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triple_D

May 25th, 2004, 06:32 PM

Naillosotarrain

May 25th, 2004, 06:38 PM

Wow this is an old one ... somone must have really gone digging ... I thought the title looked familiar but..........

blugirrl1

May 25th, 2004, 06:48 PM

a good friend of mine her son hangs out with another 14 year old, and yes the boy's mom is petite, but every time i see this boy ( my 9 year old is bigger than him and i have a skiiny sack of bones. :p) it just resounds in my head "elvish , this boy has got to have elvish blood"

heartandrose

May 25th, 2004, 11:25 PM

Okay I have to admit, I do believe in faeries, but serious I think elves were just made up creatures that were personifications of dwarfs, midgets, etc(in a pc term, LP's). What's the deal with elven blood and the idea that faeries may have mated with humans?

Crystal_Raye

June 14th, 2004, 03:41 PM

I think it might be like a spiritual reincarnation kind of like. Maybe a being was a faerie in a past life but has now been reborn into a human body. Or a normal human could be sharing a body with a faerie or elf or something.

Antoninus

June 15th, 2004, 12:42 AM

Yeah I think Elven and Faerie blood circulates through humans. Theres a girl at my school, we actually call her Elf because she looks like one, shes somewhat tall, about 5'8'' or so, and her body isnt...it isnt skinny but its not thick, she looks very delicate, very wavy, if Im comming through at all clear. Her ears have a definate point to them and shes got small palms but her fingers are very long and thin, classic elven traits. Plus shes a gymnast, its AMAZING to watch her practice.

I think I might have some elven blood in me, Im tall and lanky plus Ive got great reflexes. My hearing isnt so great though (Probably because I blast music in my ears)

Krysta

June 15th, 2004, 12:46 AM

Sure have an open mind, but not so open your brains fall out.
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I like this comment :rollingla
Krysta

Phi

June 15th, 2004, 02:18 AM

Æon Flux

June 15th, 2004, 03:36 AM

Here I go with my crazy theories AGAIN.
For me there is a very big difference between Elves and Faeries.
Elves to me are the nordic "mystical" people.
Like the Great Britan has got their "wee folk" who were physical beings, a tribe of "humans".
The nordic Elves I believe were tall, handsom and warm hearted people who got a "mystical" air to them.
Quite possible they were a tribe also... probably followers of the Vanir beliefs, healers and nature worshippers.

The faeries are the wonderful energy creatures in another dimention.

Now... do I think I fearie blood in my veins?
No. Not at all.
Do I believe I have elven blood in my veins?
Yes.

My grandfather, who died when my mother was still very young, have always been an elf to me.
He was tall, muscular but still very thin and light.
He was, according to my grandmother, the sweetest man ever, and I've always felt I've had a deep connection with him.
Now... be it that he was not of elven blood, and that I am neither, but to me, it would explain a lot.

The unexplainable connection to this country, the stones and the trees.
The spiritual connection I feel that I have with my grandfather.
The facial featurers which, to me, reminds myself of something old and which resembles my grandfather's a lot.

Only a few reasons why.

These are my two cents. Anyone who think I'm wrong, feel free to think so.
If you believe I could be right, feel free to think so too.

That's all from me. :smooch:

Phi

June 15th, 2004, 02:22 PM

I read somewhere that the word "pixie" came from the Picts, an ancient tribe that were known to be very small...Is a pixie a fae? :reading:
If so, then there might be certain groups that have stayed in the area where these tribes were known to live (Ireland, was it?) who might have retained a good bit of the genetic makeup without too much "dilution" over the centuries.
Even those who don't believe in fae can agree with this possibility, right? :hmmmmm:
S'me again!
Looked it up, and indeed pixies are fae. :uhhuhuh:
Picts were in Scotland and northern Ireland, a real tribe described as very small and dark (of hair/eyes/skin, with---you got it---tattoos (pict-ures!) Very fierce, kept the Roman legions out of parts of Scotland altogether!
I did read somewhere that the word pixie originated from Picts...now where was that... :huh:

HorseCrow

June 25th, 2004, 09:10 AM

I don't believe humans can have elven/faeri blood in them, for the simple fact that I don't believe elves and faeries exist on the same physical plane as humans and I do not believe that there has been any sexual activities going on there.

sweet nothings

June 25th, 2004, 09:16 AM

Hmm I don't know.... even though I'm mostly a scientific girl, I will keep an eye open for things I havn't seen to prove they exsist

heartandrose

October 12th, 2004, 11:08 PM

So what you all are saying are that elves were real, but they were just groups(sparsely seperated) throughout the world, and they may have been little people. Could someone please send me a private message about this.

Pol

October 12th, 2004, 11:14 PM

In reply only to the first post in the thread, and hardly to that:
Historically (and more or less colloquially), there has always been that idea of the faerie-wife or husband, with the children usually having some gift or strange (to that culture) physical attribute (such as skin tone, or hair colour).

I guess it's possible that some of the other world would want to cross over into ours. I believe there are also those denizens of that world which can be trapped (more or less) in our own world (like the silkies of Ireland, where they must stay with you if you take their hide).
Even in Christian mythology (though it is hotly debated), there are the children of angel and humans, the angels giving up their place in the heavens to enjoy the finer things of life.

cyber_fairie_king

October 13th, 2004, 07:13 AM

I don't know....you have people who are dwarves, so why not elfs?

Kyra Kismet

October 13th, 2004, 07:16 AM

I think that my family have 'Little folk blood', its just a feeling and the way all of us have some kind of 'power'

Tullip Troll

October 13th, 2004, 07:29 AM

I am not sure on this one...perhaps even if they did have sexual relations there is no way of knowing if we could breed...ie...cats and dogs.

MheraPai

LeaAnon

October 13th, 2004, 07:53 AM

I know a lady that says she is derived from fairies. The funny thing is she looks really pixieish. Very small and pixie features...all but the pointed ears...lol

lovely lady.

Gracecat

October 13th, 2004, 09:41 AM

misschief

October 13th, 2004, 11:31 AM

i really don't know anything about this... just that i look kinda elf-ish. *shrug* you guys have never seen my ears..... and you won't lmao.

Thalias_Smile

October 13th, 2004, 11:35 AM

I think that it manifests itself in different ways in different people....but there seems to be a few aspects that elvish ppl share...one of my best friends, though quite tall, w/long, thin feet, I would swear she was part elf due to her body shape and facial features. In fact, when she was a child, her dad called her "his little gelfling". She has always loved faeries and such, and is a HUGE fan of Brian Froud. Also, there is the love of certain forms of music...particularly Middle Eastern and Celtic. In fact, if you look at the Gaelic word for faeries, sidhe, you can easily compare it to a Sanskrit word, siddhe, which actually means "that which controls the elements." And what are faeries known for more than anything? Controlling nature, specifically, the weather!

I myself am not of fae/elvish blood...though I suspect I got some dragon in me somewhere. The placement and angle of my ears combined w/my abnormally long toes, that, as a child, I used to write with. And then there is a life-long obsession w/everything dragon. Even as a child, I hated the stories about dragon slayers because the dragons all died. It didn't seem fair :muwaha: I even found a stone once, that I SWORE was a dragon's egg. It was a sort of yellowish color, w/grey mottled spots. And I had this cool rainbow scarf w/white unicorns on each corner...I had even begun writing a story about it, complete w/illustrations. My mom took what I had done to her job (she was a teacher's aide), bringing the scarf and the egg with her. The kids immediately recognized them in the illustrations and they thought it was SOOOO cool. :bigblue: They actually believed it was a REAL dragon's egg...well of course, so did I...and sometimes I still wonder... :bigblue:

Pol

October 13th, 2004, 12:00 PM

My biggest pet peeve with claiming fae and fairy is that it always seems that people claim having the prime fae ancestory, or our idea of elven would come from LOTR. The pointy ears and the pixie "cute" looks are only a very very small part of the fairy belief system.

You have brownies, pookas, goblins... Odd though, I don't hear of anybody claiming relationship to anything under the top rung so to speak.

Aside from that, I believe it's extremely rare occurances and that you could probably count on one hand the number of people living today that inhabit the entire planet that are byproducts of a fae relationship. If at all because a strong part of me doesn't think it would exist either. There is a fine line I think to carrying a celtic fae belief system and imaginary fantasy.

Anyway, just my two cents.

All that we really have to go off of, outside of our own personal experience, is what was written in the past. And in the past, in the folk-lore 'canon' of faerie/elf dealings, man and faerie were joined together, usually by the human somehow catching the faerie (in the case of man and female faerie), or with the woman being seduced by the faerie (in the case of a woman and male faerie).
I'm not talking about the kind of intercourse had between a man seduced by a trickster who takes his life. I'm talking about the people where they get married and have children.

Lanna

October 13th, 2004, 12:07 PM

You guys make stuff so complicated!! :p

LMAO so true :smile:

Faerin

October 13th, 2004, 03:30 PM

I chose no :whatgives

~Anamorata~

October 13th, 2004, 04:43 PM

Quite possible, yes... _witchball

BlueTicona

October 13th, 2004, 05:30 PM

Well personally I think someone been smokin' the pipe a lil' too much on this one ;). (AND I have an open mind.) ;) Of course whatever you believe is ok cause its your own lil' world but for someone to have elven blood in them that means somewhere down the line humans would have to mate with whatever species you are talking about. Also, would that 'blood' last only a generation or multiple generations? Who's to say?

Writer_Waif

October 13th, 2004, 05:44 PM

I have to say I think this is a possibility.
My older daughter has several traits that could be elven or fae in nature.

I think anything is pretty much possible and don't discount much.
_catroll_
:flowers:

Jolixte

October 13th, 2004, 07:02 PM

Lady Avalon

October 18th, 2004, 05:41 AM

Let me see. My ears are somewhat pointed. When I was in grade school I was teased badly about it. I was called "Devil Ears".

Today when people say something about my ears, I tell them that I'm part Vulcan.

But, and elf or faire??? hmmm. Interesting.

Cielamara

October 18th, 2004, 06:33 AM

I don't think so.
I think that it's more likely that we simply have extraordinary humans running around. Pointed ears? Long slender bodies? Rounded eyes? Hi, Tolkien fans. Don't read too much into this. There are human genes that will give you those features. Psychic gifts? On average, your typical human uses what, like five or ten percent of his/her brain? Guess what at least part of that other vast percentage is for.
The daione sidhe...are not of this realm anymore. When you see them, you see them with your "other" eyes, and if you're especially talented, sometimes with your physical eyes as well--there are those amongst us who can do that. (Mostly, however, those you see with your physical eyes are pixies.) They are energy beings, though I suspect that if you wander fully into their world, they become flesh and blood. However, they're not flesh and blood in this world. They haven't been for a long time now, if they ever truly were. Furthermore, I don't believe they could mix with us...nor would either party really want to, for the most part. The Fey ones are not all pretty, cutesy-wingsies. They're temperamental, cranky, difficult at best, deadly at worst. Even the "good" Fey--and no, it's never that simple with them--aren't safe to annoy. And...c'mon. We're humans. Considering we're the reason they have left this plane, I doubt they would want to breed with us. Ever.
I will definitely buy a theory that some of those "special" people amongst us have spent lifetimes in other places. However, I think there are far fewer of those than most people would want to believe, because it takes a certain kind of core, essential nature to fit in with the Fey that's just not common at all, and I think it's more likely that there are a lot of people who simply want to be thought of as "special" and thus...look for reasons to claim some sort of superiority. I'm sorry if this offends anyone, but...even if you don't think of it that way, that's kind of what it is. "Oh, these traits are so wonderful...they're special...they can't possibly be human...I'm better than human!" If you want to be special, that's fine. That's great! There are way too many "Average Joes" in the world who never strive to be anything more than just that--average. Just start with the idea that you are, quite simply, a special, magnificent human being--because you are. :)

Bandia

October 18th, 2004, 01:59 PM

For the longest time, I was called gelfling (The Dark Chrystal). Didn't know what they were talking about till I bought the dvd. I don't see the similarities. But throughout my life I've been told that I look fairyish and elvish, depends on who was doing the talking. Not sure on that one, I'd like to think so though. I have a very strong tendency toward them...

Faelon_Moon_Hawk

October 18th, 2004, 07:31 PM

mydemand

October 19th, 2004, 05:43 AM

Over here in Malaysia we have a type of faerie called the bunian, which can make themselves and their surroundings invisible. Sometimes they marry humans and breed, so I suppose in a way it is possible to have faerie blood.

I've often wondered if I wasn't a swapped baby - I've had images in my mind, since I was very young, of being swapped with some sort of otherworldy baby and my real self being locked up in a closet. o_O

B*B, Tiara

Bandia

October 19th, 2004, 11:08 AM

*checks her closet for babies*
OH, THERE'S ONE!
But she's supposed to be there, that's where the crib is (no, I'm not locking my child in the closet, my dearest nuerotic mother takes the doors off the closets and sticks the bed in there for some reason...)

Lunamoth

October 19th, 2004, 02:24 PM

Assuming that everyone who thinks of Faeries and Elves, firstly as the same thing and, secondly as something out of Tolkien (or any fantasy, fairy story, etc) is a bad road to go down. I know this because I was involved in a conversation similar to this one, over at Branwen's Cauldron, which was not only shut down by the mods but also completely deleted. What happened was that those who didn't believe in the Fae at all went so far as to deride those who did, effectively dismissing entire sects of Paganism as childish fantasy. This seemed a bit strange coming from a Pagan community.

There are so many different legends from various continents and cultures which suggest some other "higher" race once interacted with humans, that it's hard to think that there wasn't anything at all behind it. Much like all the various flood myths, it's entirely feasible that there is some modicum of truth behind it. How small this may be and where to find it of course is another matter entirely.

RE: the Tolkien association, I must remind everyone that Professor Tolkien, as imaginative as he was, didn't invent Elves (the only thing he "invented" was Hobbits and there is argument that he borrowed them from the concept of Brownies), nor was his description of them taken from pure imagination. They were modelled after Scandinavian lore. Their language was derived from Welsh, High Finnish and a few other things that escape me at the moment. But if we look at the old Scandinavian view of what elves were, we will find that they were not always how they are thought of today. Once, they were simply the spirits of ancestors (i.e. people who lived and now are dead), later elevated to god-like status (thus immortal) and finally they became the elusive, angelic, woodland people we know today. (Sounds a little like Shinto, if you ask me.) So, for example, suggesting that pointy ears are a purely human trait is positively correct - it's just that there is a potential for that gene to have been more prominent in one particular group of people once. OR, it's possible that somehere along the way, when they were once described as having "sharp" ears, that was misinterpreted to mean pointy when it may have in fact meant they had good hearing. ;)

To suggest that "by now" the genes for xyz traits must be completely gone is odd to me. One would think that the gene for red hair would have suffered the same fate, yet there it is. Genes don't go away, folks. Some are dominant, some are recessive. The recessive genes give way to dominant genes, but they don't cease to exist.

I don't believe that these Scandinavian elves were ever intended to be lumped in with the Fae either honestly, in the sense that they come from different cultures. There's *similarites*, but lumping them together or worse, calling them the same things, is tantamount to deciding that Jesus of Nazareth and Pan were the same person. IMO, of course.

