, however, be burdened with all sorts of new mental issues.

Nobody gets out sane.


Sanity.......................

is for those who count such things as valuable.

Cain
January 29th, 2006, 08:06 AM
She let me in on your scheme.

Sucker.

So you'd best fess up.

Or She'll get Bob to wash your linens and you don't WANT THAT to happen, now DO YOU?

Not Bob! "Bob"! Any Bob you can speak about in such a blase fashion isnt worth talking about.

Meabh23
January 29th, 2006, 08:11 AM
Not Bob! "Bob"! Any Bob you can speak about in such a blase fashion isnt worth talking about.


You know not what you speak of.

But I know what I speak of. I have been awarded things by your highest pope Verthaine......plus Eris spoke to me.

Whether or not it makes sense to you is another matter altogether.

Cain
January 29th, 2006, 08:19 AM
Sorry, Verthaine is no higher than me....in fact, as an Episkopos he's equal to me. Every man, woman and child is a Pope...besides, do never trust deities with gifts. Look what happened last time....

Meabh23
January 29th, 2006, 08:26 AM
Sorry, Verthaine is no higher than me....in fact, as an Episkopos he's equal to me. Every man, woman and child is a Pope...besides, do never trust deities with gifts. Look what happened last time....

Since that is that.

Then:

You must accept me as your LADY and guru.

From now on you must wear a tea cosy on your head until you repent of your evil ways and let me know the best local in Glasgow.

Little Billy
January 29th, 2006, 10:11 AM
She let me in on your scheme.

Sucker.

So you'd best fess up.

Or She'll get Bob to wash your linens and you don't WANT THAT to happen, now DO YOU?


Bob who? Did you mean "Bob"?

Little Billy
January 29th, 2006, 10:11 AM
Since that is that.

Then:

You must accept me as your LADY and guru.

From now on you must wear a tea cosy on your head until you repent of your evil ways and let me know the best local in Glasgow.

:lol:

Cain = teh OWN3D!

synaptyx
January 29th, 2006, 10:26 AM
Since that is that.

Then:

You must accept me as your LADY and guru.

From now on you must wear a tea cosy on your head until you repent of your evil ways and let me know the best local in Glasgow.Glasgow is a hole, there is no 'best' of anything in that degenerative wasteland of a city. Cain doesn't have to do anything. I should know, I'm the Polyfather of the POEE UK. ;)

Little Billy
January 29th, 2006, 10:28 AM
Glasgow is a hole, there is no 'best' of anything in that degenerative wasteland of a city. Cain doesn't have to do anything. I should know, I'm the Polyfather of the POEE UK. ;)


And maker of biting, pithy emoticons. Do Never Test.

Cain
January 29th, 2006, 10:55 AM
Since that is that.

Then:

You must accept me as your LADY and guru.

From now on you must wear a tea cosy on your head until you repent of your evil ways and let me know the best local in Glasgow.

Best local in Glasgow is the Students Union. Beer (thats tastes like cats piss) for 80 pence a pint and less than one in three chances of getting stabbed with a screwdriver before the Estatic 150 Minutes, because we dont have Happy Hours up here. None of this applies on Tuesdays when the English students are there.

Vincent Verthaine
January 29th, 2006, 03:11 PM
You know not what you speak of.

But I know what I speak of. I have been awarded things by your highest pope Verthaine......plus Eris spoke to me.

Whether or not it makes sense to you is another matter altogether.

One thing you should remember dearie.

Discordianism is not a cult of personality.
It is a cult of individuality.

I'm just a guy who cooks food down here in N'Awlins.
I have no say in what other discordians do,nor would I want to.

Ever tried to herd cats.
Thats nothing compared to trying to herd discordians.

Whatever Eris tells you is valid,but only for you.
Eris talks to us all,but only few listen.
But just because Eris tells you something,you don't necessarily have to believe it.

Eris likes to f**k with our heads sometimes.
As long as you remember that,you'll do just fine.

There is a big difference between Discordian Legionaires
(Members of the Ledion of Dynamic Discord,or LDD) and Discordian Eristocracy.

Anyone can get a copy of the Principia Discordia and become a discordian
(Hagbard Celine,Head of the Erisian Liberation front,E.L.F. says that LDD can also mean,Lots of Deluded Dupes),and run around trying to cause chaos.

