faerie/elven blood in humans?

[Sequoia]

Ok, I've something funny to ask.

I've heard people talking about how they think such and such has faerie or elven blood in them, for various reasons. Often things like heightened senses, slightly pointy (or sometimes very pointy ^^; ) ears, tiny feet, big big eyes, things like that. Or things that aren't physically manifested at all.

My ears seem to have a delicate almost-pointy ness to them. They don't come to any sort of sharp point, but they sweep up a bit (kinda like gracefully trying to get to a point, but deciding to round in the end.) I've seen some people who have a destinctive point to their ears.

Do we have faerie/elven blood? hehe Do you think it's even possible?

~Puma

[MistOfTheSea86]

That HUmans can Have Faery Blood and Elven Blood, but the manifestations may be limited to small details either spiritually or physically. I feel that I very well may have some elven or some other type of ye olden creature flowing in my veins. It has always been there. Like my petite feet:D Although... My accuracy SUCKS!!!!!! And I can't shoot a Bow and Arrow worth crap, but give me any Music Instrument and I will get it in a flash, thats my gift, Music:) Dont know if thats Elven or not.

I personally feel that many pagans could have been Elven or maybe thats just wishful thinking. It does seem that we are wiser many times and the less ignorant and I am the only one who sometimes feels that slight superiority. That SOUNDS SO EGOCENTRIC, believe me I dont want it to. But It is so weird sometimes how it just pops up! And also Unbelievable how well... DUMB people can be in situations... But then again I am usually one of the dumb people.:D:D:D I dont know, I will just stop rambling now.

[willowfairy]

Yes, I believe that it's possible. You see people that act or look like they have something else in them.

[MammaStar]

I voted not sure. Only because I'm not sure how or if it would manifest itself in Humans. I agree with you Mist, I think lots of us Pagans may have a drop or 2 running through our veins. Could explain a lot about some of us with visions & such.

I'd like to believe that I have some in me. Though all the characteristics, well, I don't really fit the description. I'm kinda loud & brassy most times. Though I do have big brown eyes. :rolleyes: I can shoot a bow & arrow, or at least I used to be able too, haven't done it in quite a while. Forget musical instruments or singing, can't play or sing a lick, though I do enjoy all kinds of music. Which explains why Mol allowed me to be a co-mod in Music. ;)

As they say in Peter Pan, ya gotta believe! :elf:

[Myst]

Being as I believe faerie folk exist on a different plane then ours, no. Also, a simple biology class will show you you don't get blood from non relatives except in the case of transfusions. A lot of people want to label some uniqueness about them as attributed to fantastic things. In reality if it's anything but normal behaviour (which it usually is) it could be attributed to something as simple as a past life coming forward in a way or totems or spirit guides that make themself known in small ways. Sure have an open mind, but not so open your brains fall out.

That's my 2 cents.

[MistOfTheSea86]

How far back do our genes go??? We have no idea what is in our blood lets say... 10,000 years ago. And what is wrong with an open mind? A mind can never be too open to an idea I say. Having a very open mind does not neccesarily mean your naive, it means you are able to think about something without absolute bias.

OH I KNEW IT I WAS JUST WAITING FOR SOMEONE TO SAY IT!:) I think I have elven blood because I want to more special, well hopley doo Myst how did you EEEVVVEEERRR figure out my secret????????????? How did you know that I only wanted to be more special then others???? Seriously, special or not. We are all unqiue, why not explore different aspects of what can be??? It is not good to discount ideas of our ancient ancestors and say it is biologically ISN'T possible, and if I should do so. Well damn there goes my religion! LOL:D

IMHO of course:)

[Danustouch]

Okay...well...if Myst isn't allowed to state that she doesn't think it's possible to have elven blood..then why post it as a question? Myst is allowed to have her opinion that it is NOT possible.

I happen to agree with her theory. I mean...generally speaking, How likely do you think it is, that your biological traits, such as a pointy ear, or one of those things, means that you are descended from an elf or faery? By that logic, you could just as easily be descended from a Vulcan (of Star Trek fame). Oh...but Star Trek is Fictional. Well..there is a very thin line between mythology, and fiction. One mans fiction, is another mans mythology.

And for the record, I DO think that faeries exist. But, in all likelihood, such beings are manifestations of another plain of existence. Places, and times, when the veils are thin, allow us to see such creatures, if we are lucky. But...imagine how incredibly differen't the DNA patterns are? To me, it would be akin to saying you are descended from a goat, because you happen to be hairy. Now..this doesn't mean that you couldn't have had a past life, as a faery, or an elf, or some other mythological being. Because I do believe that we can have past lives , as members of life in other plains of existence. So..her theory that perhaps the traits that you recognize as being elven, or fae, could be left over from a past life experience.

For the record, I happen to know in Ireland, that some people DO consider themselves descended from the Tuatha De Danaan, or in many cases, the Fae. But...usually, it is not so much because a faery impregnated a human, but rather, that a faery traded a baby of theirs (usually sickly, small, or ill tempered), with a Human baby (healthy, good sized, and good tempered). These babies are called "Changelings". So..of course these faery children, were raised as humans, and led human lives, and so would have probably bred in a human manner. So...while I don't completely rule OUT the possibility that people can be descended from these sort of creatures, these changelings, I'd say that the number of people who think they are, or share the genetic trait of a pointy ear, or are good with a bow and arrow, versus the people who could have been genetically tied to the Fae, specifically of the Brittish Isles, is quite improportionate. And even if someone WAS descended from such a creature, the blood would have been so diluted by now, that little genetic similarity would be present. Generally, In Ireland today, not too many people believe in changelings. It was one of those old beliefs, to explain the inexplaineable. Your baby was healthy at birth, but started to have an allergic reaction to the milk, and lose weight dramatically. Well...who even knew much about allergies in those days? And who could figure out an explanation for why some children suffered them, and some didn't. Blame it on the Fae....that sort of thing.

So..I guess, for the most part..NO..i don't believe it is probable, I suppose that all things are possible, all things under the sun. But..for such a highly improbable thing, I wouldn't spend too much time wondering about it.

And for the record, I've met a lot of people in chatrooms and the like, who claim to have elven or faery blood. And what tends to annoy me about *MOST* of them (and I'll admit, not all), is that many of them do claim to have powers above what "Mere Mortals" have. Extraordinary powers. For instance, they tend to believe themselves to be more magickal, or more intuitive, etc. It annoys me, because in my opinion, ALL human beings have psychic and magickal potential. Magick, and intuition is not given to just some people who have a genetic pattern for it. Intuition is something that all humans have, it's simply a matter of getting in touch with it, and allowing yourself to be open to it. And magick isn't just some genetic dna molecule that some people have, and some don't. It's a learned skill, a learned practice, and ones' magickal ability, imo is completely dependent on three factors 1)how open one is to it's power, 2)the effort, and will of the person involved to accomplish what they seek to accomplish, and 3) their willingness to learn, and never stop learning.

[Sequoia]

hehe danu, you don't always have to defend Myst. She's quite intelligent, and states her points well. ^^; besides, MistOfTheSea wasn't attacking her. At least, not that I could tell. I think the :) and :D were supposed to indicate light-hearted-ness. . . 8O hehe

hmmm. . . I'd never heard of the fae trading babies! how interesting o.o;;; kinda kooky. But yeah, chances are it'd be diluted by now. However. . . just to lean on the side of the maybies. . . perhaps those babies who were allerigic to milk were the traded babies, and therefore allergic to human milk? ^^;; hehe sorry, couldn't resist.

BTW, what's wrong with having an overly-open mind? Mine falls out quite often, that's why it's always in the gutter. ;)

[Myst]

What Danustouch said *nods* :)

[Flaire-FireStar]

hehe... My ears are kinda pointy... :) But I'm not entirely sure about this (I'm no expert)... :D It might explain my ears though.. ;)

[Psyche Ague]

Um, I don't really believe in faeries or elves...though I'd like to...I know, I know...one just died, but I'm honestly not too concerned. ;)

Heh, I'm just joking around. But I honestly don't believe.

...But I DO have pointy ears...

[Myst]

Oh no! You hater, you hate your own kind! Pointy ears and yet you don't believe in them! *gasp*

[Sequoia]

LOL!! :D naughty Auge!

[Psyche Ague]

Well, I may have the pointy ears, but my feet are huge!!!

[Flaire-FireStar]

:lol: Watch out for the pointy-eared-people... :D

[Myst]

*snicker* :rotfl:

[MistOfTheSea86]

What happened? Who said Myst wasn't allowed to put anything? I never said that I simply stated what my opinion in was context to the original question and to what Myst said, I knew that people would be mature enough to look at it as so, but I guess I was mistaken. I had no negative intent and I believe that you BOTH have very interesting and factual ideas about it. I may believe in something condradictory but that doesn't mean that I am right, but it doesn't mean that your right either. I looked at the post and thought "hmmm" YOu know I don't agree with this, and stated why. I am sorry if you found something rude in there, it was sarcasm not meant to be an attack.


To clarify some things, Yes I do believe that the blood and DNA by now would be totally Dissapated, but then I look at the elves, were they not immortal? So why couldn't their genes live on forever in some of us. Does that mean we all have to have pointy ears or great accuracy? No, that could very well be a past life why not? All I am saying is not to discount the fact that it is possible and something could, proabably not, but could be some type of elvish attribute passed on. LOL hey why not about the vulcan's??? Whatever floats your boat I say. Who I am to say your wrong, I can only state what I believe.

OH I KNOW WHAT YOU MEAN DANUS!!! I think that is the people that Myst was talking about, the "I'm Unique so I must find a reason why I am better then everybody else people" GRRR... Those people really irk me! They clearly have some deeper issues... But then again, they just may have this power they say they have. You can never be completely sure when it comes to the spirit and what it decides to give it's body.

I have been thinking more about this alternate reality thing that Elves and Faeries dwell in and find that it is highly probable, I mean why not? My SG is a Dragon and he doesn't live on this plane. My theory is that Elves and Faeries at one point did exist here and they saw that the world of man was getting corrupted and disbelieving. So they decided to leave, where to, I have no idea. Another plane of Conciousness? The Summerplains, Mars??? lol. The fact is I won't discount anyones beliefs no matter how ridicoulous it sounds unless it will endanger them, and if it is so I will confront them about it. But I will never and WOULD NEVER tell someone that they were wrong in believing something. Because the truth is... No one knows what is right. It is what you believe and you stick with that,

[Myst]

Let's not all get our panties in a knot. :D

[seawitch]

some days i'm positive my child is a changeling:razz:

[SnowStar]

This one friend of mine - I sort of wish I had a good picture of her so I could show you exactly what I mean - she's got to have some elven or faerie blood somewhere in her line somehow. I mean, she just plain looks different from the rest of us, its VERY subtle, yet quite apparent if you know what you're looking for. For starters her ears come to a point in a very natural way and the way her ear is structured with the turns and coils, I guess you might call them, is completely different. Her feet are a bit on the small side...not tiny, but a little smaller than average I'd wager, and she seems to have a subconscious affinity for pointy shoes. Actually, that probably has nothing to do with it, but we joke about it anyway. She's got a face that one could almost describe as cherubic, but there's just a glint of mischeviousness in her eyes and her smile. She's nice to everyone, but if she doesn't really like them then she does have a bit of a spiteful streak. She's also very musically and artistically talented. She's not physically coordinated too well otherwise, but what she's good at she's REALLY good at. I suppose you might have to know her to see and understand exactly what I mean, but I'm convinced that she's probably part faerie. Its also interesting to note that she's got a fascination with faeries and the like and she can draw and paint them incredibly well, however until I had mentioned to her that she looked elven or fae she'd never even really thought about it. In fact at first she took it as I was being my usual silly self and laughed, until someone else agreed with me. Then she realised I was serious.

[Sequoia]

Originally posted by MistOfTheSea86
I have been thinking more about this alternate reality thing that Elves and Faeries dwell in and find that it is highly probable, I mean why not? My SG is a Dragon and he doesn't live on this plane. My theory is that Elves and Faeries at one point did exist here and they saw that the world of man was getting corrupted and disbelieving. So they decided to leave, where to, I have no idea. Another plane of Conciousness? The Summerplains, Mars??? lol. The fact is I won't discount anyones beliefs no matter how ridicoulous it sounds unless it will endanger them, and if it is so I will confront them about it. But I will never and WOULD NEVER tell someone that they were wrong in believing something. Because the truth is... No one knows what is right. It is what you believe and you stick with that,

YES! :) you tell 'em! ;)

[lucidfire]

I think yes, and they can manifest whichever way. Every plane is connected; the spirit isn't this elitist inner circle that you have to "buy into" (I wonder where that belief came from..). The Celts were big on worshipping their ancestors, and I think Elves may have something to do with that, perhaps evolution through magick or something of the like. I try not to make very many assumptions about this though; anything is possible.

I think Elves have to do with the Tuatha De Dannan, and I think faeries have to do with the very fabric of what we call "reality," sort of like angels (the imagery is similar), hence the term Changeling. I have pondered whether the concept of a Changeling can be compared with the legends of Jesus and such, in the sense of a divine union, above and below; intended to unify in some sense. That's all just guesswork though, please understand. I like to play with ideas :D

I think dreams are astral in nature; I think faeries are as well. I would propose what the Aboriginals believe to the extent that reality is formed in the Astral and THEN in the physical, and that dreams are a doorway to choosing which reality we live though. This is where they believe dejavu comes from, among many other things.

I'll say somethign else too, I was always the most logical guy you would think of, so for me to move in this direction, is not something I did lightly. It's not something I just decided, it's something that found me, which is why I know yet understand so little (contradicting, eh?) :apirate: :rotfl:

[Myst]

Originally posted by MistOfTheSea86
The fact is I won't discount anyones beliefs no matter how ridicoulous it sounds unless it will endanger them, and if it is so I will confront them about it. But I will never and WOULD NEVER tell someone that they were wrong in believing something. Because the truth is... No one knows what is right. It is what you believe and you stick with that,

I would and do, especially when they ask what people think in an open public forum for open discussion and sharing of opinions. :rotfl:

[MistOfTheSea86]

lol *nods*

[Sephiroth]

i personaly believe that humans can have any type of background weather it be fairie/elven/vampiric/ect...

it just depends on natures course of action.

if u would see me in the middle of the night walking around and i smile u would think that im a vampire i have 2 fangs in my mouth that are NATURE and their 3/4s of an inch long they out grew all other teeth.

[LilydePlume]

going as far back as we know existence on this planet ....so if "elves and faeries" are mythic ancestral beings, as is usually thought to be the case in most cycles of mythology, then probably many of us do indeed have such "blood".
The existence of other dimensions, however, remains in the realms of science fiction fantasy and comic books, as far as we know. So by choosing to believe that these other dimensions exist, one could certainly make a case for the existence of beings there , or any other fantastic and ridiculous assertion that would accompany the belief of "other" dimensions.

