Wondering about the ascendant

[LostSheep]

yay,

I was reading what Fluffmeister said in another thread , The Ascendant is how you come across to people - chatty, sociable, always on the go in Gemini - but then when people get to know you they see the real Aquarius Sun shining underneath. and I was wondering, if like me you don't know exactly your time of birth and so what your ascendant actually is, could you take a guess at it from what you know about yourself? I was wondering if there's a kind of check list of characteristics that you might be able to match up and see which one fits you best? Only I feel like there's a kind of gap that I'd like to be able to fill if I could.

Sorry to take up your time. Please carry on.

_inabox_

[KEishin]

Absolutely - that's a type of chart called a 'rectification' chart, in which the astrologer rectifies, or goes back and fixes the chart based on important life dates (marriage, graduation, birth of child, lost job, etc) from their client. Those are then compared against the natal chart, which is adjusted to make things fit . . . back and forth until everything makes sense . It's very time-intensive.

It always helps if you have a general idea of when you were born - like in the case of my father, who my grandmother remembers was 'born in the morning, after dawn but before 10am.' I then did charts to see how far the AC moved between those times, which told me it was either Gemini or Cancer, which helped *tremendously* in narrowing down the choices.

As far as a checklist, try http://www.elbertwade.com/page60.html. He's got some neat things to say about discovering one's AC.

Be warned this method is only guessing: if there is a planet closely conjunct the AC, it can skew the 'impression' of the AC strongly towards the latter's nature. Like if you have Pluto on your AC, but have Libra rising. You'll still be Libra, but with that strong Scorpionic twist to you, enough so people might think you Scoprio rising! But give it a try - can't hurt.

PS: You're not taking up anyone's time. It's nice to answer posts on different subjects.

[Fluffmeister]

As Keishin says, it's easy to make a wrong guess though - for a long time I didn't know my birth time. I could have been either Leo or Virgo rising, and as I'm quite pedantic about spelling and like things to be "just right", I thought I might be Virgo rising. But I'm not! (I found my mother's baby book after she died - and there was a handwritten note saying what time I was born).

One thing that can really make a difference is transits to the Ascendant. You'll probably feel Uranus on your Ascendant, for instance - but as that only happens every 84 years, you may have a long wait!

Molly, from Node-o-Rama, gave a useful tip - you can usually feel Mars hitting your Ascendant. He does this every couple of years, and it does seem to fit in my case - while Mars is in my 12th, I'm usually "hiding away". Not always in a negative sense - on one occasion, I was giving my house a mega sorting out - very positive stuff, but no one saw me for a few weeks as I was so busy doing it. When Mars hit my Asc, I'd finished, and came "bursting out" onto the world again!

[belgianmoonguy]

I sometimes doubt my rising
It's 7°47' Virgo... so if i'm born half an hour or an hour back, it could shift to late leo rising...
But then again, i doubt everything...

[business voodoo]

as well, bare in mind that the chart is created from fixing the MC rather than the ascendent, so focusing on fixing the ascendent can be helpful, but an accurate midheaven and then house arrangement is important as well as fixing the ascendent based on physical characteristics. i am not sure how much true affect that has on the chart and i'm sure that fluff or keishin can elaborate on that if it does or does not. however, i find it significant in readings that the chart is fixed at the MC and the houses are calculated to that point rather than to the ascendent. two different focuses that can create a different feel and reading of a chart that is focused on 'locking' the chart based on the ascendent versus the mc ...

but, having said all that ... as i have several longtime clients i work with who are adopted (and thus, their birth records are sealed), as they attain more and more information concerning their birth through their own personal discovery, their charts change and go through their own rectifying ... and whatever chart we happen to be using for the moment is the one that presents the information needed at that moment.

[KEishin]

[quote=business voodoo;2918332]as well, bare in mind that the chart is created from fixing the MC rather than the ascendent, so focusing on fixing the ascendent can be helpful, but an accurate midheaven and then house arrangement is important as well as fixing the ascendent based on physical characteristics. i am not sure how much true affect that has on the chart and i'm sure that fluff or keishin can elaborate on that if it does or does not. however, i find it significant in readings that the chart is fixed at the MC and the houses are calculated to that point rather than to the ascendent. two different focuses that can create a different feel and reading of a chart that is focused on 'locking' the chart based on the ascendent versus the mc ...[\quote]
Could you clarify exactly what you mean by "fixing the MC"? I believe you're referring to how one has to calculate the rest of the houses off the MC value when doing charts by hand, but I want to be sure before I keep going.

[business voodoo]

yes, i am ... and while i realize that now that most of us just "do" charts based on wonderful programmer/mathmatician/astrologers like alois from astrodienst, the basis of the entire structure of the chart is based on the MC versus the ASC ... quite a different perspective when viewing the whole ... focusing so hard on the ASC is indicitive of our times, though.

[KEishin]

yes, i am ... and while i realize that now that most of us just "do" charts based on wonderful programmer/mathmatician/astrologers like alois from astrodienst, the basis of the entire structure of the chart is based on the MC versus the ASC ... quite a different perspective when viewing the whole ... focusing so hard on the ASC is indicitive of our times, though.
Partially that's because the ascendant is so obvious. It's not as easy to pick out an MC sign without seeing their chart. (It's possible, just difficult.) And while we're on the subject . . . when was the last time anybody ever paid attention to the other angles like the Imum Coeli or Descendant? :lol:

I will be among the first to say computers rock! But there's nothing like doing a chart by hand to give you a feel for the individual. I've found that when I do the latter, as I'm going through the process I get a better feel for the individual before I even start drawing diagrams. I'll often see repeated patterns, as I'm going along and the extra time it takes to do it by hand lets it all sink into my brain and mix itself up nicely. It's a great jumpstart to interpretation. When just computers, I have to sit and look at at it for a while to discover the themes.

[business voodoo]

i was speaking of the difference that the MC is true potential and manifestation and the ASC is merely the projection of a personae based on that MC ... i suppose one needs the other and vice versa, but the focus on the personae and perception is so out of balance with what is really the manifestation of your potential these days ... anyway ....

when was the last time anybody ever paid attention to the other angles like the Imum Coeli or Descendant?

are you kidding? but you know me ... i'm weird. it seems like that's all i've been talking about and studying lately ... just not on this forum ...

right now, personally, i have that stellium that's breaking up going over my nadir ... and neptune is crossing over the descedent as it opposes saturn as it retro'd right before my ascendent ... any discussion of the meaning of either the midheaven or ascendent has to include a discussion of the nadir and descendent, respectively ...

[KEishin]

are you kidding? but you know me ... i'm weird. it seems like that's all i've been talking about and studying lately ... just not on this forum ...
I know you would be an exception, but I can't remember the last time I read an article about the IC or saw a published chart that interpreted it clearly. I remember one poor person in RL who was freaking out because she got fired from her job. But she couldn't understand where it came from because Uranus was nowhere near her 6th or 10th houses was instead in her 4th. So she asked me. Umm, the IC is opposite the MC.

right now, personally, i have that stellium that's breaking up going over my nadir ... and neptune is crossing over the descedent as it opposes saturn as it retro'd right before my ascendent ... any discussion of the meaning of either the midheaven or ascendent has to include a discussion of the nadir and descendent, respectively ...
I'm with you there. Anybody who has planets on the angles is going to have them affect them deeply. There's a big difference in two people with 7th house Suns if one of them is on the DC.