As has been mentioned elsewhere in this thread, Faeries/Fairies/Fae are not just pretty winged creatures. There's many different rungs in the Fae ladder as it were. And the diminutive winged pixie thing that could hide behind a cowslip was an image perpetuated by Victorian fairy stories. It took all the teeth out of the Fae and made them child-safe and innocuous. I'm fairly certain this is part of why the belief in them is so quickly dismissed. Like the image of a witch as having a long nose and green skin, it's something people were taught as children and never learned any different.

But if we are a community of people who believe that there are in fact gods. If we are in fact a community of people who believe in something so elusive as a spirit (in ourselves or in the esoteric sense). If we are a community that believes we can effect change in the universe through the power of casting a spell, why is it that we must suddenly stop and draw the line at the idea that 1) the Fae are real and 2) they may have effected some change on us as a species at some point in history?

Just something to ponder. Wow, you read this far? You rock! :)

Erebus

October 19th, 2004, 03:09 PM

Do you think humans can have Faerie/Elven blood (aka lineage)?

*snort*
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!

heh heh.. heh...

*cough*

Sorry, I just spit soda onto my monitor.

If there was ever a perfect example of "Cleopatra Syndrome", it's this whole Otherkin thing.

Lunamoth

October 19th, 2004, 03:15 PM

If there was ever a perfect example of "Cleopatra Syndrome", it's this whole Otherkin thing.

As I understand it (maybe I'm not getting it) the "Otherkin thing" actually refers to people who believe their spirit isn't human, even though they are in a human incarnation. I.e. nothing to do with blood connection.

And since I don't think that spirits are necessarily tied to being one type of creature or another (what a once-born concept that is!), well why not.

Writer_Waif

October 19th, 2004, 03:27 PM

Just something to ponder. Wow, you read this far? You rock! :)

I agree wholeheartedly.

Phoenix FireStar Rising

Cielamara

October 19th, 2004, 03:57 PM

As I understand it (maybe I'm not getting it) the "Otherkin thing" actually refers to people who believe their spirit isn't human, even though they are in a human incarnation. I.e. nothing to do with blood connection.

And since I don't think that spirits are necessarily tied to being one type of creature or another (what a once-born concept that is!), well why not.

Actually, there are quite a few in the Otherkin community who also believe that they are biologically not human. I knew one guy who thought he was a shapeshifter whose natural form was a bear.

MorningDove030202

October 19th, 2004, 09:48 PM

Ok, I don't think people can have Fairy blood because fairies don't have blood! They don't exist in the physical sence.
Dove

Élistariel

October 19th, 2004, 10:47 PM

Heeeey! I'm an otherkin! It's a soul thing, not a physical thing. Those that claim to have, werewolf dna totally befuddle me. My blood is 100% human, my soul however is not. I'll explain how I know, and that I haven't totally lost it. It has to do with how you recall memories. You know how you can tell the difference between rememering something you did, and remembering something you did in a dream? Otherkin memories are somewhere in between. I beleive I could physically be part fae, however, I don't mean the fae we think of today. I am referring to simple humans who were a little different.

HeavensHope

October 19th, 2004, 11:46 PM

I dont know...but it's a nice thought. Maybe it explains why certain ppl have "gifts" that the rest of us dont have. By gifts I mean heighten senses. I have tiny feet, but that's just genetics....most asian girls have tiny feet.

Nacken

October 26th, 2004, 08:57 AM

I read this thread the day before yesterday, and last night I was talking with our HP and the topic came up. I have a fair amount of respect for our HP. He has been in the craft for 30 years and tends to have reasonably good judgement. Anyhow, he mentioned that a new student was rather fey, and felt she might do better in a fairy coven. I've met the young lady in question, and she is petite and somewhat otherworldly. I asked him point blank whether he believed in fairy blood mixing with humans, or whether he was talking figuratively. (fairy--elf, whatever) He sort of hemmed and hawed a bit but said that he felt that it was possible. This rather surprised me, but it is making me re-evaluate the idea.

Secrets Flame

October 27th, 2004, 09:24 PM

Well, I don't see why not... the faerie peoples were just humans that learnt the secret of immortality, and crossed over into the realm between realms (so neither life nor death).

I believe that the only thing that they were unable to do was have children with each other, nothing about not having kids with mortal peoples. I'm positive that the faerie peoples have decendents here on earth

LittleRhiannon

October 27th, 2004, 09:40 PM

Well, I don't see why not... the faerie peoples were just humans that learnt the secret of immortality, and crossed over into the realm between realms (so neither life nor death).

Depends on what you believe I guess. I also thing that people can have fairy blood, but I think they are a completely different race than us.

I believe that the only thing that they were unable to do was have children with each other, nothing about not having kids with mortal peoples. I'm positive that the faerie peoples have decendents here on earth

Well, it's fairly well documented that they can have children with themselves, for example, Angus Mac Og is the son of The Dagda and Boanne, Ruadhan was the son of Bridget and Bress, and so on. I think it was that they had really bad midwives or something.

Cielamara

October 27th, 2004, 09:44 PM

Well, I don't see why not... the faerie peoples were just humans that learnt the secret of immortality, and crossed over into the realm between realms (so neither life nor death).

I think not. Research them, and you will find that they are most certainly not human. In fact, if they heard you calling them human, they would likely be greatly offended.

I believe that the only thing that they were unable to do was have children with each other, nothing about not having kids with mortal peoples. I'm positive that the faerie peoples have decendents here on earth

As LittleRhiannon said...there are stories about the children they did have. They are as capable of reproduction as we are.

Rudas Starblaze

November 2nd, 2004, 10:26 AM

faerie blood, no. evlen blood, maby. rabies,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,well,,,,,,, that must explain the hieghtened sences!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! oh, now give me a break!!! i grew up on a farm!!! i've been bitten by everything!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! hahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ok that was humor coming from me everyone,,,,, laugh will ya!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
R O T F L M A O!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ILLAW,
Rudas Starblaze

WarriorZhanna

November 4th, 2004, 08:16 AM

hehe... My ears are kinda pointy... :) But I'm not entirely sure about this (I'm no expert)... :D It might explain my ears though.. ;)

Ya know what? it's the same with me! My ears are a bit pointy too, lol!... how weird is that? :D And my ex-boyfriend still says: "Hey.. Zhanna, every time I see you, you always seem like an elf to me, really".

~Warrior Z

samalander

November 6th, 2004, 10:58 PM

hehe... My ears are kinda pointy... :) But I'm not entirely sure about this (I'm no expert)... :D It might explain my ears though.. ;)

i have one pointy ear. kinda odd really

rhee

November 7th, 2004, 12:06 AM

I know I don't have faerie blood. I don't think it's possible. However, my husband and both my children have pointy ears and huge eyes.

AuroraSilvermist

November 7th, 2004, 12:28 AM

I said no, because, as much as I'd like to, I'm too much of a skeptic to believe that elves and faeries exist outside of mythology. Makes me kind of sad, actually...but I can't fight what I feel. :sadeyes:

Maybe I'll be visited by three elvish ghosts until I believe? :bubbles:

Windigo

November 7th, 2004, 09:15 AM

If you have Irish ancestry, there is a good likelihood that the answer is yes.

In a nutshell, the Irish fae world includes the Tuatha De Danann, who were the "gods and not-gods" (in Irish, "de agus ande") of early Ireland. There is a tremendous amount written about them.

Ireland had five waves of invaders, according to traditional history:
Cessair, the granddaughter of Noah, brought a ship with 50 girls and 3 men to Ireland. All of them died, mostly in the Flood, except for Cessair's husband, Fintan.
The Partholons fled to Ireland from Greece after a failed attempt to take over the throne. They died in a huge plague.
The Nemedians were next, and most of them died in battle with the Fomorians or from the plague. About thirty survived, and most of them fled to other countries.
The Fir Bolg is what we call three groups, all descended from the Nemedians, who returned to Ireland. They were small, hard-working people, and their name translates either as "the bag men" or "the men of lightning."
The Tuatha de Danann arrived while the Fir Bolg were still ruling Ireland, but the Tuatha de Danann ("children of the goddess Danu") defeated the Fir Bolg in battle. The Tuatha de Danann, described as "gods and not-gods" had magical powers and ruled Ireland for many years. They were the fifth invaders.
The last to land in Ireland were the Sons of Mil (also called the Milesians), probably from Spain or the Basque country. These are the Celts. They had one battle with the Tuatha de Danann, and the Tuatha de Danann retired to "the hollow hills" (or the faerie world) where they live today. The Milesians are regarded as modern Ireland's ancestors.

The Tuatha De Danann were--and are--real people, or perhaps "beings" is a better word. And, whatever else they were/are, they were biologically compatible with humans. So they married the (very human) Milesians and had children, when the Milesians conquered Ireland. (This history is documented in many ancient sources, including The Annals of the Four Masters, one of Ireland's earliest written histories, transcribed by monks.
The Milesians were the people who populated modern Ireland. Their surnames are the ones that start with O' and Mac. However, as times changed and the Irish emigrated to other countries, those O' and Mac prefixes were often dropped. For example, O'Baoighill became O'Boyle and then simply Boyle. (Murphy was O'Murchadha and Sullivan was O'Suileabhain, and the list goes on...)
So, if you have Irish ancestry (and over 50% of people in the United States do), and your Irish ancestors lived in Ireland and married other Irish for at least three generations, then you probably have Milesian blood in your veins.
And that means you probably have fae ancestry. If you could trace your heritage back far enough, you'd get to the Milesian ancestor who married one of the Tuatha de Danann, and you'd actually have the name of your faerie ancestor.
(If you're a FitzGerald from the Limerick area, the process may be a lot easier, since Lord Desmond, the third Earl of Desmond, married the Tuatha De Danann goddess, Aine. Their son, Gerald, fourth Earl of Desmond, is still seen riding from Lough Gur every seven years when the lake is dry.) :fpipesmok

Shana-chan

November 9th, 2004, 12:18 AM

All I'm going to say on this subject, is this:

'Hehehe... ;3'

----

That's my sneaky smile, by the by. :3

OMmomma

November 19th, 2004, 07:47 PM

My opinions on this are not set in stone. I am still researching the histories of both people and language.

From what I can surmise:

Pixies=Picts
Elves=Welsh
Fae or Sidhe= pre-celt Irish

magical and non-human attributes were the most common way of referring to those people that did not look like you. That's the way historians and chroniclers of ancient times recorded what they observed, and if you think about it, much western history includes magical and non-human descriptive attributes to Africans, native Americans, Hawaiians, Aryans, ancient Egyptians, and the list goes on.

That's not to say that 'magical' inferences were totally off the mark. The shamanic trads, of the green isles, of the americas, of the near east even, have given us a historical mythos of transcendent magic and magical beings. I say , thank the Druids, and certain 'magical' plants, for our continued fascination and adoration of those entities we call, sidhe, elven, etc...

I enjoy the stories and lore of these other-kin, the imagination can truly be magic, when inspired by wisdom, truth, and the awesome forces that aid our survival.

Peace

Phae Talon

November 20th, 2004, 07:18 PM

Being as I believe faerie folk exist on a different plane then ours, no. Also, a simple biology class will show you you don't get blood from non relatives except in the case of transfusions. A lot of people want to label some uniqueness about them as attributed to fantastic things. In reality if it's anything but normal behaviour (which it usually is) it could be attributed to something as simple as a past life coming forward in a way or totems or spirit guides that make themself known in small ways. Sure have an open mind, but not so open your brains fall out.

That's my 2 cents.

Yeah, that is my feeling too. I don't know what to think about the idea of Otherkin, but I definitely think that it is a more spiritual deal than physical.

--Phae

ravynbynorthwynd

November 20th, 2004, 09:25 PM

well, given to the fact that most often elves do not like humans....

Tajemnica

November 25th, 2004, 09:35 PM

Althought I'm a therianthrope (it's like animal otherkin) myself people are often surprised when I say that I'm highly skeptical of mythical otherkin, including faeries. I can't say whether it's possible or not on a spiritual level, but *most* of the people I've seen claiming to be mythical otherkin seem to be either completely insane or chronic attention-seekers.

But I'm all but certain that fae and elves never existed in real life. Maybe some people that looked like fairies or elves, or who were the inspiration for fairies and elves existed, but I highly doubt that any magical creatures were running around around hybridizing with humans. All the claimed "physical manifestations" I've heard been, quite frankly, laughable. I mean, pointy ears? Big eyes? Sounds like normal human genetic variation and imagination to me. Just because you have some traits people associate with elves doesn't mean that you must be an elf. I mean, I've got some very pointy "fangs", but that doesn't mean that I'm related to Dracula or Fido.

Shana-chan

November 26th, 2004, 07:29 PM

Tajemnica

November 26th, 2004, 08:46 PM

But, you just said you're a 'therianthrope'. Wouldn't that account for the very sharp fangs? (You contradicted yourself.. <.<; ).

I didn't contradict myself. :P To clarify: my eye teeth are pointed, but although I could go ahead and connect it to something else, such as therianthropy, I think that it's just the way my teeth grew in and it has /nothing/ to do with anything going on inside my soul or my brain. It's also because I'm pretty certain that smallish jungle cats aren't included in any part of my family tree. ;)

Physical traits, unless you have wings sprouting out of your back or something, really aren't reason to assume that you've got non-human lineage. I mean, my ears stick out a little more than usual. I could go ahead and claim that I am distantly related to Ganesha (a Hindu elephant god) or some other interesting or unusual thing with ears that stick out. But I attribute it to regular old human genetics, because regular old human genetics do create lots of variation when it comes to things like ears, teeth, eyes, etc.

Doodlebug

November 26th, 2004, 11:45 PM

I'm not really sure.

BabblingImp

November 28th, 2004, 08:17 AM

I'm not good at sinance but I will say that if I want to have some elven blood in me than that is what I am going to have! And I have had paople say things like "You look a bit like an elf!" Now I don't always take this for real but I have a thought and I have no way to back it up but I believe at one point things that are in Old stories were at one point real, and over time sotries trun to legend, and that truns to myth and soon it fades compleatly from realailty and is what we now call fairy tales and what not. Now as far as the blood goes I think that it would be harder for an American to trace blood lines we are a bit of a mixing pot when it comes to that! I however am lucky, my ansetors have been easy to trace, my Grandfather was full Irish and, and I could go on! But I would say yes it is possible to have just about anything in you, and as far as the DNA goes how do you know what is considered 'nromal' is in fact not? after all we didn't know much about DNA back in the 1600!

Tajemnica

November 28th, 2004, 08:49 AM

I'm not good at sinance but I will say that if I want to have some elven blood in me than that is what I am going to have! And I have had paople say things like "You look a bit like an elf!"
If I wake up and decide I want to have some gryphon blood in me does it mean that it'll actually be there? What if the next day I decide that I'd rather be a kitsune-elf-fae-demon? Your wants and likes don't always translate into what you are. What you look a little bit like doesn't translate into who you are. If someone says that you look a little like Jessica Simpson, does that mean that you're her long-lost cousin?

But I would say yes it is possible to have just about anything in you, and as far as the DNA goes how do you know what is considered 'nromal' is in fact not? after all we didn't know much about DNA back in the 1600!
DNA is quite similar from species to species, so even if it turns out that elves did exist, they're pretty close to humans, it would be tough to decipher that looking at human DNA. Really, they'd have to be pretty much a subspecies or veeeerry similar to humans to produce fertile offspring anyway.

