No Jesus, No Peace?

[J Santos]

Ok, today I saw a bumper sticker that read:
"No Jesus, No Peace" then some slogan reading "Let Him Into Your Life" or some such nonsense....

:rant:

How dare ANY follower of ANY religion claim theirs is the only one that prescribes peace and harmony?

:rant:

[LostSheep]

It's like I've said many times before, if Jesus could've seen what people would do in his name he'd've just stuck to being a carpenter somewhere nice and quiet and left someone else to do all that saviour stuff ... Jesus and the church that calls itself Christian are two quite different things.

[blithespirit]

They usually follow that up with "Know Jesus, Know Peace." They think it sounds clever.

[BlackMagicalCat]

Well,I know a lot of christians who have no peace,I pray for them from time to time on another site.

I know many troubled ones as well.Being a christian doesnt mean all your troubles go away like the sticker says.

Jesus did say,my peace I give unto you,not as the world gives,Give i unto you.

I do think he is able to give peace thats hard to find elsewhere.
I dont see why the Goddess couldnt do the same,the bible says she crowns us with glory,and those who trust her will dwell safely,and be at peace.

[trippingdaisy]

To be fair, its not strictly a christian thing. Many followers of different religions (including people on various pagan paths) hold this very same view. Unfortunately, thinking that your way is the only true way, promotes anything but peace and harmony. Fortunately not all christians (or believers of any religion) think in this way.

[BlackMagicalCat]

Ok, today I saw a bumper sticker that read:
"No Jesus, No Peace" then some slogan reading "Let Him Into Your Life" or some such nonsense....

:rant:

How dare ANY follower of ANY religion claim theirs is the only one that prescribes peace and harmony?

:rant:
AHHH,you forgot the other part of the saying,maybe it wasnt on that sticker,but here it is,Ive seen it several times,

No Jesus,No peace
Know Jesus,Know peace

[Djiril]

I dont see why the Goddess couldnt do the same,the bible says she crowns us with glory,and those who trust her will dwell safely,and be at peace.
Really? Where? :huh:

[WitchCraftWeaver]

Ok, today I saw a bumper sticker that read:
"No Jesus, No Peace" then some slogan reading "Let Him Into Your Life" or some such nonsense....

:rant:

How dare ANY follower of ANY religion claim theirs is the only one that prescribes peace and harmony?

:rant:

I don't let it bother me. Everyone is entitled to their belief, and if it gets someone through the night to believe that their God/Religion is the ONLY one, more power to them.

Life's FAR to short to be worked up about things you can't change. :rolleyes:

[Aidron]

I don't let it bother me. Everyone is entitled to their belief, and if it gets someone through the night to believe that their God/Religion is the ONLY one, more power to them.

Life's FAR to short to be worked up about things you can't change. :rolleyes:

Anything can be changed.

[WyrdSmyth]

No Jesus, No Peace...... sorry all but in my book that slogan goes up there with the "clearance sale". I don't begrudge (sp?) anyone their faith, but that slogan puts me down for my faith - that I do begrudge.

Azzeenasman - can you give a reference for your statement:
I dont see why the Goddess couldnt do the same,the bible says she crowns us with glory,and those who trust her will dwell safely,and be at peace.

I would be grateful!

[Fire's Shadow]

Ok, today I saw a bumper sticker that read:
"No Jesus, No Peace" then some slogan reading "Let Him Into Your Life" or some such nonsense....

:rant:

How dare ANY follower of ANY religion claim theirs is the only one that prescribes peace and harmony?

:rant:

Don't let them rattle your cage. If we are to be more open minded than they are, we can't let things like that get to us. It is a waste of energy. I'm not saying I haven't popped off on a Christian before, but I'm telling you what I've learned by making that mistake.

[Vincent Verthaine]

Don't let them rattle your cage. If we are to be more open minded than they are, we can't let things like that get to us. It is a waste of energy. I'm not saying I haven't popped off on a Christian before, but I'm telling you what I've learned by making that mistake.

Plus that bumper sticker totally ignores the horror show when christians were pretty much runni ng the show.
They had their chance to make this world a better place and they blew it.
Now it's time for them to step aside and let someone else give a go at it.

[Willow Rosette]

I think if that is how one person finds peace then so be it. They are doing no more in expressing their beliefs on the back of their car as I am on mine.

The way I see it is those words are there for them and not me. It makes them happy just like my bumper stickers make me happy.

[farm girl]

I believe that anyone can find peace in all paths, including Christianity & Paganism.

On the other hand, you can find people making others miserable and spreading ignorance on all paths, including Christianity & Paganism.

[Ninjakitten]

Azzeenasman - can you give a reference for your statement:
I dont see why the Goddess couldnt do the same,the bible says she crowns us with glory,and those who trust her will dwell safely,and be at peace.

I would be grateful!


I think he's talking about where "wisdom" is mentioned in Proverbs. When you both look at that and look at the Wisdom of Solomon in the Apocrypha, as I do, there is indication of a feminine aspect of the Divine. She was called "Sophia", then the church downplayed her to "Wisdom" (as being an aspect of God), then just "wisdom" which comes from God.

[EternalMaiden]

Jesus was a man, though.

He was a living, breathing, mortal man that excersized and set an example that no one had yet experienced. Everything else could've been idealized and never attained. Being 'Godly' and all.

I personally can relate to Jesus, he is a deity of compassion in my mind. Without him we'd be lesser people, more predator.

Just my opinion... I don't think you should be so audacious yourself and get so offended. His story is beautiful.

[Heart of Isis]

I believe that anyone can find peace in all paths, including Christianity & Paganism.

On the other hand, you can find people making others miserable and spreading ignorance on all paths, including Christianity & Paganism.


Absolutely, well put.

Heart of Isis

[EternalMaiden]

Oooh, indeed. *karmalizes her*

[J Santos]

Jesus was a man, though.

He was a living, breathing, mortal man that excersized and set an example that no one had yet experienced. Everything else could've been idealized and never attained. Being 'Godly' and all.

I personally can relate to Jesus, he is a deity of compassion in my mind. Without him we'd be lesser people, more predator.

Just my opinion... I don't think you should be so audacious yourself and get so offended. His story is beautiful.

There is a distinct difference between believing something and attempting to impose those beliefs on others. The bumper sticker clearly states "If you don't believe in Jesus, there won't be peace"

[DoktorSick]

Plus that bumper sticker totally ignores the horror show when christians were pretty much runni ng the show.
They had their chance to make this world a better place and they blew it.
Now it's time for them to step aside and let someone else give a go at it.

I agree 333%.
I so tempted to get some bumper stickers
made that say no satan,no peace and place over
the jesus ones.It be funny to watch the reaction of people
when they see on there car.

[Renny]

Heh, those stickers are a riot... the religion with one of the most violent of histories saying it's the only one that can give you peace

[Inward Visionary]

Ok, today I saw a bumper sticker that read:
"No Jesus, No Peace" then some slogan reading "Let Him Into Your Life" or some such nonsense....

:rant:

How dare ANY follower of ANY religion claim theirs is the only one that prescribes peace and harmony?

:rant:

What's wrong with this? It's the same as No Buddha, No Peace, Let a 600 pound man tell you about self-discipline... No Gandhi, No Peace, Let's all turn the other cheek... No Conan O'Brien, No Peace, Let laughter into your life. It's just someone's belief and they have the right just as anyone else to display it. Those people are symbols of peace. Just because someone boasts about Jesus doesn't mean they follow any specific religion. Maybe it's just someone who loves Jesus. I know Muslims that love Jesus, Atheists that love Jesus. I don't see anywhere in that slogan where they claim to be a superior religion or the only one that promotes peace and harmony.

I laught at a lot of those that DO claim repentance and acceptance of the Christ is the only sure way into heaven. Well every religion, personal or wide-spread, has created their own after-life/after-death. But just because some people say you aren't going to their heaven, doesn't mean you're going to their hell. You're going to your own heaven or hell or whatever, whichever you choose.

[Willow Rosette]

I think the peace it speaks of is emotional peace. Who ever or where ever you find your truth in life then that is your peace. Is it a little conceited for them to say that? Maybe but thats ok to. It is just a bumper sticker not some person pushing it to me.

[Darkdale]

Just my opinion... I don't think you should be so audacious yourself and get so offended. His story is beautiful.

One the one hand, I agree. I think that we too often worry about what other religions believe. On the other hand, I don't think Jesus' story was all that beautiful or interesting. But I do think we'd all be further along is we just stuck to our own religions and traditions and allowed others the right to have pretentious beliefs we don't respect.

I don't see why religion should be so different from other things. Some people have beliefs that seem wrong or they advertise these "wrong" beliefs and most of the time we just disagree and move on. It seems to be only with religion and politics that people are offended.

[Lunacie]

There is a distinct difference between believing something and attempting to impose those beliefs on others. The bumper sticker clearly states "If you don't believe in Jesus, there won't be peace"


How does a bumper sticker force you to accept their beliefs over your own?

[Kittah]

I don't see anything wrong with the bumper sticker really, it's that person's belief and s/he wants to share it with the rest of the World. With Jesus in this person's life s/he has found peace. Good for him/her!

I have seen much more hateful messages - the other day I saw one that said something to the effect of wanting to bomb all the Republicans. That pissed me off (and I'm not a Republican).

[LostSheep]

On the other hand, I don't think Jesus' story was all that beautiful or interesting.
I think Jesus rocks. If he'd been around in the 20th century he'd have been a folk hero, like Che Guevara. I just think it's a shame that the story and the things he stood for have been given such a bad name by this great monothliic religion that's been built up in hs name.

[J Santos]

How does a bumper sticker force you to accept their beliefs over your own?

It does not force, it preaches.

It doesn't say "I found peace with Jesus" or "I found peace in Jesus" or something similar it says rather bluntly "If you DONT find Jesus, you WONT find peace," that's preaching.

Now, that being said, some of you have to go back and reread what I originally said:

How dare ANYONE in ANY religion claim theirs is the only that prescribes peace.

[farm girl]

All religions have been failures when "running the show". (maybe because religion shouldn't be running the show?) They all have their violent times in history. This includes the Pagans too. Let us not forget the violent ways of Pagan Rome. You simply can not label any religion with "one of the most violent pasts". Genocide itself has taken place on nearly every continent under the influence of nearly every religion.

But this. This is a bumper sticker. It doesn't compare in the scheme of things. Some Christian bumper stickers are obnoxious. Let's be fair. There are pagan bumper stickers that would likely offend me if I cared enough. But I don't. It is just a bumper sticker. They can ride around and with a sticker saying Jesus is God. That is a privelidge of their freedom. I enjoy that freedom as I can put whatever I choose to on the back of mine. (if I didn't think that 99% of bumper stickers were tacky, anyway)

[Lunacie]

Everyone has the right to be wrong.
Especially since not everyone will ever agree on what is right.

You think the bumper sticker and the driver's beliefs are wrong.

They think your beliefs are wrong.

But you have just as much right to put a bumper sticker on your car espousing your beliefs as they have.

And they do have the right to do that, and they do have the right to preach their beliefs to others.

You have the right to ignore their bumper sticker or tell them "not interested" when they preach to you.

You even have the right to get angry and raise your blood pressure, but it's not going to change their beliefs or their right to share them with the rest of the country.

[J Santos]

Hence calling it a rant and not a call to arms :P

[BlackMagicalCat]

Really? Where? :huh:
I PMed you,Ill send the verses tomorow.

[WitchCraftWeaver]

Anything can be changed.

How about the people out there with closed minds, who are unwilling to accept anything different from their belief system? I've run across pretty much the same scenario in my years of breeding show dogs. There are people out there that, for what ever reason, simply do not want to be educated. Their way is the only way... Period. :noway:

Those are the people you can't change. And my point in saying this is, there are, in my humble opinion, a lot more important things to worry about in this life, than someone who's opinion will not change. So, I just don't try. :)

[Lunacie]

Hence calling it a rant and not a call to arms :P

Ah yes. That wasn't really clear to me as you didn't post in the rants forum or put "rant" in your thread title. Sorry for the debate then.