Back here on earth , in the dimension in which we live; however; there does exist in our DNA, genes for dwarfism and midgets ( who did you think those people WERE in the Wizard of OZ?),and many of them have formed societies and organisations. These very real types of little people are not new to humanity,and might indeed be part of the basis for the beliefs in other races, in antiquity.
Some of the names of my own ancestors mean "good little people" and there are ancestral names that are connected to people with "the sight" or other abilities ascribed to this most ancient race of being. I believe much of the mytholgy and abilities ascribed to the fae are humanly possible, and of human origin, which would mean that the fae and the human are related , in many ways , and leaves the door open for explorations of all kinds .
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[willowfairy]

You guys make stuff so complicated!! :p

[Myst]

Originally posted by willowfairy
You guys make stuff so complicated!! :p

That's actually what I was just thinking *snort*

[amberlaine]

Heh, I also voted, "Dont be ridiculous" *giggle* Am I allowed to say that?

Ok, seriously, I don't think its ridiculous, but I don't htink its possible either. I'm not sure I believe in faeries or elves per se , so I definitely don't think humans can have "fae blood" in them.

[Myst]

Originally posted by amberlaine
Heh, I also voted, "Dont be ridiculous" *giggle* Am I allowed to say that?

Nope. You can only let people believe what they want and not tell them what you think. btw I want to believe I look like Jessica Simpson now, got that?

[AradiaSupernova]

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if u would see me in the middle of the night walking around and i smile u would think that im a vampire i have 2 fangs in my mouth that are NATURE and their 3/4s of an inch long they out grew all other teeth.




I have them too. My sister freaks when I smile at her..though I wouldn't go as far as to say that I have vampiric background :)

[amberlaine]

Originally posted by Myst


Nope. You can only let people believe what they want and not tell them what you think. btw I want to believe I look like Jessica Simpson now, got that?

Ahh shit. I thought we finally got rid of that rule.

In that case, I think faeries rule!

[Myst]

:rotfl:

[Twig]

And he runs back into his cave.

:elf:

[LilydePlume]

are beliefs that are found in every culture of humanity.
Among them are found :
Age grading
Division of labour
Property rights
Family / kinship groups
Status differences
Body adornment
Courtship
Music and dance
Incest taboos (almost every culture depending on who is considered family )
Cleanliness training
Cooking
Personal names
Language
Gestures
Magic
Spirit beings
luck superstitions
Hospitality
Greetings
Joking

Under magic comes the universal belief in creatures that in every culture fit the descriptions of fairies , or other beings who perform the functions of fairies. The concept of mythical and fantastic beings are thought in psychological circles to be necessary to the deveopment of abstract thinking and maturation of the brain. THE USES OF ENCHANTMENT by BRUNO BETTELHEIM , is the crowning work in his series on development of children ; which began with LOVE IS NOT ENOUGH, a groundbreaking work on abused children.
The reality of those beings is not questioned by shamans and priestesses of ancient times as real helpers and haunters of humankind, but their interaction with those beings is thought to be an integral part of thier practice, and working.
The spirit beings are ( in some cultures) believed to be the spirits of future born children hovering and waiting for a mother to open her womb to their life force. Many many of the myths and legends ( including the christian one) involve the mating of a human with a spirit being to produce a human with extraordinary ability. The defintion of "blood" might well indeed include spirit blood, and I dont by any means discount the knoweldge of my human ancestors as foolish or silly .
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[MistOfTheSea86]

Originally posted by Myst


Nope. You can only let people believe what they want and not tell them what you think. btw I want to believe I look like Jessica Simpson now, got that?


??? Okay whatever you say Myst. :)

[Myst]

Hm. It's possible, just like everything is, and yet that doesn't LOOK like Jessica Simpson staring back at me in the mirror. Strange huh.

[amberlaine]

who the hell is jessica simpson?

[Danustouch]

Wow..do I hear an echo?

Myst..do you hear an echo?

I really thought I heard an echo...

Funny..eh?

[Flaire-FireStar]

Originally posted by amberlaine
who the hell is jessica simpson?

She's a singer... (One of those Britney look-alikes (almost))

[lucidfire]

to take on the issue of dna and such, elves were never really small creatures; the tales of them make them out to be much taller than regular humans actually, not dwarfs or anything like that.

besides that, as far as dimensions go, what about our three dimensional existence? Furthermore, the fourth dimension, time, which is recognized in modern physics. That's more the direction I'm going, not so mystical or anything, or at least not in my own mind.

..as far as sharing opinions, I think there's a difference between asking somebody's opinion and asking what they think. It's not like there's many posts saying "Ok now who disagrees with me?!" They're obviously looking to network with others of like minds; oh I know, how dare people try to connect, for shame for shame (attempting to be sarcastic) :elf:

[Myst]

*insert hysterical laughter here*

[amberlaine]

..as far as sharing opinions, I think there's a difference between asking somebody's opinion and asking what they think. It's not like there's many posts saying "Ok now who disagrees with me?!" They're obviously looking to network with others of like minds

<Speak n Spell computer voice> Bzzt! That is incorrect! The correct spelling of "discussion" is...

ARe you kidding me? First of all, asking for an opinion and asking someone what they think...yes, that's the same thing. And YES, discussion is for BOTH sides of the matter! Anybody who posts and just wants to hear from those who agree with them need to be posting in support group forums, not MW. Everytime anyone posts something even marginally controversial (and that pretty much means anything having to do with religion) they are in essence saying, "who disagrees with me?" THat's the whole point of discussion. To be disagreed with, to hear new ideas, and to form new opinions.

And just to make my point...

Ok, WHO DISAGREES WITH ME?!

[Myst]

See, you put that much more eloquently then I would have.

I could post a few dictionary definitions of discussions too, but I'm sure all of us know how to do that themselves :)

[MistOfTheSea86]

Originally posted by Myst
Hm. It's possible, just like everything is, and yet that doesn't LOOK like Jessica Simpson staring back at me in the mirror. Strange huh.

Goofball

[Lavender]

Originally posted by amberlaine


<Speak n Spell computer voice> Bzzt! That is incorrect! The correct spelling of "discussion" is...

ARe you kidding me? First of all, asking for an opinion and asking someone what they think...yes, that's the same thing. And YES, discussion is for BOTH sides of the matter! Anybody who posts and just wants to hear from those who agree with them need to be posting in support group forums, not MW. Everytime anyone posts something even marginally controversial (and that pretty much means anything having to do with religion) they are in essence saying, "who disagrees with me?" THat's the whole point of discussion. To be disagreed with, to hear new ideas, and to form new opinions.

And just to make my point...

Ok, WHO DISAGREES WITH ME?!

Sorry, Amber, I completely agree with your statement! :D

[Myst]

Originally posted by Wildchild


Sorry, Amber, I completely agree with your statement! :D

And I agree with you!

Wait... that kind of talk looks familiar.... ;)

[MistOfTheSea86]

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[Pagecrd]

do i sense a little tension here?





and btw i dont see anything that says more smilies.......was that sarcasm?

[lucidfire]

ok, you missed the bulk of what I was trying to say
too bad :apirate:

there is a difference between a discussion and a debate though. You can quote all you'd like; it doesn't say much about yourself

[Vinga]

Oh.. Elves... I thought you said Elvis ...8O

[lucidfire]

to get back on topic here, what I was getting at is that if there's faery/elven blood in humans, how exactly could it manifest in a world as concrete as the one we're grounded in? What would it mean to be faery or elven? Could it maybe just be a way of referring to cultures that were able to somehow comunicate with them through some form of 'high magick' (meaning the extension of magick into shamanism)??

(many typos; use your imagination)

[lucidfire]

Originally posted by Vinga
Oh.. Elves... I thought you said Elvis ...8O

:T <laugh>

[LilydePlume]

Siddis,(close to Siddhes isnt it) or gifts of the gods, but I think any relation to the "Gentry" would include an affinity for their companny, among other gifts they bestow.
Why dont you read some Francesca De Grandis's 3rd Road information. She has been around for many years , and is a well respected pagan author and teacher of the Third Road or the Faery path, and the Faery tradition is a much honored and widely respected Wiccan Tradition.
Skill in crafts, the sight ; many many things
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[Sequoia]

hmm, well in a world as concrete as ours, how could ANY magick manifest itself? Can you tell me why?


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. . . . because we belive. DAGNABBIT we're clapping our hands for tinkerbell!! ^^; Honestly, though. If you belive something's possible, that gives it the OK for it to be true. It may NOT be true, but it give it the chance to exist. I mean. . . Christopher Columbus didn't really discover the Americas first. But so many people held open the possibility, that they found it to be true. And so many people belived he was the first, they DIDN'T open the possibility for anyone else. . . hence anything else WASN'T true. . .

if that makes sense to anyone. . .

[LilydePlume]

the total LACK of any Fairie faerie or fey "blood' or spirit , or connection with the fae , manifests itself as the lack of belief

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[Myst]

"how exactly could it manifest in a world as concrete as the one we're grounded in?"

The entire world isn't concrete. Whether faeries exist is not concrete. A lot of people don't think so, there's no scientific proof, and yet I see them so I have personal proof that they do.

But then scientifically you don't get blood from anyone who isn't a relative, except in the case of blood transfusions (whether medically or through sharing of needles or becoming 'blood brothers'). That's been proven one way or the other, so to me its concrete.

[LilydePlume]

that the FAE require "scientific proof" and concrete evidence of faery blood relation even tho they are neither concrete nor scientific
:crylaugh:

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[Myst]

Nope, the faeries don't. I already agreed with that.

But human blood?

I think what you might term as "fae blood" is really emergence of fae energy. :D

But then, oh yeah, everything everyone states here is opinion anyway. ;)

[Chibi-Fallon]

Hey, they stuck jelly fish genes into a monkey (and he glowed). I think faeries or elves might be able to give people blessings or something along those lines that might make the person more faerie or elfish but having actual blood, I don't think so. That takes needles and all that good stuff, or someone in your family banging an elf or faerie.

[Myst]

Originally posted by Chibi-Fallon
or someone in your family banging an elf or faerie.

Someone trying to catch one and... lol that'd be something to see.

[Xander67]

:rolleyes:

8O 8O 8O 8O 8O

:D

[Myst]

heeeeeEEeere faerie faerie faerie

hehe:eek:

[Chibi-Fallon]

Makes for an interesting story tho. Dinners would be kinda strange because what do they eat anyway? Or do they not eat? I mean you don’t see elves with Big Macs or anything. Do they eat tree bark? It’d be kinda creepy if they had really sharp teeth and latched onto deer or something. Occasionally see one flying through the woods its pointy little teeth firmly lodged into the back of a deer. Deer with all these bite marks bashing elves and faeries into trees.

[Xander67]

they eat Cake! :D

[Chibi-Fallon]

*buys lots of cake mix* Have fun Myst. ;)

[Sequoia]

. . . *sweat drop*

LOL hey. . . why COULDN'T a human bang an elf?? LOL ;)

hehe or an elf or faery could bless a human baby. It could happen!

[Myst]

I was reading in one faerie book or the other (I think it was the real world of faeries or a witch's guide to faery folk) that they exist on a separate plane. They don't exist in a physical sense as we know it, and they don't live in the same sense we know of. For instance they don't eat at all, or love or hate. This book went on to say that some mischievious fae folk are in fact jealous of humans and other creatures on this plane, and that they steal things or do other naughty things because of that. In a sense they cannot understand how we love or hate or eat or dream anymore then we can really understand how they live, and that some of them don't like that.

Can you imagine faery folk being jealous of *us* ?

[Xander67]

yeah

I can see how Burdensome being able to fly around and not haveing to worry about mundane issues as Bills, Color wars,
food, or shelter can be.

but then again, :) Mabey Faeries have stress too....I'm sure they worry bout lots of things...right?:rolleyes:

[Myst]

Well like when your friends would be dating and you wouldn't yet... you'd be kinda jealous and wonder what it was like.. you know? Kinda like that.

Or how we can't understand faeries and it makes us more curious to see how they act or why.

Not sure if that example makes sense to everyone but that's what I liken it to :)

[Xander67]

:)

yeah I got the drift :)

heheh good analagy :D

[Lunamoth]

...as my brain hurts and I would very much like to scoop out the chunk that hurts the worst. Ever want to do that? Anyway...

While I can see the points made by Myst and others that, based on the fact that you (general 'you') believe that the Fae and Elves are on some other plane, then it makes perfect sense those points you made.

However, there are those of us that feel that there is enough (or nearly enough - study continues for us all) evidence to support that those "Shining Ones" the Fair Folk, who were later called Elves or Faeries (no, not those Edwardian-times flower-fairy pixie things) actually may have existed as normal (for the time) humans or a relation thereof. Heck, if we're supposed to believe that we had descended from Apes, yet they can't determine *exactly* when that change occured, why not suggest that there may have been other races of people besides those that exist today? And, following that logic, would it not then follow that humans of this day and age could potentially be a descendant, albiet a veeerrryy distant one, of someone from said race?

Now, like I said, I didn't read the other postings, so if someone else already said something similar, my apologies for not yet reading your post. I will get to it. When the voices in my head quiet down...

Lunamoth

[Myst]

Actually Danustouch did mention that, but that's ok :)

Her point was that it was believed that those folk existed with humans a long time ago, and that some believed that they were related to the Tuatha de Danaan because of that. Tho this is because the Tuatha traded their babies with human babies, not because they mated with humans.

We know other races existed before that don't know - species extinction comes to mind. But we also know that dogs don't mate with cats or sheep with cows.

*shrugs*

[flar7]

[ But we also know that dogs don't mate with cats or sheep with cows.

*shrugs* [/B][/QUOTE]

Not successfully anyway....LOL -country boy-

[Myst]

hehe I was wondering if someone would say that.

[oskila]

chibi-fallon sez:

...Dinners would be kinda strange because what do they eat anyway?

********

Well, some types of faeries, guarding standing stones or buried treasure, are said to feed on the energy from the stones or treasure.

just a spot of irrelevant knowledge :)

[Myst]

true

some also suggest leaving honey or ale out for them, that they will somehow consume the essence of these gifts.

[oskila]

or at least understand the gesture of tribute

[Myst]

very true

look look there's someone else on my wavelength :D

[oskila]

and mine too :D

BTW: My sig. is in tolkien's ancient elven tongue, so elves must exist :nyah:

[talamh]

From my reading, although i can't quote you the books off hand, the Tuatha De Dannan were the race that inhabited Britain and Ireland before the coming of the Celts. They were a non-violent race who used communication of the phychic/spiritual level as easily as on the physical level and thus, to the conquoring Celts, seemed gifted with special powers when, in fact, they are "powers" that humans have long had but have now mostly forgotten.

The Tuatha De Dannan retreated to the west, leaving behind barrow graves and sacred mounds which are not fully understood to this day, although legend has it that the barrows are doors to the magic land of faerie. It is also thought that the sacred springs which later became the sites of many great Christian cathedrals were honoured by the Tuatha De Dannan before the Celts came.

There is also speculation (some call it study) that many of their barrows and sacred sites are where "lay lines" or dragon lines...... some sort of power "grid" .....intersect. It is thought that these lines might be related to the magnetic "lines" that birds use for navigation when they migrate.

It is also part of the lore that some of the Tuatha De Dannan escaped by sailing westward.... hence the legends of the sacred land to the west. Indeed, here in Newfoundland there are many stories and much lore concerning faeries. (Ever thought of Newfoundland as the Sacred Western Isle?? lol)

It is possible that some of the Tuatha De Dannan intermarried with the Celts and that there is a physical ancestral link with today's people. But i believe that we all have the physical capability of understandings and abilities that have long been lost to most of the human race.... i also believe that some or even much can be recovered by "remembering".. but that it takes motivation and practice... like using muscle you hardly ever use.. like your toe muscles. (try spreading your toes wide apart so they don't touch each other..... tricky, what?)

There is even the possibility that some of the Tuatha De Dannan still survive.. as do the Yetti and BigFoot and the Loch Ness "monster".... creatures from a younger time who have learned not to make themselves known to our race and way of being. bb talamh

[Myst]

Originally posted by talamh anEiac
But i believe that we all have the physical capability of understandings and abilities that have long been lost to most of the human race.... i also believe that some or even much can be recovered by "remembering".. but that it takes motivation and practice... like using muscle you hardly ever use.. like your toe muscles.

That's the thing. Why do some people insist on attributing "supernatural" powers to strange stories? As we all know a large part of the brain is unused and a lot of Pagans believe we all had psychic abilities etc. long ago that were suppressed - so why do we have to attribute it to special blood or strange birthmarks, etc. instead of believing that you yourself have the ability to remember long lost tools and techniques just by virtue of being Pagan and alive?

*steps off soapbox*

[Lunamoth]

Originally posted by Myst
Actually Danustouch did mention that, but that's ok :)

Knew that would happen. Drat. ;)

Her point was that it was believed that those folk existed with humans a long time ago, and that some believed that they were related to the Tuatha de Danaan because of that. Tho this is because the Tuatha traded their babies with human babies, not because they mated with humans.

Actually, the things I have read have suggested (not proven, mind you as I don't think that can be done at this stage) that these people weren't actually magickal or mystical or anything like that, just different, lived longer than anyone else, that sort of thing. You know, how mythology stems out of legend and legend out of truth but the facts have been altered and exaggerated to make the story good...The idea being that they weren't these immortal beings, but rather were humans of a different ilk, if that makes any sense.

We know other races existed before that don't know - species extinction comes to mind. But we also know that dogs don't mate with cats or sheep with cows.

Hmm...but various big cats have been mated successfully and various equines, not necessarily of the same type, but have produced offspring. Recent studies have shown that dogs are descendants of wolves, though the divergance happened around 135,000 years ago. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/wolves/wolfdog.html

So, following the logic that Elven folk were nothing more than humans with "differences", the theory of having "Elven blood" can be feasible. But, if you believe they have always been something mystical, then of course it would not make sense. SO the point is, the difference in opinion lay squarely on whether you believed they were mystical or mundane. :)

[Myst]

Ok and what makes you believe they're "just humans" that are a "little different"? And if they were "just humans" all along, why care if you have some human blood in you?

And would you say you had long arms because of your ape blood? Excuse me, I have to go now, my Pocahontas blood is making me flighty. My pilgrim blood is having a real issue with my Indian blood here, so one of my arms is actually beating the other. :rotfl:

[Lunamoth]

Ok and what makes you believe they're "just humans" that are a "little different"?

:) I didn't say I believed it. I said that there have been studies which suggest that they *were* (not *are* - we're assuming they're gone for the sake of this discussion). I *do* however have a hard time believing in something I can't see. The idea gets a little too fluffy and "angel-y" (for lack of a more concise term) for me.

And if they were "just humans" all along, why care if you have some human blood in you?

The same reason many people talk about having "Celtic blood" or a French background or Native American. They want to have a connection with something that is important to them. Today's people are experiencing a definite distance from their ancestors. Some are trying to re-establish that lost connection. Now, whether that connection is valid, it's not up to us to decide really. The idea is entertaining, however.

And would you say you had long arms because of your ape blood?

Nope, *I* wouldn't because I don't have long arms. But I do *have* arms *because* of the species that I am; I sure don't have wings or fins. So I guess if we are actually descended from apes, then yes, it would be because we came from apes, as opposed to being descended from a platypus.... ;)

[Myst]

I like your thinking. I still don't agree with that idea, but I like the way you think.

As to

"So I guess if we are actually descended from apes, then yes, it would be because we came from apes, as opposed to being descended from a platypus.... "

Yes, but, would you say it's because of your "ape blood"? Or because of the genetic similarities between your species and that which you may have evolved from? I mean my blood's O+ and human, there's no ape in it. heh. I think you see what I mean tho and thanks for bringing up some good points.

I'm surprised Ill hasn't commented - well, not really, I'm pretty sure he has either not seen this thread or realized there was no way he could formulate a response that wasn't totally infuriatingly rude to some people. :rotfl:

[Danustouch]

Yes, from a Historical viewpoint of Ireland, the Tuatha de Danaan were not a mythical race of tiny little faery people. They were indeed, from a historical/mythological (when you get into Irish History that far back, the two, history and mythology are so closely intertwined, it is hard to devide them) viewpoint, just a highly magickally evolved race. But here's the problem, Throughout Irish historical evolution, the story has picked up legend, and where legend is concerned, there is always a little "flavor" added to the stories. If you mention the Tuatha De Danaan to your average Irish Housewife, living in some rural part of Ireland today, they're not likely to discuss them as a pre-celtic race, but rather to associate them with the "Fae", or the "Wee-folk.". This is where the story of the Changelings would come in.

If this makes any sense. In other words, it is very difficult to find any "Facts" about the Tuatha De Daanaan, or factual proof of their existence, and thus, any facts about any possible interminglings that they had with the ancient celts. So, if one wishes to believe that they are descended from the Tuatha De Daanaan, it would be just as easy for them to say they are descended from the smurfs. There simply isn't enough evidence to prove it. So these individuals are taking everything on faith, and hearsay. I mean..lets face it...the ancient celts were not the best written record keepers of all time. And the likelyhood that "Mary Margaret O'Reilly" was married to "FrodoMacLir" (really made up names..." and a record of such was kept, or passed down from generation, to generation, would be exceedingly hard to prove. Especially since after the Christians came to the Isles, such "mythology" would have been highly frowned upon. My belief is that when the Christian Missionairies came to Ireland, they tried to demonize, or at the very least, deminuize (make smaller, or less important..not sure if I got the word right), anything that they could not understand. So...in the process of converting the peoples, probably tried to deemphasize the belief in the mythological creatures, and heroes of preceltic myth. So...finding evidence..true, undeniable proof of the race of the Tuatha De Daanaan, and anyones link to it, would be nearly impossible, today.

Ok..that may have been rambling.

My point is, you can say you are anything, based on faith, and belief. Whether or not that can be proven as "Fact" is an entirely differen't story. I don't have a problem with people taking things on faith, rather than fact, except in the example Myst brought up. The fact is, we are all born with psychic powers. It is a part of the human brain, which is simply underdeveloped, or not paid attention to, by too many people. But the potential, is inherant in every human being. As is magick. Magick, in my opinion, is not hocus pocus, it's not "rare"...it is something we all have the capability of doing, and something that we all do, even without aknowledging we ARE doing it, on a daily basis. Magick is like breathing, to me. People may not know they are practicing magick, when they wish upon a fallen star...or when they go to church to pray..but that IS magick. So..descendency from some mythological, possibly historical race, does not infer one with any more or less magickal ability than any human being on this earth.

[Lunamoth]

I like your thinking. I still don't agree with that idea, but I like the way you think.

And it's entirely your perogative, to not agree. Me? I'm still on the fence about it, but I can see both sides of the argument, so to speak.

As to

"So I guess if we are actually descended from apes, then yes, it would be because we came from apes, as opposed to being descended from a platypus.... "

Yes, but, would you say it's because of your "ape blood"? Or because of the genetic similarities between your species and that which you may have evolved from? I mean my blood's O+ and human, there's no ape in it. heh. I think you see what I mean tho and thanks for bringing up some good points.

Well, I think in this instance, when someone says they have "Elven Blood" or "Ape Blood" what they are actually trying to suggest is that they share some of the DNA markers (Almost said "DNS markers" - can you tell I work with computers all day?), rather than saying they actually have the exact same viscous liquid flowing through them as someone else has.

I'm surprised Ill hasn't commented - well, not really, I'm pretty sure he has either not seen this thread or realized there was no way he could formulate a response that wasn't totally infuriatingly rude to some people. :rotfl:

I'm surprised too. Surely Ill hasn't lost his touch, has he? ;) (<--suggestive taunt) I mean, this whole discussion has provided such opportunity, certainly he has something to say...You're probably right though, he's probably not seen this thread at all! :lol:

I love a good debate, Myst and you have the kind of debating skills I admire most. So glad to have had this discussion with you. :)

Lunamoth

[HallsOfAvalon]

When I saw this post I thought of allot of Fantasy books .... like the DD Dragon books which talk about this allot. I always thought it sounded kinda kewl, but when I saw this poll the answer came to me.

In order for this to be Humans, Fearies, and Elves would all have to be in the same family. And I would think Fearies would have evolved from some kinda bird or insect. Therefor, no I do not believe it is possible.

Although, kewl poll.

[Lunamoth]

Originally posted by HallsOfAvalon
In order for this to be Humans, Fearies, and Elves would all have to be in the same family. And I would think Fearies would have evolved from some kinda bird or insect. Therefor, no I do not believe it is possible.

Hmm...a bird or insect? They might take exception to that idea. LOL! Nothing I have ever read of the mythology surrounding fairies, Faeries or Elves (the Scandinavian version of the Fae) suggests they were anything but a sentient race that predated humans as they are today.

And the winged creatures that are such a huge part of children's stories didn't really come about until about the Victorian era when "small" and "delicate" things were idealized. But mythology is ever-evolving, isn't it? :)

[Sequoia]

hehe you know, I never imagined this thread would become such a big one! ^^;

hehe yes, the ideas of little tiny winged ice-skater-like people is nice, but I think. . . hmm and I have a differentiation in my mind between "faeries" and "elves". . . Faeries are these pure-energy-like beings to me, wheras elves were once a race of physical beings. . . guess I should've been more specific before! hehe

[Alphyna]

I think even if we don't have blood, we have spirit. Have you ever met someone, or looked in the mirror, and thought " She/he can't be human..."
:):):):):)!
Alphyna

[Man/Wolf]

I get told that everyday! :D

[Dancin Girl]

I'm sure that we carry the spirit of all of those beings within us!!

[Earthcup]

My understanding is that before Shakespeare wrote "A Midsummer's Night Dream" faeries were considered larger than humans and were quite feared. Of course later on they became happy little flying things....

I tend to think of Elves and Faery folk as the pre-Celtic peoples in Europe who were later made into myth. In that case we would all have a little bit of the Fae in us, assuming our ancestors came from western europe.

It's kinda like the American reporter who wanted to know how much of the UK population had royal blood and was told all of them do. There have been so many illegitimate children of members of the royal family over the centuries that everyone has a pinch of royal blood in them...

Honestly I don't know though. What we think of as faeries is the result of the imagination of writers and artists from the last few centuries. I wouldn't know what characteristics to look for.

I also call Otherworld spirits faeries but that's simply because I can't think of anything else to call them that's gets the same idea across...

[Dancin Girl]

:sunny: I know, it's all of those preconcieved notions and perceptions that we develop over the years.... I think my affinity and fascination with fairies has to do with my spirit identifying with all of those tiny winged creatures that call to me... like butterflies, dragonflies.... maybe it's my spirit guides touching me the way they know I'll pay attention.

[Myst]

To me there's hundreds of kinds of faeries and elves and gnomes etc. Also to me "energy beings" are elementals, which are basically a kind of faery, but there are hundreds more.

Read Edain McCoy's Witch's Guide to Faery Folk. You will also find The Real World of Fairies by Dora van Gelder interesting :)

[Raindancer]

Maybe, but I don't think so. I've had experiences and have some theories, but they don't involve Faeries and Elves. What do you get when you cross two different species? Nothing.
Raindancer

[Yvonne Belisle]

Jackass + Horse = Mule

So perhaps related species not completely different ones?

[Rævyn Cigány]

Originally posted by Psyche Ague
Well, I may have the pointy ears, but my feet are huge!!!

Okay, so you're a Hobbit, not an elf or Faerie ;)

B*B

Rae )0(

[TheTempestuous1]

Originally posted by MistOfTheSea86
The fact is I won't discount anyones beliefs no matter how ridicoulous it sounds unless it will endanger them, and if it is so I will confront them about it. But I will never and WOULD NEVER tell someone that they were wrong in believing something. Because the truth is... No one knows what is right. It is what you believe and you stick with that,
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Orig. By Myst
I would and do, especially when they ask what people think in an open public forum for open discussion and sharing of opinions.
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I agree Myst.. and since.."I'm surprised Ill hasn't commented - well, not really, I'm pretty sure he has either not seen this thread or realized there was no way he could formulate a response that wasn't totally infuriatingly rude to some people"

I'll do it!

Personally I'd vote under the 'don't be ridiculous' option too.. No I don't believe it's possible and I think people who do have lost touch with reality and have been reading far too many Science- Fiction books. Sorry if people are offened but that's what I think. Not only could there be absolutly no proof (or in my mind possibility) of this, (as myst stated with DNA) but how on earth do you think some mythical being has somehow impregnated one of your ancestors?? (As for the changeling thing, anyone who wants to subscribe to old superstition to explain what modern medical knowledge now knows, is free to do so..) Expecially one that is supposed to be either really small or really big.. I think this is entirely wishful thinking on he part of people who have read so much mythology that they have started to think it is a fact. In my mind saying you decended from the faeries is just as ridiculous as saying you decended from the gods! As someone else said (believe it was Myst again) Why must people constantly search out something to make them better, more 'supernatural' have more powers or somesuch nonsense. Why can't it be simply atributed to being a human and being celestial beings ourselves? We are extrodianarily complex creatures. Our brain has still not been fully 'found out' all of the esp, telekensis.. this can just be part of us! Maybe dissused but it doesn't come from vampires (fiction) werewolves (fiction) faeries, gnomes or whatever! Now that said.. I am not sure if I believe in faeries, gnomes and dragons, I certainly would like to! As people don't want to give up believing in Santa Claus, but until I meet a faerie, gnome ext (and I do have an open mind to this, because who knows what kind of things are out there, maybe in another spiritual plane) I am going to remain skeptic. But my main point is, people, you don't have to claim to be decended from some magical thing to be special! You are special! And might I add, get outside and take a good deep sniff of reality!