The question here isn't really of DNA. Anything one can bring up about DNA isn't relevant without a convincing argument for the existance of fairies or elves. Stories, myths, and legends, no matter how widespread, don't count as factual evidence of flesh-and-blood existance.

AerisofRevelwood

November 28th, 2004, 09:32 AM

Here is the opinion of someone who calls herself elfkin: I believe that the spirit and the body are connected; that the body is not simply a suit of clothes that your spirit puts on. I think the spirit creates for itself the body that is best suited for the spirit's next evolutionary step. As the spirit gradually evolves, the body evolves along with it, so the body you have today is evolved from the bodies you had before. The evolution of the body is expressed through the DNA. Therefore it is likely that you are the reincarnation of one of your ancestors.

As to the question of whether we can have elven genes in our DNA, it all comes down to what you mean when you say "elven". Elfkin are convinced, in spite of little verifiable evidence, that they are to some degree not human, but elven. Some have physical differences, like pointy ears or a tall, slender build. Some have memories of past lives. Many have neither, but are no less certain than those who do. All sane elfkin are fully aware that their bodies are genetically human. This leads to my theory that what we call "elves" were an early form of human that was out-competed by a later, more physically aggressive and less intelligent human species. Many were killed, but some intermarried with their conquerors and passed on the "elven" genes to future generations. But while the spirit remains relatively coherent from incarnation to incarnation, the gene pool get mixed up pretty quickly. This explains why some who consider themselves elfkin look elven (lots of elven genes) while some don't (less elven genes). Of course, this is just a theory.

As for the legends of faeries and elves, I believe that these are not true in a literal sense, but are stories told of these early people by their conquerors, altered and exaggerated over time. So to say that "you can't have elf blood, elves live on another plane" is also a theory, and not a fact.

I could be wrong, you could be wrong, we could all be wrong. The universe may be far wierder that any of us can imagine. Who knows? The only thing to do is to judge from your own experience and use what works for you. Thinking of myself as elfkin causes things in my life to make sense that didn't make sense before. So I'm going with it.

Angharad Goldenhand

January 8th, 2005, 02:32 PM

hmmm... to get back on track!

Yes, I think it's possible.

However, appearance in itself is not a good indicator of it. Humans are perfectly capable of looking a bit weird - even having pointy ears! - without having faery blood.

Actually, in the memories I have of my fae life, I definitely did not have pointed ears. My people were basically humanoid, but much longer of limb than a human would ever be. Long fingers but normal ears!

Blessings,

Angharad

Pure Ahimsa

January 8th, 2005, 08:07 PM

Manx Elven.

Suzy-Anne

January 10th, 2005, 06:34 PM

o_o; I voted no as I don't beleif in the existance of faeries or elves. Furthermore, if I did believe in them I would still vote 'no' as its probably physically possible. However, that statement was incredibly biased... >_>; There's my two-bits.

ShamanFeather

January 13th, 2005, 07:43 PM

I don't see how that was biased? I liked how there were a lot of options.

Kaliel

March 31st, 2005, 11:21 AM

I have elven "blood" you might call it. For elven DNA there's 2 different aspects, there's mental elven DNA and physical Elven DNA. The physical affects body parts, one extra lung, one extra heart, a spin that branches into 6 parts at the lumbar . . . etc. Mental elven DNA is DNA which affects the brain waves, nervous system and blood. I have 25% Mental Elven DNA, which means that though pretty miniscule, my thought processes are a little different, and my blood, well, without casting a cloak over the elven attributes, doctors would eventually find a couple of yellow cells in my blood.

I've only seen them once myself, and it was when a holistic healer and family friend wanted to experiment with her new microscope which she was using to see the separate blood cells. They currently don't use those in hospitals unless they think something's wrong, or the tests don't work. The holistic healer saw quite a few red cells, a couple white ones and a couple she said were "abnormal" They didn't look like white or red, and they had a yellowish tinge to them. I was only 14 at the time, and so I didn't know what to think, but she said I had some impurities in the blood and I think she summed it up to some sort of fungus . . . and left it at that. We never went to see her again, so I don't know.

Morgandria

March 31st, 2005, 11:29 AM

You seriously believe you have non-human DNA?

*raven*

March 31st, 2005, 04:34 PM

I'm not sure how to vote really, so I'm not going to. lol. I don't know whether I believe that people can have faery blood in them as such but I believe past lives can manifest so someone can be faerylike due to past lives rather than actual blood. Personally I feel very fae like most of the time and believe that somewhere I have some sort of "connection" but I'm not sure if it's actual blood.
Brightest Blessings,
Raven xxx

fiaran_flynn

March 31st, 2005, 04:52 PM

I read a theory once that native americans were actually the decendents of the elves and the faery folk...which kind of makes sense because in my experience those with native blood tend to be somewhat more attuend to the other planes and such.

MoonDragn

March 31st, 2005, 05:18 PM

I have a theory that we're not the first evolutionary intelligent human race on this planet. Thousands of years ago there may have been another advanced civilization that managed to wipe themselves out. This race may have been the "elves" in the legend. Could their decendants have survived and intermixed with humans? It is entirely possible.

There have been strange skulls found on earth that have been explained away as deformities. Could they have been the remains of this race?
They have also found some ancient batteries inside stone that are thousands of years old. Could it be evidence of lost technology?

Tabbykitty

March 31st, 2005, 08:53 PM

The holistic healer saw quite a few red cells, a couple white ones and a couple she said were "abnormal" They didn't look like white or red, and they had a yellowish tinge to them. I

I was surfing around the medical sites and came up with the following......

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/003243.htm

It seems our bodies produce yellow pigment naturally... to quote.....

"....The yellow pigment is from bilirubin, a byproduct of old red blood cells.

If you’ve ever had a bruise, you may have noticed that the skin went through a series of color changes as it healed. When you saw yellow in the bruise, you were seeing bilirubin.

Normally, about 1% of our red blood cells retire every day, to be replaced by fresh red blood cells. The old ones are processed in the liver and disposed of. Much of the resulting bilirubin leaves the body in the stool."

Now, Im not saying you don't have fae DNA, however, before attributing anything that seems unusual to the fae, it might be an idea to run it through "Occam's Razor"

Occam's Razor is "A logical principle attributed to the mediaeval philosopher William of Occam (or Ockham). The principle states that one should not make more assumptions than the minimum needed. " < http://pespmc1.vub.ac.be/OCCAMRAZ.html >

I think the old adage where "the most logical explanation is probably the correct one" does hold true for many things.

I know there's great excitement in discovery, but sometimes in order to get to the truth, one has to take a step back and carefully examine the evidence at hand. Im sure there's anatomical stuff out there that science has no explanation for and when that happens, then i'd say there's a fairly good chance they are related to something supernatural.

But really, a lot of stuff that we see can more or less be explained by science.

sarabethv

April 1st, 2005, 03:16 AM

I admit I did not read every post, so no doubt this has been mentioned. However, being anthropologist, I must acknowledge that there are many different looking peoples about today. We can all interbreed so we are one species. So why could there not be even more groups that we don't see about today? Yeah, I admit, I think elves fairies and perhaps others are simply other groups that we probably bred with. :)

merlo

April 7th, 2005, 08:39 PM

My exgirlfriend WAS a Faerie. Most beautiful wonderful helping loving person, till she got angry. Then run like H*%%. She collected faerie figurines, also angels, but didn't really believe in anything. I bought her a book about faeries, then she was like, YEA, maybe so. She ended up getting the word Faerie Tattooed on her stomach. I don't think she spelled it like I do.
On a side note, I have pointed ears. No one else in my family does.

Sequoia

April 9th, 2005, 05:04 PM

LOL wow, old old thread. You see? I do change. I used to think I could be a Faerie! Whee!

Umm.. so... yeah, my views have changed. I don't really think that there are physical faeries. It's a fun, cute idea. But so far as the DNA tests show, nobody's got anything other than 100% human DNA floating around their bodies.

Though, those of you who feel you are fae... perhaps you should have a quick test done? I'm certain the scientific community would be delighted and fascinated to study you.

Katya

June 8th, 2005, 07:40 PM

flyntfaery

June 8th, 2005, 07:49 PM

seen 'em. Experienced 'em ( they still have some of my jewelry!!!!)
but I'm not sure that we have ever bred with them. I'd like to think so, But I'm just not sure! _whistle_

9-2-2

June 9th, 2005, 11:25 PM

Serious: I really wish I could change my vote. I've met two people who have fae blood. :crazy:

Fun: Psst... I'm cheese-blooded. :abanana:

AlAskendir

June 10th, 2005, 12:03 AM

<Speak n Spell computer voice> Bzzt! That is incorrect! The correct spelling of "discussion" is...

ARe you kidding me? First of all, asking for an opinion and asking someone what they think...yes, that's the same thing. And YES, discussion is for BOTH sides of the matter! Anybody who posts and just wants to hear from those who agree with them need to be posting in support group forums, not MW. Everytime anyone posts something even marginally controversial (and that pretty much means anything having to do with religion) they are in essence saying, "who disagrees with me?" THat's the whole point of discussion. To be disagreed with, to hear new ideas, and to form new opinions.

And just to make my point...

Ok, WHO DISAGREES WITH ME?!

Me! Me! Me! Mistah Kottair!

I disagree in particulars but not in essence...

One of the points of discussion is not only to be disagreed with, but to be inspired by the challenging disagreement of others to defend your opinion as best you know or feel that you can, and thus to discover intensities of your own opinion and belief that you did not know that you had.

Another point of discussion is to allow the expressions of two or more points of view to blend and alchemically move us beyond what we had viewed on this subject before; --- if a particular person's disagreement is not expressed, it canot blend and cannot move us. We need the differing points of view to become able to see all (or closer to all) of the things we are interested in.

AlAskendir

June 10th, 2005, 12:10 AM

That's the thing. Why do some people insist on attributing "supernatural" powers to strange stories? As we all know a large part of the brain is unused and a lot of Pagans believe we all had psychic abilities etc. long ago that were suppressed - so why do we have to attribute it to special blood or strange birthmarks, etc. instead of believing that you yourself have the ability to remember long lost tools and techniques just by virtue of being Pagan and alive?

*steps off soapbox*

So such powers should be seen as 'super-artificial'?

AlAskendir

June 10th, 2005, 12:17 AM

Hmm...but various big cats have been mated successfully and various equines, not necessarily of the same type, but have produced offspring. Recent studies have shown that dogs are descendants of wolves, though the divergance happened around 135,000 years ago. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/wolves/wolfdog.html

So, following the logic that Elven folk were nothing more than humans with "differences", the theory of having "Elven blood" can be feasible. But, if you believe they have always been something mystical, then of course it would not make sense. SO the point is, the difference in opinion lay squarely on whether you believed they were mystical or mundane. :)

Logic dictates THREE choices at every question of alternatives: positive, negative, and neutral - - - which one are you ignoring? Isn't it possible that they had cultural differences which made them have more of a mystical bent than we do?

AlAskendir

June 10th, 2005, 12:33 AM

Ok and what makes you believe they're "just humans" that are a "little different"?

:) I didn't say I believed it. I said that there have been studies which suggest that they *were* (not *are* - we're assuming they're gone for the sake of this discussion). I *do* however have a hard time believing in something I can't see.

Ouch! Imagine walking across Golden Gate Bridge... then explaining how it will work to a gold miner on the Barbary coast in 1853. Watch TV and use the internet, then imagine explaining it to someone from 875 AD England....

For that matter, when was the last time you 'saw' an atom? Or an ion? Have you observed the action of the Heisenburg Uncertainty principle? Do you have a hard time believing in those things?

But I do *have* arms *because* of the species that I am; I sure don't have wings or fins. So I guess if we are actually descended from apes, then yes, it would be because we came from apes, as opposed to being descended from a platypus.... ;)

It might be too late to nip this in the bud, but we didn't 'come from apes', we are apes. Naked apes. Would we be naked, would we talk, write, invent things if the 'elves' had not needed on-planet workers and had their lead-person/ geneticist blend their DNA with that of a local Rampithecus (ape)?

starlitestarbright

June 10th, 2005, 02:14 AM

i have pointy ears bordering on the insane, and sure, i'd like to believe that i'm part elf. it wouldn't make sense, though, because if i was they would still exsist in some way, which they don't. my mom always calls me her little elf, and i freak people out with my ears but i don't think i'm elven.
Hmmmm interseting thread...I have pointy ears too you know (serisously, I honestly wonder how many of us here at MW have pointy ears, because, if you ask me it sounds like a darn lot of us :idea: :hmmmmm: we should do a poll.....) :elf:
Well, I don't know about faeries, I'll admit that I do have a unnormal (?) obsession wif them (I paint them all day everyday, but simply cannot bear to sell them---result: lots and lots of fae :hearthear ) But that stupid lill thing called logic is kinda ringing in my ears....
All the same--I think (not all to convinced tho) I believe in Earth Angels :lilangel: .... people who feel sooo different from the rest of the species- off this planet kinda stuff.. :eyez: like this guy. And that is in an entirely mystical way certainly . Like you can't understand what other 'normal' people are on about, and find yourself drifting off.............to worlds where faeries walk among us..............

Infinite Grey

June 10th, 2005, 07:29 AM

No... I finding highly unlikely anyone has mystical blood... Hey you've got small feet or pointy ears... congratulations... doesn't mean you're related to tinkerbell. Yes I am aware there is no proof beyond genetics saying we are humans... how about comparing DNA with "normal" people? If you can find any unique qualities that make you not quite human than I'll concede the issue... until then... I think you're kidding your selves... provided that mystical "old" folk weren't just deformed humans.

AstralMoth

June 10th, 2005, 07:48 AM

Infinite Grey

June 10th, 2005, 09:26 AM

AstralMoth

June 10th, 2005, 11:16 AM

Seriously, someone in the yahoo pagan chat rooms a year or so ago told me they felt they had an affinity through blood for basilisks and dark elves ... And yeah, they played D+D.....

Infinite Grey

June 10th, 2005, 11:34 AM

Seriously, someone in the yahoo pagan chat rooms a year or so ago told me they felt they had an affinity through blood for basilisks and dark elves ... And yeah, they played D+D.....

lmao! you're kidding? what a FREAK!

Darkdale

June 10th, 2005, 11:54 AM

Im with Iggy on this, so many people Ive spoke with in the online Pagan community claim to have fairy blood or elven blood or 12th level bassilisk/ dark elf / assasin / mage blood but Ive yet to see a single spot of evidence. Surely if this was the case there would be some kind of difference in our DNA or something.

I've seen people claim to be all kinds of different things. But if you kick them in their stomachs they still get realy pissed off at you. So - whatever it is that people think they are, I think it's safe to say that we'll all piss blood after a good hard stomach kicking.

Shana-chan

June 10th, 2005, 12:02 PM

lmao! you're kidding? what a FREAK!

<.< Why is there prejudice such as this from a Pagan community? So what if he thought that? What if he's right, and one day he'll blast you down by summoning the dark force of the underground elves?