Members of the Eristocracy know better.
We know the difference between chaos and drama.

It takes years of pulling jakes,fighting the Forces of Greyface,writing your own holy books,studying Eris,holding your own in intense chaosophical debates with fellow discordians,and awakening the cabbages and turning them back to humans before you start to get any props from your fellow discordians.

The moment a discordian ries to boss other discordians around,he turns Greyface and becomes fair game for a Discordian Fatwa.

Using the phrase "I did it because God/dess told me to" is an excuse the Members of the Brand X religions use to explain away their atrocities.
We take resposiblity for our actions (or at least we set up a patsy to take the fall),but we never blame Eris or anyone else for our screw-ups"

In the Eyes of Eris,all are equal.

Little Billy
January 29th, 2006, 06:12 PM
One thing you should remember dearie.

Discordianism is not a cult of personality.
It is a cult of individuality.

I'm just a guy who cooks food down here in N'Awlins.
I have no say in what other discordians do,nor would I want to.

Ever tried to herd cats.
Thats nothing compared to trying to herd discordians.



This is the correct answer. It's also why I gave up on Discordianism as a serious force for change.

Malcolm
January 30th, 2006, 12:13 PM
Eris reminds me of Loki.

Meabh23
January 30th, 2006, 04:04 PM
Sometimes you guys seem a bit serious though you try to be silly. And though I may be new to reading all those things your people have written on the internet, the concept of chaos or of bitchy goddesses is not strange to me at all.

And herding cats is only difficult for those who don't know what cats want. People are much more gullible and much more easier to push over.

Little Billy
January 30th, 2006, 09:42 PM
Eris reminds me of Loki.

Other way around.

Little Billy
January 30th, 2006, 09:42 PM
Sometimes you guys seem a bit serious though you try to be silly.

Heh...just look what they did to our predecessors that kept a straight face...

Malcolm
January 30th, 2006, 10:34 PM
Other way around.

Heh, not for me.

Little Billy
January 30th, 2006, 10:35 PM
Heh, not for me.

Heathen.

Malcolm
January 30th, 2006, 11:06 PM
Heathen.

*shrugs* Lokean actually.

Vincent Verthaine
January 31st, 2006, 02:36 AM
*shrugs* Lokean actually.
Loki and Eris have been seen at Dickie Brennens Resturant dining on lobster and making googly eyes at each other.

Cain
January 31st, 2006, 04:07 AM
Sometimes you guys seem a bit serious though you try to be silly. And though I may be new to reading all those things your people have written on the internet, the concept of chaos or of bitchy goddesses is not strange to me at all.

And herding cats is only difficult for those who don't know what cats want. People are much more gullible and much more easier to push over.

Practising my poker face. I need it. Also, most of us are jaded and cynical through age or (in my case) Scotch.

Magic Friday
January 31st, 2006, 09:01 AM
This is the correct answer. It's also why I gave up on Discordianism as a serious force for change.

It works better as a catalyst for effecting immediate personal change. I'm a little disappointed that the practice of Zen Discordianism hasnt really made much mention up here so far, what with all the attempting to figure out what the difference between the Secular Discordian camp and the Erisian (pagan) discordians are... I'm starting to think that rather than be its own system, Discordianism is more of a template that can attach and influence other systems.

I remember two practitioners of zen discordianism from the PD boards. One of them vanished into the Ăther, and the other one seemed to lose his sanity and disappear into an MMORPG of some sort.

Regardless, there are a number of elements from eastern religion that pop up in discordianism. The Sacred Chao is obviously a parady of the Tao, and they both function in a similar way... as well as the question "Have you stopped beating your wife yet?" (The answer, of course, being "Mu.")

I think a Zen Discordian would be a fellow who was very well suited to being fairly well centered in a chaotic environment.

Cain
January 31st, 2006, 09:07 AM
I mentioned it briefly elsewhere, but since I'm not a zen practitioner I cant really talk too much about it.

Little Billy
January 31st, 2006, 08:19 PM
It works better as a catalyst for effecting immediate personal change.

I'm a little disappointed that the practice of Zen Discordianism hasnt really made much mention up here so far

1. I can already do that.

2. I think everyone knows how I feel about ANY kind of Zen.

Vincent Verthaine
February 1st, 2006, 12:52 AM
Personally,I've always thought a discordian is a taoist with a strange sense of humour and the inability to sit still.