::waits for the offended posts to roll in::

[Yvonne Belisle]

Until science took off anything that really couldn't be explained was called magic. Who is to say that they weren't just tribes of humans that looked a little different and maybe were more intune with the world around them. As for looking a bit different we have plenty of examples of that today.

[TheTempestuous1]

Yeah no argument there, who knows, faeries ext could have been around more back then or something.. but then again they could have been just 'faerie tales' ;) Like I said I'm a skeptic, I am not sure whether they exist or not but I absolutly *don't* think that any of us could have decended from them.

Oh and PS.. there were people in tuned with there enviroment... Druids ;)

[Yvonne Belisle]

The druids probably weren't the only ones. :)

[TheTempestuous1]

PPS... There actually wasn't another 'tribe' ie species of humans (if you mean literal humans) Except for much farther back along the evolutionary chain. ie Cro-Magnons & Neandertals coexisting. But that would not account for those legends of faeries ext which are much more recent in orgin. There were other races of people of course just like today and of course literal dwarves and short people, that may also have helped bring rise to legends (ie taller warlike race, vikings for example, the big giants that ramage the land or something.. Dwarves, changeling stuff like it was a sickly faerie child that wouldn't grow..)

[Azure]

"Fairies" and "elves" vary culturally. I have very strong bias against the New Agey, Wiccan and Pagan "Fairy" books, largely because most of the authors - Edain McCoy (sorry Myst :)) especially is a good example as is Sirona Knight - fail utterly in their research and history. (Don't claim the ancient Irish worshipped the potato, please!). Sorry to say, but if you really want to learn, you have to go to the source, because it's really the only way you can find the information. In my opinion, as far as magical studies of any kind go, there are very few titles in the "New Age" section worth anything. Perhaps some of John and Caitlin Matthews, since they do their research, but not much else.

If you want fairy lore, go to the original sources where they exist, and to good solid history, folklore, and anthropology where they don't. Read mythology - lots of the fairies and such started as nymphs, genus locii, and other sorts of spirits of place.

If you want to look at folk legends, I reccommend an out of print but still available through libraries title called "A Field Guide to the Little People" by Nancy Arrowsmith et al. It also has a huge, multi-lingual bibliography. Or you might try "Albion: A Guide to Legendary Britain" by Jennifer Westwood. Go back to Mallory's Morte d'Arthur and read how he does it (Morgan le Fey = Morgan le fée, or "fairy"). Read the seventeenth century fairy tales of Charles Perrault and Mme le Prince de Beaumont. Read Grimm and Anderson, and later comers who put the old stories together like Andrew Lang (The Blue Fairy Book, and others).

Check out anthropolgists like Ronald Hutton. His very enjoyable "Stations of the Sun" and "The Rise and Fall of Merrie England" will redefine the way you look at ritual and folk customs.

If you want to look at how these beliefs could go horribly wrong, read "The Burning of Bridget Cleary" by Angela Bourke, or "The Cooper's Wife is Missing" (same story, different perspectives) - both published in 2000.

If you really want to look at modern perspectives, check out the work of Brian and Wendy Froud and Terri Windling's Endicott Studio. Both have websites.

The point I'm making is twofold: 1) as I sort of said above, there is no substitute for intense personal research if you really want to be in touch with the magic. 2) New Agey writers have watered down and diminished the power and magic of Fairy that's been around for millenia. Go to the source material, and it will be easier to commune with that power. No one ever said that this path was supposed to be easy, and always be suspicious of pre-digested and regurgitated information.

If you go reread the old stories, things you last looked at when you were ten, you're going to get a world of surprises.

And on a final note with a big grin, for whoever suggested that Shakespeare made fairies littler, nicer and cuter. . . well, I've got a Masters in Medieval English Lit and one in Theatre. I played Hermia a couple of years ago. I would have to say I think that Shakespeare's fairies are the wild tricksters of old, and not nice and cute at all.

[Myst]

Originally posted by Azure
1) as I sort of said above, there is no substitute for intense personal research if you really want to be in touch with the magic. 2) New Agey writers have watered down and diminished the power and magic of Fairy that's been around for millenia.

My recommendation of Edain McCoy's book wasn't for historical reasons anyway, as I have no interest in the same. However it does give a fairly extensive list of various fairy myths and beliefs which might be interesting.

Further, I've learned since posting that that communication or establishing relationships with fairies, spirits, etc. is more about natural aptitude and openness rather then academic knowledge. I have read many books on Paganism and magic in general and the wee folk specifically and only within the past months (or years? perhaps?) begun to see them, whereas some of my friends who have always centered on practical knowledge and experience rather then research have been seeing them almost since the beginning. You'll also notice that children are more likely to interact with these creatures; obviously not because of reading books but because they are more open.

So while I do agree it is important to put an effort in and do a lot of research it has recently occured to me that magic has much more to do with what can't be learned or taught, but only experienced.

[Yvonne Belisle]

I am refering to tribes the same way they are refered to by modern times. Large family groups like clans. Remember to that back then they roamed a lot and what may have been common place to one group may have seemed like magic to another. If you had one group with one skin type eye type or hair type meet another group with different group features they may have thought them another race. They were not scientific at all back then and we are assuming that they thought like we do. The odds of them having thought like we do is so slim as to be astranomical

[Myst]

In that case, Yvonne, they'd still be human. To me that's like saying we can say we could breed with apes because an ape probably thinks the way we can manipulate instruments is 'magical'.

As far as mules, they are sterile, and that only occurs from a mare. It is very difficult to get a jenny to produce offspring from a stallion because of the chromosomes involved. From species to species those chromosomes make a big difference.

[Azure]

I don't in any way denigrate personal work, my reasons for posting have to with the fact that a large number of the "Pagan" books from which people are taking their ideas about what the fairy folk are happen to contain huge quantities of historical and mythological misinformation. I regard that not only as bad scholarship, but as misleading for those setting out to do personal work.

The fairy traditions and those of other "little folk" have a very definite cultural context gained over a long period of time. I think it is very wise, for those who wish to work with the fairy tradition to study it accurately. I stand by that. I also don't believe you can work with say, the Greek pantheon, without reading and studying accurate sources on them, so you understand the traditions associated with them.

[Yvonne Belisle]

My point is that early man may not have associated different races with being the same species. Thus if an asian were to find thier way to a celtic tribe they may have assumed they were different species. Unless we can built a time machine we really never will have full answers but we can take guesses from the available information. I am just offering ideas to the pot.

[Myst]

Originally posted by Azure
The fairy traditions and those of other "little folk" have a very definite cultural context gained over a long period of time. I think it is very wise, for those who wish to work with the fairy tradition to study it accurately. I stand by that. I also don't believe you can work with say, the Greek pantheon, without reading and studying accurate sources on them, so you understand the traditions associated with them.

I see that you stand by that. However, *my* point was that I see fairies, work with fairies, and have fairies in my home, and yet have read nothing about fairies except the one book I mentioned. I also have recently found myself drawn to Aset without ever having research Egyptian beliefs in depth, or even *knowing* who Aset was (I had never heard of her by that name or really that name at all). I simply can't throw my experiences away by saying yes you have to read the right books to experience something truly.

So in short, my experience has been that book reading doesn't necessarily make that big of a difference. I suppose we will have to agree to disagree.

Yvonne :)

At this point, any possibility that fairy blood might exist in humans is to me, while scientifically impossible, only likely in terms of magic beyond our perception. In retrospect, if fairies exist on another plane and visit this one, is it so impossible that we might be closer to the other planes then we realize, or that our more magical ancestors might have been? And so, while I don't believe our physical blood could have fae in it, I do see how spiritually our life force is intertwined with all things, and thus it is not so impossible that theirs is part of ours as well.

Would've saved some time if that had clicked earlier on :)

[Élistariel]

can someone tell how to identify fae and elven traits?

[Morgandria]

Online, the community of those who believe or have a non-human spirit dwelling within them are called Otherkin. Among this group beliefs, spirituality and religion vary, but what is held in common is a belief that they are not entirely human. I mean, they're still human - but not. I have a couple resource links, for those interested:

http://www.otherkin.net
http://www.witchscauldron.net/otherkinindex.htm

-M.

[Élistariel]

As for faeries being descended from birds, and thus not at all human:
Going with the theory of evolution, who's not to say that when the first "pre-human" thingy came out of the ocean or whatever, that it didn't multiple, and then migrate. Then say the 'herd' split up and one began the gradual evolution to 'human'. Only for survival's sake, one became more birdlike, with wings? Hey, if a platypus can lay eggs, why not?
And to counteract (word?) myself:
How do we know that we all came from one 'ocean'. That we ALL derive from one tiny bacteria crowded spot on the entire Earth. Why couldn't those bacteria have done whatever they did in other places on Earth too?

[Yvonne Belisle]

The newest ideas on evolution are that humans did not evolve like a tree but more like a bush with branches everywhere. I still think that they were simply another branch that was mated to the one that survived and became us.

[jelly.belly]

Originally posted by Chibi-Fallon
or someone in your family banging an elf or faerie.

Why not? I mean, if they were all as hot as Legolas, it wouldn't be too hard! :D :rotfl:

To return to the subject, I think it could happen, that someone has elven or faerie blood. Like Chibi-Fallon said, it could be by blessing or something like that. And what if they're just human, but like another race, like some people have white skin, others have black skin, etc. Just in a different matter... But it also depends on how you "see" fearies and elves, for the 'if a human mated with a fearie or elve' part, it depends if u see them more as little children with wings of the Victorian (or I-don't exactly remember what part of history, sorry if it's not Victorian, thats the only word that accually comes to my mind right now!) or like the perfect elves of Tolkien (who are accually a little taller then the 'average' human) (and just look at Aragorn and Arwen, they fell in love didn't they? and did have children...). But then, again, it really depends on what you believe in...

I'm no expert in that matter, but I do like fearie/elven "mythology", I didn't read about it, but I think it's really interesting, I think it's a good subject you brought up Puma! :)

[Gwion]

There is definitely a fae look to certain people, and I have found it to be as rare as a diamond. There is an upturning of the eyes at the outside corners, and the eyes tend to be quite large and luminous. Fae people may be very light sensitive and often pale. They are almost always long limbed or slender in build, but graceful. Their canine teeth are often larger. They are very nimble with their toes, often able to pick up objects with them and even write. The best example I can think of is the actress Susan Hampshire, who played the Witch in The Three Lives of Thomasina. People with Fae blood tend to have delicate features and are some of the most beautiful human beings on earth. I believe that the way we look is determined not just by genetics, but by the soul inhabiting the body, and the nature of the soul will express itself through the body, and especially the face and eyes. To me "to have Fae blood," does not refer to any physical trait, but to the Fae nature of the certain souls, and the way it manifests in the body and face.

[Sowelu]

Very nicely put!;)

[Azure]

Of note, if you research it a little, most folk cultures have stories about their equivalent of fairies and/or elves cross breeding with humans. In some medieval noble families it was a source of pride. The selkie stories of Scotland and Ireland and the stories of the water fairies like Melusine and Ondine in France, and the intermarriages of noble men with nymphs and the like in Greco-Roman mythology are good examples of this.
The fact that such lore is commonplace (sorry, must say it again if you do your research ) suggests that the idea has been around for a long, long time.

[Gwion]

I want to add that Fae humans often have an unusually long reach between the little finger and thumb, most notable when they play a keyboard. They are not necessarily short people. They often shy away from simple human contact, ie shaking hands or hugs, so they avoid crowds and are reclusive. Their psychic abilities and normal senses are extremely keen: Night vision, better than 20/20 vision, sharp hearing. They are fast and light on their feet. They are quick to laugh, lighthearted, and flirtatious, but when they love, they love absolutely without reservation; this is both their greatest strength and greatest weakness, for they carry a sorrow forever. They tend to mate like wolves; once, for life, and never take another mate after the other dies. They can physically die of a broken heart. They remain young in appearance well into their years, but often appear to be mature beyond their years in their youth. Anyway, these are just my personal observations. I do believe that these people are the spiritual descendants of the Side and the Tuatha de Danaan.

[Sowelu]

Posted by Gwion
I want to add that Fae humans often have an unusually long reach between the little finger and thumb, most notable when they play a keyboard. They are not necessarily short people. They often shy away from simple human contact, ie shaking hands or hugs, so they avoid crowds and are reclusive. Their psychic abilities and normal senses are extremely keen: Night vision, better than 20/20 vision, sharp hearing. They are fast and light on their feet. They are quick to laugh, lighthearted, and flirtatious, but when they love, they love absolutely without reservation; this is both their greatest strength and greatest weakness, for they carry a sorrow forever. They tend to mate like wolves; once, for life, and never take another mate after the other dies. They can physically die of a broken heart. They remain young in appearance well into their years, but often appear to be mature beyond their years in their youth. Anyway, these are just my personal observations. I do believe that these people are the spiritual descendants of the Side and the Tuatha de Danaan.





Hmmm....I have sometimes wondered this about myself. I do have VERY sharp hearing. I have heard my kids mumbling things as they're walking away after getting in trouble. I can hear a siren before anyone else usually can...I like to go outside and sit out on the deck...very quietly, just to see what I can hear.
There are other examples, but I won't go too far into them now;)

[Pan]

I don't remember if I ever replied to this.. and I don't feel like fishing. 8O

I believe I do have Fae blood in my from my very first life. I was a lady of one of the 20-some-odd Courts in the Otherworld.. I still have the blood in me, and it shows.

I have a large reach on the keys, my ears slope up (like Hime's) but also decide to round at the end, I'm earlobe-less, have slightly-sharp hearing, though my eyesight isn't the best.

But I love hugging people.. I'm a hubby person. I love to leap on friends' backs for piggyback rides (like my old wolfie-momma and hubby. :D)

But I honestly do think I have Fae blood going through my veins. I have felt the wings as my astral form might have.. I have slews of Fae hanging around my house.. and they seem to obey me without question. I've heard them talking about me by way of "the Lady" on occasion.

Just some tidbits. :D

[Gwion]

Feels goooood, doesn't it? I even feel where they attach to my lat muscles. It's good to know I'm not the only one.