See, this coming from people who heard the words of their own deities speaking in their heads just sounds f*cking stupid. Sorry to curse, but it is. It makes you sound like a jackass and a prude. If someone believes something, let them believe it. So long as it isn't hurting anyone (and I'm sure it isn't). He's probably like a 12 year old kid, anyways.
Who knows if he actually believes it anyways? Maybe he's just roleplaying on the yahoo group? You never know with people who are online.

John_Mischief

June 10th, 2005, 01:02 PM

If the legends are to be believed, there are a lot of families in Wales/Ireland/Scotland ect. that are part sidhe. It's a charming myth, and I do think maybe perhaps POSSIBLY some of it could be somewhat true. But I don't think it happens anymore, if it did.

I find it interesting most of the people claiming to be fairies are raving about how they have small feet, pointy ears, ect...when those are all modern illustrators ideas. "Real" fairies, at least the sidhe, as Irish folklore is the kind I'm most aquainted with, usually have some part of them that's animal (goat feet, horns, tail) and can be very very ugly. Some of them are reported to have huge feet in fact, like jimmy squarefoot.

The whole tiny happy pointy fairy thing really grates on my nerves. It's not difficult to do some research into what fairies from folklore actually were supposed to be like - quite a lot of the texts are available free online.

Orpion Phoenix

June 11th, 2005, 02:04 AM

i think we humans can have any kind of creatures blood from old in our veins.like me for example i act like a dragon and have the spirit of a dragon and when i get mad my mouth gets hot and dry.

Infinite Grey

June 11th, 2005, 02:27 AM

I'm still waiting for genetic proof that some people are more than human... If you have dragon, fairy, unicorn, donkey blood, it should show up as an anomaly in your genetic code...

i think we humans can have any kind of creatures blood from old in our veins.like me for example i act like a dragon and have the spirit of a dragon and when i get mad my mouth gets hot and dry.

met many dragons? People have said I act like a wolf, monkey and a great cat, doesn't mean I have any of their blood.

9-2-2

June 11th, 2005, 10:11 AM

I'm still waiting for genetic proof that some people are more than human... If you have dragon, fairy, unicorn, donkey blood, it should show up as an anomaly in your genetic code...

2% of my fiance's genetics are non-human. I like to joke and say he's part goat (he's a crappycorn... er, Capricorn, sorry, lol). That genetic anomaly really helps out with his psychic ability, it's a lot more potent than being born without a natural spark (like me). But I still tell him to do the dishes. :p

Infinite Grey

June 11th, 2005, 10:30 AM

2% of my fiance's genetics are non-human. I like to joke and say he's part goat (he's a crappycorn... er, Capricorn, sorry, lol). That genetic anomaly really helps out with his psychic ability, it's a lot more potent than being born without a natural spark (like me). But I still tell him to do the dishes. :p

yeah? cool, can you scan the report? and post it?

9-2-2

June 11th, 2005, 07:53 PM

Sure. Give me some time to take him to the doctor on my day off, and I will throw it up here. Expect me to black out the addy, last name, etc. I'm not interested in getting bricks through windows or harassing phone calls at 2AM.

katie727

June 11th, 2005, 08:00 PM

honestly idk...but i think it would be really cool! :bouncybob lol sorry if i sound nerdish ( :spinner: ) heehee

Infinite Grey

June 11th, 2005, 08:34 PM

Orpion Phoenix

June 15th, 2005, 08:46 PM

lol no I havent met any dragons. And infact my docter thinks my DNA is completely screwed. :ghost:

farm girl

July 3rd, 2005, 02:42 AM

I am open minded to any possibility.

Karma Chameleon

July 3rd, 2005, 01:57 PM

I don't think humans would have or could have any DNA in them from mythical beings. (Or for that matter, any non-human DNA at all unless you're talking about gene splicing.)

SapphireGypsy

July 3rd, 2005, 02:04 PM

I am open minded to any possibility.

I don't think I believe it but its kind of a nice notion isn't it? :)
Because My eyes are large and change from Blue to Silver to Purple in color and my ears definitely come to a point my grandmother used to say that the Fairy that was watching over my crib had allergies and sneezed on me... that's how that happened...that's why I apparently also have allergies LMAO!!.....Irish ya know....Fairies and wicked sense of humor. Picture a 5 year old version of me in the doctors office telling him I have allergies because my fairy sneezed on me.

Ornery,wicked woman my grandmother LOL!! whom I love more than anything :)

~Shea

9-2-2

July 9th, 2005, 01:43 AM

I don't think I believe it but its kind of a nice notion isn't it? :)
Because My eyes are large and change from Blue to Silver to Purple in color and my ears definitely come to a point my grandmother used to say that the Fairy that was watching over my crib had allergies and sneezed on me... that's how that happened...that's why I apparently also have allergies LMAO!!.....Irish ya know....Fairies and wicked sense of humor. Picture a 5 year old version of me in the doctors office telling him I have allergies because my fairy sneezed on me.

Ornery,wicked woman my grandmother LOL!! whom I love more than anything :)

~Shea

I remember when I was little, my late mum (lovely Vietnamese-Chinese lady) loved to mess with my head about my manner of birth... when I first asked, she said, "I was exploring the jungle with your dad, when we found you as a baby on the ground and covered in ants. I spent 8 hours in the tent picking ants out of your eyes, and your mouth, and your ears..." lol, that's pretty messed up. n_n
6 months later, after I had forgotten her original answer, I asked again. She said, "I think when I went to McDonald's a while ago, I ate something bad... it was so bad it grew in my stomach, and when I tried to poop it out, nothing happened! I had to go to the doctor to cut you out of my stomach, you were too big to pass. He said you grew off of the food I ate." :yayah:

StephanieAine

August 3rd, 2005, 04:00 AM

What I'm noticing (and have noticed for a while, not only here at MW, but elsewhere) - is that the *modern idea* of the fairy is quite different than what the early Irish thought of as a fairy.

All of this business about cute little fairies with wings, or shimmering, translucent beings fluttering around like butterflies (except perhaps with long, flowing curled hair and a tiny, tiny tiara)... that sort of thing isn't what I find in the myths.

When I read about the Tuatha De Danaan and other beings simply described as a fairy or some particular type of fairy, they can be described as either very small or quite tall. Often, they look like an ordinary person in every way, and the human who encounters them may not even realize they were seeing a fairy or speaking to a fairy until later on. Maybe, for example, because the person vanishes, or because they do a particular thing at the end of the encounter that is "fairy like." Sometimes, the person will relate an odd encounter with a person who performs a particular feat, then disappears into a mound or mist or something.

But it seems that often, these fairies look just like anyone else.

Sure, there are stories about tiny beings, or the tall, graceful, glowing beings (tall meaning significantly taller than an ordinary man - but not necessarily like some sort of storybook giant). But I can't even remember reading a myth that describes fairies the way we would describe them today, or the way a modern fantasy film would portray them.

As far as "fae blood" is concerned - there are families which are said to have descended from human/fairy intermarriage. But I think this is in large part because fairies and supernatural-types of beings are sort of like the ancient deities were in the minds of the Irish and other Celtic peoples: they were ancestors, not beings far removed. So it's not such a strange leap to think that a human would fall in love with a fairy and produce a child if you also believe yourself to be descended from your tribal gods, for instance.

It might sound like a fantasy story to us today, just because of our viewpoint about fairies and supernatural beings. But to the ancient mind, I don't think it was quite so strange. That's how they viewed the world: you might very well discover your baby is a changeling; after all, that happens now and then... if you're an ancient Celt. If you're a modern New Yorker and you think your baby is a changeling... well, your neighbors aren't going to cluck their tongues and sympathize. They're gonna call the nice men in the white coats <g>.

Philbo

August 3rd, 2005, 01:44 PM

If I have any faerie blood, that would explain my slender figure and my youthful looks. Perhaps one of my viking ancestors kidnapped his wife from the faerie lands.

David19

August 3rd, 2005, 02:12 PM

I voted for the don't know option because i just don't know and even though i'm a new pagan, i've got this book called magical beasts which has one theory that mythological (sp) beings did once walk the earth but i'm not sure if its true or not. I do believe that a lot of the mythological things do exist independently but probably just in other realms/planes that humans might be able to get to through astral projection, etc but as for elves/farie's having sex with humans, like i said i'm not sure but if they're physical beings and humanlike then there's a definate possibility that it could be true since most physical beings need to have sex and i think most physical beings enjoy it too :)

Although i think some mythological things may have been metaphors, natural animals that were mistaken for something else e.g. dinosaur bones, etc and some of them have been proved by current science but that doesn't mean things like dragons, elves, fae, etc don't exist since we've never explored other realms/planes and like one scientist said, i think, we know more about the surface of the moon than our own planet so who knows what is hidden on this planet since only recently discoveries were made of remains of hobbit like people on some island, i think.

I wouldn't rule out having elve/fae blood but i don't think everyone would have it and it would only be a minority of people, not the majority. But like i said, who can say for sure,

Moon Flower

August 6th, 2005, 09:07 PM

The first time I heard of this idea (a few days ago), I thought, 'these people must be deluded.'

And there does not seem to be any evidence for the existence of these creatures in the archaeological record.
(or if there is they arn't telling us!)

But today I thought, 'Hey! My feet are little, and my eyes are blue. So, why the hell not? Even weirder stuff is true sometimes!

So, maybe. How do you tell?
And how does it compare to the neanderthal blood that I am convinced is lurking in the human blood stream somewhere.

But tomorrow I'll probably change my mind again.

Aconite

August 6th, 2005, 09:48 PM

I voted spiritually.

Sequoia

September 6th, 2005, 06:03 PM

But today I thought, 'Hey! My feet are little, and my eyes are blue. So, why the hell not? Even weirder stuff is true sometimes!
Weirder stuff than... small feet and blue eyes? :lol: Faeries don't have a monopoly on small feet and blue eyes, you know :p

RavenMoonshadow

September 14th, 2005, 09:40 AM

I think is it possible, I think I have some. I can pick up almost any weapon (bow, sword, staff) and use it effectivly with out training, you may way hmm you may have just been a warrior alot in past lives, then I would ask you how come I get a rash and my skin burns when I touch iron?

Malcolm

September 14th, 2005, 10:28 AM

then I would ask you how come I get a rash and my skin burns when I touch iron?

Uhhh, you could just be allergic. :wtf:

Morgandria

September 14th, 2005, 11:17 AM

Totally. I'm allergic to hematite - doesn't mean I'm a faerie. Logical fallacy.

stella01904

September 14th, 2005, 11:44 AM

MM ~ It is a teaching, in my Trad, that we are related to the Fairy/Elven. All Witches are.
I would not, however, read this strictly in its most mundane sense of actual physical mudane sex leading to a pointy-eared baby who will grow up to have size 3 feet. As Joseph Campbell said, that is reading the denotation and not the connotation. There are other ways of merging.
I don't even experience the Fairy/Elven in the cutesy way that they are usually portrayed. So I don't go looking for such things. But we are related.
BB, Stella

RavenMoonshadow

September 16th, 2005, 07:23 PM

Totally. I'm allergic to hematite - doesn't mean I'm a faerie. Logical fallacy.

Never said I was, but I could have been in a past life or maybe genetic memory, I do know for a fact I am a decendent of celtic druids. So I could have some fea blood intermingled in there somewere who knows

yavanna

September 22nd, 2005, 11:40 AM

I voted that I've never thought about it before. Its an interesting thought though...

stella01904

September 22nd, 2005, 12:29 PM

Never said I was, but I could have been in a past life or maybe genetic memory, I do know for a fact I am a decendent of celtic druids. So I could have some fea blood intermingled in there somewere who knowsMM ~ Just want to add, Celtic/Druid bloodlines are not a prerequisite. The Italians have the Fata and the Strega have been claiming kinship possibly since Etruscan times. The Native Americans speak of "Little People", the Picts were thought to BE fays, the Germanic peoples recognise all manner of Elven Beings. People who don't even believe in the Fay are experiencing them as "Space People" or "Aliens". It's all pretty universal, and though it is curious and nigh impossible to pin down, it is happening everywhere and always has been.
BB, Stella

Infinite Grey

September 24th, 2005, 04:43 PM

lets see, I have very "faerie/elven" features, I'm clever, fickle, childlike in a lot of ways... but guess what? I'm 100% human! well, my mother thinks of me as a monstrosity born of chaos... but I think she's just being affectionate.

tears_of_ashes

September 25th, 2005, 05:48 PM

Faerie/Elves/Pixies and humans are all different species in my eyes....but it's just my verdict!

2steps

March 10th, 2006, 03:50 PM

This is something that really interests me. I'mnot sure whether its possible or not as I don't know much about it. I have always had a strong feeling of being outcast from humans and I certainly didn't get my pagan beliefs or lifestyle from my family and as I have felt those things since I was very small I don't think I could of learnt it either. Physically I am very small and very sensitive to the things most people miss. None else in my family is small, my 13 year old brother towers over me and my sons is 8 and almost as tall as me lol

Brandon Bee

March 10th, 2006, 08:49 PM

Honestly, I don't think anyone can have "faerie" or "elven" blood, but I don't know everything. The reason I doubt this is I once me a very superficial Pagan who believed she was something like: the nine elemental elf princesses of Japan in a past life. :kooky:

Benvarry

March 10th, 2006, 09:09 PM

Um. No.

But seeing as I don't believe in them in a first place... there isn't much room for debate with me :lol:

Gypsy flower

March 10th, 2006, 09:14 PM

yes, of course!

AstralMagick

March 10th, 2006, 10:12 PM

I believe elves and faeries exist, but they are not only a different breed, but a different species!
I do believe there could be a transfusion of blood for some reason or another that I might not know of, but there is no way of an elf or faerie having offspring with a human.

I've read a couple posts from this thread and agree that most who say they are fae or elven descent want to be special, but there are so MANY out there who claim this. I've been told by many that I look like an elf because of my ears, but I've never considered myself a descendant of one.

DragonMom

March 10th, 2006, 10:42 PM

Well considering that I'm halfling, I'd have to say yes. I have huge, hairy feet, and I'm relatively short & stocky. Even when I was in the best physical shape ever, I still had a Rubenesque build - very hippy & busty, and thick arms & legs. And I love good food. :) Plus I've known some elves - they're very slender and do have a slight pointy-ness in the ears. I don't think it's a blood thing though, I believe it's more how your soul manifests itself physically... if that makes any sense at all. lol

brymble

March 13th, 2006, 06:40 PM

i think it's more a question of energy, not blood.

edited to add, it probably has nothing to do with pointy ears.

Kylie

March 25th, 2006, 11:38 PM

I think that people are more likely to be reincarnations of faeries or elves, from another part of the universe or another dimension or something.

I dunno.

OnyxStar

March 26th, 2006, 04:52 PM

I like to believe my green eyes mean I have some elven blood...but that's probably an idle hope.
I believe that elvish people were ancient, highly physic (sp) people living in Europe before the Celts.

Akhkharu Asgard

April 1st, 2006, 01:00 AM

In my opinion, no. I have seen absolutely no concrete evidence (historical, scientific, etc.) to support "blood" of anyother creature that is not human is flowing through anyones veins. Nor have I seen any concrete evidence of them existing outside of fiction and tales of mythology. I enjoy reading stories and tales about the subject though. But coming from someone who seems to believe more in actual fact than anything else, I just haven't seen any proof at all. *shrugs* Oh well for me, right?

