Divination Weekly Topic ~ Other people help?

[Hope]

Ok the weekly topics are a great place for everyone to share their thoughts or questions on a certain topic about divination. Hopefully we can learn or share something new for ourselves or others.


This week:

Does reading someone elses journal, notes, thoughts on their path help you on yours? inspire you? interesting to read but not your path so not really relevant... you get the idea

If you have a suggestion for a weekly Divination topic, please PM me.


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[SwordsFlameSong]

Ohhhh I am the first.:yayah:

What havoc can I raise??:devil:

joking Hope

[SwordsFlameSong]

:spaceman: Well, I don't know what people would learn about reading my stuff. Other than I do have a very dark side and am much more serious than I am given credit for.

As far as reading others - I think it depends. A person's thoughts are like prose - some things will catch one person and leave another cold. It isn't a condemnation of the person's thoughts it is just what we each are searching for at any given time.

So yes, sometimes what another party writes can move us. Lincoln's Gettysburg address....... A series of poems that appear in Dear America: Letters Home from Viet Nam..........The Valhalla Chant from 13th Warrior...... A few of mine.

We will ignore the fact that Antonio looks mighty fine in warrior gear yes? :hehehehe:

To take that farther - if I may. What of visual? Some people can depict the most amazing things with oils etc. I find J Williams Waterhouse's work to be very inspiring and much pagan art catches me in my gut and leaves me feeling complete with no real ken as to why.

Or on the lovely vein of Antonio in warrior garb - Ione G as Lancelot I get inspiration from. Not just because of how he looks but what the garb- the swords symbolize. To me that says much of my path though many aren't comfie with it.

I am sure no one has figured out that I rather like Lancelot.

Sorry - trying to be serious but the tongue is stuck in my cheek at the same time.

Though I did mean what I said about visual and the writings I noted.

[Mercedes]

Overall, I think it's beneficial. If someone is willing to share things like that, I'm usually glad to give it a look.

As someone already mentioned, sometimes what people record won't mean too much to me, not only because it's harder to relate to my own path, but moreso because it doesn't speak to me. I'm very big on fiction and non-fiction, and sometimes things click; sometimes they don't. The same goes for things on spiritual matters.

[Hope]

what i find is a couple of things one that it is relevant to their path, so things that strike them are becasue thats where they are on their learning curve

for example they started to notice squirrels, has nothing to do with someone who is further along

i find a lot of folks that are new to thier path find the need to share these amazing things, till they realize its their newness, and really they are the only person on their path

two as a teacher again it helps asses where a new person is and what connections they are able to make, that htey had not been able to before

and three ego! ah the dreaded ego, where people get the idea cause they have read three books, and they have noticed some stuff that they are so developed on their path they must share


now things that are laid out to assist, depending on how far along the author really is on their own path can be helpful

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[SageofThyme]

Personally I don't find it especially useful (but then never found anyone close to my path either)

But as I love being nosey it can be interesting

But then I reallly hate giving my own thoughts and what not on my path as I feel its mine and not to share (I'll give practical advise but not personal accounts type thing)

[SwordsFlameSong]

I actually rarely share my own experiences. Or I should say I didn't share my own experiences easily. There is always the fear of condemnation or getting jeered. Like once, I mentioned that a modified binding might help someone with a situation and I got jumped because most people think that bindings are bad. Which they are if done carelessly and without thought. The standard Wiccan belief though is that bindings are messing with free will. I am not Wiccan so some of what I believe doesn't fall within the parameters and I find myself at odds with the other party.

So I am careful about what I share.

However, I am also older now and have been on this path for well over two decades - somedays I feel REALLY old. So, I find myself falling more into the teacher category. I start talking to someone who is new to the path or newer and I find myself sharing little wisdoms and funny experiences and some not so funny. Much on what to watch out for if you think if joining a grove or coven. Mistakes I made. Like doing the full out vision quest with three days of fasting and no sleep when I was 19. It was an awesome ride but man was I a sick pup when all was said and done. Sleep deprived, dehydrated little mess.

But I have also found, that with younger pagans, I seem to connect well with them. I don't judge their thoughts - I share the good and bad of my experiences. Sometimes I caution but I also encourage them to find their own path and define it themselves. I can't define what is right for them. I can guide when needed. I can listen when needed and I can keep silent when needed.

Anyway, it works for me now. And it is really wierd as I find I have more and more of a drive to teach or guide. Part of that is to protect newer ones to their paths from the charlatans and users that do exist in the pagan world. And, people like that do exist. New Age is a money making business also.

So I took the plunge and started working a course in CoT. The pagan community where I live is very fractured. What I would like to do is create a teaching Grove where everyone is equal and takes turns leading. It is like I told my mentor student - technically the roles of mentor and student are interchangeable. He can learn from me and I can learn from him.