"You can find the others if you are brave. They went down all the roads long ago, and the red bull followed close behind and covered their tracks."~The Last Unicorn

Astrologically, I have always felt that those born on the cusp of Aquarius and Pisces were the most Fae-like.

[Pan]

tee hee. Too bad I'm a Taurus! lol :T:T:T:T:T:T:T

But, hey.. even us earthies can be fae-like. Just ask hubby and his Brownies. 8O

And yep.. my wings feel good. They're a tad strange.. 'feathered' but the 'feathers' are ivy leaves. ;)

[Morgandria]

You're not the only ones with wings. I hate it when mine are sore, but the mate is an experienced massager of wing muscles by now. ;)
-M.

[Sequoia]

hey, whoah, am I fae? I fit a lot of those descriptions! ;) at least, thats what folks have told me. I don't think I'm very beautiful. . . and well, darn, I wear glasses. But that's what I've been told, anyhow.

I feel wings too. . . though. . . mine feel more feathered and larger than "pixie wings" style. . . :huh:

[Sequoia]

Originally posted by Morgandria
You're not the only ones with wings. I hate it when mine are sore, but the mate is an experienced massager of wing muscles by now. ;)
-M.

*grins* yes. . . . all I'm gonna say is, you're one lucky gal. . . :D feels incredible, ne?

[Gwion]

you were such a cute little changeling.

Loki is right though. I notice that many fae align themselves with one dominant element or combination of elements. Sylphs, salamanders, gnomes, or undines, as it were. I also see some adopt certain animal traits, very feline, or birdlike in form and gesture.

I lift weights, and I'm a Virgo, so my Fae has a strong earth element as well.

Anyone hear about a LARP game called Changeling?

[Élistariel]

wings huh? never heard of the concept until now, I read about it, but I thought the webpage was an RPG. lol, didn't have a very good set-up. Maybe that explains why I'm always having to pop my back, and why I never sit with my back to a chair, unless I'm very very tired. Now that I 'think' of it, they feel (to me) to be kind of angelic in shape, but a blue-indigo color, and are translucent, the feathers have the texture of dragonfly wings, and the same iridesence. At least that's the impression I get. I actually see indigo by my side when I'm in my white shower leaning down to get shampoo, I think they must stretch out a bit when I bend down or lean over. The only thing that confuzzles me about my wings, which I have always felt, but never knew what they were, is that I also feel that I have a mermaid's tail. As a child I would swim around with my legs together to make up for my tail, I had to take lessons at the local YMCA, and thus began swimming, human-style. Even then I could hold my breath longer than the other kids, and now, my record is about a minute and a half. Haven't been able to try it lately. When I do my "see how long I can stay under" I close my eyes and concentrate on dolphins and whales. The common dolphins and belugas seem to help best. When I lived in Miami,FL I or my cousin (I forget who) had a doll that was a mermaid with angel wings (a Shimmer?). I felt the strangest connection to that doll, now I know why. I just wish I knew what it was. I can also 'talk' to my beta fish. I'll 'tell' him, verbally or telepathically to do something, and about 75% of the time, he'll do it. Hey, he's a beta, he's not the best listener. My snail on the other-hand... I did this by accient, I 'told' my beta to swim by the snail. The snail let go of the side of the tank,and went to feed at the bottom. :eyebrow : Oh and for some mortal tidbits about my family, my paternal grandfather, and my father were marine surveyors. (dad worked for grandpa). My maternal grandmother's name (first and middle) means Maiden of the sea or Mistress of the sea. The only winged name in my family is the surname, Dove. Oh, and I can NOT stand to see, touch, or get near dead fish. I also hate mountains, I feel like I'm going to fall off the face of the earth. I MISS MY WINGS! It's not the height that bothers me, it's that I have no way to stop if I start falling. Okay so, I'm more mermaid, but I have wings as well. I can 'talk' to my cats too. Okay, animals in general. Even bears and eagles, the bears listen much better, won't go into detail. That's all I can think of for now. what am I?

[Élistariel]

Oh and my name, Maren Themah, which I made up, yes I knew maren was a name, but I didn't know what it meant, and thema is a real word, in some language. Translated, it means Sea Queen.

[Gwion]

I have noticed that my wings open when I open all of my chakras from base to crown. Does anyone else have this connection?

[Sowelu]

Salamanders:)
Fire






Gwion:heartthro ;)

[Sowelu]

....what about seeing things or noticing things that other people do not notice?, like the detail in things....pictures....movies.......art......
I have a place that I go to down on my property. There, I worked hard to clear the area (under a tree next to a pond and creek) I collected large stones and cast a circle there which stays there all the time. There is a very special and old tree that shelters the area....it's long branches provide privacy for me and surround me.
What is strange in a way is....I went to my tree one afternoon and leaned against it.
I pressed my ear against the tree trunk and...heard things. Some people may think me strange...but I talk to the tree every time I visit it.
I go to this spot when I want to get away and sort of meditate. I sit....very quietly, and take in my surroundings. The scent of the foliage....the sounds...the feeling of a slight breeze...it's magickal!:)

[Pan]

Maren: What are you? A mermaid with wings! ;) That's special in and of itself. A child of the air and water.

Gwion: Never had that connection. I more or less feel my wings all the time.. sometimes more than others. I've also got a tail with a tuft on the end. I'll see if I can't find the URL for the picture as I believe I stuck it online. :D

Jade: I see things others don't see.. even other pagans. I hear things that hubby can't hear yet.. see the Fae in our home, even as little bursts of light and shadow. I see details in pictures that other sometimes can't see.. though that doesn't happen very often.

I do so like this thread. :) *wonders if anyone here is of the same court as she is...?*

[Gwion]

Do you mean Seelie vs Unseelie?

Copyright Jim Fitzpatrick

[Sowelu]

;)

[Gwion]

Ever feel like this?

[Sowelu]

;)

hmmmm....

[Gwion]

This is a Tshirt I wear

[Pan]

As for Seelie and Unseelie.. to me, those are just generalisations of the Courts. Seelie being "good" and Unseelie being "bad". I believe there are more than just 2 Courts in Otherworld, but that's just me.. ;)

lovely pictures, btw. :D

[Sowelu]

Very "Beautiful";)

[Armitage]

Hmm...Count me among the ones who's felt wings, though I don't think I'm fey at all. They get less bothersome if you 'stretch' and 'fold' them repeatedly.

[Élistariel]

halloween is great, party city rules too. I FINALLY got some wings. Butterfly fairy and angel. The angel ones are wrong. I don't know how, they just are. Maybe my grandparents' church will want them. lol. I'm wearing the butterfly ones now. I took them off, but it felt too weird. Maybe I was wrong about the shape of my own wings. I got the color right. I need to try astral travel sometime.

[Sowelu]

:huh:

[Naine]

I personally feel that there must be people out there who are somehow mixed and mingled with the merest hints and traces of elven/ faerie blood, throughout time the slow evolutionary process would have meant that humans were compatable with faerie folk, maybe before the race of humans adaptd in the way that meant our vision was clouded to the point of disbelief, you know what im talking about we can feel the link.
I personally believe that if changlings existed then people today can have mixed heratige in this way, i think that traits wouldnt be physical as it is their mere essence and belief in themselves that give them their physical form and lets only the chosen see them, therefore the elven blood in aperson would only come out in their subconcious state, maybe through their magicks.

[Bird Speed]

I like that last train of thought it makes sense to me.

[Armitage]

Oh, Gwion (I think that's who posted it) where'd you get the big cel-type faerie face with all the butterflies? It's really familiar-looking.

[Gwion]

Originally posted by Armitage
Oh, Gwion (I think that's who posted it) where'd you get the big cel-type faerie face with all the butterflies? It's really familiar-looking.

That is from the closing segment, set to Stravinsky's Firebird, a completely pagan story.

[Gwion]

the Disney movie

[Sowelu]

I like the red one as well;)

[Gwion]

And we fairies, that do run
By the triple Hecate's team,
From the presence of the sun,
Following darkness like a dream,
Now are frolic
Puck, MIDSUMMER NIGHT’S DREAM, V, i

[Grey]

And hey why stop at elves and fairies?? dwarfs, gnomes, goblin, any humandoid might be capable of cross breeding with humans or each other..... DNA is weird stuff yah know?? and shoot if they bred into humanity that would explain why you dont see tons of them wandering around .......

I have a freind with pointed ears and repeatedly my freinds have said I looked like a dwarf from their books except about six feet tall.

And I know a family in missoula that all have red hair, are 4' 6" tall at most and have pointed ears and young looking faces.... their mechanics, plumbers and repairmen except one whoes a accountant.......

so as I say heck why not??

[jelly.belly]

I totally agree with Grey here and the thing about having a fairies/elves or other's soul, I mean, why not?! Why not? I mean, I've seen people who look so much like dwarfs and fairies or elves! I don't look anything like one, and pretty much everyone in my family doesn't, but my little cousin looks like a fairie, i mean really, she does, she has those big eyes and almost pointy ears, but she loves hugging everyone tho!

[Gwion]

Fairies are sensuous but ethereal

BTW to me the difference between Faeries and Elves is that Fairys have wings.

[Sowelu]

Perhaps I am just tired....or my eyes decieve me....but, is there a face with (sun) glasses on in that pic?

[Sowelu]

Your attatchment shows me only a blank paint screen Gwion.;)

[Gwion]

"Come here often?"

[Sowelu]

Awwww Gwion....you look soooo cute crouched down behind her there...:D (joking):p :p :p :p :p :p :p :p :p

[AmbivalentMirage]

Okay...well...if Myst isn't allowed to state that she doesn't think it's possible to have elven blood..then why post it as a question? Myst is allowed to have her opinion that it is NOT possible.

I happen to agree with her theory. I mean...generally speaking, How likely do you think it is, that your biological traits, such as a pointy ear, or one of those things, means that you are descended from an elf or faery? By that logic, you could just as easily be descended from a Vulcan (of Star Trek fame). Oh...but Star Trek is Fictional. Well..there is a very thin line between mythology, and fiction. One mans fiction, is another mans mythology.

And for the record, I DO think that faeries exist. But, in all likelihood, such beings are manifestations of another plain of existence. Places, and times, when the veils are thin, allow us to see such creatures, if we are lucky. But...imagine how incredibly differen't the DNA patterns are? To me, it would be akin to saying you are descended from a goat, because you happen to be hairy. Now..this doesn't mean that you couldn't have had a past life, as a faery, or an elf, or some other mythological being. Because I do believe that we can have past lives , as members of life in other plains of existence. So..her theory that perhaps the traits that you recognize as being elven, or fae, could be left over from a past life experience.

For the record, I happen to know in Ireland, that some people DO consider themselves descended from the Tuatha De Danaan, or in many cases, the Fae. But...usually, it is not so much because a faery impregnated a human, but rather, that a faery traded a baby of theirs (usually sickly, small, or ill tempered), with a Human baby (healthy, good sized, and good tempered). These babies are called "Changelings". So..of course these faery children, were raised as humans, and led human lives, and so would have probably bred in a human manner. So...while I don't completely rule OUT the possibility that people can be descended from these sort of creatures, these changelings, I'd say that the number of people who think they are, or share the genetic trait of a pointy ear, or are good with a bow and arrow, versus the people who could have been genetically tied to the Fae, specifically of the Brittish Isles, is quite improportionate. And even if someone WAS descended from such a creature, the blood would have been so diluted by now, that little genetic similarity would be present. Generally, In Ireland today, not too many people believe in changelings. It was one of those old beliefs, to explain the inexplaineable. Your baby was healthy at birth, but started to have an allergic reaction to the milk, and lose weight dramatically. Well...who even knew much about allergies in those days? And who could figure out an explanation for why some children suffered them, and some didn't. Blame it on the Fae....that sort of thing.

So..I guess, for the most part..NO..i don't believe it is probable, I suppose that all things are possible, all things under the sun. But..for such a highly improbable thing, I wouldn't spend too much time wondering about it.

And for the record, I've met a lot of people in chatrooms and the like, who claim to have elven or faery blood. And what tends to annoy me about *MOST* of them (and I'll admit, not all), is that many of them do claim to have powers above what "Mere Mortals" have. Extraordinary powers. For instance, they tend to believe themselves to be more magickal, or more intuitive, etc. It annoys me, because in my opinion, ALL human beings have psychic and magickal potential. Magick, and intuition is not given to just some people who have a genetic pattern for it. Intuition is something that all humans have, it's simply a matter of getting in touch with it, and allowing yourself to be open to it. And magick isn't just some genetic dna molecule that some people have, and some don't. It's a learned skill, a learned practice, and ones' magickal ability, imo is completely dependent on three factors 1)how open one is to it's power, 2)the effort, and will of the person involved to accomplish what they seek to accomplish, and 3) their willingness to learn, and never stop learning.
I agree. I believe faeries/elves exist on a different plane and biologically it's just not reasonable. *nods*

[Marchosias]

Hmm...

Fairy TINY

Human BIG

I shudder when I think of how someone would have fairy blood in them.

[Morgandria]

Fae were not originally tiny little butterfly-winged things. The Fae (at least the Irish fae) used to be as tall, or taller, than the humans that came after them. Interbreeding was entirely possible - in fact, there are many stories that speak of humans and the Tuatha de Dannan interbreeding.

Over time, and there's been a lot of time between there and here, the fae have been "downsized" - taken from their original size, as well as their original powers and legends, and turned into whimsical children's tales. By re-telling and then re-writing their stories over and over again over a thousand years or more, they have been stripped of most of their original power and glory and made into small, not-nearly-as-threatening, spirits that could easily be dismissed by Christianity.

*shrugs* Just a thought.
-M.

[FaerySong]

I'm young, so of course, I believe that people could have faery blood or elfin blood. but I am not thinking clearly enough to have reasons or theories or comments, I just wanted to vote and I say I do think so.

I believe the creatures of magick and "fantasy" live on our realm of existance, just in disguise or in places we can't reach. :) who says Atlantis is gone? It's invisible, where the magick lives. heh 8O thats what i think anyway.

[sianand_flidais]

It is entirely possible for people to have fey blood in them. I've been told by countless people all my life that I look 'elven', according to family legend (not necessarily true but always fun to believe in) there is fey blood in my family, and I've always seen fey, played with them since I was a small child. One in particular has always been around me, he is my spirit guide. Asked him outright about the fey blood thing, all I got in response was that I sparkled like a rainbow on the astral plane, as does a good friend of mine who likewise gets followed around by fey, and incidently the one time I saw my guide on the astral he sparkled like a rainbow too, so I'm choosing to believe in this possobility. Though I guess it could just be wishful thinking...