Fire's Shadow

April 1st, 2006, 01:09 AM

I'm gonna have to say no. There are no elves in the known universe other than fictional ones. It is quite possible for elves to exist in one of the infinite parallel universes, but in this one, they haven't been known to exist.

As for a faerie/spirit... I don't know if you could say thats possible. How can a human and a spirit conceive a child? Do faeries/spirits/angels/whatever walk among us in corporeal form? Damn it... I suppose it's possible, but there is no evidence to support this claim either.

I'm going to have say no and no.

Meadhbh

April 1st, 2006, 01:14 AM

Sure I think it could happen. It won't that often now but there is still a chance. As to how it manifests itself it depends on what the type of the fae and on the human genes to began with. On some people it would be more likely to show up than others.

David19

April 1st, 2006, 09:56 AM

I think you can have a Fae or elven soul (like otherkin), but for actual blood, i'm not too sure, maybe they can take on corporeal form and walk in this realm/plane, i'm not too sure, i think i've heard that in Celtic/Irish myth, a lot of people had Fae blood (like witches, etc). Anyone familar with that?

I do believe they can exist in other realms/planes, (since i believe in a multiverse).

stella01904

April 1st, 2006, 10:47 AM

There are stories about changelings, too...though I don't think they live very long...
Stella

thundersdisciple

April 3rd, 2006, 09:43 AM

ok, now I know this is an old maxim but remeber, we are all created from the same source, one blood runs through us all!
The fae and dragons and other such beasts may be our ancestors but remeber your ancestors that came before you still share your bloodline!

our conection to the fae may seem removed or minute ar times but it is there and it is stronger than you think. We share the same mystical heritage of magick as well!!

Meabh23

April 4th, 2006, 03:34 AM

Ok, I've something funny to ask.

I've heard people talking about how they think such and such has faerie or elven blood in them, for various reasons. Often things like heightened senses, slightly pointy (or sometimes very pointy ^^; ) ears, tiny feet, big big eyes, things like that. Or things that aren't physically manifested at all.

My ears seem to have a delicate almost-pointy ness to them. They don't come to any sort of sharp point, but they sweep up a bit (kinda like gracefully trying to get to a point, but deciding to round in the end.) I've seen some people who have a destinctive point to their ears.

Do we have faerie/elven blood? hehe Do you think it's even possible?

~Puma

I would say it is impossible. Different species cannot produce offspring that is fertile. Thus any child born of a union between fey and human would be a genetic dead end. (They would be infertile.) Perhaps over time evolution could produce success stories, but it is highly unlikely.

It is more likely that the vast range of phenotypes displayed among humans is the result of our own species' genetics and adaptations. Ideas such as "people with pointy such-and-such" are mixed human with some other species can lead to prejudice. (Racist theories used to be based on such ideas.) So this is a topic to be careful with.

Cerulean_damselfly

April 5th, 2006, 11:57 PM

This is a fun topic to read through.

I found some discussion of Tolkien Elves as portrayed in writing and movies...for amusement, if nothing else. Body type, hair and eye colors are also discussed:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elves_%28Tolkien%29

Best,

Cerulean_damselfly

Little Billy

April 6th, 2006, 12:42 AM

Do we have faerie/elven blood? hehe Do you think it's even possible?

No. First, even if you COULD hang out with faeries without being eaten or something equally unpleasant, there's still that nasty chromosome issue.

Sequoia

April 6th, 2006, 03:17 AM

No. First, even if you COULD hang out with faeries without being eaten or something equally unpleasant, there's still that nasty chromosome issue.
lmao indeed. Quite an old thread, this is...

... dear lord, did we just agree on something? :blushake:

Meabh23

April 6th, 2006, 03:38 AM

Now. Now. Let's not scare the monkeys.

raedyn_l

April 8th, 2006, 09:18 PM

Meabh23

April 11th, 2006, 04:40 AM

If there is such a thing as fey blood, then I swear I am a leprechaun because I cannot get enough of IRELAND!! I'm short, I like good shoes, I always wear green on St Patrick's Day, and whenever I hear 'Ireland' I go "WHERE?!"

On a more serious note, I do feel a very close kinship to the Emerald Isles, and I at first thought that I was simply an Irish incarnate :D.

But then my mother mentioned something about my great-uncle being transported to an underground world with a fairy queen who had beautiful long golden hair and everything in that place was gold and reeked of material wealth.

Doesn't that sound like the queen of the Sidhe?! My great-uncle was kidnapped by the Sidhe!!! OMG!! :eek:

And for the record, I'm not Irish. I'm Filipino/Pacific Islander/ASIAN.

That's interesting. I caught the Irish bug a while back. It's a beautiful country and the language and culture are wonderful. Just watch out with the leprechaun stuff because many Irish find that offensive. The sidhe are a troublesome lot, but if you are really interested in that stuff you can find loads of info on it.

Also, it helps if you can foghlaim an Ghaeilge. The language goes a long way towards opening up the traditional culture.

arianrhods_daughter

April 16th, 2006, 04:23 AM

My personal belief is:

Biologically, no
Spiritually, maybe but doubt it
Reincarnated soul, I don't think that a soul is specifically one species or another but the lessons learned from that life can be imprinted on that soul

LadyShade

April 16th, 2006, 10:15 PM

I think yes, but its a bummer. I have friends that are so petite. and ther ears are pointish. And they are gracfull.
But...
I am NOT gracfull, I am not petite, infact I've always been chubby, my whole life. I'm not musicaly inclined.....So I guess I dont have any in me :( lol

Darius

April 26th, 2006, 05:15 PM

Physically? No way... at least I've never seen a human and a four inch faerie or a human and an elf go at it in the middle of the woods.

Raven_Neurion

May 6th, 2006, 10:29 AM

Ok, I'm new to this forum but certainly not to the topic!
I haven't read everything but it seems a lot of folk are thinking of Fae & Elves as they are portrayed to society, which is actually a huge corruption created by the churches. Elves & fae are not minute little tinkerbell or Santa's helpers type beings. The little flower Faes are really nature spirits.
Real Elves and Fae are human size or taller. They are akin to Tolkiens Elves portrayed in LOTR.
Historically there are real Elven folk. The Tuatha de Dannan of Ireland are but one example. More and more research is being done into the origins of Tolkiens writings and it comes to light that he wrote an actual historical mythology, not just a mere "fantasy" as many believe. Most of what Tolkien recorded can be found in the ancient legends of the Norse & the Gaelic peoples. In both lands even some of the Christian missionaries reported there were such things as Elves & Fae, the only problem is the Christians demonized them and called them all evil.
Elves are not manifest as "short people" - if anything they are taller than average. My wife is 5' 8" and has pointed ears. Our son also has similar pointed ears and the blue grey eyes. They have other physical traits as well. I am of average hight but have the keen eyesight (20/10 - 20/15) of Elves and keen hearing. (In the military hearing test I took 25 years ago they said I could hear sounds that were out of the range of most humans.) We have both traced our physical Elve/Fae lineage as much as is possible which goes back through Native American ancestry, intermarraige with Gaelic people and the Scottish clans that arose originally from the Tuatha, along with the French line of Elves on my wifes side.
Spiritually Elveness is an awakening and an awareness of who you are and you just seem to resonate with the path of the Elves when you are exposed to it. It is something you have always known but it may have been hidden in its full disclosure and only discovered later in life. But it was felt as a child, it's just we didn't know what it meant till we were older.
We have been visited by Elven beings from the spirit world: another dimension, astral, whatever you wish to call it. We have received messages from them, and we have also seen Fae. These are not hallucinations nor are they drug trips or delusions of a schizophrenic mind. No, these things are very real and more and more people are realizing the reality of true Elven existance.
One final note: Are we full blooded Elves? No. Our bloodlines have been mingled with the race of men (humans) for centuries. But the Elven DNA is still there and the spirit is certainly there, and combined together we are aware of who we are.

Morgandria

May 17th, 2006, 12:35 PM

aprilofdoom

May 17th, 2006, 12:39 PM

I just straight-up can't believe in it. Some call me narrow-minded (quite ironic, "you're narrow-minded for not believing in what I believe!"), but it's just too unbelievable for me.

aprilofdoom

May 17th, 2006, 12:40 PM

omar

May 18th, 2006, 04:59 PM

Raven Neurion.:fpoke: What kind of psychotrops are you on.:smash:

Raven_Neurion

May 30th, 2006, 12:15 PM

If you're going to claim something like non-human DNA, please provide us with tangible proof that you have non-human DNA, like test results, or something.
Please. The burden of proof lies with you.

Claiming things like height and pointed ears is at best circumstantial, and at worst meaningless, since the human body can manifest many little oddities like this and not change its DNA structure one bit.

You are welcome to your spirituality and beliefs. However, if you're going to make a scientific claim, back it up.

When it comes to DNA there may not be a "test" so to speak, and then again there may be. How will they determine it to be "Elven"? What they could do is probably trace it back through the Scottish line to the Tuatha Dannan if that is possible. I know my grandfathers clan has mentioned doing some sort of testing to see if they came from the "gods..."
As far as "non-human DNA" like I've always said, they probably won't find any 'alien" DNA in alien hybrids because alien DNA is really no different than human DNA and I would say the same for Elven DNA. Beings that can breed with one another will have nearly identical DNA... so at best we could hope for those little marker thingies they look for like when they determine if someone has Native American DNA.

No, I am not on psycho drugs, psychadelics, or any such substance. I say what I say and believe what I believe because I've done tons of research on it. I won't even mention personal revelations since things like that can be open to interpretation, although it was personal revelations that led me to the research. There are literally tons of information about true Elves and their origins. These are sane & well respected people, not some fringe element of society.

It doesn't take a lot of effort to trace the Tuatha de Dannan (or originally Tuade d'Anu) to a Scythian people who originally came from Sumer in Mesopatamia where they were the children of Anu the sky god of the Annunaki. You can trace some of the Scottish clans to the Tuatha who left Ireland after they were defeated by the Melisians and went over to Scotland mingling with the Picts. And most agree that going way back to the Annuanki that these were a people who literally decended from the sky or from heaven and mated with people. Some Christians will call them fallen angels *whatever* - others claim that the Annuanki did some genetic stuff with Homo Erectus to produce the first true humans.... but whatever theory you may believe about the Annunaki, it is pretty much accepted that they were a real people who visited earth in ancient times and that this planet was not their original home....

All in all, what is so hard to believe about any of this? We live in a world that is steeped in unbelief, that has lost its magic, that tries to give a modern scientific explanation to everything and without it then it doesn't exist.

Morgandria

May 30th, 2006, 02:20 PM

Well, since we have no physical evidence, like DNA, of the Tuatha de Dannan, there's no way to compare human DNA to it. There isn't any way to prove your claim. There are many theories out there, but we simply don't know for sure where they came from, and what exactly they were - so we can't prove that you are or aren't. It'll always come down to what people are willing to believe - and I personally can't believe your claim. "True elves", indeed.

Science and faith is not mutually exclusive. I believe in both DNA, and the Tuatha. However, one belief is based in evidence, and the other I know to be purely a matter of faith and personal gnosis for me. One of them can be examined and understood by others, and the other of them is entirely in my own mind, and cannot really be examined by others. Simply because one belief can't be proved with empirical methods doesn't mean I don't believe it. What it *does* mean is that I don't expect others to share my personal gnosis - I can't honestly expect people to, unless they can share my experiences, or be given proof of them they are willing to accept.

Likewise with historical sources. History is nothing but a collection of theories, of varying popularity, based on archaeological and anthropological finds. Historians often fall into 'camps', based on how they're extrapolating and interpreting information from primary and secondary sources. What's "true" depends on your point of view.

I find your claims that the Annunaki are generally accepted as aliens who tampered with human development lucridous; again, lacking fact, it comes down to belief, and I do not believe this nor accept it as part of proof for other beliefs.

In the end, I disbelieve your claim simply because it's based mostly on faith and desire to be elven, rather than something factual I can actually see. It's nothing personal.

Semjaza

May 30th, 2006, 09:33 PM

I voted no... My interpretation of the Good People precludes the possibility of humans having Fae blood, and I think that someone having an affinity for elves doesn't mean that they are one. In the folklore of my area, the settlers from Europe believed that the faeries were attached to places. They didn't follow the settlers across the ocean, they were already here (in Nova Scotia and Newfoundland, the wild and desolate places). They were regarded with a respect born of fear, and with this as a background, when people tell me that they're elves or have elven blood, I get the impression that they're living in a Mercedes Lackey novel. Having pointy ears doesn't make a person an elf anymore than having hairy feet makes you a hobbit :P

Cheers,

Semjaza
FFFF

Raven_Neurion

May 31st, 2006, 10:28 AM

:jamsessio
I find your claims that the Annunaki are generally accepted as aliens who tampered with human development lucridous; again, lacking fact, it comes down to belief, and I do not believe this nor accept it as part of proof for other beliefs.

In the end, I disbelieve your claim simply because it's based mostly on faith and desire to be elven, rather than something factual I can actually see. It's nothing personal.

To address this one point about the Annunaki, that is not my claim. My personal belief is that they were angelic beings who left "heaven" but decided rather than follow the rebel leader (Satan, Lucifer, what have you) they decided to come to earth and establish a life here. So they might be "alien" in the sense of being not from this world, but they were not aliens like Zecharia Sitchin proposes. He is the one who claims they tampered with human development and enhanced Homo Erectus with genetics.
I am sure they were viewed as "gods" by some of the people simply because they had greater intellectual and spiritual powers. They introduced technologies that the people of the land didn't know. So I personally do not believe them to be gods or aliens. They are angelic beings, and pretty much like us or what we can be if we tap into the spiritual resources available to us.
Also, as far as the Christian belief that "fallen angels" are locked up in some sort of hades and will be judged and condemned forever is not what I believe. I believe many of them do have or will have a place in the universe - in fact I used this thesis in one of my English finals and got an A on it....:ballonsmi

Oh, I see the poll has 353 that believe people can have Elf or Fae blood in one way or another, even if it doesn't "show." (The top 4) to 310 who either don't believe at all or are not sure. Therefore the Elves & Fae automatically win! :colorful: :woot:

MoonDragn

May 31st, 2006, 02:24 PM

There was an article about analyzing genes. In the article they said that the caucausian race has some genes that are not entirely human, and seem to be from some outside species.

David19

May 31st, 2006, 04:44 PM

When it comes to DNA there may not be a "test" so to speak, and then again there may be. How will they determine it to be "Elven"? What they could do is probably trace it back through the Scottish line to the Tuatha Dannan if that is possible. I know my grandfathers clan has mentioned doing some sort of testing to see if they came from the "gods..."
As far as "non-human DNA" like I've always said, they probably won't find any 'alien" DNA in alien hybrids because alien DNA is really no different than human DNA and I would say the same for Elven DNA. Beings that can breed with one another will have nearly identical DNA... so at best we could hope for those little marker thingies they look for like when they determine if someone has Native American DNA.