Little Billy
February 1st, 2006, 12:53 AM
Personally,I've always thought a discordian is a taoist with a strange sense of humour and the inability to sit still.

I've always thought they were Discordians. *shrug*

Meabh23
February 1st, 2006, 04:48 AM
Heh...just look what they did to our predecessors that kept a straight face...

Whatever you say.

But as you said, Cain is "Teh Owned"

So he had best start supplying me with 'prechewed and licked' cucumbers.

Little Billy
February 1st, 2006, 08:12 PM
Whatever you say.

But as you said, Cain is "Teh Owned"

So he had best start supplying me with 'prechewed and licked' cucumbers.

Have him peel me a grape while he's up, willya?

Cain
February 1st, 2006, 08:24 PM
Get yer own, beyotches!_wedgie_

Little Billy
February 1st, 2006, 08:30 PM
Get yer own, beyotches!_wedgie_


Ohhh...now ya done it.

Meabh23
February 3rd, 2006, 01:44 AM
Does this mean he'll run away now and hide?

Good service is hard to find these days.

synaptyx
February 7th, 2006, 11:05 AM
Loki and Eris have been seen at Dickie Brennens Resturant dining on lobster and making googly eyes at each other.I made googly eyes at both of them. Loki tripped me up, and Eris stole my wallet (after punching me in the kidneys). Pair of bastards.

Vincent Verthaine
February 7th, 2006, 02:26 PM
They've been having a grand ol'e here.
Those two were the ones to filled Nagin with the Spirit of George Clinton this past MLK II day.

To tell the truth,I wasn't to keen on the idea of Eris dating Loki in the beginning,but after hanging out with those two,I discovered that Loki isn't such a bad deity after all.

Malcolm
February 7th, 2006, 03:21 PM
To tell the truth,I wasn't to keen on the idea of Eris dating Loki in the beginning,but after hanging out with those two,I discovered that Loki isn't such a bad deity after all.

nah, hes alright...most of the time

Meabh23
February 7th, 2006, 04:24 PM
Does this mean that the Erisian promised land includes a chocolate city?

Sign me up.

Vincent Verthaine
February 7th, 2006, 04:41 PM
Does this mean that the Erisian promised land includes a chocolate city?

Sign me up.

New Orleans was where Hill and Thornley printed up the First Edition of the Principia Discordia.
It was printed in Jim Garrison's(Louisiana DA at the time.Supeona'd Kerry Thornley in connection to his JFK assinination investigation) office at City Hall,by a female friend using the office mimeograpg machine.

I actually know where the sacred mimeograph machine is located.
Had no success in trying to buy it.

Meabh23
February 7th, 2006, 07:40 PM
New Orleans was where Hill and Thornley printed up the First Edition of the Principia Discordia.
It was printed in Jim Garrison's(Louisiana DA at the time.Supeona'd Kerry Thornley in connection to his JFK assinination investigation) office at City Hall,by a female friend using the office mimeograpg machine.

I actually know where the sacred mimeograph machine is located.
Had no success in trying to buy it.

Were either of the two responsible for Mayor Nagin?

Little Billy
February 7th, 2006, 10:49 PM
Were either of the two responsible for Mayor Nagin?

If they weren't, they SHOULD have been.

Vincent Verthaine
February 8th, 2006, 02:04 AM
If they weren't, they SHOULD have been.
Your gonna hafta blame the Peggy Wilson Uptown Lib crowd for him.
Personally,I voted for Police Chief Joe Pennington.Under his watch crime was actually going down.

Little Billy
February 8th, 2006, 02:08 AM
Your gonna hafta blame the Peggy Wilson Uptown Lib crowd for him.
Personally,I voted for Police Chief Joe Pennington.Under his watch crime was actually going down.

George Clinton.

EOS.

Anyway, I'm not too impressed with ANY level of government, at least as far as the NOLA disaster went.

Vincent Verthaine
February 8th, 2006, 02:12 AM
George Clinton.

EOS.

Anyway, I'm not too impressed with ANY level of government, at least as far as the NOLA disaster went.

Welcome to my world.

Little Billy
February 8th, 2006, 02:21 AM
Welcome to my world.

SEE? This is EXACTLY why I never rely on MereHumes(tm) for ANYTHING.