[business voodoo]

keishin, you are so right ... there's actually very little written on the MC as well.

if anyone comes to me and says ... "i feel ..." my first look is to the IC & DESC ... they are such internal points of reference ... when giving an explanation for the MC, i said, well ... if your chart was a tree, this is how it is ...

the MC is the tree above the ground ... how high it reaches, how far the branches grow, how thick and full the tree is, where it stands in the forest, meadow or orchard, does it provide shelter or food, is it a home for many or just one, will it become part of the building or stand for all time ...

the AC is the type of tree it is, the kind of leaves it has, whether its an evergreen or whether it loses its leaves, the type of bark it has ... smooth or rough, the way it joins the earth ... does it show its roots or does the grass grow close and near ... what kind of fruit does it bare ...

the IC is the root system beneath the earth ... does it have a long deep tap root, or does it have a system of roots that spread as wide as possible, can it withstand drought or flood, can it break through rocks and pipes ...

the DC is the inner part of the tree ... the rings that you would see if you cut it down ... the inner growth and the part that carries the nutrients from the root system to the most external fruit that grows.

... then we got into a debate about 'persona' ... and then a return to the ascendent discussion in that forum ... perhaps its just easier to talk about those things ... the outer most of our being that interacts with what we perceive as being the most important part of life ... everything 'out there' .... hmmm, definitely, sign of our times.

[RedRose]

Wonderful reading! The tree metaphor is fantastic!

I have Jupiter/Uranus (both retrograde) on my Nadir, Chiron just 10th House of my MC, with Saturn conjunct my Descendent. I actually weight the Ascendent a bit heavier, but perhaps that is because I need to to balance the rest?

I see our Risings as the Genre of our life movie. Set, setting, roles and in some sense "purpose" though MC is more about that. I have a Taurus Rising and I live in a little old fashioned yellow cottage with a great porch and flowers. I grow as much as my own food as I can and I push for alternative currencies and I like simply honest folk and try to be one.

Yet truth is, I am an Aquarius with a Leo Moon so I am not as dull, nor as peaceful as this might at first seem but this is my movie, this is my story - Taurus style.

Want an adventure story? Aries rising folk are the ticket. Cancer Risings are here to create HOME everywhere they go and they are activists for the children seven generation down. Scorpio Rising people live mysterious and elegant spy novel lives, or sophisticated urbane realities. Aquarius rising folk are crazy and dangerous, lets kill them!

Having Saturn on the Descendent (squared Sun Moon and Pluto Mercury oppositions) effects my life movie too. OTHER plays a huge role for me, and "control" is paradoxical this life.

People with strong ICs often are writers. Planets on out IC link us into our ancestrial memories and the universal unconscious, deep myth and Jungian stuff like that. IC folk are the story keepers.

RedRose

[RedRose]

Dear Friends,

Please share what your Rising Sign is and where your Ruling Planet is in your scope. If you don't know, post your horoscope here and we will help you. Does your life fit your Rising Sign? Are you willing to explore and express your Rising Sign for a few months. just to see what happens?

RedRose

[~Elise~]

I'm a Cancer Sun, Moon and Rising... so it's all the same for me.

Elise

[RedRose]

Wow Elise,

I think there is an old thread around here where we discuss you Big 3 in 1 sign people. You are the 4th Triple Cancer I have met this life - you feel it, you really feel it!

How'd you fare through this last Super Full Moon in Scorpio (Oct. 26ish)?

AND please share, where is the MOON located in your chart? The Moon is your Ruling Planet, and how! Where it is located in your Natal Chart will tell us a whole lot about you and your purpose this life.

RedRose

[~Elise~]

Moon is in my 1st house... just barely above the ascendent line--if I'm understanding your question. I'll PM you my birth stats and you can tell me if I got it right.

Elise

[RedRose]

Oh yeah, you are a triple Cancer. Your Moon is conjunct your Rising - like duh. But yes, whether it is in the 12th House or 1st turns out to be quite a big difference.

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From: http://www.astrology-numerology.com/inhouses-moon.html#Twelfth

Moon in Twelfth house
This placement gives a love of introspection and a need for periodic retirement from the confusion and business of the world in general. This placement is going to cause you to feel emotionally isolated from others since it is difficult for you to find emotional stability in other people. You are extremely impressionable and respond to subtle influences of those around you. With such a strong sense of charity, a release is needed to in some way be able to help others. There is opportunity for success in work within large institutions such as hospitals, the government, or large corporations, and usually for the public welfare. While you are subject to emotional chaos, you have serious difficulty expressing your emotions. The twelfth house Moon denotes a need for security that is often fulfilled though withdrawal.

Moon in First house
The Moon in your first house suggests that your feelings are hypersensitive and play a significant role in the definition of your personality. This is a personality that is very malleable. You make easy and quick adjustments to the demands of the moment. It's hard for you to be sure just what to do, because you are continuously in a restless state. It's also hard for you to make long-range plans because of the fluctuations in feelings. Frequent mood changes mark your personality. If you are not busy revising your goals and objectives, you are probably procrastinating and unsure about what you want to do and where you want to go. You are both sensitive and responsive to public opinion, so you are easily influenced by those around you.
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Do either of these fit? They paint the down side more than the up side, but anyway you look at it, being a triple Cancer means being super duper sensitive; an empath.

RedRose

[~Elise~]

Actually to an extent they both fit--I do tend to withdraw when overwhelmed with things to do, (let's not do anything--I think I'd rather do that than do something just halfway) 12th house is actually much closer to me I think, esp. now that I'm a bit older and wiser.
I don't care that much what people think anymore--well, I do, but I don't care as much. It is pretty much what you see is what you get now (and if you don't like it--then toughie toenails to put it politely)
That said--the one thing I've become more intolerant on is people not being the persona that they first present to me. I dislike that A LOT.

and yes, I'm super-duper sensitve... my feelings get hurt a lot more than I show. Another place I tend to shut down... and once I start shutting down, it is damn near impossible to open that channel again.

Elise

[RedRose]

Hi Elise,

It would be great if you would post your chart in the "triplets" thread!

Cancers can always tell when someone is lying. Having Sun/Moon and Rising all in Cancer must make liars look pretty ridiculous to you. You really ARE "what you see" (your Rising) is what people "get" (your Sun and Moon, also in Cancer). Cancers can simply FEEL when people are lying, and also WHY people are lying.

Having a Cancer Rising is the "help the children, save the planet" genre of life-novel. Cancer Risings are known for changing the furniture around, redecorating and for making the whole world Homey. My son has a Cancer Rising with his Sun and Mercury in Gemini in the 12th. Though still a teen, he has already made several movies...he doesn't star in them, he writes and directs them. The behind the scenes making movies part reflects his 12th House Sun in Gemini, but the motivation behind the movies is his Cancer Rising. There is an "adopt the world" and "feed it" purpose to Cancer Rising folks.


RedRose

[RedRose]

Hi Ariste,

From another thread we know you have a Libra Rising, with your chart Ruling planet, Venus, conjunct Moon, in the 8th House. People with Libra Risings are here to create beauty and balance, harmony and justice everywhere they go. In your case you do this by "magic" (8th House), or so it seems.

Living your Rising can really help you because it gives you direction and purpose; things that are hard for you to feel directly (intercepted Sun/Mercury, 9th House in Cancer). Trust you sense of balance and beauty and work with it. You may "feel" that moving a lamp three inches to the left is needful and right; and you will be right about that. Libras and Libra Rising folks talk a lot about "southern light" and the color wheel. They often redecorate everyone's place in their heads, and they can do the same for group dynamics. It is a challenge to NOT let "other people's opinions" over-influence your opinions.

Libra Rising often dress great, love fashion and all that.

RedRose

[Ariste]

Lol my hubby would kill me if I tried to redecorate the house. I'm the mathmatical one that draws up a scale model of everything and says "ok we can get all the furniture we want in this room if we put it in this way. But he is very picky and vetoes my artwork and stuff...though he does let me have my dragons. I am hoping when we move hopefully later in the winter or early in the spring, we'll get a place big enough for me to carve out my own little space. Right now all I have is my desk and half a closet. He just takes over.

[Shatril]

hehehehe, I have Libra on the ascendant, but my house is the last thing on my mind. However, I am a clothes horse, love to DRESS-UP. I never outgrew that. I do have a tendency to try to dress everyone, and most of them like it, but not all.

[Ariste]

Yeah my style is constantly changing....right now I don't have alot of clothes that fit, and I've opted to buy books over clothing this week....come to think of it a couple people do still owe me bday presents...maybe I'll see if i can get them to take me shopping... I need a pair of maternity bibs...They may not be stylish but they're SOOOOOOOOOOOOOO comfy. And some nice warm shirts...lol I tried on my sweatshirts and sweaters the other day only 2 of em even began to cover my belly.

[RedRose]

Ariste,

You're pregnant, how wonderful!

Having space to call you own where you can have it anyway you wish will be very empowering for you, I predict. We all deserve a room of our own, especially Moms. I pray you move into the perfect place, with prosperity to spare soon.

Here is a canned description of Libra Rising fior you and Shatril to consider:

http://www.cafeastrology.com/zodiaclibra.html

Everybody seems to like Libra Ascendant natives. They just come across as nice, pleasant, and fair. Look a little closer at their lives, and these nice people may have had quite a few problems in their relationships. Some of them have had a string of relationships, and it can be hard to imagine why! These natives attract others to them effortlessly. Besides, they simply don't know what to do with themselves without a significant other.

Libra rising generally appear to be smoothing everything over. They have charming smiles, a gentle approach with others, and an easygoing image. Even if they were not endowed with good looks, they are attractive. Most pay a lot of attention to their personal appearance -- the colors they wear, their hair, the way they walk.

Libra rising people can be enormously persuasive, although they will almost always use a "soft sell" approach when they want to win others over, which is all of the time! A tendency to pass the buck and keep up that "nice guy/gal" image are their worst qualities. However, they can make excellent mediators and will generally be the first to accommodate you.

Libra rising natives are usually attracted to competent, active partners. Their relationships are often characterized by bickering or competitiveness until they learn to drop their sweet image once in a while and to stop blaming their partners for everything that goes wrong. More on Libra Rising.

Some Famous People with a Libra Ascendant: Jennifer Aniston, Britney Spears, Jon Bon Jovi, Leonardo DiCaprio, Neil Diamond, Shari Lewis, Suzanne Somers, Erich Segal, Paula Abdul, and Anne Heche are celebrity examples of the Ascendant in Libra. Also, Freddie Prinze Jr. has a Libra Ascendant with Pluto rising.

[Ariste]

ok whats the difference between ascendant and rising?

[RedRose]

Good question! They are the same. The Ascendant and your Rising mean exactly the same thing. At the moment you were born, the sign Libra was "rising" over the horizon.

Another important thing to mention about Libra ASCs is that "equal relationships" is the goal. Libras Rising folk can be too nice and avoid taking a stand for yourselves. You make great Bosses but stay away from being submissive.

RedRose

[Ariste]

lol ok i was confused cause it said the one guy was libra rising with pluto ascendant or vice versa...but then I realized Libra is a sign/constellation and pluto is a planet and they're treated differently right? I woke up with a migraine strength sinus headache this morning so I'm a little slow.

[RedRose]

Ah yes,

First of all, you go rest.

In astro-slang when someone says a planet is "Rising" they mean it is conjunct the ASC. "Pluto Rising" = Pluto conjunct ASC.

RedRose

[Shatril]

OMG :rollingla I should have read that before. Boy do I resemble this. Whoever wrote that has me pegged to a T.

:hugz: Shatril

Ariste,

You're pregnant, how wonderful!

Having space to call you own where you can have it anyway you wish will be very empowering for you, I predict. We all deserve a room of our own, especially Moms. I pray you move into the perfect place, with prosperity to spare soon.

Here is a canned description of Libra Rising fior you and Shatril to consider:

http://www.cafeastrology.com/zodiaclibra.html

Everybody seems to like Libra Ascendant natives. They just come across as nice, pleasant, and fair. Look a little closer at their lives, and these nice people may have had quite a few problems in their relationships. Some of them have had a string of relationships, and it can be hard to imagine why! These natives attract others to them effortlessly. Besides, they simply don't know what to do with themselves without a significant other.

Libra rising generally appear to be smoothing everything over. They have charming smiles, a gentle approach with others, and an easygoing image. Even if they were not endowed with good looks, they are attractive. Most pay a lot of attention to their personal appearance -- the colors they wear, their hair, the way they walk.

Libra rising people can be enormously persuasive, although they will almost always use a "soft sell" approach when they want to win others over, which is all of the time! A tendency to pass the buck and keep up that "nice guy/gal" image are their worst qualities. However, they can make excellent mediators and will generally be the first to accommodate you.

Libra rising natives are usually attracted to competent, active partners. Their relationships are often characterized by bickering or competitiveness until they learn to drop their sweet image once in a while and to stop blaming their partners for everything that goes wrong. More on Libra Rising.

Some Famous People with a Libra Ascendant: Jennifer Aniston, Britney Spears, Jon Bon Jovi, Leonardo DiCaprio, Neil Diamond, Shari Lewis, Suzanne Somers, Erich Segal, Paula Abdul, and Anne Heche are celebrity examples of the Ascendant in Libra. Also, Freddie Prinze Jr. has a Libra Ascendant with Pluto rising.

[RedRose]

Hi Shatril,

So where is your Venus? (Venus is Shatril's Ruling Planet because Venus rules Libra and Shatril has a Libra Rising.)

When I think of the genre of life- movie that Libra Rising folk are here to live, I often think of the book and film, "Cold Comfort Farm". Libra Risings very gracefully civilize us and bring about world peace, all in a beautiful garden setting. "The Libra revolution will be catered."

RedRose

[Shatril]

My Venus is at 28° 44' Gemini conjunct Uranus at 28° 47' of Gemini both in the 9th house. They are not near the MC as they are 11° away. My moon is also in Gemini 7° 3'. I already know what this means, however, I would love to hear your take on this. The only aspect in all of that is the conjunction and Venus is Semi-Square Pluto.

Hope you're having fun with this. As the housekeeper here, I"ve got my Vaccuum and dustbuster out. Getting some organization going here.

:hugz: Shatril_pounce_

[RedRose]

Hi Shatril and all,

How fun to get to know each other through astrology, my Sister. Great way to introduce ourselves as new Forum Guides too.

Knowing someone's Rising Sign, and what and where their Ruling Planet is, tells us so much! Shatril is a Leo Sun. We know that too, but knowing her ASC and Ruling Planet tell us what sort of life she has, what genre of life-movie she is creating and the Ruling Planet tells us the how and where.

Join in. What sign is your ASC and where is your Ruling Planet. For beginners, simply post your scopes and we will tell you!

Now who was it that said, "Libras are just Aries who have gone to charm school."?

Libra Risings make fabulous bosses because they have an artisitic and sublime sense of organization based on equality. I have an Aquarius Sun so I like Libra Risings (Trine relationship). I can't wait to see what Shatril has in mind for this space.

Also my Rising is Taurus. Who was it who said, "Taurus's are just Scorpios wearing housecoats."? Since Libra and Taurus are both ruled by Venus, Shatril and I have the same Ruling Planet - Venus! She is here to do the work of Air Venus and I am here on behalf of Earth Venus. So I will be down here in the trenches, serving tea and cookies and astrological tips, while Shatril revamps the whole place.

Shatril wishes to hear my take on her ASC and Ruling Planet and I wish to hear her take on mine too (though I may have to wait because she is so busy redecorating). Feel free to post interpretations too.

I have a Taurus Rising with Venus 1* Capricorn/ Ceres 2* Capricorn/North Node 3* Capricorn in my 8th House.

RedRose

[RedRose]

Shatril's Libra Rising ruled by Venus conjunct Uranus, in Gemini, in the 9th House.

When two planet are conjunct, they merge and become more powerful than they were as separated energies. Shatril's Venus and Uranus are right on top of each other, and their combined glow rules her chart. Electric Venus, and chatty (Gemini) - a teacher (9th House) and explorer who is ahead of her times (Uranus) and probably into the most advanced technologies (Gemini and Uranus).

Let's start with that Electric Venus, Goddess Lightening thang:

From http://cafeastrology.com/natal/venusuranusaspects.html

Venus conjunct Uranus

People with a Venus-Uranus conjunction in their natal charts are usually very magnetic, intriguing, and dynamic individuals. They value friendship in love and sincerity of feelings is the most important quality for them. These are people who will turn their nose at marriage, saying that it's how people feel about each other that counts more than a marriage certificate. Although friendly and usually quite willing to make friends with people from all walks of life, there is an impersonal and noncommittal manner to them that is unmistakable. They despise social pretenses. Despite the fact that they firmly believe that popularity is much less important than sincerity, they are often rather popular people. They love to be different, and in many ways they are open-minded when it comes to love and romance. Still, they can be quite argumentative and sometimes uncooperative--even downright inflexible--when it comes to their own "inner code" and honoring it. They are not as adaptable to others' expectations of them as their freedom-loving beliefs might imply. In other words, although they easily accept many different people into their lives, they cling tightly to their own ways of living. Some fear compromise, seeing it as a loss of self or a loss of individuality. Their taste and "style" is different and original. This can extend to choice of dress as well as taste in art, furniture, movies, and so forth. Sometimes Uranus is projected, and the partners that these people are attracted to display the Uranian traits of independence, originality, unreliability, inconsistency, and freedom-loving. Ex-lovers of Venus-Uranus natives may complain that these people didn't truly value the relationship. In love and with regards to the erotic, the most appealing things can be what hasn't been done or what "shouldn't" be done. Mixing things up and experimentation are important to Venus-Uranus people.


Once you find the spiritual teaching that suits you, you are totally and forever hooked into it. Until that happens, you may start and end many times. When you are on the right path, beginnings and endings around you become cyclical milestones in the development of your personal belief system.

Some Famous People with Venus conjunct Uranus: Christina Aguilera, Tori Amos, Elizabeth Taylor, Warren Beatty, Harry Belafonte, Betty Ford, Heather Locklear, Bill Moyers, Johnny Cash, Kathy Bates, Erma Bombeck, Donovan.

[Shatril]

Hi Shatril and all,

How fun to get to know each other through astrology, my Sister. Great way to introduce ourselves as new Forum Guides too.

Knowing someone's Rising Sign, and what and where their Ruling Planet is, tells us so much! Shatril is a Leo Sun. We know that too, but knowing her ASC and Ruling Planet tell us what sort of life she has, what genre of life-movie she is creating and the Ruling Planet tells us the how and where.

Join in. What sign is your ASC and where is your Ruling Planet. For beginners, simply post your scopes and we will tell you!

Now who was it that said, "Libras are just Aries who have gone to charm school."?

Libra Risings make fabulous bosses because they have an artisitic and sublime sense of organization based on equality. I have an Aquarius Sun so I like Libra Risings (Trine relationship). I can't wait to see what Shatril has in mind for this space.

Also my Rising is Taurus. Who was it who said, "Taurus's are just Scorpios wearing housecoats."? Since Libra and Taurus are both ruled by Venus, Shatril and I have the same Ruling Planet - Venus! She is here to do the work of Air Venus and I am here on behalf of Earth Venus. So I will be down here in the trenches, serving tea and cookies and astrological tips, while Shatril revamps the whole place.

Shatril wishes to hear my take on her ASC and Ruling Planet and I wish to hear her take on mine too (though I may have to wait because she is so busy redecorating). Feel free to post interpretations too.

I have a Taurus Rising with Venus 1* Capricorn/ Ceres 2* Capricorn/North Node 3* Capricorn in my 8th House.

RedRose


Too cute an Aries that went to Charm School. Yep that would be me.

Ya know the Air and Earth work well together. I don't have on planet in an Earth Sign, and it is apprent in most things that I do. I tend to be a big picture person, but lack the grounding to work out the details necessary to bring the picture together.

This will be a good relationship.

Taurus oh how easy to get along with you. Seems you aren't particularly interested in jaming anything down anyones throat, but you hold steadfastly to your own beliefs and opinions. Did someone say change, OMG NOT. I always eat toast for breakfast and why would I change that. Generally you have all the creature comforts you like, and materially you have nice things, and the leisure to enjoy them. However, when you work you can be very intense. You tend to stew over future security. You are bestowed with grace charm and love of pleasure, art and adornment.

Your relationships are intense, but you are cautious about who you form that relationship with. You may be a possessive lover, but you keep that hidden really well. You might inherit money from your partners. Your Ceres here may help you to break away from relationships that just aren't working, but it would still be hard for you.

I just don't know enough about the nodes to make anything on that. Sorry. However, that does form a Stelleum which makes your relationships really intense. And from what little I do know of the node, this would also ramp up those attributes of the 8th house.

Sorry this seems so cryptic to me. Let's me know what that says to you. My comfort zone is violated here. :rollingla Also, what did I miss?

:hugz: Shatril

Shatril

[RedRose]

Hi Shatril.

It is the karma of Grand Fix Cross types, like me, to not wish to chnage but to be forced to anyway. We learn to cling only to The Cross, so to speak. I mean this as surrneder to the Divine and also as clinging only to what REALLY matters, letting everything else go. To make this Path even harder, usually no one agrees with us. We seem horribly stubborn about strange things. If toast works for our body, we will not substitute Sushi - because we will barf. Three ounces of booze, and I get the whirlies so bad....so I drink little - just a wee dram occasionally. If I get too humble, I get smacked. If I get egotistical, all hell breaks loose. I am not allowed a credit card. Did that as a kid once, and have been committed to cash and barter even since.

Balance and authenticity and peace is found in the middle of the hub for Grand Fixed Cross folks. We are Yoked and we only make it by GRACE! So let the weather change, and money come and go, and power rise and lights go out, and come on - hold to the things that really matter.

I mention Grand Fix Crossiness because we have been going through this huge Grand Fixed Cross in the sky thing. The big lesson is LET GO of the little stuff, downsize and start a window box, plant a salad garden....simplify down to what is really important. Move closer to your grandkids, that sort of thing....

Live Light.

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Looking at you, Shatril, with Libra Rising and Venus/Uranus in 9th House, that is quite Charismatic. Venus conjunct Uranus is radical Goddess in the House of Higher Mind and Sagely-Aware-ius! Makes me think of arch-angels and Boddhisattvas! Bringing the Goddess energy in through communiction, ala Gemini. Do you channel angels or the like?

The mysterious 8th House, is more classically "Pagan" and witchy. Venus conjunct NN in the 8th House is the sign of the Tantrika. In my case, however, being in Queenly Capricorn Venus and all, I am monogamous and purely private, but I teach sex education classes from time to time.

I tend to see the 7th House as the house of friendships; like your best girlfriends and all one on one relationships. I don't see it so much as the House of marriage, as the house of weddings! The 7th House is Libra-Lovely.

Deep relationship, soul merger, Divine marriage, happen in the 8th House - yes?

The 8th House and the 9th House are "spirtual houses". The 8th House is more psychological and passionate - the 9th House is more transcendental and philosophical. We all have both Houses, of course.

However, Shatril has incarnated to bring beauty and harmony and flow to the planet (Libra Rising). She has been gifted with superpowers (Venus conjunct Uranus) in 9th House ways. She may be a dancer, or artist, or musician - definately a mystic. Futuristic, way ahead of her time! A visionary....

I have incarnated to bring simple homey values and exquisite intimacy to the planet (Taurus Rising) and my ruling planet is also Venus, but in the 8th House conjunct Ceres and my NN. I am a simple witch and astrologer (astrology is considered an 8th House art/science).

RedRose

[RedRose]

Hi Luaine and all,

We are peaking into Luaine's scope in "Chart Requests" and she has a Capricorn Rising with Saturn in Sagely-Aware-ius, conjunct Uranus, also in Sag. all on the cusp of her 12th House. This Saturn/Uranus conjunction is Trined her Leo Sun, and both Saturn and Uranus are retrograde.

Lets unpack this slowly.

First of all lets look at what kind of life-movie Capricorns live. Capricorns Ascendant folks are here to build something that will last long long after they die. This process takes years of steady work and commitment. Capricorns almost always succeed too but often late in life.


From: http://www.cafeastrology.com/zodiaccapricorn.html


There's a seriousness to Capricorn rising people that is unmistakable. Even when they're joking around, it's of the deadpan variety. In fact, plenty of very humorous people have Capricorn Ascendants. It's all in the timing...and the fact that they don't giggle before the joke is over.

Capricorn Ascendant people project competence. They simply ooze it. They're generally very image-conscious people—the clothes they wear and their manner are a big deal to them. They want to appear successful, and they generally succeed!

Often the Ascendant persona is the one that was forced upon us by family conditioning. For example, parents may label their Libra Ascendant child the "nice" one; their Aries Ascendant child the "independent" one; and their Pisces Ascendant child is generally the space cadet of the family. We adopt these roles as familiar ones, and often carry them with us as our defense mechanisms, in some way or another, for the rest of our lives. In the case of Capricorn Ascendants, these were the children who were considered the responsible ones. Sometimes, it was they themselves who looked around them and felt the need to be the structured, dependable, and responsible members of the family. So, often, Capricorn rising people adopted a strong sense of tradition, family, and responsibility at a very young age.


RedRose

[RedRose]

Hi Luaine,

So, because you have a Capricorn Rising we know you are here to build something and leave it behind for those who come after you this life. The "what, where and how" questions are indicated by your scope's Ruling Planet. Saturn rules Capricorn, and in your case it is conjunct Uranus and the cusp of your 12th House.

Now again, anytime two planets merge in a conjunction, especially if one of them is an "outer planet"(Uranus, Neptune or Pluto) then "super-powers" happen. The two planets combined are examples of synergy - they create extra juju by uniting.

Your Saturn is retrograde. A retrograde Satrun is quite a lot like Uranus. You are "counter-cultural", you are an unusual, maybe even an eccentric person (me too). There is a whole mini-gereration of you Satrun/Uranus wizards. GOOGLE: Saturn conjunct Uranus" Here is one description from: http://www.astrologyweekly.com/astrological-aspects/saturn-conjunct-uranus.php

During the twentieth century, the conjunction aspect was made during 1942 and in 1988. It offers the possibility of an effective balance between these two antagonistic planets. Apart from those born under this aspect, the energy released into the collective mind at these times can aid in the interplay between forces of order and chaos, conceivably bringing the opposites into equilibrium and allowing a space for something new to be born.

For the individual with this aspect, there should be the ability to fuse ideas with practical application, to ground and anchor those sometimes slightly intangible and ephemeral Uranian ideas, thus transferring the, from the level of mind into material existence. You should be able to take advantage of your personal resources and talents; and these can be effectively expressed through efficient organisation. The flow of Uranian energy should seem more consistent and reliable; and you will be able to apply persistence and focused will to achieve your objectives. Often, you will find enjoyment from becoming involved in situations where you can create order from chaos. Whilst this may appear Saturnian in nature, Uranus is not chaotic for the sake of it, but is only disruptive in order to create the conditions for a higher order to be superimposed.

You can function in a 'bridging role', carefully restoring a balance between order and change, and re-integrating this into a new structure which is an improvement on the previous one. In modern life, where so many changes are occurring so quickly, such a role can be most important, and utilises both of these planetary characteristics in a positive way. You have a sympathetic understanding of the past, and of the values and attitudes of conservative stability, yet also intuit and appreciate the necessity of change and evolving of social structures, organisations and individual development. You will try to integrate these threads, uniting what is worth retaining from the past with the ideas of the next step forward. Doing this, you work with both your intellect and intuitional faculties, and so reflect the next stage in human development towards the consciousness of unity.

You are likely to prefer a form of expression that involves a social contribution over and above mere participation in society; you would like to feel that you have some influence in improving things, and that your preoccupation is not totally for personal gain. This need can often give you a sense of direction in your life, and one which can absorb both of these planetary energies. If you begin to feel that you are having to keep down inner pressures of certain kinds, perhaps through a lack of channels to release them into, then it is a likely sign that you are not fluently expressing both the energies. Look at your life pattern and see which one is being repressed. In most cases, this would be the Uranus energy, as the Saturn energy, which is one of order and discipline, is often expressed through social conditioning. To free this blocked energy, more spontaneity, more experimentation, and exploration of new interests, would help. These would stimulate needed changes to happen, and so break down any fixed lifestyle patterns that are becoming inhibiting. If the Saturn energy is repressed, more self-discipline, commitment and perseverance to achieving your objectives would help. If the lifestyle lacks control, too much freedom could also lead to a loss of personal centre and stability, leaving you feeling lost and unsure of what to do or in which direction to travel. You will need to draw through the Saturn qualities of boundary-making and structure, so that your life and inner nature begin to take distinct form again, creating a stable foundation from which to work.
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Next we will look at the 12th House and then put it all together. My point in this thread is to show how much we can see about people lives just by looking at the Ascendant (Rising) and the placement of the Ruling Planet.

RedRose

PS - I invite others to share your Rising signs and Ruling planets here, or simply post your scope and we will interpret these things for you.

[RedRose]

RainInnana,

First thing I see when I look at your chart is it's bucket shape, with Chiron as the handle planet. This makes you too a Chironic person. Chiron on the Angles or a Chiron handle in a Bucket chart, or Chiron conjunct other planets mark us as Astrologers, Healers, Warriors, and Teachers this life. Sounds great except for that damn wound thing.

All the planets in that Bowl focus and express through Chiron in the 4th in Taurus. I am sorry, because this is such an ouchy primal wound. You may have been the victim of serious child abuse or ignored totally or full out shunned in your family. You may never see healing in your family but you will heal others loneliness and isolation to their core; just by being there.

OK, now for some straight up Good News.

Sagittarius Rising, conjunct Neptune, with Ruling Planet Jupiter, conjunct Mars in Virgo on the cusp of the 9th House! YUMMMMMM! Wow even.

Sagely-Aware-ius Rising people have charisma. They are global citizens and often they travel all around the world, a new country every year...that sort of thing. These people incarnated to live a Travel and Exploration Life Movie. Those that do not in truth travel, are arm chair pilots. They explore ideas, and books, and they are artists, or philosophers. or Shamans.

Now expand all that and add lots of faery dust...Neptune in Sag, conjunct ASC. First of all, people see RainInanna all sorts of ways, which may have nothing to do with who she really is. She is a shape-shifter. Costuming can completely change her impact, or she can be invisable when she chooses. She can come across as spacey, but with all that Earth...no way.

RainInnana's Ruling Planet is Jupiter which is conjunct Mars. She is a Creativity BOMB. She is an artist, with tons of "IT" - very charismatic! Holy Smokes!

RedRose

[RainInanna]

Thanks RR, I appreciate the different perspective from someone more knowledgeable and experienced. It is nice to hear there's some good stuff to learn about my chart :lol:

If anything starting to learn astrology has really taken the "not sure if this stuff is real" right out of me. I couldn't possibly deny some of the stuff that is so clear on my chart.

I think conjunctions might be my next study topic :)

[RedRose]

Hello Agaliha,

Virgo Rising, Libra Sun conjunct Mercury, and a Pisces Moon on the Descendant - Ahhhhhhhhhhh. You are so sensitive and sweet. Wow. This means basically, "people are important" and "people break your heart". I hope you have a good dog or cat friend to remind you that beings can be faithful and true. Humans, however, are usually a mess. I know this is hard, but expect to be betrayed and expect for this to hurt every single time. You are a Healer and teacher this life. With Venus and also Mars conjunct the Rising, you are extremely attractive, with a Pisces Moon - you feel everything. Psychic , you are psychic, especially on behalf of your friends, lovers, enemies this life.

Virgo Rising folk live lives of great service; they are called to be Healers. They either heal the environment, or they heal systems, or they are literally doctors, nurses, therapists, or holistic healers. Your Ruling planet is Mercury which is conjunct your Sun in the 2nd House. You are very smart and you bring harmony and beauty to the Earth and you NEED Nature. I hope you will try out gardening this life.

I am going to go find two old threads that you might enjoying reading. One is simply about Libra Suns and the other is about Pisces Moon....

RedRose

http://www.astrology-numerology.com/sun-moon7.html

Libra Sun/Pisces Moon

The combination of your Sun sign and your Moon sign produces a personality with much breadth and scope. In your quiet, pensive way, you are always watching, staring, observing, and mulling over in your mind what you have seen. You are extremely sensitive, and there is much more to you than ever really meets the eye. Pisces is highly receptive and deep. You are quite timid for social Libra, and most will consider you one who stands off and is aloof or distant. As suggested, the Libra influence pulls against this tendency because it is the most sociable of signs. These contradictory pulls in your nature make you very difficult for others to understand. Reserve and shyness seem your main strengths. You are not a social hermit only because a core of strength within you that urges you to become involved in life instead of sitting on the sidelines. In group situations, unlike many Libra types, you don't overwhelm others with your polite charm and outgoing personality. Instead you express a quiet, reserved manner that seems to take no effort on your part no matter how much activity is going on around you. You have a genuine concern for others and you can convey this to them. You are a superb listener. You are an idea person, but not necessarily an idealist. You get along with moderate effort, relying on your good sense. Perhaps a sixth sense helps you in many of your endeavors as you can grasp abstractions and intricacies, both mentally and emotionally. You are good at guesses and always a good detective.

[RedRose]

Brightspark,

People with Gemini Risings have charisma. You life movie is about networking and linking people and communication. It is common to be a Shape Shifter, that is, to have the ability to look different at different times. Being a good mimic and having acting abilities are common with Gemini Rising folk.

Now remember when you read the description below that you come across a bit different to others a bit different from who you are inside. You are not flighty, for instance....

http://www.astrology-numerology.com/housecusp-1st.html#Gemini

Gemini
Life is never the least bit dull when Gemini is in the rising position because this sign produces a personality that is so witty and clever. Unfortunately, the nature is also anxious, high-strung and diffusive. With this lively sign on the rise, you need constant mental stimulation. This is because you cannot stand the thought of being bored, not even for a minute. You want to keep yourself surrounded with people, activities, and exciting situations. You are happiest when you are very busy and fully engaged in a variety of activities. Gemini is a mental or air sign, and you are by nature very active mentally. You identify with ideas and consider yourself essentially a mental person.
You are friendly and adaptable, but at times you can be temperamental and a little indecisive. Although you appear confident, inner assurance is not a natural trait. Your disposition is good when you can manage to stay calm and serene.

You are a wonderful conversationalist, and many natives of this sign become writers, reporters or active in some phase of communication. Mercury is the ruling planet of your horoscope since Mercury is the planetary ruler of Gemini. Like the metallic chemical mercury, you are slippery and quick, extremely hard to pin down. Gemini is clever. You can out talk, out think and outsmart most people you meet.

Physically, you are agile and well coordinated. Nervous activity keeps you slender. Your enthusiasm for change is a trait that makes you perpetually young and progressive of mind, even as you grow older.

The symbol for Gemini is the twins, and this symbol depicts a duality in your nature. There is a tendency to be somewhat fickle. You can handle more than one job at a time. You tend to dart from one topic to another, from one task to the next, in and out of relationships. You are a collector of trivia and random information. With a Gemini Ascendant, you may indeed be a walking encyclopedia.

[RedRose]

Agaliha,

You have a Virgo Rising with Venus and Mars conjuncting it, in the 1st House. Your Ruling planet Mercury is conjunct the Sun.... this is a lot to compute (again your scope is deep and wide) so let's do it bit by bit....

From www. astrology-numerology.com:

Virgo
The sign Virgo is ruled by the planet Mercury. Virgo is an earth sign, suggesting a practical approach to life. Mercury expresses mental energies. Thus, this rising sign is known for its practical approach, objectivity, basic detail, and analysis. Virgo rising produces a personality often on the quiet side, somewhat unassuming, and never crude or coarse.

With Virgo on the rise, you possess a mental acumen expressed in everyday practical affairs. Analytical and methodical in everything you do, you are very systematic in developing ideas and seeing projects through to completion. You are careful to notice details. So much so there is rarely a flaw in anything you do. Your mind is the epitome of neatness and order, absorbing facts and tidbits like a squirrel storing away nuts for the winter. You are a master at handling all the boring nit-picking matters others want to avoid. There is a tendency for you to become something of a workaholic, going over the same ground to be sure you haven't missed anything. You probably are a list-maker, wanting to have everything you need at hand. Everything should have a place and everything should be in its place for you to be comfortable.

As you love detail, you also love precision and order. You're refined in your conduct and demeanor. Unassuming in your behavior, you can be so modest that you may not get the credit you deserve. There is a tendency to hide behind an inquiring mind and stay out of the lead. You prefer the role of researcher, observer, critic, or teacher.
You can become very restless and nervous, having difficulty learning to relax. Your restlessness, combined with a critical nature, sometimes results in picayune fault findings. Despite the tendency to be a little fussy, Virgo rising is rarely mean or ugly. Even the tendency to criticize is just a bad habit formed early in life as a defense mechanism.
There is a tendency to focus on what is in the immediate present, often neglecting to form a vision for the future. You feel comfortable living in a world of facts and you tend to arm yourself with intellectual awareness to combat natural feelings of insecurity.

Venus conjunct Mars

The conjunction between Venus and Mars shows a strong desire nature needing expression. You are the aggressor in relationships with the opposite sex, and you are ever eager and aggressive in making social contacts, as well. Artistic endeavors may be an active outlet for your hyperactive nature.

First House Venus

Venus near the Ascendant suggests the help that Venus provides is apt to be most noticeable in your personality and in the way you relate to others. This suggests you possess a generous portion of personal grace, a pleasing manner, and a normally friendly demeanor. The effect of this placement helps you become more socially outgoing and you have a generally happy outlook on life. Your personality strives to develop friendships and relationships. This is a considerable advantage to you in business and social contacts. You appreciate the good things in life, and you expect them. You may have to guard against a degree of vanity in your makeup.

First House Mars

The Mars first house placement intensifies the assertiveness of the personality type described by your Ascendant. With any Ascendant, Mars in the first house increases the vitality, and produces a somewhat more assertive, more outgoing, and more energetic individual.

Your appearance is likely to be robust and muscular and you may be stronger that other members of your family of the same sex. You are always one to be directly involved in affairs; never an idle bystander. This element produces drive and creates more ambition and the aptitude for hard work, with a competitive drive for recognition and acclaim.

This position is usually considered, by traditionalists, to be more desirable for men than for women, because it displays the assertive characteristics associated with males. Females with this placement often have the self-confidence and competitive traits to enter and succeed in male dominated professions.

[RainInanna]

Just thinking more info on my Sagittarius rising. I think I've spent way too much time thinking about all my planets in Capricorn. Seeing the calling of Leo, and pro's of Sagittarius, is interesting. It makes me feel like I could become a much more sociable confident person if I risked more by speaking up. In particular Sagittarius rising makes me think of rich exuberance, enjoying the sensation of good food/drink/art/dancing/etc., and inspiration. Someone I used to love I realize exhibited very Sagittarian tendencies such as being noble, kind-hearted, outgoing, witty, and "grand", along with desiring complete freedom, ongoing progress, and a strong sense of justice. Maybe I appreciated it so much because it's something I would like to cultivate in myself (Jungian projection).

[Shatril]

Just thinking more info on my Sagittarius rising. I think I've spent way too much time thinking about all my planets in Capricorn. Seeing the calling of Leo, and pro's of Sagittarius, is interesting. It makes me feel like I could become a much more sociable confident person if I risked more by speaking up. In particular Sagittarius rising makes me think of rich exuberance, enjoying the sensation of good food/drink/art/dancing/etc., and inspiration. Someone I used to love I realize exhibited very Sagittarian tendencies such as being noble, kind-hearted, outgoing, witty, and "grand", along with desiring complete freedom, ongoing progress, and a strong sense of justice. Maybe I appreciated it so much because it's something I would like to cultivate in myself (Jungian projection).

Often those things that we admire in others are things that we are striving to cultivate in our own lives. I suggest that you probably exhibit these qualities, but it is a lot harder to see them in oneself. (It is like: "Easier to spot the mote in someone's eye, than to find the log in your own.") You have all the signs and placements to be more outgoing, but look at Mecury for the speaking up for yourself thing. This is where you may find the verbalizing things, there may be something of a clue there, if it isn't there also look at the mother father stuff of Saturn and the Moon. Even if you don't find anything it sounds like you think you have a verbilization problem, so you may also want to take a look at the 5.1 Throat Chakra stuff in the Chakra COT to get some tips on improving that aspect. Remember, you can act on any of the negative tendencies to either improve or eliminate them. Our Free Will reigns.

:hugz: Shatril

[RedRose]

RainInanna,

It is never too late to have a happy childhood!

I am not looking at your scope at this moment, but I know you are going through your 1st Saturn Return (age almost 30). I resisted my Taurus Rising until my own 1st Saturn Return. I simply didn't like it, or understand it. Years later, approaching my 2nd Saturn Return, I am so happy I live in a little cottage and grow my own food, and preach fine living through elegant simplicity.

Consider traveling, writing, art, and going back to college, teaching, mysticism.... You will likely be remembered for who you are in your prime (your 30s, 40s, 50s) so be a Sag Rising - who better?

RedRose

[RainInanna]

I suggest that you probably exhibit these qualities, but it is a lot harder to see them in oneself...

You may be right. I'm beginning to think I've just assumed I'm shy and socially inept, and bemoaned it, rather then exploring elsewhere in my chart and life.

You have all the signs and placements to be more outgoing, but look at Mecury for the speaking up for yourself thing.

I have Mercury in Capricorn, intercepted in my first house. Maybe that's why I put limits on my ability to communicate. Like it's a self-fulfilling prophecy to a degree.

you may also want to take a look at the 5.1 Throat Chakra stuff in the Chakra COT to get some tips on improving that aspect. Remember, you can act on any of the negative tendencies to either improve or eliminate them. Our Free Will reigns.

Thank you, I didn't think of that, I will definitely look. Time to stop bemoaning my weaknesses and just deal with them.


Consider traveling, writing, art, and going back to college, teaching, mysticism.... You will likely be remembered for who you are in your prime (your 30s, 40s, 50s) so be a Sag Rising - who better?

Ok, thank you for the suggestion, I am starting to work on Sagittarius for sure. It seems like it will be really fun. I didn't pay enough attention to it before! IIRC my north node and south suggest letting go of fitting in and taking a chance to "let my light shine", so I'll go there.

As an aside, I've been posting thoughts about my own chart, and feel like I've seemed a bit self-centered. But I didn't want to go and try to interpret others being so new and unskilled. But would it be ok for me to give it a go and offering thoughts and ideas about other charts? Or am I just out of line? I'm wondering if people are thinking "oh god, there goes Rain talking about herself again".

[Shatril]

As an aside, I've been posting thoughts about my own chart, and feel like I've seemed a bit self-centered. But I didn't want to go and try to interpret others being so new and unskilled. But would it be ok for me to give it a go and offering thoughts and ideas about other charts? Or am I just out of line? I'm wondering if people are thinking "oh god, there goes Rain talking about herself again".

OMG don't you worry about talking about yourself. That is how you learn new things. This is a decidedly great group to do this in. As for offering thoughts and ideas, that is what this forum is all about. Please offer away. Having new blood is always welcome, as we get other insights. Please join in with that. In fact, now that you have asked, I insist that you share any insights you have on ANYTHING with us.:rotfl: We value your opinion.

:hugz: Shatril

[RedRose]

Heavens yes! We all learn astrology by studying our own charts first. We want readers to post scopes and we want readers to work with us to study OUR scopes. We might study celebrities, but they seem dull compared to you, who I actually feel I know...like we are getting to be friends! Group self indulgence - that's the ticket!

I often compare learning astrology to learning to play the guitar. If you simply learn 4 chords, you can play most every song and get other people involved too. Learning about Rising Sign, Sun, Moon and North Node - that describes the whole charater and you can help your friends so much if you simply show them these simple 4 chords.

As we play around more, we learn more chords and scales and we pick up some classical training and learn how to improvize. This is good too, of course.

RedRose

[RedRose]

Enlightenment,

People with Taurus Risings are here to create cosmic coziness. You are here to live by example promoting simple, wholesome and prosperous values. Rural or small town life is sure easier for Taurus, but making Urban neighborhoods and dwellings feel like country gardens and homey communities is good too.

Now in your case, your Ruling planet Venus (also Mercury) are in the 12th House intercepted. You also have all your outer planets retrograde (me too), which all means that what happens INSIDE is really important this life. You get your marching orders from your deep mysterious and hard to contact places. Learning to meditate is very important.

Do you have a lovely singing voice - or speaking voice?

People who have Mercury in the 12th, even when it isn't intercepted, experience so much that they cannot put inot words. Likewise Venus in the 12th makes it hard to get a handle on what attracts you, what inspires you - it is just all so big and mysterious.

How am I doing?

RedRose

[Spera]

Dear Friends,

Please share what your Rising Sign is and where your Ruling Planet is in your scope. If you don't know, post your horoscope here and we will help you. Does your life fit your Rising Sign? Are you willing to explore and express your Rising Sign for a few months. just to see what happens?

RedRose

but you said you wanted to kill Aquarius risers, so why should i admit to it....

[RedRose]

Hi Spera,

Who said they want to kill Aquarius Risings? And why?

RedRose

[Spera]

Aquarius rising folk are crazy and dangerous, lets kill them!



In fact, it was you! :-p

[Shatril]

In fact, it was you! :-p

Muhwahahahaha, OMG you really need to take some of Redrose's stuff with a grain of salt. ROFL She truly does not want to do that. I'm not sure what was in her head when that was written, but you have nothing to fear from her. Remember she's old, and sometimes our minds just slip, and we say weird stuff.

Don't be afraid to post your rising sign, and ruler. I can't wait to see what RR's response is to this one.

ROFLMAO,

Love you RR,
Shatril

[Spera]

I just thought it was funny. :) I'm not sure what ruling planet means. I'd assume you mean sun sign but I'm pretty sure I'm wrong about that. I'm an Aquarius Rising, Capricorn Sun, Libra Moon-- but all my planets are lumped in a bizarre clump at the top of my chart(only spanning 4 houses 11-8), only my chiron(taurus) and North node(gemini) are in the southern hemisphere.

I had someone look at my chart before and said that my moons peculiar because Libra moons are supposed to be happy and peaceful but mine is sitting on top of mars and pluto which could be why my life is fraught with dysfunction.

I do feel that I am more like my Aquarius rising than my Capricorn sun--I used to love being in the spotlight and being strange and different- acting out somewhat in random- and you could say crazy ways but that's died down alot as i get more and more scared of people- right now I don't feel myself.

I was born December 28 1983
Oswego, New York
10:19am

[RedRose]

O, it was me? Well that is different. I was kidding!

Blame it on my being an Aquarius Sun! I was being humorous and also a bit political. Aquarius Rising people are visionaries and here to shift the paradigms, bring in the New - out with the old. I actually believe that all Aquarius Rising, Sun and Moon people (in that order if I MUST prioritize but I don't see why I should have to!) should be funded to pursue their best visions, concepts, inventions, plans. I believe this is a fast way to improve the planet!

But do Aquariuses get any respect? Nooooo! We are considered freaks and weirdos and marginalized all the way around.....hrrrumph!

The Ruling planets of Aquarius are Uranus and also Saturn.

Peace - RedRose

[Autumn]

**Hides in corner shaking in fear for her life...because of her Aquarian ascendent*