No, I am not on psycho drugs, psychadelics, or any such substance. I say what I say and believe what I believe because I've done tons of research on it. I won't even mention personal revelations since things like that can be open to interpretation, although it was personal revelations that led me to the research. There are literally tons of information about true Elves and their origins. These are sane & well respected people, not some fringe element of society.

It doesn't take a lot of effort to trace the Tuatha de Dannan (or originally Tuade d'Anu) to a Scythian people who originally came from Sumer in Mesopatamia where they were the children of Anu the sky god of the Annunaki. You can trace some of the Scottish clans to the Tuatha who left Ireland after they were defeated by the Melisians and went over to Scotland mingling with the Picts. And most agree that going way back to the Annuanki that these were a people who literally decended from the sky or from heaven and mated with people. Some Christians will call them fallen angels *whatever* - others claim that the Annuanki did some genetic stuff with Homo Erectus to produce the first true humans.... but whatever theory you may believe about the Annunaki, it is pretty much accepted that they were a real people who visited earth in ancient times and that this planet was not their original home....

All in all, what is so hard to believe about any of this? We live in a world that is steeped in unbelief, that has lost its magic, that tries to give a modern scientific explanation to everything and without it then it doesn't exist.

I respect your beliefs and as i don't know you, i can't comment about whether your lying or telling the truth, but, you seem to be implying that the Annuanki were 'aliens', that visited the earth, i do know some Sumerian reconstructionists, and the alien hypothis has been completly discredited (it was started by a guy called Sctinn(sp) who wrote Chariot of the Gods, the 12 planet, etc, i think anyway).

Also, the Celtic gods and Sumerian/Mesopotamium gods aren't the same gods.

Anyway, i'd just thought i'd add that, not to discredit your beliefs.

David19

May 31st, 2006, 04:50 PM

:jamsessio

To address this one point about the Annunaki, that is not my claim. My personal belief is that they were angelic beings who left "heaven" but decided rather than follow the rebel leader (Satan, Lucifer, what have you) they decided to come to earth and establish a life here. So they might be "alien" in the sense of being not from this world, but they were not aliens like Zecharia Sitchin proposes. He is the one who claims they tampered with human development and enhanced Homo Erectus with genetics.
I am sure they were viewed as "gods" by some of the people simply because they had greater intellectual and spiritual powers. They introduced technologies that the people of the land didn't know. So I personally do not believe them to be gods or aliens. They are angelic beings, and pretty much like us or what we can be if we tap into the spiritual resources available to us.
Also, as far as the Christian belief that "fallen angels" are locked up in some sort of hades and will be judged and condemned forever is not what I believe. I believe many of them do have or will have a place in the universe - in fact I used this thesis in one of my English finals and got an A on it....:ballonsmi

Again, just thought i'd add you seem to mixing Christian beliefs with Celtic, plus when you say that the Annukai were 'angelic beings' that were only seen to be gods, i think that's disrespectful to the cultures who followed various gods, plus modern day worshippers (who would disagree that their gods are really angelic beings who left heaven).

Plu, Lucifer isn't an Archangel, the myth about falling from grace, i think, was originally meant about a Babylonian king that treated the Jews very badly. Lucifer was a name given to various supernatural beings (an Italian god, and even Jesus).

Raven_Neurion

June 1st, 2006, 11:20 AM

Yes it was Zechariah Sitchin who claimed the Annunaki were aliens.... he did write the 12th planet but not Chariots of the the Gods....that was Eric Von Daniken :viking:
I won't deny "mixing" Christian beliefs with Celtic, but rather than say "mixing" I am finding the parallels and in some cases where what one culture believes is really the same as something else from another culture with a different name.
The Isaiah 14 passage about Lucifer is about a Babylonian king, yes - but Scripture often has what is known as dual prophecy where it means one thing on the present world plane and another comparable thing in the celestial plane. I'll agree Lucifer was *probably* a name applied to "the devil" that was not his real name.... There is also the Ezekiel 28 passage that, while it speaks of a prince of Tyrus & a king of Tyrus, it is obvious it is also speaking of another being that couldn't possibly be a person. It says he was in Eden the garden of God, and goes on to say :
"Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire. Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee."

Here he is called the covering Cherub, an angelic being and not a man. So we see that the chapter is talking about an earthly prince and a celestial one... also we have to understand sometimes "king" can designate a principality or power in the heavenly realm. Now granted, here we do not find the name "Lucifer" so I really don't mind when people say Lucifer is not the devils real name. I don't even like the term "The Devil" because it invokes images of little red dudes with pitchforks and barbed tails, which is nonsensical. Actually the dude was/is a pretty powerful and very beautiful being.

Ok, Celtic gods are not the same as Sumerian gods, but I wouldn't expect them to be when you have one group of people who migrated over hundreds of years to another place, all the while picking up bits and pieces of the cultures they came in contact with along the way. And maybe if a god-like being in Europe had origins in Sumer and knew it they might want to change things a bit themselves so as not to appear just like someone else.

Greyharp

June 2nd, 2006, 05:24 PM

I've sat down so many times to write a response to this thread, but every time I do, I start laughing. Then I start reading the thread to get the gist of what has gone before and I laugh even more. Lets just say I voted "no". This has been wonderfully entertaining, thanks. :yayah:

Raven_Neurion

June 3rd, 2006, 12:32 PM

It's facinating.... among pagan folk, gnostic folk, alternative spiritual folk there seems to be as much disagreement as there is between Christian church denominations. :alol: Fact is many believe in actual Elven bloodlines & ancestry, some believe it just to be a spiritual phenomenon, and others don't believe in any of it at all. That's OK I suppose, at least I haven't noticed anyone telling people they are going to hell for what they beleive or don't believe. :fpeace:

Sionnach le Fey

June 3rd, 2006, 01:20 PM

Hmm to be honest, I'm a little skeptical about the existance of faeries, elves and whatnot. I used to kinda believe in them, but not so much anymore. They're a nice thought, though.
So, I say no. I believe there ain't a chance of humans having faerie or elven blood in them.

Ulfurskona

June 3rd, 2006, 07:38 PM

Raven_Neurion

June 5th, 2006, 11:36 AM

[quote=Lunamoth]Hmm...but various big cats have been mated successfully and various equines, not necessarily of the same type, but have produced offspring. Recent studies have shown that dogs are descendants of wolves, though the divergance happened around 135,000 years ago. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/wolves/wolfdog.html

Random bit of information, there is only a 1% variation of dna between your average dog and your average wolf. So, given that 135k years ago, someone started domesticating wolves and they became dogs...what's to say that even if humans "did" have fairy/elven blood that we'd be able to tell anyway? If you follow the dog to wolf dna variation, we're practically carrying identical dna to elves anyway, and we won't be able to identify the variants from one to the other for another 135k years...

Very good point. I would think in order for two types of beings to mate and have offspring the DNA would have to be nearly identical, or as you point out, within that 1% margin. Humans can't even breed with Chimps or apes of any kind... and they say they are humans closest relatives, but their DNA is several markers off. Even Neanderthal DNA is enough markers off from Homo sapiens that some scientists have begun to say it is another species.

HeavensHope

June 17th, 2006, 12:11 AM

hehe the Irish just said I was like a Faery..minus the pointy ears. lol (Not saying I think I am though)

I think it's because I'm very fair skinned, have big eyes, fairly small feet...almost flawless complexion (but I think it's because I dont get enough sunlight).

Then again he also called me Snow White.. so *shrugs*

Anyway...back to what everyone was talking about..DNA and such. (Sorry this thread is just too long for me to go back and read every one)
Why do we assume that elves and faeries are a different race and not just a more evolved form of what we are.

I remember reading something on the Irish and the Fae's or the first people of Ireland..urgh..can't remember.
Anyway the book is call "History of the Irish Race", very long but interesting..a bit of history, a bit of mythology, but yeah there's a brief story on the Faery race/people.

I'm not sure what I voted..hehe But the idea of elves and faeries are nice...I cant really say if I believe or dont believe in them..depends on my mood really.

Grimr

June 17th, 2006, 02:35 AM

Sounds like mindless made up stories to me.

I have such a hard time believing this.

Grimr

June 17th, 2006, 03:20 AM

If people are descendants of elves then I am a descendant of a cabbage patch doll. :yayah:

David19

June 17th, 2006, 11:22 AM

I think it may be possible to be a reincarnation of a Fae or elf, but i'm not sure about genetics.

ElvenMage

June 17th, 2006, 12:54 PM

i believe that humans may have faery blood in them. i have perfect 20/20 vision according to the eye doctor but out of everyone i know, and some of these people are Air Force pilots, i can see like a hawk, and yesh....pointy ears somewhat!

Morgandria

June 17th, 2006, 02:20 PM

Pointed ears and excellent eyesight are all in the realm of human genetics.

firedancer

June 18th, 2006, 11:40 AM

it might make sense that i have some faerie/elven blood in me. I'm a very small person (4 ft 4") i have small feet and my dad's entire family has been short(exept him he's 6ft.) and we are desendant from irland. who knows maybe

Lovehound

July 16th, 2006, 10:02 PM

Just for the record....

I don't believe in Otherkin or any such thing as that.

Landvaettir are one thing. I've dealt with them before. My partner and I seem to have a very good working relationship with the local landvaettir. We do offerings and whatnot to them fairly regularly.

But Otherkin is something else entirely. The idea of humans being part...whatever is just something I can't wrap my mind around, and I don't WANT to wrap my mind around so don't try and convince me.

Sequoia

July 18th, 2006, 07:47 PM

But Otherkin is something else entirely. The idea of humans being part...whatever is just something I can't wrap my mind around, and I don't WANT to wrap my mind around so don't try and convince me.
I can wrap my mind around the idea, but I don't believe it one whit. I could say I was part unicorn, too, because I felt drawn to mystical forests and had blonde hair, but that doesn't make it true. I could also say I was a reincarnated unicorn. Reincarnation is easier to claim because you cannot prove or disprove it.

Still, if there are elves/faeries, I'm fairly certain they're spirit creatures, and not capable of having DNA.

David19

July 22nd, 2006, 02:41 PM

I can believe in otherkin as i think the idea is found in a lot of cultures (not in the sense of 'physically' related to a fae, elf, demon, angel, etc, but, i think, reincarnations of spiritual/supernatural beings takes place, like i think, in Buddhism (& Hinduism?), humans can be reincarnated as demons so why could supernatural beings be reincarnated as humans?.

amunakht

August 1st, 2006, 01:31 PM

I don't think thats possible. I don't think elves or faires exist. Even if they did exist, humans and them would be different species and so they could not produce fertile offspring.

MajorTal

August 12th, 2006, 02:19 PM

Yeah I agree on the darwinistic level that if they did have dna that could be shared it would be unable to produce fertile offspring if any offspring at all. Now you can love all the Elves you want....mmmmmmmm Haldir......(runs away to procreate with Haldir before he dies in LOTR:TT.....) :D

***Tal***

Cornflake_Girl8

August 20th, 2006, 12:05 AM

Not sure how to take this one, but I believe in the existence of the Others because no one can sincerely prove they don't exist. However, I find it hard to believe that humans could have their blood in their veins.

It's a really cool idea though.

Merewyn

August 23rd, 2006, 10:25 AM

I think it's possible... and I think it can manifest itself physically or otherwise - or a combination thereof.

As for myself, I'd previously never considered whether or not I could have such possibility. But after a family reunion a couple years ago, I'm really starting to wonder. I know about DNA and recessive genes and all that, but my 'colouring,' build and stature are very different from everyone in the family (including my father's side) - and it was made one of the 'hot topics' of the reunion.

I'm 24 and 5'1" - and very petite. My mothers side are average to larger built people, and my father's side are very sturdily built and of average to larger size. My hair colour is not simply brown like my mothers and fathers (in fact, my mom was nearly blond as a child until her hair darkened only slightly in her 20's naturally)- it is very dark, nearly a natural black, and I have green eyes. No one could recall any family members - living or deceased that had any part of that combination.

My mothers side is Celtic, spreading across Ireland, Scotland & Wales, my father's side is (very nearly strictly) Norweigian. After hearing legends of the "darkeys" (or children of Selkies) from the Orkney Isles, now I'm wondering if maybe something has stayed dormant within my family, and has chosen to manifest in me?

Or perhaps I am being very silly and wishful... :bigredblu I suppose many would wish to have something magickal inside them. Who knows.

Tadrith

December 2nd, 2006, 09:26 PM

It's more of a state of mind. If you have an attraction towards elves or faeries, its probably the stereotype that you are emulating.

I wonder, if elves were portrayed like the vertically challenged aides for the big guy in red, if people would still make the claim that they have elven blood.

Tad

Tabbykitty

December 8th, 2006, 02:23 PM

I wonder, if elves were portrayed like the vertically challenged aides for the big guy in red, if people would still make the claim that they have elven blood.

Tad

ha ha ha...... good one.......

now here's my answer..... yeah I think there'd still be people who would make the claim.... although A LOT less than there are now. ;)

Mesektet

December 8th, 2006, 02:42 PM

Its a nice idea for a book, or a series of books, or pages and pages of fan fiction.

ModernKnight

December 8th, 2006, 02:55 PM

As a side note, the word "elven" and "elves" is purely Tolkein. The proper spelling is "elfin" and "elfs".

noxtwice

December 12th, 2006, 12:58 AM

I believe there are people as such... my ex's mother HAS to be one. 4'1", red harid, pale skin, green eyes, petite and insanely happy ALL THE TIME. she can't even be mad without being super duper sweet about it.

coeur

December 12th, 2006, 02:22 AM

I agree with many opinions that these ideas are largely the fabrications of those prone to escapism, a large ego, or delusion. Certainly elves and faeries have been portrayed as very beautiful, pretty, cute, and fantastical beings and I'm sure that we would all like to be like that. On the other hand...just consider how loony you sound?

I tend to believe in deities and beings like faeries to be manifestations of energies (like plant energy, forest energy, earth energy), thus I don't even consider them physical entities. In that model of the universe, it'd be impossible for there to be any blood to be involved or cross-breeding.

Basically, you're mixing your faith with your science here, and even scientifically it wouldn't make any sense. It's very difficult to mix species and usually the resulting offspring is sterile. There would be countless genetic defects as well.

Tadrith

December 12th, 2006, 06:10 PM

As a side note, the word "elven" and "elves" is purely Tolkein. The proper spelling is "elfin" and "elfs".

Wikipedia disagrees (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elf)
Oxford also gives (http://www.askoxford.com/concise_oed/elfin?view=uk) definitions which are contradictory to yours (http://www.askoxford.com/concise_oed/elf?view=uk)

Tad

ModernKnight

December 12th, 2006, 11:02 PM

Wikipedia and Oxford are both based on popular usage of the English language. Check a pre-1970 dictionary and see what it says.

Zibblsnrt

December 13th, 2006, 12:04 AM

Wikipedia and Oxford are both based on popular usage of the English language. Check a pre-1970 dictionary and see what it says.

Languages change. By definition the currently-accepted usages, in any language, are the correct ones.

(It always tickles me when people suggest that the OED is somehow not the authoritative source on English vocabulary, though.)

darkchild

January 18th, 2007, 12:58 PM

I don't know for sure one way or the other, but I would love to know the answer to this question!

Dawn

ModernKnight

January 18th, 2007, 06:58 PM

Languages change. By definition the currently-accepted usages, in any language, are the correct ones.