Meabh23
February 8th, 2006, 03:05 AM
SEE? This is EXACTLY why I never rely on MereHumes(tm) for ANYTHING.

Sort of like when the the Tibetans had the famine in the seventies. I heard about it. Tibetans never had famines before they had a chinese government to come and properly 'civilize' them.

Jenne
February 10th, 2006, 05:30 PM
Loki and Eris have been seen at Dickie Brennens Resturant dining on lobster and making googly eyes at each other.

*drools*

Jenne
February 10th, 2006, 05:31 PM
I mentioned it briefly elsewhere, but since I'm not a zen practitioner I cant really talk too much about it.
You mentioned it to ME and gave me a linkiepoo via PM. I read the link's stuff...very cool! THAT's some shize I could probably get into, if I wasn't morbidly lazy.

Meabh23
February 14th, 2006, 04:31 AM
Welcome to my world.

How goes it down there?

Any Discordians down there with you, or are you holding the fort alone against the savage yuppie hordes who will now want to build condos there since they got rid of all those pesky poor people?

Vincent Verthaine
February 15th, 2006, 06:16 PM
How goes it down there?

Any Discordians down there with you, or are you holding the fort alone against the savage yuppie hordes who will now want to build condos there since they got rid of all those pesky poor people?
There are plenty of discordians still down here.For some strange reason,we N'Awlins discordians were better able to deal with the chaos,confusion,and strife caused by Katrina then a lot of other pagans down here.

I am finally allowed to announce this:
For the second year in a row,yours truly is going to ride on one of the floats when The Knights of Chaos parades on Feb.23rd,between the Krewes of Babylon and Muses.I can't give out anymore details because ToC never gives out information about the theme of our floats,or the type of throws we have.
I will be tossing out throws though.
Here is the parade route.

60479

DocBruce
February 15th, 2006, 06:40 PM
There are plenty of discordians still down here.For some strange reason,we N'Awlins discordians were better able to deal with the chaos,confusion,and strife caused by Katrina then a lot of other pagans down here.

I am finally allowed to announce this:
For the second year in a row,yours truly is going to ride on one of the floats when The Knights of Chaos parades on Feb.23rd,between the Krewes of Babylon and Muses.I can't give out anymore details because ToC never gives out information about the theme of our floats,or the type of throws we have.
I will be tossing out throws though.
Here is the parade route.

60479

Any chance of pics for those of us unable to attend?

Vincent Verthaine
February 15th, 2006, 07:03 PM
Any chance of pics for those of us unable to attend?

I'll see what I can do,but the The High Lord Muckety-Mucks(that's their official title) won't even tell us who the King is going to be until parade day.They won't even post an official website.Competition between Krewes can get mighty fierce.
Unfortunately my digital camera is busted,but hopefully my sister in laws will come down to to see the parade with their camcorders and I'll be able to posts pics of what my costume and mask looks like.

Mary won't be allowed to go anywhere near crowds until her immune system is stronger.

DocBruce
February 15th, 2006, 07:08 PM
I'll see what I can do,but the The High Lord Muckety-Mucks(that's their official title) won't even tell us who the King is going to be until parade day.They won't even post an official website.Competition between Krewes can get mighty fierce.
Unfortunately my digital camera is busted,but hopefully my sister in laws will come down to to see the parade with their camcorders and I'll be able to posts pics of what my costume and mask looks like.

Mary won't be allowed to go anywhere near crowds until her immune system is stronger.
I'll keep my fingers crossed.

Sucks that your lady can't attend (My sister-in-law has immunity problems too). But all the more reason to hope your sister-in-laws make it with the cameras so Mary can at least see all the action after the fact.

Meabh23
February 17th, 2006, 05:16 PM
There are plenty of discordians still down here.For some strange reason,we N'Awlins discordians were better able to deal with the chaos,confusion,and strife caused by Katrina then a lot of other pagans down here.

I am finally allowed to announce this:
For the second year in a row,yours truly is going to ride on one of the floats when The Knights of Chaos parades on Feb.23rd,between the Krewes of Babylon and Muses.I can't give out anymore details because ToC never gives out information about the theme of our floats,or the type of throws we have.
I will be tossing out throws though.
Here is the parade route.

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That's great! I'll be stuck up north though, but have fun!