Ok, that's my little fey rant over and done with, I'm not obsessed with this subject honest! LOL

[Arylon]

I think it's interesting that many of the "traits" that have been listed as signs of faerie blood are taken from MODERN works of fiction (Tolkien's point-eared elves, the nightvision and slanted eyes of the D&D elves) But far more common in folklore are the tales of faerie folk who are perfectly human in form, but with one imperfection, such as an animal part, or an inability to cross running water or touch iron. Also common are the shapeshifters, faerie men and women that can change to another form, usually that of an animal, at will or on a certain day of the week.
I hope this post won't sound inflammatory, BUT: We have plenty of folk here claiming to have to or know someone with faerie/elf blood. But the traits offered as "evidence" are often those in line with MODERN sources (pointy ears, slanted eyes, pale skin, excellent vision). Where are the people who can swat away flies with their phantom cowtail? Didn't anyone here find that their duck feet helped tremendously when they were trying out for the swim team? And surely, there is at least one gal here who turns into a seal one day a week? :rolleyes:
Okay, even I have not read every book on folklore around. If someone can point me to a book of folklore that says that faeries/elves have 20/20 vision, pointy teeth(?), pointy ears, pointy shoes, and can write with their toes, I will gladly shut my mouth! :lol:

[Phoenix Blue]

**Wry smile** No, you make some good points, Arylon, if a bit bluntly. Maybe there should be a distinction: which "type" of elf did you descend from? :) Classical, Tolkien, or Gygaxian?

[Arylon]

Sorry...I'm just jealous because I'm blind as a bat and my ears are round little donuts! :)

[sianand_flidais]

Arylon, you do have kind of a point about the tolkien elves thing, but you should remember that he based his elves on a very traditional idea and image of elves that had existed in mythology for a good long while (or so my aunt tells me and she is totally obsessed with A) all things Tolkien and B) faeries and elves). Besides pointy ears were one of the more common "imperfect" features of the traditional feys otherwise human figures. Am taking this far too seriously methinks... Must put it down to severe lack of sleep due to stupid chest infection.. Sorry if I sound like I'm having a go, didn't mean too, just tired...

[Élistariel]

It seems to me, going along with the ancient idea of elves and faefolk, that those who were once perceived as faefolk were simply humans with traits a bit different from the norm, or allergies. As for traits like, pointy ears and the like, those are possible, though probably not to such extremes. Time has a bit of a "telephone game" effect on the truth. Things get blown out of porportion. Also, "way back in the day," people didn't even know about germs, much less genes and allergies. I see nothing 'abnormal' about a iron/metal allergy. Heck, if I wear cheap metal jewelry for too long, I get black junk on my ears, or a green ring around my finger. Does that make me fae/elven? While I may not have slanted eyes or pointy ears, again, where is the evidence that the old ones did? I guess my theory is that, if my idea is correct, then yes we do have fae and elven blood. We, ARE them.
Did that make ANY sense?

[Arylon]

I see nothing 'abnormal' about a iron/metal allergy. Heck, if I wear cheap metal jewelry for too long, I get black junk on my ears, or a green ring around my finger. Does that make me fae/elven? While I may not have slanted eyes or pointy ears, again, where is the evidence that the old ones did?


That was exactly the point I was trying to make. :)

[Chibi-Fallon]

Arylon I don't mean to sound rude but how did this fae blood get into your family? Someone share a needle? Or is it more something we don't wanna know about...
I think a blessing and blood (and maybe even spirit) are two *very* different things. Blood, seems to me, that it would mean someone had sex with a fae/elf/whatever and had a child. That seems *very* unlikely.
I’ve been told by other Pagans that they believe that I seem like a leprechaun. And I’m even short and Irish, so’s my mother. Doesn’t mean someone slept with one. Maybe someone got blessed by one or something. But I doubt anyone was sleeping with one... at least I hope not... but the Irish were never known for being sober. :lol:

[Arylon]

Um, I never CLAIMED to have fae blood. I don't think that such a thing is possible. I was questioning the "evidence" that some people gave , because, in MY opinion, it is not consistent with any sources of folklore that I am familiar with.

[Chibi-Fallon]

Sorry, 'bout that Arylon. I meant to put sianand_flidais, and I just messed up on who was who. 8O Sorry. Didn't mean you.

[cydira]

I didn't vote in the poll, but I've got my thoughts on this topic.

I think that folks described as being of fae descent are probably. As noted earlier, the descriptions of the fae have been watered down over time as well as added to.

There are some things which I question of people who are of fae blood or at least claim to be. One of them is this whole supernatural lineage and knowledge. (ie: I know where atlantis is, I played there as a kid.) Quite frankly, most of the folks who are doing this kind of thing are doing it for attention. The ones who aren't are usually... unique. Some of these folks truly are of a rare lineage and have an unusual knowledge of a given subject, they're few and far between in this crowd. The others are some form of psychotic that are using this information to draw in a crowd of followers.

This is coming from my personal experience, mind you.

The other matter that I question is the idea that one must prove a direct line back, complete with manifestations of fae traits in every generation. Quite frankly, I've seen many cases where people who are exceptionally gifted magically show up about as often as twins in certian family lines (this could be the origin of the whole seventh son of a seventh son thing). I tend to question people who talk about this in conjunction with the first issue I mentioned.

Physical traits is the third point that I question. By now, the folks of pure fae blood are most likely exceedingly rare. The fae bloodlines are by now so diluted that you can probably find 1 in 10 with some fae heritage. I'm going just on the idea of population growth and the regions of the world classically associated with the fae. You're more likely to have ears that seem slightly pointed because that was a genetic marker in your family line, along with that terribly cute nose that you got from your mother, then for it to be because you're a descendant of the fae.

My thoughts on the fae themselves is that they were a semi-aboriginal people in the British isles area who were over run by the Celts during the invasion described as the invasion of the Sons of Mil. I think that in the midst of the colinization of Ireland and the rest of the British isles, the fae intermarried and such with the Celts. Those who are known now as the fae are either the surfiet confectionary butterfly-human crosses that are plastered everywhere and called fae or the gods of the Celts in reduced guises (Note the Leprechaun vs. Lug). I believe that the people who I referred to earlier as the fae were gifted in their psychic abilities and had other unique traits, such as a strong affinity for animals or abilities pertaining to the weather.

This however, is my theory. I don't expect any one to agree, actually, I expect more flames then not. <shrugs>

[Rain Gnosis]

I agree. I believe faeries/elves exist on a different plane and biologically it's just not reasonable. *nods*

I've wavered back and forth on this subject, and am back to "not biologically possible".

I know some would disagree but I haven't yet seen any evidence why anyone isn't simply a human, even if they do identify with non humans.

[MoonRaven]

My aunt said something odd to my mom a little while back, and I had forgotten about it until now.

As corny and silly as most people think it sounds, she's psychic. I'm not talking money-making cornball TV psychic, but the kind where she'll get like a vision or something about someone, and it'll be totally true. She once told my mom she'd have big trouble with water in the near future, and a few weeks later the basement flooded when the foundation cracked.

Anyway, I don't remember what she was talking about with my mom, but at some point in the conversation she made a comment about me that was something to the effect of "well I'm not surprised. She's fae, after all."

To this day it still perplexes me. It doesn't bother me at all, just wish I knew more about what she meant.

Ok you probably all think I'm nuts now.

[Rain Gnosis]

Why don't you ask her?

[MoonRaven]

Because she lives in Britain, is never home, and never checks her e-mail.

[sianand_flidais]

Chibi-Fallon, I did say it was just family legend and not fact, and possibly wishful thinking on my part! And there are stories which seem to suggest that fey/human couplings did happen, just look at alot of the arthurian stuff for a start. Again tho I am not siting these as fact. I like to think I might have fey blood coz I'm obsessed with all things fey, and in my opionion it is possible. That's all I meant to say, didn't mean to upset anyone...

[Rain Gnosis]

You haven't upset anyone, it's just that you don't "get" someone's blood except through transfusion, sharing needles, being their biological child, etc. KWIM? There's a difference between "getting someone's blood" and feeling a connection with something. I think that's what's being said.

Even *assuming* fairies existed at such a size and such a genetic makeup as to breed with humans (which isn't likely, there isn't a lot of interspecies breeding happening), the blood, the DNA connection, would be so diluted as to be negligible.

[sianand_flidais]

Well I definatley feel a close connection with the fey, whether it comes from shared blood or something else doesn't really matter I guess. I do get your point that *if* there was fey blood in my bloodline that by this point it would be so diluted it wouldn't really mean much, but it's still nice to think that maybe I could be descended however distantly from these beautiful people/spirits.

[ChandaM]

As I have mentioned before, I have full intentions of winning the Nobel Prize somewhere in my late 50's - early 60's. In my studies this is what I've found...
There was a point I believed in "Past Lives", but as I Scientifically/Mathematically broke it down I discovered that the very blood that flows thru our veins has some type of "memory" base which connects us to the past and our feeling of having "been here before".
For myself, I found it interesting to discover I am related to William Wallace and a few other War Types, since I am a dominate "red" and born under the war planet Mars. My personality fits many of the characterisitcs of my past. And to take it a step further, if anyone is familiar with the Bible, it makes mention of Angels (I believe the ones cast from heaven) "mating" with humans. In my studies I have actually found a connection to this example and the Greek Titans. I believe the Titans were offspring to this. Which would mean some of us are related to Angels. So, Yes... My .02 cents votes it is very possible to have Elven blood running thru some of us! =)
~Chanda

[Chibi-Fallon]

Chanda, don't mean to sound nosey, but how did you scientifically/mathematically breakdown past lives?

[Rain Gnosis]

Of course angels and Greek Gods aren't elves?

That'd be like saying since you can mate sheep with goats you have no doubt some goats might have chicken blood in their veins.

[zakzekezedd]

Well, I think that historically there have always been those individuals who seemed to be slightly out of sync with the world around them, and many have had gifts and knowledge that were outside the realm of what might be considered "normal". After all, anything is possible, even if it doesn't seem very probable. So there may well be people who do have a bit of elvish or fairy blood somewhere in their heritage.

[Myrddyn Emrys]

I agree with Twig!

(runs and follows Twig into the cave):yikess:

Nope! Not coming out! And you can't make Me!

Myrddyn Emrys

[Ben Trismegistus]

Just to stick my oar in:

I don't believe that fairies or elves exist in any form in which it would be possible to cross-pollinate with humans.

Sorry if this makes me unpopular :)

[menolly]

Well, I'm a believer that it is entirely plausible for humans to have fae blood running through their veins in one way or another. After all, we live in a world of endless possibilities.

I've had a lot of people suspect me of having fae blood before, (isn't that right sinanand_flidais? :) )
I don't know if I do though, and I wouldn't know how to find out...

[sianand_flidais]

Well, I'm a believer that it is entirely plausible for humans to have fae blood running through their veins in one way or another. After all, we live in a world of endless possibilities.

I've had a lot of people suspect me of having fae blood before, (isn't that right sinanand_flidais? :) )
I don't know if I do though, and I wouldn't know how to find out...

You know it baby!:)

Don't really think you share physical traits though, with you it's more the way you sparkle with energy all the time, and that mischevious sense of humour!

[BelleMorte]

I can never make up my mind on this one. Sometimes I think fey are not physical and therefore don't have blood to share with people. Othertimes I think maybe they once were physical beings that may well have interbred with humans. Heard so many theories, and each new one I hear seems to make as much sense as the last. If there are people wandering around with fey blood though then sianand is definatley one of them. Sometimes, after watching her ponce about in the forest wearing flowing dresses and hugging trees, talking to the wind and dancing with total abandon I'm not in any doubt. then I see her recovering from a night out with make-up smeared across her face and I know she's 100% human:) lol

[Ben Trismegistus]

Don't really think you share physical traits though, with you it's more the way you sparkle with energy all the time, and that mischevious sense of humour!

Just playing devil's advocate, but do you think it's possibly that you guys exhibit personality traits and attributes of the *archetypes* of fairies and elves, without actually being blood descendents of them?

[Jenet]

I am a pixie darn it!!! :D

Or maybe a pygmy elf (don't look at me, ask Sianand_flidais, she started it.

Honestly, I think it's mainly in the eyes (in their general role as windows to the soul) and the aura whether it's visible or not. There are some people who you just know are something else.

And possibly in the passing out last time I handled a piece of heamatite that wasn't "mine" (although my other half says it was just a bad piece, perhaps but a lot of them make me feel 'wierd')

Unity
Jenet

[Morgandria]

You're not alone with the hematite weirdness. Stuff is nasty to me - makes my hands feel like they're burning if I hold onto it...and if I wear it long enough it raises a rash on my skin where the stone sits. Of course, I don't wear it long enough for that anymore, mostly because it burns!

-M.

[sianand_flidais]

Just playing devil's advocate, but do you think it's possibly that you guys exhibit personality traits and attributes of the *archetypes* of fairies and elves, without actually being blood descendents of them?

Yes I think this is entirely possible, and incredibally likely. I'm just in love with the possobility that I could just maybe have the tiniest little bit of fairy blood in me.
I'm not reality challenged dammit, I just want to be a fairy! lol

[menolly]

And possibly in the passing out last time I handled a piece of heamatite that wasn't "mine" (although my other half says it was just a bad piece, perhaps but a lot of them make me feel 'wierd')

Unity
Jenet

I never knew about the Heamatite thing before!
The stuff doesn't agree with me either, and I've always had an unexplained aversion to it... How odd...

menolly

(P.S. Hey Jenet, it's me Liz! :) Bizarre dream you had about you, me and Sianand running around 'my house' :hugz: )

[ChandaM]

Well, I may have the pointy ears, but my feet are huge!!!

Very Funny! But do your hands match the feet?

[Rae ShadowWolf]

I honestly can't say how I believe on that. Sure, there could have been Elves, so if it is in the bloodline, it can't be physically, though it could be spiritually as some of us feel more at home around nature than industrial areas.

I don't know. I never really sat down and thought about it. Heh, now that I am, I'm thinking it could very well be possible. Ugh. I don't know! You're making me think...

*bangs head upon keyboard* =p

[Sparrow]

I doubt it, but I guess it's possible. :/

My daughter has small, slightly pointed ears and huge blue eyes...that would explain a lot, lol.

Personally, and I'm not necassarily talking about anyone here, I think some people are so desperate they'll believe the shape of their little toe means they're part werewolf. I see it all the time. Someone tried to tell me that because she was born with black hair she was part demon. Over zealous goth kid :wtf: (I like goth kids, just not the stupid ones).

[Sparrow]

Oh, speaking of being born with things, you know that old superstition that if a girl is born with a birthmark on her left breast it's the sign of the devil? Well, I was born with THREE on my left breast, and they're postioned so they form a triangle. That can only mean I'm the anti-christ. BUWHAHAHAHAHA!

[Aidron]

I for one do not believe faeries, elves, unicorns, etc. do not exist in any form tangible to us humans, for many reasons which I will not even go into.

However, I have been told very many times that I look as though I have faerie or elven blood within me.

Personally, I believe if someone does have a physical resemblance to something such as this it is most likely a case of a past life manifestation in physical form. Certain lives perhaps we enjoyed the most, learned the most from, or feel the most strongly about have created physical signs in all our following lives.

It's really a judgment call on whether or not someone seems to have blood of 'something' else in them, of course, but perhaps my theory is true.

[Nimueway Ariande]

I think that once upon a time, the two realms one of which the fae dwell upon were perhaps more intertwined than they are now. I firmly believe that they still do intertwine, but it is brief and almost entirely missed in our busy hectic lives now a days. Yet being that perhaps the fae and the humans crossed into each others worlds more often back in the ancient days the old religions flourished...then maybe...who knows...some may have a tinge of the elven bloodline flowing in their veins. It's a beautiful idea though, the willingness to introduce more diversity into our diverse world.

Bye!

:broomride

[Arylon]

Oh, speaking of being born with things, you know that old superstition that if a girl is born with a birthmark on her left breast it's the sign of the devil? Well, I was born with THREE on my left breast, and they're postioned so they form a triangle. That can only mean I'm the anti-christ. BUWHAHAHAHAHA!


OMG! I must be one of the CHOSEN ONES! YESSSSSSSS!!!! :devil:

[menolly]

Oh, speaking of being born with things, you know that old superstition that if a girl is born with a birthmark on her left breast it's the sign of the devil? Well, I was born with THREE on my left breast, and they're postioned so they form a triangle. That can only mean I'm the anti-christ. BUWHAHAHAHAHA!

And I was born with a third nipple, which apparently means I'm a witch... Funny that... ;)

[Arylon]

And I was born with a third nipple, which apparently means I'm a witch... Funny that... ;)

That's really cool! People don't have nearly enough nipples! Hell, even cats get six! :lol:

[Sparrow]

YES! Chosen ones UNITE!!

(Those with third nipples are also welcome).

Hehe!

[wickedlizard]

I have to agree with Myst and Danustouch,

one, there still is no proof of there ever existing faeries.:wtf::geez::rolleyes:
if you believe in them fine, just as some believe that there is a god in the fashion of a man with a long beard, greyish hair and blue eyes. I haven´t seen him either.

What I believe in is that the sense of something god-like is in everything I see, I don´t need to believe that there is something similar to me to make me feel complete that which lives in an altered state. I believe that there is "us" in altered states in everything we see in our day to day living, and knowing that, is enough to give me comfort and the feeling of peace.

[banondraig]

I do get your point that *if* there was fey blood in my bloodline that by this point it would be so diluted it wouldn't really mean much ...

as for bloodlines, dna is a purely digital means of transmitting information. the gene is either there or it is not. it does not get diluted, simply replaced. it's likely that pointy ears, etc. are dominant genes as they seem to breed true, for example the welsh side of my family has a pointy ear trait. dominance is the case with other rare but recurring traits such as the sixth finger. if you have a six-finger gene, you will have six fingers on whatever hand the gene pertains to. most of us do not have this, and so we have the standard ten fingers. and so some of us have pointy ears, small feet, flexible hands, whatever.

if these are in fact inherited from fae, this will be because those traits and not others typical of the fae coexist well with the "normal human" phenotype. for instance keen senses would be very useful while wings might not be, considering the amount of energy it takes for them to 1) grow and 2) be used for flight. any human-sized faerie (winged) would have to eat obscene amounts of food to be able to sustain flight. look at the hummingbird. it eats several times its body weight every day. given that fae are frequently represented as taller than humans and slim, an average weight of at least 130 pounds, and daily food intake of at least 400 pounds seems reasonable. you can see why such a creature might quickly die out.

however, some of them could have been born *without* wings, which would make them pretty much freaks of their own group, but looking much more like a standard modern human. so these might have wandered off into a human village and had families (assuming coexistence on the physical plane). thus you have people with keen senses, pointy ears, small feet, and feeling connected to another race.

[Myrddyn Emrys]

I don't think Sianand meant "diluted" as one would with a mixed drink, but with DNA the chances of that gene surfacing over time get fewer. It becomes recessive rather than dominant. We all carry genes from our distant ancestors, but the chances of those surfacing become more remote as the species propagates, they become the small bits of flotsam and jetsam in the genepool.

Myrddyn Emrys

[stormdancer]

Personally, I believe in a connection between the otherworld and our own, and thus I have to trouble believeing that there are people who are part fae and elf among us, even full bloods who grace us with their presence on occasion. How the traits of the otherworld would manifest themselves in a human, I do not know. I don't know if the inherited traits would be physical at all (except I like the whole pointy-ears concept ^_^), or if they would be purely spiritual and be apparent only to one's self, in enhanced visions or particular talents or other traits of the fae and elven folk. Just my personal opinion. Free love among the races! ^_^;;

[Raindancer]

I think that they cute little wings and pointy ears are part and parcel with Victorian fantasy and bedtime stories. The folktales of the faery folk makes them out to be of a great variety not all cute. Some of them you wouldn't want to run into on a dark night.
I have a hard time with human fae hybrids. We, and all living things on this planet have DNA.. Species just don't interbreed unless they are genetically similar enough to do so. I would have an easier time with small groups of humans who in prehistoric times were isolated and under environmental pressures had to develop traits that are undeveloped in most people. Those traits would be dominant for them and could be passed on to people with whom their group might have come into contact and as we know, interaction, especially in those times often led to interbreeding.

Perhaps there could have been some sort of genetic mutation at one time ithin a group for some unknown reason which created or brought out a trait or traits that most people don't have. They would be human but a sort of subgroup in the respect of their abilities.

I tend to feel that just as there is a ide range of variation among eople in many various traits such as intelligence, musical ability etc. there are also people gifted in psychic and other abilities some of which we may not even be aware of. Perhaps those people who have this are not the fae as in the old folk tales, but the dawn of the next step in human evolution. The human body hasn't changed much in the last 50,000 years, our survival hasn't particularly depended on it, It may be that for millenia its been more important to evolve in the mind, develop psychically so we can network and more easily interact. But to return to mixing with the fae, I don't think so unless they were basically human to start with.
Raindancer

[Gwynyvyr]

ermmm, has anyone here ever studied anthropology...human biology...genetics...or considered SERIOUS THERAPY???

I like fairys and elves. Got some cute figurines of them.

But to seriously discuss (as some have here) the possibility of being "part-elf" or "part-fairy" has gone so far OVER the border into ridiculous-land! :spaceman:

Reminds me of the girl I once worked with that claimed to have 183 animal spirit 'guides'...she took off work one day because her dragon was in labor! (eye rollage)

I came to this forum because I thought I would find like-minded individuals for some serious discussions, and some good-humored discussions as well.

But this.
Well.

Whats the average age here, anyway?
I need to find a grouchy-old-pagan forum that encourages real life discussions, not RPG fantasy lifestyles.
I don't have a closed mind,btw, just an intelligent one that abhors such drivvel.

I am sooo glad all my kids are grown and out of school...if this is how youngsters are taught to think now....sigh...

Go ahead and flame me kids, I got old rhino hide for skin, and much better places to go...

*wanders off in search of intelligent life*

[Laurelei]

No, I don't think so.
Why? Well, I've met people on ego-trips who seem to think they're sudenly better than everyone else if they've got faerie/elven blood in them, so they make up all sorts.
Also, on a biological point of view, neither are compatible. Also there aren't many elves or faeries (if any), that are fully physical anymore, or were for at least a few hundred years. As far as I can see, it's practically impossible to do... that sort of thing with astral creatures. Then again I don't think I can speak for those that probably were physical perhaps a few thousand years ago. I just can't see them breeding with humans.
On a different note though, I think plenty of us have elven or faerie energies inside us, especially those who know one or more.

[mothwench]

i chose the 3rd answer, yes, physically and mentally, BUT: i don't think this is necessarily a good thing. it can be, but in most cases probably not.
am i the only one here who believes the fey are just as inclined towards both good and evil as humans are? anyone else here?
bb, the mothwench

[mothwench]

ermmm, has anyone here ever studied anthropology...human biology...genetics...or considered SERIOUS THERAPY???

I like fairys and elves. Got some cute figurines of them.

But to seriously discuss (as some have here) the possibility of being "part-elf" or "part-fairy" has gone so far OVER the border into ridiculous-land! :spaceman:

Reminds me of the girl I once worked with that claimed to have 183 animal spirit 'guides'...she took off work one day because her dragon was in labor! (eye rollage)

I came to this forum because I thought I would find like-minded individuals for some serious discussions, and some good-humored discussions as well.

But this.
Well.

Whats the average age here, anyway?
I need to find a grouchy-old-pagan forum that encourages real life discussions, not RPG fantasy lifestyles.
I don't have a closed mind,btw, just an intelligent one that abhors such drivvel.

I am sooo glad all my kids are grown and out of school...if this is how youngsters are taught to think now....sigh...

Go ahead and flame me kids, I got old rhino hide for skin, and much better places to go...

*wanders off in search of intelligent life*


hmm. well that was nice. for the sake of decency, the least she could have done was block out her signature...
how embarrassing. :hehehehe:

[aefentid]

hmm. well that was nice. for the sake of decency, the least she could have done was block out her signature...
how embarrassing. :hehehehe:

Out of curiosity ,I'm wondering what you find wrong with her signature.

[Myrddyn Emrys]

Yikes! Jeez! Ouch! DAMN!

Someone woke up on the wrong side of the coffin!

It honestly amazes me that someone who obviously has no interest in the thread jumps in and decides to belittle those who posted in the thread. Do you intend on going off on Mol like that for his Joke post about different types of Rock? Merely because it doesn't fit what you feel should be here on this site? I thought one of the tenets for this site was TOLERANCE for what others believed. Have you studied Anthropology, are you a Biology major, where is your degree in genetics from?

Personally, I am 39 years old, have two full grown sons, and seven grandchildren. True, I only have a high school education, but was at the top of my class in the Sciences for all four years. I was not able to "formally" continue my education for having to get out in the workforce, but have studied much on my own.

Again, personally, I do feel there is a posibility that the Fair Folk existed. Not the cutesy little faries and elves of the Victorian picturebooks and romances, but perhaps an offshoot of humans with different physical characteristics and perhaps a longer life span. Folk tales and legends have to spawn from somewhere, some small bit or piece of fact. And there is no way you can tell me that is impossible, just look at the variety of physical characteristics between different races today.

If you didn't like the forum's contents, why post and cause this? Granted, I may not agree with some of the posts here, but I don't go slandering those here just for the fact of disagrement.

I sincerely hope you find your "like-minded individuals" for your discussions, and I hope I personally don't encounter those of a like mind to yours.

Mol, I know you have the right to delete this post if you feel so inclined, but there are just sometimes I cannot take things such as this, and this was one.

Myrddyn Emrys



Myrddyn Emrys

[Gwynyvyr]

Actually, someone saw this thread...contacted me, and asked me to honestly comment. So I did. Why? Because I am an aggressive, assertive, obnoxious, abrasive, opinionated elitest and so entranced with my own intellect that I believe most of my fellow humans are a waste of compost.

As for waking up on the wrong side of the coffin...stopped sleeping in one of those YEARS ago. Too confining and the satin lining make me sneeze.

I studied anthropology and took many human biology courses at the University of Virginia back in the 70s and 80s. Genetic studys being more recent, I have done most of my reading on my own, but would be fascinated to take some courses in that. I love expanding my education. Learning for the very sake of learning is a wonderful thing.

As far as TOLERANCE, I have found its HIGHLY overrated.Also, the definition of the word itself has been skewed by the PC crowd. Tolerance USED to mean : to TOLERATE anothers behavior/beliefs/lifestyle/etc. to allow though not condone, forebearence with effort,, as in "I TOLERATE my sisters drinking, but I don't approve of it" or"It took a great deal of TOLERANCE on my part to endure that". Tolerance does NOT mean ACCEPTANCE.

I also have the sensitivity of a rabid rottweiler and none of the good manners. :smoke:
I am quite happy with the way I am. Took a long time to get here, and a lot of tolerance with the idiocy in the world on a daily basis. :rolleyes:

Congrats on the 7 grandchildren. Alas, I have only one:( I have 5 sons and 2 daughters. One of the sons recently got engaged to a lovely girl, so I have the hope of more grandchildren in the future.

BTW, slander is SPEECH, LIBEL is in print. Most legal decisions concerning things on the internet have come under libel laws.And the burden of proof in a libel case is that the libel committed has ruined/damaged anothers reputation/business/life in some manner AND that the statement made could be COMPLETELY disproved.

I have run into SEVERAL like-minded individuals here :hairraise
I was honestly amazed and bemused when some individuals pm'd me to agree with me on some of the statements/opinions I have posted. Most seem to be a bit hesitant to publicly post anything. Don't know why...I thought this forum was tolerant of all opinions. :eyebrow:

[Laurelei]

This is mainly a reply to Gwynyvyr, althought I THOUGHT she had wandered off in search of intelligent life...

I read something a while ago, about frogs and ponds. And bragging about the size of your pond. Actually, it was Silver RavenWolf who said it so I'll shut up now to avoid sparking another debate that's off topic.

Most of your fellow humans are a waste of compost huh? Believe me I go there. I sometimes moan on for hours to spirit guides about the way humans are lying, cheating, brainwashed e.t.c, e.t.c. not that it gets me anywhere. I'd long to be a different species. The trick is to weed out the brainwashed idiots from the open minded, thoughtful people and as far as I can tell, Mystic Wicks is the biggest collection of open minded intelligent people I've seen in one hell of a long time.

I myself often sit in a mirror and think about how great I am. I gave up mentally beating myself with sticks a long time ago. I'm special, thoughtful, open minded, intelligent, quick witted and (and this makes me most special) I DON'T inflict it on other people!

What damage people do by trying to affect others! Who'se self-esteem could I destroy with my arrogance!? Who could I make miserable by making out that I'm better than them?! My dear, until you realise you're not helping the state humanity is in with your attitude you don't mean anything to me! (Not that you care, but you did say all opinions should be accepted).

This was very off topic, not exactly my nice quiet self, and longer than most of my posts. But really, take a long hard look at yourself and who you affect. Life is about developing yourself, after all.

[Arylon]

I came to this forum because I thought I would find like-minded individuals for some serious discussions, and some good-humored discussions as well.

But this.
Well.

Whats the average age here, anyway?
I need to find a grouchy-old-pagan forum that encourages real life discussions, not RPG fantasy lifestyles.
I don't have a closed mind,btw, just an intelligent one that abhors such drivvel.

I am sooo glad all my kids are grown and out of school...if this is how youngsters are taught to think now....sigh...

Go ahead and flame me kids, I got old rhino hide for skin, and much better places to go...

*wanders off in search of intelligent life*

Um, had you read the thread you would have seen that there are many people here that DON'T believe it is possible, so there is really no reason to dismiss the entire forum as being a waste of your time. You will find people of varying opinions here...perhaps you should go back and read before you post...

[mothwench]

Out of curiosity ,I'm wondering what you find wrong with her signature.

the smilies, love. not beowulf

[Raindancer]

Where I think Gwynyvyr went amiss was in making a disagreement into something personal. Also, as has been pointed out, she obviously didn't read the other posts or she would have known that others who posted also carry a few grains of salt with them for times like this. I for one think that its more likely that the dinosaurs didn't become extinct but actually develoed space travel and left than that humans and non-humns could mte and have offspring that could in turn have offspring etc. I would like to be proved wrong but don't expect it any time soon. But she could have been more tactful and just disagreed.

Having said that, I would like to know why it should be that for someone to be able to say that it is genetically impossible for humans and non-humans to have offspring that person should have studied biology, genetics, anthropology and who knows what else but someone who says that they CAN interbreed needs only personal opinion? You don't need a doctorate in biological sciences to know that outside of those species related and not diverged enough to be totally unable to create offspring ( horses and donkeys or zebras for instance ) it doesn't happen in nature. You can look around you and even if you believe in half human half elven crossbreeds, you won't see half dogs and half racoons, half rabbits and half rhinos. We as pagans, as I understand it are trying to be closer to nd in synch with Mother Earth, so why aren't people looking to Her for a clue? You don't need a PHD to look around you and to see that it just don't happen? Even closely related species like horses and donkeys, when they do breed only produce offspring that is sterile. It only goes one generation. If it goes for more they aren't different species. When you have your head in the clouds, its all the more important to keep your feet in contact with the earth.
Lastly, a discussion that only has people of like mind can easily become a Greek Chorus of "Yeah, me too " pretty boring huh? As Mark Twain said ( more or less ) "Its the difference of opinion that makes a horse race" I might think that some people have lost the plot or left their brains at home, but I would certainly not insult them and I would always allow that someday someone might prove me wrong... it avoids a lot of "told ya so's "later. In the absence of proof of hybrids, I reserve the right to think that its possible to have a mind so open that you risk the aforementioned brains falling out onto the floor where someone may trip over them ... yuck...

[Aidron]

Well, this thread has lasted so long, I suppose it is time for me to post my thoughts. Prepare yourselves everyone! :lol:


No, I do not think actual faerie 'blood' being in humans is at all possible, not in the scientific sense that some of our genetic make-up if faerie related. Sorry, but the way I view faeries is simply not physically compatible with humans. For one reason, we are upon seperate planes most of the time, not to mentioned in different states of conciousness, and faeries consists of pure energy, where as we are physical, so how would sexual relations be possible? Astral projection? Well, I don't dismiss the idea, anything is certainly possible, but that is not a logical explanation for how physical blood could be appearing in our veins, stemming from faeries.

What I do believe, however, is that many of us may have been faeries in a past life. I do not believe we are confined to merely being born as humans, or even animals. Among the few pagan people I have actually met face to face in my life, well over half of them said I strongly resemble faeries and elves as often portrayed by humans, not to mention in my personality. You know, full of mischief, incessantly laughing, but has a nasty bad side if you piss me off. ;) People who adore faeries, like myself, seem to almost always adore me as well, so perhaps this is an explanation for it. They may very well see something in me that reminds them of the fey, as I know for certain I have been reincarnated as a member of the fey race quite a few times. That is also one way I explain my disdain for people in general, as I have learned in this life at least, most faeries are not too fond of humans in general.

Our physical make-up I have longed believe carries on traces from lives we once lived that were so significant to us, or that we identified with so much, that they simply manifested in our physical appearance in this life.

I simply refuse to believe that our phsyical appearance in this life is entirely random. It's a carefully sculpted puzzle if you ask me, containing traces from significant past lives, among other things.

So, in that sense we do have faerie blood in us, though it is not actual blood, but left over representations. As far as our actual genetic make-up, like I have said (yuck, redundancy, shame on me!) I do not believe it to be possible.


As for those who wish to deem that 'kids' are taught to think this way, whom I shall leave nameless, I am 21, and I was not taught to think this way, I think this way because it is who I am. I do not wish to start a flame war or cause further anxiety amongst this thread, but please do not assume that all of us are merely recycled opinions and thoughts that have been fed to us, or that age has anything to do with maturity, wisdom, or intelligence.

[Fairywolf]

As for those who wish to deem that 'kids' are taught to think this way, whom I shall leave nameless, I am 21, and I was not taught to think this way, I think this way because it is who I am. I do not wish to start a flame war or cause further anxiety amongst this thread, but please do not assume that all of us are merely recycled opinions and thoughts that have been fed to us, or that age has anything to do with maturity, wisdom, or intelligence


Very true. As well as well put. :)

[LittlePerson]

Last night I did a visualization technique. Apparently, my inner temple looks like a woodland hut and my profile of diety is elven. I won't go into the descriptions.
But I have to mention "A Midsummers Night's Dream". I know earthcup did. I think it's totally possible for them to "trick" a human into sleeping with them whether the human knows what they are or not.
Anyway, it's been said that Pan was part fae. And there are a lot of people claiming him to be a god and even where the judeo-christian form of satan comes from with the horns and tail and all. Satan has been shown to be a trickster. Pan was shown to be a trickster. Any connections? I'm not saying some holy books had faeries in them and were rewritten to take them out but, just typing this makes one wonder. After all, there were Jhins, Genies too. Ahh, all this thinking while typing.
Anyway, I think it's totally possible to have elven or faery blood, recognizing they are two different things. And if that can't happen, then surely what others have said about "blessings" can't be far off. Maybe through magickal processes they gave people traits who were kind to them. You know, people who were farmers and left milk out for them. Or smithys that didn't put iron over there doors. Anyhow, this is all left up to the imagination. Where would we be without imagination? Many of us are here in this forum because of it.
If we wanted to live in a world devoid of imagination, we'd all just have kept listening to others to tell us what to believe and where to go to worship that belief.
Here's to open mindedness. Cheers!

[Élistariel]

I'm not saying some holy books had faeries in them and were rewritten to take them out but, just typing this makes one wonder.

Well there were unicorns in the bible, so why not?

[kewlhippiechick]

I voted that I wasn't really sure because I believe that anything is possible and I rule out nothing in this world. Have I ever noticed it? No, not really. But I've never honestly looked...

[goldenriverbreeze]

I believe everything in the universe is connected physically and spiritually. So yes I believe as do I believe we are one with the god and goddess.

[banondraig]

Well there were unicorns in the bible, so why not?
hate to wet-blanket, but the word translated as "unicorn" in the king james bible are thought by modern bible scholars to mean "rhinoceros". after all, your average rhinoceros does have only one horn. remember the kjv is also the version that brought us "thou shalt not suffer a witch to live", which is also a mistranslation. there are n sites all over the web about that one, so i won't go into it.

there are, as i understand, some fae-ish beings in the old testament. haven't read that part myself, so i will leave it at that.

[Memnoch McKiln]

I believe that we can have Faerie or elven blood, if dwarves can, why not elves? and there are some shapeshifting Fae that could have mated with Humans as well.

[Cerulean]

You can see it sometimes. I've seen small delicate people, perhaps with pointy ears, or pointy ears alone, etc. I believe.

[Élistariel]

hate to wet-blanket, but the word translated as "unicorn" in the king james bible are thought by modern bible scholars to mean "rhinoceros". after all, your average rhinoceros does have only one horn. remember the kjv is also the version that brought us "thou shalt not suffer a witch to live", which is also a mistranslation. there are n sites all over the web about that one, so i won't go into it.

there are, as i understand, some fae-ish beings in the old testament. haven't read that part myself, so i will leave it at that.

I'm fully aware of that hon, the "unicorn" also include a type of antelope, oryx, I think. It's not a matter of what WE believe to be fae, but what the people of ancient times believed were fae. I could go into this more, but that would take a while.

[banondraig]

I'm fully aware of that hon, the "unicorn" also include a type of antelope, oryx, I think. It's not a matter of what WE believe to be fae, but what the people of ancient times believed were fae. I could go into this more, but that would take a while.

good point! plus, antelopes are so much prettier than rhinos. :) also goes to explain (if i'm not mangling my biology) why unicorns are usually shown with cloven hooves. i'll leave unicorns there before i wander too far off-topic.

[Muireannach]

I have pointed ears, I seriously do....it's my odd mutation I s'pose

[Aranel]

one of my very close friends i am certain has elven blood in her. she is really tall she has pointed ears she can hear things no-one else can and she can see things that i cant even with brand new glasses. she has a perfect aim and she is really pritty.

i have thought that she was part elf for a very long time. she does seem to agree with me that there is more to her.

she is the nicest person you could wish to know, she has this respect for all nature.

well to me that is proof enough

Blessings and light
Aranel

[Traz Heart]

I belive that Hyperactive people are part Faerie.


Would explain alot about me.

hehehehe

POOF!

[amberwolf]

I think anything is possible and I do believe in The fae and elves plus my daughter has really pointy ears....and the thought of being in a faery bough with legolass sounds quite appealing lol

[Élistariel]

This may sound odd, but could those of you with "pointed ears" post pics of them? I wanna know what you're talking about. As much as I'd like to be "elven" (in a Tolkien sense).. I'm only 5'5.5" wear glasses (contacts dry up and fall out - LOVELY:rolleyes: ) I can hear things other members of my family can't. And my sense of smell, well if you have cinnabon, beware.. lol. It's really great when I can smell smoke, and there isn't even a candle lit, but 5-10 miles down the road, someone is burnin' something in their back yard :eyez: . Actually I'd be half-dwarf. I love caves, gems, rocks... When I was 7/8, and still lived with my mom, my afternoons would be spent sittin' on a huge boulder or ruining her spoons digging in the yard, and I horded rocks. I also have a bit of a "belching problem", that Eirwen calls me "Dwarf" for. Never give me 7up... I've tried archery twice, did it wrong the second time cause I forgot, I held the feathers, and didn't pull back far enough... first time, I made a discovery... arrows can bounce! :lol: It didn't help when I showed a baby pic of my mom to a friend... she looked like a dwarf lol, either that or a cross between a gerber baby and a kewpie doll. See? (I looked like my dad did when he was a baby - when I was a baby)

[Arylon]

Sheesh, people, Lord of the Rings is a work of FICTION! :bangyourh

[Élistariel]

yes, a work of fiction based on previous mythologies. Thus, having a basis in "fairy fact". There was another story of a "ring" before J.R.R. Tolkien was even born. The elves "did exist" in a previous mythology, norse I believe. He added his touch to them, true Arwen, Legolas, Galadriel and the "gang" never existed, but they were based on Tolkien's views of elves/fae.

[LittleRhiannon]

I believe people can have faery blood in them, or something like that. They are *tons* of folk stories about they fay haveing relations with humans and then the children as exchanged for real human babies as changlings. I don't see faeires as little happy winged things (though some have wings), but as nature spirits, physical in a sense, and not quite astral.

People have told me I could be a changling. I don't really have any of the 'classic' faerie traits, but I'm small, fast, like to climb things, good at music, according to friends I look and act like a cat at times, and I spend a lot of time outside in the woods, I feel comfortable there, I even fell asleep once. I also wasn't baptized as a baby, and they say changlings were swapped with babies who weren't baptized. I'm wiry, and my eyes change colors. I'm not saying I'm part elf, but I could see it as possible. It's an interesting idea to think about.

About gentics, well, I'll admit to not know much about it, but they're faeries! We don't know anything about them, whether they have dna or not, or whether they're part divine, ect. In a lot of greek mythology, the gods come down and have children with mortals. Couldn't this happen with faeries too?

Just my view on the subject.

[Arylon]

yes, a work of fiction based on previous mythologies. Thus, having a basis in "fairy fact". There was another story of a "ring" before J.R.R. Tolkien was even born. The elves "did exist" in a previous mythology, norse I believe. He added his touch to them, true Arwen, Legolas, Galadriel and the "gang" never existed, but they were based on Tolkien's views of elves/fae.

Based on previous mythologies, yes, but as I stated in another post, the physical traits that he ascribed to them (pointy ears, great height) are MODERN inventions, not traditional components of folklore. Thus, NO basis in "fairy fact".
Traditional folklore described other imperfections as signs of fairy blood, i.e. Animal parts, a hollow back, etc. If you can produce a single traditional work of fiction that contains the "pointy-eared" ones, maybe I will be more inclined to believe that MW is full of fairy folk.

Okay, I'm walking away from this thread now... :imout:

[LittleRhiannon]

Well, I'm not sure if this counts, but the Brian Froud book FAERIES, which is about all sorts of folklore, has pictures of faeries with pointy ears. I think somewhere in one of my folklore books there is a section about this, I'll check into when I get home from school.

[Arylon]

Well, I'm not sure if this counts, but the Brian Froud book FAERIES, which is about all sorts of folklore, has pictures of faeries with pointy ears. I think somewhere in one of my folklore books there is a section about this, I'll check into when I get home from school.

Again, that is modern artistic interpretation. I do like that book, though. :)

[Tranquility]

I voted yes, but i really realized that i have no idea. As for heightened senses... i think that is my only gift... but boy are they useful!

[LittleRhiannon]

Yes, the ears thing wasn't listed as an attribute in the book, just illustrated. I don't have pointy ears, really, but I always do in pictures. Weird, huh?

My book does say that faeries often have un-human looking eyes, horns, and red ears. Not many people with red ears or horns though.

[Élistariel]

I read somewhere (can't recall where) that "way back when" the Irish kings were made into gods. Not literally of course, but the people "upgraded" them to god status. I hope that made sense.

[Morr]

I personally dont think its possible...
I believe in fairies, etc.. but I see them as other beings living on different planes.. I dont think breeds/spiecies of different beings from different planes & worlds can be mixed...
If we could - imagine the chaos... We'd have mutants...
We as humans are unique in our own way, where as fairies are unique in their own way.. thats the beauty of nature...

Blessings,
Michelle

[banondraig]

I have pointed ears, I seriously do....it's my odd mutation I s'pose

another pointy-eared person! pointy ears run in my family. one of mine is pointy, the other one is sort of a narrow-ended oval, like it tried to be a point, but didn't make it. i notice that people frequently look like they have pointy ears until they turn their head in another direction, but mine *stay* pointy.

[Enchanted Echoes]

I will always be of the opinion that until it can be ruled out completely and totally to MY satisfaction, anything is possible.

[Celticscryer]

:) Well, as one who has fairy blood, I have to say yes, and it shows itself in different ways in differnt people. :)