Languages change because cultures change. If you want to talk about modern fantasy elves, there are literature boards elsewhere for that. If you want to talk about the elfs of folklore, then why not refer to them the way people did when the culture still believed in them?

Julea

January 28th, 2007, 05:35 PM

I don't think it's possible, seeing as I don't believe in faeries or elves, but I do have big, big eyes. But then again I also have a big nose, big lips, and a big forehead, so it's probably just my weird face. xD

synopa

January 28th, 2007, 07:18 PM

I think it's interesting that many of the "traits" that have been listed as signs of faerie blood are taken from MODERN works of fiction (Tolkien's point-eared elves, the nightvision and slanted eyes of the D&D elves) But far more common in folklore are the tales of faerie folk who are perfectly human in form, but with one imperfection, such as an animal part, or an inability to cross running water or touch iron. Also common are the shapeshifters, faerie men and women that can change to another form, usually that of an animal, at will or on a certain day of the week.
I hope this post won't sound inflammatory, BUT: We have plenty of folk here claiming to have to or know someone with faerie/elf blood. But the traits offered as "evidence" are often those in line with MODERN sources (pointy ears, slanted eyes, pale skin, excellent vision). Where are the people who can swat away flies with their phantom cowtail? Didn't anyone here find that their duck feet helped tremendously when they were trying out for the swim team? And surely, there is at least one gal here who turns into a seal one day a week? :rolleyes:
Okay, even I have not read every book on folklore around. If someone can point me to a book of folklore that says that faeries/elves have 20/20 vision, pointy teeth(?), pointy ears, pointy shoes, and can write with their toes, I will gladly shut my mouth! :lol:

and this quote from someone else!

Of note, if you research it a little, most folk cultures have stories about their equivalent of fairies and/or elves cross breeding with humans. In some medieval noble families it was a source of pride. The selkie stories of Scotland and Ireland and the stories of the water fairies like Melusine and Ondine in France, and the intermarriages of noble men with nymphs and the like in Greco-Roman mythology are good examples of this.
The fact that such lore is commonplace (sorry, must say it again if you do your research ) suggests that the idea has been around for a long, long time.

I confess I stopped reading at post 16o something! I swear this thread goes on forever. Very interesting, BTW. I agree with the first quote on here, that most of the posters who see fae or elvin blood are basing it on a hollywood version. And with the second poster and the several persons who suggested that at one time the little people were known to be big people, well,here is my personal opinion;
If you take all the religions of the world, and sift through them, they seem to (at the basics) say the same thing. We then personalize them for our time and culture. There are far to many stories of humans mixing with OTHERS for me to discount them. I have studied many different religions and the history of religeons, but the one I can claim to understand the most is the ancient Judeo. So let me use an example from it. I'm sure you all have heard of the genisis account of creation. well if you continue to read past the introduction of man into the world, they intermarry, yet no record is made of the creation of more than 4 or 5 people, so who are they marrying? It goes on to say, the children of man (adam/eve) mated with the children of god, "and in those days there were giants in the land." The story continues on to say that noah and family were saved from the flood because they were "pure in all their generations." *ie, no sons of god blood? * My point is simply, in all cultures and religions there is some reference made to both events, the mixing of, for lack of a better word, RACES, and also the world wide flood. There may have been several many types of beings originally, or it may be that there was just these children of gods, and in each culture we called them something else? So if you skip the hollywood version of fairy, and consider they were large people, that they did indeed mate with the humans, then you match the judeo story. Hence I do believe it is possible that what is known as "sons of god" or "fairies" or numerous other mytholigical beings perhaps and very likely, once mated with man.

omar

January 29th, 2007, 07:04 PM

I read that some peoples names indicate there fairy or elf or other blood. Such names as O'Shea,McVay etc. I can't find the book. I'll keep looking. It had more names in it.

sarabethv

January 30th, 2007, 11:21 PM

Sorry if this is a repeat but I believe it is entirely possible, but let me explain how. There are differences in mankind depending upon what we call race. I believe that what we call fairies or elves are simply other races that may not be present in pure form today. Rather, they are undoubtedly mixed in with probably european races.

omar

January 31st, 2007, 07:04 PM

People with the names Lutin,Leshy, Nixon,Drake,Grifith,Sidhe, O'Shea & McVay all got there names because of a conection to faires or Elfs or other little people.

Tanya

February 1st, 2007, 03:54 AM

fossil evidence?????????

show me some.

otherwise we are talking about the emotional/cultural synthesis of an idea about magic.. which is charming... but the last thing we need around here is possers with self-proffessed Elf blood.

doesn't anyone else here know in the old days if a girl got herself knocked up before she was married the only way to get out of the equivalent of a scarlet letter was to say the fairies raped her. And we aren't even talking about babies got a Beltane when anything went.....surely they too would have been thought to be got by fairies, not the local farm boys after a wild night in the May woods.

Ok... so who hasn't a bastard for an ansestor... that doesn't make you part fairy... it make you and your ansestors ALL human.. and what's not lovely about being THAT.

Malcolm

February 1st, 2007, 01:24 PM

Ok... so who hasn't a bastard for an ansestor... that doesn't make you part fairy... it make you and your ansestors ALL human.. and what's not lovely about being THAT.

No pointy ears or penchant for acting prissy? Also that whole immortality thing, oh and the preeeety singing and swooshy frilly alphabet. :)

stormy7721

February 9th, 2007, 01:33 PM

I love fairies and fairy lore and I believe they could exist on a separate realm from us here on earth (and maybe, just maybe they visit sometimes) but just like dogs and cats cannot mix, I don't believe fairies and humans could produce a child either.........not in this life anyway ;)

Just my opion on the matter.

Tabbykitty

February 9th, 2007, 01:43 PM

Wow! I'm surprised this thread is still running after so many posts :)

I guess the belief in elves and faeries is a strong one :D........ actually I wonder why that is so?

omar

February 12th, 2007, 07:40 PM

Wow! I'm surprised this thread is still running after so many posts :)

I guess the belief in elves and faeries is a strong one :D........ actually I wonder why that is so?

Try looking over your shoulder? See!:lol:

WitchyLady777

February 17th, 2008, 07:10 PM

Since I personally believe that what we think of as the Fae people are likely aliens or beings from elsewhere, other worlds or dimensions maybe, who have visited and probably inter-bred with us many, many times, I don't have the slightest problem with believing that humans have "elven" blood in them. Likely we ALL do to some degree. Whether or not certain talents or physical traits manifest in certain people because of it I don't know.

Speaking for myself, I've been drawn to "Fae" things since before I understood what that meant. When other small kids were looking at ladybugs I was often looking at (and hearing) elemental things that most people seem to never see. Now you can look at it one of two ways, either I was completely nutters as a wee lil kid (Yes, of course that is a distinct possibility, lol.) or I had one HECK of an imagination even before I could read (and I started reading pretty darned young) or there are things in this world that exist that just can't been seen by everyone and which most folks dismiss as simply not being there.

As an adult I've trained myself I think not to notice things like that as much. But even now, once in a while I slip and I find myself talking back to something or someone and it's not just MYSELF, you know? It's not like I walk around seeing millions of little people all over the place, mind you, but now and again, a stray giggle, or a rude comment, or something just disappears or reappears and well, I just know it's not MY doing it, darn it!

Then again, I have a mind like an open sieve, psychically-speaking and apparently always have.

It's fortunate actually that the Gods also gave me a healthy does of skepticism and a strong will, otherwise? I'd likely be standing on a street corner in Berkeley California, hawking dying flowers, wearing a sarong and a smile, chanting "Hail Molly Ringwald's Holy Ringlets" or something equally crazy....

Stoirmeacha

February 17th, 2008, 11:07 PM

I believe that the Aos Si are a seperate species that do not even live on this "plane", so to speak. I believe that their plane has a very close vibrational level to ours and that is why they are seen so often. I do not believe that we can have the same DNA pattern as they do, but I do believe that, in a way, we are related to them, but more like the way we are related to monkeys, not like we are related to our ancestors. They are another intelligent species, that are capable of different things because they live on different planes, but do not necessarily live in the Sidhe (the mounds). I believe that the Sidhe are symbolic representations of the gateways to the Otherworlds, or their plane and the planes of the gods.
Anyways, my point is, we are connected, but not biologically.

Meadhbh

February 22nd, 2008, 05:11 AM

Heres the thing as a general rule humanity with share DNA with anything that will hold still long enough to let it. So if it is possible for offspring to come from such mating it will.

Juniper138

February 22nd, 2008, 04:11 PM

Having met some Fae in their own Realm, I am disinclined to believe in this one.

Sidhe-Ra

April 15th, 2008, 06:10 AM

In my own experience, there are few who have ancestry that goes waaaaaay back, and like any other genetic thing, it comes out a little stronger in some generations than others.

But the people I know who genuinely have this, tend not to go on about it so much :) There are far fewer genuine, or at least interest worthy cases of this than there are people who make the claim. That's just my perspective, anyway...

Blessings,

Em xx

Fireyone

April 15th, 2008, 07:30 AM

This is an interesting thread. In my opinion, we are multidimensional beings and through that we are connected to the faery as we are to star people, our own ancestors, and so much more... so many layers to reality. As far as our blood go the crystalline nature of it helps us tune in to other realms.

Isn't it funny that our own blood is rich in iron and that the elves and faery find iron repellent? There is one way our bloods would have to be incompatible, that is if the elves and faeries are made of flesh and blood. I haven't had the pleasure to meet one myseld but somoehow imagine them to be immaterial (to us).

LadyCelt

April 15th, 2008, 10:10 AM

In my opinion, I'm not sure if the concept of otherkin rally means actual blood so much as a person's soul or spirit and what it is composed of.

electricpeppers

April 16th, 2008, 05:21 PM

I think 'Otherkin' is an interesting idea, I'm not sure that I believe it though. Who knows!

Jeremy Westenn

April 16th, 2008, 07:04 PM

Again, NO.

You are not special. You are not magically different then any other normal person or a magical practitioner. You are not physically or otherwise related to magical beings. Your an ordinary human, GTFO.

This is one of those places where I draw the line. Your not half faery, no one is.

- Jeremy

Moonlight's Daughter

April 17th, 2008, 10:28 AM

Deinarious

April 19th, 2008, 12:03 AM

Now, I was going to say exactly what I think on this subject, but after reading a few posts, I've decided that all I'll say is this...

To each their own. Believe what you will, just know that there are many truths, yet many lies.

Stoirmeacha

April 19th, 2008, 12:25 AM

In my view of Faeries and Elves, I see them as spirits. Whether that of something in nature, or that of a creature that exists in the Otherworld, that might sometimes show up visibly in our world here and there.
But seeing as it is impossible to become impregnated by a spirit, I do not believe that one can have faery blood.

I am a tolerant person and believe everyone can believe what they want. But when someone says "I'm half faery", they have totally fallen off into the realm of fantasy. You can go on telling everyone you are, but the only one you are really lying to is yourself, because everyone else probably knows you are. Not to mention you might get the Faeries all irritated....

Stoirmeacha

April 19th, 2008, 12:30 AM

In my opinion, I'm not sure if the concept of otherkin rally means actual blood so much as a person's soul or spirit and what it is composed of.

It doesn't. It is just saying that they are entities that we may have contact with but (note the "other" part) dwell within the Otherworlds. Plus, they are thought to look humanoid, so people feel a connection to them. Like apes could be considered "kin" as well.

Stoirmeacha

April 19th, 2008, 12:36 AM

Isn't it funny that our own blood is rich in iron and that the elves and faery find iron repellent? There is one way our bloods would have to be incompatible, that is if the elves and faeries are made of flesh and blood. I haven't had the pleasure to meet one myseld but somoehow imagine them to be immaterial (to us).

I think that the idea of Faeries finding iron repellet is rooted in Ireland where it was believed that the sons of Mil or the Milesians conquered the land of Ireland from the Tuatha De Danann who became as Faeries later on in folklore. The Milesians were probably using iron weapons against the probably brass weapons of the Tuatha De Danann.
Then again, that is all in the Book of Invasions, and I think that it may be a Christian myth to make the Irish Gods conquerable and weak. ....whatevs.

Shawn Blackwolf

April 19th, 2008, 02:29 AM

Firstly :

This thread link has bearing , in the first five , or so pages ,
to this current threadline...however , it later veers off...

Perhaps some shall find it interesting...do note , I specifically
focus on astral imprinting , into mitochondria...a vehicle
for the transmission , as a possibility...do read up on old myths
and legends , as well cultural magical practices , specifically
vodoun , where shadow matter energies are contacted...

http://mysticwicks.com/showthread.php?t=163763&page=9

Now...per my Tradition , and the Number - Letter - Symbol
and meaning system , which is an intricate and interlinked
modality for understanding and mgieckal practice...

In our Faery Tongue Language :

Faery = 327

Iron = 327

Fire = 327

For that matter , Wife = 327 , Dragon = 328...

In the old understanding , similar values had a form of
resonance , be it harmonic or disharmonic ...linked...

IE : Faery + Iron = Disharmonic

Yet , Faery Fire , Faery Wife , Faery and Dragon...

Yet again...a dtfferent point of view , regarding Faery and Iron ,
as my student and friend , Fireyone , brought up...

Human hematin , is almost identical to the chlorophyll molecule ;
The only difference is a core atom of iron , rather than magnesium ;

Now , in our ancient mgieckal tradition , any food high in iron ,
yet of the plant family , for example , though not the only , would
be spinach...created a bridge , between realms , for a small duration
and if the diet leaned toward such items , while still balanced , or
for small duration , intensely , this would assist contact , and not
change the hematin molecule , at all...but buffer , and lessen the
interference , on an astral level...

This alignment between plant spirits , and Faery , and the link
to the chlorophyll molecule , and magnesium , may assist in a
deeper level of understanding regarding some beliefs...

Just sayin' , and food for thought here...check the link...:bigblue:

Terra Mater

April 19th, 2008, 03:02 AM

There I two parts to this.
:yayah:
Humans with fae genetic material? Nope, no way. Show me someone with threetone eyes naturally and a tangible and visible magical ability that they can demonstrate, and I will change my mind. I would, however, fight to the death anyone's right to not agree with me on that point.
:vanish:
We are not just the body, there is energy within us, and I do believe that there are those with fae energy tapped in an ape descended body. The spirit may not be strong enough to manifest with clarity.
:shift:
For me, the real question is whether the transition from energy to material existence is an improvement or not.
:yikess:

FaePrincessCynthia

November 29th, 2008, 04:47 PM

I honeslty dont know about being genetically linked to faeries or elves, but I do know people can have a connection with them. Personally I have a soul connection to one, but I have also known people who have had connections to "others" and not just fae and elf. At least one person I know says she is part succubus, and another friend claims Troll connections. Of course I have no way of proving if what they say is true or just wishful thinking, but at the same time I cant prove that to others about myself.

As for genetics I suppose it's possible. I mean we haven't totally unlocked what all our genes do. I think it's rather obvious that for most of us our human sides are at least physically dominant. I mean I've never sprouted wings and flown around (unfortunatly lol). I really don't know on this one.

RaheemsMusing

November 30th, 2008, 10:56 PM

Humans with fae genetic material? Nope, no way. Show me someone with threetone eyes naturally and a tangible and visible magical ability that they can demonstrate, and I will change my mind. I would, however, fight to the death anyone's right to not agree with me on that point.
:vanish:
We are not just the body, there is energy within us, and I do believe that there are those with fae energy tapped in an ape descended body. The spirit may not be strong enough to manifest with clarity.
:shift:

I'm with you on that. I certainly don't believe that humans can be genetically linked to fae. If someone can come up with some sort of evidence saying otherwise, power to you. This does strike me as the kind of thing which requires evidence, as we are speaking genetics here. However, spirit and/or soul and energy - that's something entirely different. In my mind, it is certainly not beyond the realm of possibility that humans are born with a fae spirit or soul or that people may be born with fae energies rather than human energies.

dulcamaria

March 22nd, 2011, 01:56 PM

Just a thought: How do we know about fae genetics when there isn't any on
'public record' eg: blood slide or tissue etc. to make a judgement call?
How many geneticists would get laughed out of their communities for posting a paper that reads ' Elf genetics confirmed '
Like I said just a thought. :idea2:

~Runa~

March 23rd, 2011, 05:44 AM

Æon Flux

March 23rd, 2011, 05:52 AM

I'm interested to know what elf blood and faery blood is.

Theoretically they could have been specific tribes of humans who differed from the rest of the population in the general area which they shared... just an idea which I have held for quite some time. And as such elf blood and faery blood would be genetics passed down from those tribes. But then again, I'm not an anthropologist, historian or any of the sort... so... my guess is as good as anyones.

Then you have the mythical people of the Norse and Celtic mythologies who sometimes would have relations with humans. Such as the light and dark elves of Norse mythology, unless I am mistaken, which... again... I could be... and as such it would be some particular physical differences and magical abilities. (Which I don't believe for one minute)

dulcamaria

March 23rd, 2011, 03:50 PM

I'm interested to know what elf blood and faery blood is.
So am I.:) My feet on the path of knowledge have been placed just recently on the subject and I am still being a detective.
I have been doing some research although its been kind of a challenge, and controversial, which makes it difficult to do the research.:ack:
Many people hold the thought that the fea are nothing more than legend, players in Myth.
Then there are folks who feel otherwise, claiming on going clan relationships with that world not on a metaphysical level but a physical plane level.
I love reading about it all and keep a very open mind, hence my previous comment.
As to what blood is, so far what I've found is it is a term used to define:
a) an astral or ethereal link as in magical and energy workings.
b) an actual present day world genetic link, metephorically described in myth and story world wide.
c) a descripter for magic one may have specified to these figures in myth. As well as, an ongoing relationship with them while they exist in thier plane.
So I guess depending on how a person feels about it is huge on the end result.
All I know it's been great fun pursuing this topic, seeing where it breaks off into D and D inspiration, and where they got their info has lead me on a magical mystery tour!
If you have the skinny on good elf lore lay it on me!:reading:

~Runa~

March 24th, 2011, 10:41 AM

Okay, I was interested to know for two basic reasons. There are mythical beings called elves and fae (who's images have altered over the centuries from its original versions) and the linguistic type, referring to actual people.

There is a book and sorry but I don't remember this book or who the author is (not very clever is it, lol) but it wasn't fictional. I read it a long time ago. The author was touching on the myth of fae and elves coming from an ancient meaning about certain families. These families might've been ancient aristocratic or belonging to a certain tradition. The author mentioned the links between the King Arthur legends, Morgan le Fay his sister, Vlad the Impaler and other royal houses. I don't know the truth in this but Queen Elizabeth the First of England was considered the "fairy queen".

I think this topic is enormous and could do with a lot of research anyway. I don't know if anyone can get at the reality or if it's interwoven too much with myth.

sunnydawn

March 24th, 2011, 12:00 PM

How far back do our genes go??? We have no idea what is in our blood lets say... 10,000 years ago. And what is wrong with an open mind? A mind can never be too open to an idea I say. Having a very open mind does not neccesarily mean your naive, it means you are able to think about something without absolute bias.

OH I KNEW IT I WAS JUST WAITING FOR SOMEONE TO SAY IT!:) I think I have elven blood because I want to more special, well hopley doo Myst how did you EEEVVVEEERRR figure out my secret????????????? How did you know that I only wanted to be more special then others???? Seriously, special or not. We are all unqiue, why not explore different aspects of what can be??? It is not good to discount ideas of our ancient ancestors and say it is biologically ISN'T possible, and if I should do so. Well damn there goes my religion! LOL:D

IMHO of course:)

I agree. I personally believe humans are not even originated on this earth and that alot of our folk lore is derived and inspired from another planet or realm on another plain.

sparrowspirit

March 24th, 2011, 03:10 PM

I'm more interested in who revived a DEAD topic from YEARS ago. lolz.

dulcamaria

March 24th, 2011, 03:12 PM

I'm more interested in who revived a DEAD topic from YEARS ago. lolz.
Twas me.:bigredgri
I also like to root around in attics for cool stuff.:hyper:

Gaudior

March 24th, 2011, 04:34 PM

Apsaras are cooler.

*exits thread*

sparrowspirit

March 25th, 2011, 08:29 AM

Twas me.:bigredgri
I also like to root around in attics for cool stuff.:hyper:

well then, have a cookie.
I think old threads are more for viewing.

I don't personally believe in faerie/elven blood, I feel like that ties into the whole otherkin thing.

just my thoughts.
-Krissa

C. Iulia Regilia

March 27th, 2011, 04:20 AM

Most stories I've read about men with otherworldly ancestory is that the founders of cities or peoples tend to be children of either nymphs or gods. It wasn't very common, and while the person usually went on to do big things, It was also a hard life.

memnoch

March 31st, 2011, 01:29 AM

Æon Flux

March 31st, 2011, 01:35 AM

Wow, tonight seems to be the night I've noticed a return of the ridiculously outragous beliefs. This was a topic for another time when we had people that believed ridiculous things...I hope we are not headed back to that.

I wouldn't be surprised. The line between "spirituality" and insanity can sometimes be extremely thin.

Garm

March 31st, 2011, 11:25 AM

Wow, tonight seems to be the night I've noticed a return of the ridiculously outragous beliefs. This was a topic for another time when we had people that believed ridiculous things...I hope we are not headed back to that.

Yeah and after all the hard work people have thrown in to putting a damper on such lines of speculation

The thought police are just going to have to work a little harder I suppose

memnoch

March 31st, 2011, 01:39 PM

Yeah and after all the hard work people have thrown in to putting a damper on such lines of speculation

The thought police are just going to have to work a little harder I suppose

It isn't speculation any more than wondering if I'm the love child of the Easter Bunny and Tooth Fairy...it is an overactive imagination mixed with a lack of comprehension of reality.

Garm

April 2nd, 2011, 12:30 PM

It isn't speculation any more than wondering if I'm the love child of the Easter Bunny and Tooth Fairy...it is an overactive imagination mixed with a lack of comprehension of reality.

spec·u·la·tion (spky-lshn)
n.
1.
a. Contemplation or consideration of a subject; meditation.
b. A conclusion, opinion, or theory reached by conjecture.
c. Reasoning based on inconclusive evidence; conjecture or supposition.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/speculation

I never really trusted reality all that much anyways

Ratha

April 2nd, 2011, 09:13 PM

I swear to you all, a good friend of mine has fey blood in here. The first time I ever met her she was very enchanting. Shes an actress and a singer and has gotten very good jobs in LA because of it. She is pretty, but not like those Mean girls you see in high school or even the models in New York and Paris. Its this beauty, an unnatural beauty she has and her eyes are the most amazing things you could stare into. She has fey around her most of the time when she is in the mountains around here (the Great Smokey Mountains has soooooo much in them, its kinda crazy). I bow to her myself and call her my Faerie Queen.

I can connect with fey, but have no blood with them. I'm just a little helper and they keep me safe in the woods. I've never had a prank put onto me by the fey folk...unlike my good friends and beloved...

Umbress

April 26th, 2011, 03:12 AM

It isn't speculation any more than wondering if I'm the love child of the Easter Bunny and Tooth Fairy...it is an overactive imagination mixed with a lack of comprehension of reality.

Comprehension of whose reality? Yours?

I simply can't hep but love the irony of folks who believe they have cornered the market on the one and only real reality which by the way are often the very same people who accuse others of believing ridiculous things.

Nothing is so ludicrous than to believe I can comprehend any ones reality other than my own.

If some one on the internet wants to believe they have fae blood who am I to tell them other wise - All sorts of people believe in magic, gods and goddesses and Astral projection and some how thinking one is an other kin or posses fae blood is out of place? - LMAO - yep irony at it's finest.

I do not think any thing is more incomprehensible than the folks who believe in nothing at all!

Æon Flux

April 26th, 2011, 03:59 AM

Comprehension of whose reality? Yours?

I simply can't hep but love the irony of folks who believe they have cornered the market on the one and only real reality which by the way are often the very same people who accuse others of believing ridiculous things.

Nothing is so ludicrous than to believe I can comprehend any ones reality other than my own.

If some one on the internet wants to believe they have fae blood who am I to tell them other wise - All sorts of people believe in magic, gods and goddesses and Astral projection and some how thinking one is an other kin or posses fae blood is out of place? - LMAO - yep irony at it's finest.

I do not think any thing is more incomprehensible than the folks who believe in nothing at all!

Individual realities are not the same as reality. An individual reality can be the product of a psychological or physiological dysfunction.

Reality, as in what is real, is things that exist regardless of your own existence. Your individual reality is not something that exists independently from you, it is dependent on your mind and can, therefore, not be described as a part of reality in actuality.

There is nothing incomprehensible in people without faith when talking about reality. They're simply the individuals who trusts that if things are real they are independent of our own existence. The sun is there, and if I was gone tomorrow, it still would be. The earth would still continue moving and my cat would still walk around, meowing for food. My husband would still sit at his computer, the computer would still be there, and so would the internet.
Your individual reality is dependent on your existence, it dies with you, disappears. People around you wouldn't know about it if you never existed.

Reality /= your own little world
Reality = things that exists independent of your own existence

Or do you, perhaps, have another definition of the word reality?

Real reality would therefor be what really does exist independently of you, and the reality you create in your mind where people can turn into wolves or are descendants of mythological creatures is not real reality.
Real reality is the computer I type on, the sofa I am sitting in, the glass on the table, the table, the atoms and molecules that make up all these things...

~Runa~

April 26th, 2011, 04:43 AM

Wow, tonight seems to be the night I've noticed a return of the ridiculously outragous beliefs.

This doesn't seem at all fair. Many people look at subjects in their own way, it doesn't mean it's wrong.

I swear to you all, a good friend of mine has fey blood in here. The first time I ever met her she was very enchanting. Shes an actress and a singer and has gotten very good jobs in LA because of it. She is pretty, but not like those Mean girls you see in high school or even the models in New York and Paris. Its this beauty, an unnatural beauty she has and her eyes are the most amazing things you could stare into. She has fey around her most of the time when she is in the mountains around here (the Great Smokey Mountains has soooooo much in them, its kinda crazy). I bow to her myself and call her my Faerie Queen.

I can connect with fey, but have no blood with them. I'm just a little helper and they keep me safe in the woods. I've never had a prank put onto me by the fey folk...unlike my good friends and beloved...

It sounds like your friend has an inner beauty as well as an energy that you're able to pick up. I too have a connection with nature and sometimes view them as spirits of nature, or elementals :) I often daydream and it's inspiring to get out there in the forest, by streams and look up at the starlight.

People can interprate the magic and wonders of life in different ways. I think some like calling it Fae. Other people may look upon the Fae as a distortion of myths coming from reality where people were given titles. A book I have somewhere (I'll find it and mention it here) suggests that the winged fae is only recent. The legends of fae beings are from older myths of something forgotten. I don't believe in dismissing the fae.

Garm

April 26th, 2011, 06:20 AM

Real reality would therefor be what really does exist independently of you

The last I saw of him he was wondering around Heisenberg looking really confused

Herumetem

May 14th, 2011, 05:58 PM

I don't believe in faeries at all, let alone as physical beings with genetic material, so I can't say it seems in any way possible.

EDIT:

It's actually funny that I so strongly disbelieve in the possibility since the Irish side of my family can trace their lineage back to mythical kings...I do so love irony.

Raven_Rin

May 14th, 2011, 08:32 PM

I'm not going to vote either way but I'm just going to throw a couple of thoughts out there. Our genetic make-up can go back as far as six generations but no farther, at least that's what I was taught in college. So for someone to have fae blood now the full blooded fae would have had to have been in the last six generations of their family. Even if you go by the theory that fae once inhabited this world and then moved to another realm that would have been well before the six generation mark of anyone living today.
There is another theory though...I've heard it proposed that what we know as fae from the legends were really just humans of different races that passed through the British Isles. One thought was that some of the fae/elven disctiptions fit that of the Huns who it is believed did visit the Isles but did not stay there. If you subscribe to this theory and your ethnic background within the last six generations belongs to one of these races then if they were the "fae" you by extension would be "fae."
Something to ponder.
As for the changeling theory...everything I've ever read on the subject said that the changeling always died. That was the whole point of the fae stealing the human baby and replacing it with the sick fae because they knew it wouldn't survive.

ObsidianShenKa

May 17th, 2011, 11:11 PM

I'm just gonna point out that this topic is over TEN YEARS OLD and that's totally awesome.

MadameBlack

April 26th, 2012, 11:12 AM

yes, and I'm bringing it back up.....

I cant seem to find anything online about this lately so I figured I would ask here. I'm a skeptic, and especially on the realms of fantasy creatures. I honestly dont believe fairies exist more than I do a unicorn or a cyclops... they're mythical creatures that have never existed. However, I have been meeting with a pagan based educational group lately that apparently does believe in fairies (though I cant tell to what extent) and says that I am a moon fairy. Naturally, I'm curious, extremely doubtful and a little amused. I've read some of the thread, but certainly not all of it, and so it may have already been answered, but what the heck is a fairy? I mean, scientifically speaking, what would they be, how do you explain their existence?

I'm a very strong believer in ghosts, mostly because I think its been well documented that there is something beyond our complete understanding that can affect human life and manifests itself in various ways and has been proven that it can be the spirit or essence of a once living human, to the extent that you can at times know exactly who it was. Therefore... scientifically, or the very least logically... what is a fairy? If a ghost is the spirit of a once living human, than what is a fairy? If I feel like there is a logical explanation behind something, I'm far more likely to believe in it and I havent yet gotten any sort of explanation and I dont want to just assume its something you have to put your faith in. I'll always need some form of proof.

When I asked the group I attend what it means to be Fae they explained that my being a moon fairy has a lot to do with my facial features, personality and behavior. I cant tell if they're actually telling me I have a little of another race in me, or if the characteristics put me in a category to be called Fae. There are other girls they describe as VERY Fae and they're generally hyper, sugar addicted, and have boisterous personalities... so I can see what they're saying, to a point. I do currently have blue hair. But still. I understand that they may have a different belief than others and they very well may not believe in fairies as existing separately from humans but I would like the community's thoughts on this.

And then... what is a moon fairy?

I hope someone can help me work this out.........