Ohh did I go off on a soapbox? If I did am sorry. <wry>

[Hope]

giggles

no not at all

and you bring up some good points as to WHY share something and HOW much and with who

not all the little things, but some overall hmm this may help you moments

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[RunningRiot]

Reading someone else's diary is too confusing for me if I don't personally know them; since it's their mind basically talking back to themselves.

[Hope]

nods
and it is there message and connections not yours

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[SwordsFlameSong]

Reading someone else's diary is too confusing for me if I don't personally know them; since it's their mind basically talking back to themselves.

You know I agree. But I am also fascinated by old diaries. People that have passed on in your family or just really old diaries of someone who died long before I was born. I find that fascinating. It's like they are alive again when you read their words. :)

[Hope]

smiles, nods, but that is different then learning your divination from them

more like (if from your family) learning your heritage...


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[SwordsFlameSong]

smiles, nods, but that is different then learning your divination from them

more like (if from your family) learning your heritage...


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hope

True. Unless an ancestor was reputed to be a healer with flaming red hair and green eyes who could also see the future and past. :hahugh: My great, great grandmother. Very few writings though. :(

PS. What is wierd for me - I can touch a tombstone and "see" the lives of the names I read. Could be a good imagination. But I can also go to a battle field and "see/feel" the energy. Too me, that is "reading" but probably an entirely different topic. My hubby swears that he won't take me to Gettysburg. Little Big Horn choked me down. Gettysburg though - pictures can throw me for a loop. I guess, family legend says, that was what my great great grandma called her "curse". I tend to agree. But again, off topic.

[RunningRiot]

Oh yes.. If I can ground myself well enough I can try to see through that person's mind, through their words.. Still confusing to me at best, though.

[SwordsFlameSong]

Oh yes.. If I can ground myself well enough I can try to see through that person's mind, through their words.. Still confusing to me at best, though.

I think that will always lend itself to confusion. You are grounding but the person you are reading isn't. So, if they are confused or intensely emotional that will make it even more confusing. :)

[Hope]

that is an excellent point how if the writer is sharing based on ego, untruths, not well grounded etc

it can be very detrimental to your own personal space

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[SwordsFlameSong]

that is an excellent point how if the writer is sharing based on ego, untruths, not well grounded etc

it can be very detrimental to your own personal space

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hope

Day off - cleaning break. Woot.

Anyway, I tried to read Mein Kampf when I was a Soph in HS. It literally made me sick. I could not finish it and to this day - 22 years later - I flatly refuse to go near it. And I can honestly say I have never known such an intensely negative, physical reaction to something someone else wrote as I did to Mein Kampf. <shudder>

[Hope]

have you consider a past life connection to the material?

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[SwordsFlameSong]

have you consider a past life connection to the material?

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Actually, I do believe so. I usually haven't had issues with discovering what I need to regarding past lives. I have had quite a few - more often than not a warrior. So there was always blood on my hands. But it was neither good nor bad - it's just what I was. There was honor and there was dishonor. There was death and collateral damage. War just is and warrior does what they have to. A sword still feels more at home in my hand then anything else.

Over the years I get surface bits and pieces. I think my conduct was so abhorrent to my soul that I will never break the full block and perhaps I don't need to. I think I was SS on the Russian front. I know I committed atrocities. Even worse I enjoyed it. I know that I was captured and died horribly - and justly deserved - at the hands of the Russians. I also know that, the life I lived between that one and this - I died violently and young in Viet Nam. Impaled on punji sticks. Talk about a slow death. The pain was - hanging there impaled.

I also think that the debt has been paid.

I don't know if I want or need to know full details of that life. <shrugs> It would be the height of arrogance for me to think that I was always "good" however. But the depth of depravity I enjoyed is not something that is necessary for me to know in order to go thru this life. As I am not repeating it in any way, shape or form. That I strongly believe.

Still refuse to read Mein Kampf though. :)

[SwordsFlameSong]

I would like to add a couple of thoughts on the above post.

1) I haven't discussed this life in over ten years. I tried with a so-called HP who's reaction was that I should never have been allowed to be reborn and the Gods should have zapped my soul out of existence.

2) Factoring in that it was a tone that didn't exist in previous past lives I have come to the theory that my soul snapped. If one looks at modern soldiers we talk about psychological snaps, flashbacks and post traumatic stress. Now, if we apply the same thought process to a soul that has been a warrior over and over again what kind of impact will that have on a soul? I think my soul snapped. I think I was born in that life with anger and hate and a sadistic need to lash out. And I did. And I paid for it.

[Kaliel]

It depends on the person, if it is relevant to my path then yes, if it is not, then no. Not really one way to answer the question.

[Hope]

well kaliel what would make it relevant?

and swordsflame, i dont blame ya for not reading the book

smiles lol

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[SwordsFlameSong]

and swordsflame, i dont blame ya for not reading the book

smiles lol

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hope

yup! :hahugh: