Anubis

[Kendrah]

I was reading a little thing on Anubis last night from the book, "devoted to you", byt someone that slips my mind. It was interesting and sparked the interest in him when the author mentioned "Anpu" (which, for some reason, I can remember the name with a certain fondness, like it was a pet name for something. I know, strange.)

Well, in the chapter on him, the author said it the strange thing about Anubis is that he doesn't have as many forms as the other gods and he is almost always depicted with the jackle head.) I was wondering if any of you great and wonderful egyptian pagans could shed some light on that for me. ;)

[Erincelt]

"Anubis," or as He is known in Kemet, Anpu or Yinepu, or more formally Yinepu-Wepwawet (or, sometimes, Wepwawet-Yinepu) is quite the guy. ;) (The Name Wepwawet meangs "He who opens the way.") Its not really so strange, I wouldn't think, that He doesn't have many forms. Khepera is never anything other than a scarab, for example. Serqet-Aset, as far as I know, is only ever a scorpion, or else the "abstract freaky thing."

While He may only have the (beloved) jackal form, He is still fairly complex. As Yinepu, He is usually seen as a bit childlike -- not in a bad way, just in a humorous, curious, way -- while as Wepwawet He is generally much, much more formal and somber. The way I've heard it put quite a lot is, Yinepu is the god, but Wepwawet is Him on the job. He is a psychopomp, meaning he meets-and-greets the spirits of the dead, and leads them to the Hall of Two Truths to be judged. In fact, he is also the one that lays the heart on the scale and does the judging. Sure, sure, we all know that part... But here's something you probably didn't know: He cheats a little bit in your favor. Check all the art ever done regarding that scene, note that Yinepu is reaching back and tugging on one of the strings holding the feather of Ma'at.

He is also, as the "opener of ways," responsible for at least some part of darned near everything. In ancient times, His standards/icons would be carried at the front of processions. Not just His, but those of all the gods, and of the kings. Today, when a Kemetic Orthodox performs the Senut rite, He is the first one to whom libation is poured as we open the shrine. When traveling, He may be prayed to for safe passage. When starting a new endeavor, He may offer clear vision. Literally anything that has a beginning, process, and conclusion, can fall under His "jurisdiction" as it were.

And yes, He was the original Khenti-Amentiu ("Foremost of Westerners", Lord of the Dead) before Wesir ("Osiris") came along. In a certain technical sense, He still is, and in this way He and Wesir are connected -- that and the myth cycle that supposes Wesir is his father, from a covert relationship with Nebt-Het ("Nephthys").

There's so much to Him... being stuck with one animal has so little to do with it. :)

[Kendrah]

Well, I understand that. I was just curious after reading the chapter on him. And the sudden interest I have in him makes sense... Baron Samedi, who I work with, works much in the same way as Anubis, it seems from your blurb. So, I guess it would be natural that my little anttena would go a-fluttering after reading about him.

[Zephyrstorm]

In fact, he is also the one that lays the heart on the scale and does the judging. Sure, sure, we all know that part... But here's something you probably didn't know: He cheats a little bit in your favor. Check all the art ever done regarding that scene, note that Yinepu is reaching back and tugging on one of the strings holding the feather of Ma'at.


You know. I didn't know that! :idea: Bells are ringing in my head at the moment. Thank you for sharing this insight. *brain melts* :nyah:

Neheti

[Redshire]

But here's something you probably didn't know: He cheats a little bit in your favor. Check all the art ever done regarding that scene, note that Yinepu is reaching back and tugging on one of the strings holding the feather of Ma'at.



I will have to strongly dissagree with your assumption. Simply because Yinepu is depicted as holding onto a string of the scales does NOT mean He is cheating the balance. Is He not also touching the counterweight? Truth be told, you have no way of knowing if He's "cheating" the outcome of the judgement or not.

In my opinion, assuming that He is cheating the scale stands in the face of ma'at itself.

[Romani Vixen]

Em Hotep!

I don't feel that he cheats with the scales. I feel that they *can't* be cheated. Perhaps seeing him touching the scales and feather is Him looking at your life and actions from all angles....

I find him to be rather playful, but in a somber way. I know... sounds nuts... but that's the way He is with me. One of my first connections with him was the image of him taking care of a recently deceased kitten... holding so gingerly... if that doesn't bring tears to your eyes nothin will.

For another interesting take on Him, and a host of other Names, read American Gods. It's a novel, but *very* interesting, and IMHO accurate in the depection of the Kemetic Names.

Senebty

[Ahautenites]

"American Gods"... I was reading about that novel on the HoN forums. I need to pick that up. At the moment, though, I'm about to start reading "The Anubis Gates." Plus, I have a whole bookcase full of unread books that I swore I would read this year before I buy any other books. :) (It was one of my New Year's resolutions.)

[instinct]

daddydaddydaddydaddydaddydaddydaddydaddydaddydaddydaddydaddydaddydaddydaddydaddydaddydaddydaddydaddy daddydaddydaddy!!!

*bounces around*

sorry

that's all

:hehehehe:

:imout:

[Ahautenites]

**raises an eyebrow in amusement**

No more sugar for instinct. She is CUT OFF. **laughs**

[instinct]

but daddy loves candy :lol:

[instinct]

mebbe I'll move on to the rum...

*nod*

[Ahautenites]

Good plan! **gets herself a pirate hat and an eyepatch with a rhinestone smiley face on it, and a bottle of coconut rum** Arrrrrrrrrrrr! :D

[instinct]

ooh.... :foh:

*disappears off to the left and appears a second later behind Ahaut with a big fancy feather pirate hat and brandishing a rather impressive sword*

avast ye! :hehehehe:

er.. anywho.

give us a sip of that rum will ye lass?

yarrrr...

[Ahautenites]

**hands over the rum and heads straight for the whiskey** Now this be REAL pirates' grog.

[instinct]

hmmm...

*puts down the rum and peers over Ahaut's shoulder*

you wouldn't happen to have any jack daniels would you..

[Zephyrstorm]

Someone say Pirates? ^^

*disappears in a flash and reappears with a pirate hat, bodice and pantaloons under a skirt*

ewww.. Jack Daniels? no thanks. I'll hog the rum if you two are sticking to the whiskey... unless you have Bushmills?
*collects the rum in a corner, pulls out a bottle and settles nearby happily*
Now, we need a bonfire.

or Jack Sparrow... ;)

[Redshire]

Erincelt, why do you think Yinepu is "cheating" the scales? Why do you think He would do such a thing?

I'm just wondering what brought you to that conclusion.

[instinct]

typical of a Yinepu thread to end up looking more like a pirate ship than anything else..

*disappears to gather wood for the bonfire*

[instinct]

hah. look what i found

http://www.sullivanet.com/jack/jack-bigheader.gif

:wtf:

[Ahautenites]

Nice! And of course. It was either that or we go the Grim Reaper route.

[instinct]

mmmmmm... deeeaath :drool:

[Rin Daemoko]

I've also found that Daddy seems to like copper, dark chocolate, and beef. I've had such a curious relationship with Anubis. I recall the day when I decided to go for Refuge and become a Buddhist ... I received a very clear impression from him: "I don't care what path you take, you're not getting rid of me."

I am grateful for him being there. He's been the one to help me learn tough lessons. He's usually the one producing the circumstances under which these lessons are learned, but that's not really the point. When I've become too full of myself, he's knocked me flat on my ass and laughed at me while I was down. When I've been abusing myself, he's the first to pick me up and dust off the delusion of my own inadequacies.

He challenges me to ask "why"? He got me drinking alcohol every now and then, which is in direct violation of one of the Buddhist precepts. He asked me, "didn't your fat man say not to believe anything unless you test it first to see if it's true?" Which is true, the Buddha did. And the founder of Buddhism wasn't fat, by the way, you're thinking of the Chinese Hotei who was so popular that he became synonymous with the Buddha. *nod* (Turns out, I disagree with the precept against abstaining from anything absolutely, since it's in violation of the Buddha's teaching regarding the Middle Path, which is one of his first teachings regarding the taking of everything in moderation, saying that too much of something can be just as bad as too little.)

One of the first things he ever told me was that I was to never worship him, ever. If I did, that would be crossing a line, it would be a grave form of disrespect. It has more to do with the fact that I'm not Kemetic and that worshipping a Kemetic deity would be blasphemy should I do it, but that plays a part in it.

Though I think one of the most impactful lessons he has led me begin to understand is the innevitability of my own death. I am going to die. There is no way around this. It's not something that happens to other people. Everyone dies, and in death, everyone is equal. You can't take wealth or popularity or beauty with you. Dad got me to think that if rebirth, reincarnation, or afterlives in general do not exist, do I really want to waste my entire life worrying about a future that hasn't happened yet, or would I rather enjoy the here and now while I'm here, now? The answer is obvious. It makes more sense to remain grounded in the present moment (while being mindful of possible outcomes of one's speech and actions, because it would be foolish not to). I do not want to be one of those elderly men and women who come into my bookstore, trying to catch up on all the experiences they missed out on in their youth (through books) because they were too busy worrying about their afterlife.

I also hate to say it, but he got me to look at images of death, and two videos. They were all violent deaths, but it was an important lesson because I was forced to recognize that the person dying unnaturally, violently, right there could one day be me. Could I handle that? Could I be prepared for that? It's the reality that they faced, more real and terrifying as anything than I could possibly imagine. Could I deal? Dad wants me to be able to deal with it. He says that strength doesn't come from lifting weights and beefing up your ego with an undeserved sense of superiority and "success." In the words of Tyler Durden, "self-improvement is masterbation." Dad wants me to be real, to be honest, to be me. Which, interestingly enough, is what the Buddhist scriptures seem to be screaming at you. Sometimes there's literal screaming, but you'd find that more common with Zen and Tantric Buddhism (I suspect).

So, I am very grateful for his presence in my life, as difficult as it can be at times. But life is also difficult at times. The point isn't to judge it, thinking: "I like this, I don't like this, I'd rather pretend this isn't happening right now," because that just wastes time and gets us falling into the trap that is our egoic selves - the part that really does die with death and that we leave rotting inside our skulls.

I think I'll end this here before I take up too much of your time. Thank you kindly.

[Morr]

Hmm, this thread is interesting to me.

I have a feeling Anubis is trying to catch my attention. Which is interesting since I worship the Irish Gods and I'm on an Irish Reconstructionism path :lol: Though I do honor several other none Irish dieties.

Anything I should know before embarking on my journy with him?

[Rin Daemoko]

Anything I should know before embarking on my journy with him?
He can be a f*cking bastard at times. If he seems all nice and fluffy and happy-happy with the comforting of the dead and the dying and the joyness of moving on to the other side, then you've got an imposter. He is capable of great kindness, yes, but he's not warm and fuzzy about it. He can be frightening to the point where you will sh!t your pants and not give a damn.

[Morr]

He can be a l*ving bastard at times. If he seems all nice and fluffy and happy-happy with the comforting of the dead and the dying and the joyness of moving on to the other side, then you've got an imposter. He is capable of great kindness, yes, but he's not warm and fuzzy about it. He can be frightening to the point where you will sh!t your pants and not give a damn.


LOL Sounds good to me!

I am a daughter of The Morrigan and I have worked several times with Hel. Dieties that are associated with darkness and death and crossing over seem to be attracted to me. I'm looking forward to seeing what Anubis has to teach me!

[Zephyrstorm]

I've heard others say that they've had a different experience of Yinepu than Rin's description.
When he's "on duty", he can be very serious and all about facing Death. Usually, in Kemetic Orthodoxy, this side of him is known as Wepwawet, the Opener of the Ways.
His other side, Yinepu isn't serious all the time. In fact, he has a splendid sense of humor. I figure this is precisely because what he does for all of us can be so grim. Comedians often are the worst sufferers of depression, you know?

But He's far more complex than both those descriptions seem to say. ;) Naturally, after all, He's a God.

[Anubis]

I have had the pleasure of knowing Anpu since I was a small child.. having said his name as the first "word" I ever spoke (yeah I was a strange kid... but I've gone into that elsewhere here on MW).. he has never been a "bastard" to me as Rin put it.. although he has no qualms about being one to someone he feels needs that kind of approach.. he has been my best friend and companion for many years.. someone who I will always respect and trust.. and for those of you who he chooses to work with... you should feel honored because he has much to teach... just take the time to listen

[instinct]

I don't get his serious side as much, although it does come out when the situation calls for it..

usually though I get his more childlike side. The side that fiddles with all my stuff. and wants candy. the very curious side of daddy. the side i'm refering to when i say "daddy"

his "Dad" side is darker.

Wepwawet is harsher and more jaded. I've had enough lessons in the harsh reality of life.

Yinepu is more my father than Wepwawet, although they're the same.

I have Uncle Set for the harsh lessons.. :2G:

aww daddy. he's just so beautiful. there's nothing in the world I find as beautiful as him. but then.. he taught me to really appreciate beauty. in everything.

you wouldn't think that a death god would be the best one to teach you about the wonders of life. but maybe he is..

[Zephyrstorm]

Actually, I would think the Death Gods would be the best at teaching about the sweetness of life, as well as the bitter.
If you've ever been to the edge of death and come back out, everything means more, everything is brighter. At least, that's been my own experience. Suddenly, each breath means more. *shrugs*

[Redshire]

Yinepu is the Zen master!

[instinct]

:lol:

[Erincelt]

*...fights hard not to fall into the Holy Pit of Pirate Zen with his siblings, and answer Redshire instead...*
It really just began with a moment's random thought when looking at some of the artwork of Him, and grew from there. One thing about it, I guess, is that I don't think it neccessarily is anti-Ma'at. I explain: one thing that I hear and read consistantly is that a Ka being judged, may make sincere confession and appeal before the Judges, being forgiven -- thus it is said that while Ma'at is pure and true, and one must balance with Ma'at to enter the elysian fields and become a star, nonetheless it is said that one has to be Pretty Evil (TM) to fail judgement. Why? Because of that forgiveness. So maybe what I (mistakenly?) called "cheating" is really just rebalancing the scales to account for confession and purification?

Don't know. Never have talked to Him about this specifically, so was just going from randomness off the top of my head (which is usually a randomness stew par excellance).

[instinct]

avast ye!

:apirate:

sorry.. sorry... couldn't control myself

[Romani Vixen]

Hmm, this thread is interesting to me.

I have a feeling Anubis is trying to catch my attention. Which is interesting since I worship the Irish Gods and I'm on an Irish Reconstructionism path :lol: Though I do honor several other none Irish dieties.

Anything I should know before embarking on my journy with him?

Why am I not suprised!!!??? :)

Well... He'll smack ya, but not as hard as the Morrigan will smack ya. :)

[Morr]

Why am I not suprised!!!??? :)

Well... He'll smack ya, but not as hard as the Morrigan will smack ya. :)


Unless they both join forces to kick my ass.....

*hides*

Though I HAVE been learning a lot lately, so I think I am done with the harsh learning lessons for a while (I hope!).

[Anubis]

Why am I not suprised!!!??? :)

Well... He'll smack ya, but not as hard as the Morrigan will smack ya. :)
:D never underestimate the power of a pissed off puppy!

[Redshire]

*...fights hard not to fall into the Holy Pit of Pirate Zen with his siblings, and answer Redshire instead...*
It really just began with a moment's random thought when looking at some of the artwork of Him, and grew from there. One thing about it, I guess, is that I don't think it neccessarily is anti-Ma'at. I explain: one thing that I hear and read consistantly is that a Ka being judged, may make sincere confession and appeal before the Judges, being forgiven -- thus it is said that while Ma'at is pure and true, and one must balance with Ma'at to enter the elysian fields and become a star, nonetheless it is said that one has to be Pretty Evil (TM) to fail judgement. Why? Because of that forgiveness. So maybe what I (mistakenly?) called "cheating" is really just rebalancing the scales to account for confession and purification?

Yes, I think to call it "cheating" is a mistake, and what set my teeth to grinding in the first place. Purification as a result of confession is quite different. Certainly it is not anti-Ma'at, whatever act Yinepu is portrayed as doing (or does at all, for that matter). How would it be possible to be against Ma'at in the Hall of Two Truths? Before the Names, and Djehuty Himself? ;)

[Erincelt]

Just an update... I did finally talk to Him about it, and I got a fairly quick (and sharp) response in the form of, "All are judged accordingly." He did go on a little to say, basically, that while He may set the rules, he aboslute does not bend them. But yes, there is a chance for purification, and He does adjust for that. He added, "Besides, its a heavy feather." Heh.

[instinct]

heavy feather

:lol:

i love Daddy so much :smile:

http://www.mysticwicks.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=59154&d=1137674276

[Meirya]

A thread about Dad! :D I can't resist; I must poke my head in and say "hi" to any Yinepups and such on the board.

Though really, it's more Wepwawet-Yinepu than Yinepu-Wepwawet, with me. But Anpu does show up in his aspect as the Divine Child often enough around me! (...trying to get me to talk a walk in a foot of snow because look snow! it tickles the nose and fun cold white and PLAY!... but I don't like the cold...!)

No real point to this post; just wanted to say hi. *grin*

[instinct]

A thread about Dad! :D I can't resist; I must poke my head in and say "hi" to any Yinepups and such on the board.

Though really, it's more Wepwawet-Yinepu than Yinepu-Wepwawet, with me. But Anpu does show up in his aspect as the Divine Child often enough around me! (...trying to get me to talk a walk in a foot of snow because look snow! it tickles the nose and fun cold white and PLAY!... but I don't like the cold...!)

No real point to this post; just wanted to say hi. *grin*
heeheee *jackal hugs*

hello

[instinct]

i love you daddy :smile:

[Anubis]

he knows Sis...

[instinct]

of course he does. but that doesn't mean i'm going to stop showering him in love! :T :hearthear

[TaysatWesir]

:fpraiseyo Dua Yinepu!
http://mysticwicks.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=61331&d=1141349708

[instinct]

peeerrrttyy :foh:

[Ishtara]

Oh my, Shepen, this is just...stunning! Wow! Nekhtet!

[TaysatWesir]

I didn’t make its from my fav pic site but it down and I don’t know why.

[TaysatWesir]

another Yinepu graphic

[TaysatWesir]

It’s a shame the site didn’t have other Netjer shrines I believe this stuff is made with a 3D program poser or daz.

[Ishtara]

These two images are just beautiful! But then again, I have always found Yinepu rather... photogenic :D

[instinct]

ye man. daddy's a sexy beast. and unfortunately he knows it :lol:

[Anubis]

how is that unfortunately?
Just cause he likes pickin on you!

[Annyka]

Yinepu is not tipping the scales in either way. Have you ever used a set of see-saw scales? You need to hold them still when you put the two items to be compared on them. He is mearly holding them still so that the weighing will be more accurate. After the items are centered properly, he then lets go and sees which weighs more. At least that is what he told me.

[instinct]

how is that unfortunately?
Just cause he likes pickin on you!
he ever tried flashing you? he finds it highly amusing

[TaysatWesir]

he ever tried flashing you? he finds it highly amusing

http://www.millan.net/minimations/smileys/trenchcoat.gif (http://www.millan.net)

[Romani Vixen]

I'm too sexy for my kilt,
too sexy for my kilt

LOL

[Anubis]

he ever tried flashing you? he finds it highly amusing
lol.. he does all kinds of things you would never believe.. oh wait.. yeah... you just might...

[Ishtara]

I'm too sexy for my kilt,
too sexy for my kilt

LOL


And I'm too sexy for your party,
Too sexy for your party...

'Cause I'm a model, you know what I mean...



Ahem. Yes. Yinepu. He was one of the very first Names Who introduced Themselves to me and I was quite surprised back then to find that gods were not all, erm, straight-laced after all... :lol:
This is when I decided that Kemeticism and I were going to get along just fine ;)

[instinct]

lol.. he does all kinds of things you would never believe.. oh wait.. yeah... you just might...
yes. i just might :lol:

like his fascination with disco :wtf:

that jackal can really get down and boogie

[Meirya]

O.o Wow. You guys experience a much sillier side of Anpu than I do. Even when it's Yinepu I'm talking to - yeah, he's silly and bouncy, but not quite that much so!

Then again, Wepwawet's generally the more prominent aspect with me. I'm Wepwawet-Yinepu's, not Yinepu-Wepwawet's.

[Romani Vixen]

O.o Wow. You guys experience a much sillier side of Anpu than I do. Even when it's Yinepu I'm talking to - yeah, he's silly and bouncy, but not quite that much so!

Then again, Wepwawet's generally the more prominent aspect with me. I'm Wepwawet-Yinepu's, not Yinepu-Wepwawet's.

I am a Yenipu-Wepwawet beloved... and I don't get that *extreme* silly side. yes.. .still silly... but not to that extent. is all good though...

[Redshire]

Hmm... I don't seem to get any sillyness from Yinepu, more of a Zen-master sorta impression. Mayhap I've been in contact with Wepwawet more? Because He (whichever one It is) is almost allways serious. There are a few smiles here and there when He tosses something very confusing at me, but no flashing... lol


So, how do y'all "feel" Yinepu's sillyness? Is it something internal or external? I mean, I've considered Him to be my spiritual father for many years now, and I suppose a part of Him resides within me allways, or rather, that I am similar to Him in many ways. So, are my random fits of nonsensical sillyness a reflection of Him?

did that make sense?


em hotep!

[Rin Daemoko]

Hmm... I don't seem to get any sillyness from Yinepu, more of a Zen-master sorta impression. Mayhap I've been in contact with Wepwawet more? Because He (whichever one It is) is almost allways serious. There are a few smiles here and there when He tosses something very confusing at me, but no flashing... lol
★ Oh thank the gods, I'm not the only one who is more familiar with this side of him than the bouncy-happy side (which I've never personally seen). I was beginning to think I was alone on that one. "Zen Master" is precisely how I tend to feel about him. He's all about experience and facing reality head-on.

So, how do y'all "feel" Yinepu's sillyness? Is it something internal or external? I mean, I've considered Him to be my spiritual father for many years now, and I suppose a part of Him resides within me allways, or rather, that I am similar to Him in many ways. So, are my random fits of nonsensical sillyness a reflection of Him?
As I said, I've never encountered the silliness in him, but there's plenty of it in me. I also consider him my father, so it makes me wonder ...

[Redshire]

He's all about experience and facing reality head-on.

Too true! He led me on a 3 month road-trip from Oregon to Maine and back, all the while I was homeless and with a psyco ex-tweeker... But He was allways there, He's got my back, y'know?

The impression I get from him is that Zen-Master feel. He is very patient and quiet most of the time, speaking only when nessasary. And when He speaks/shows/acts, it's never clear-cut, I allways have to figure out the meaning of it. Sometimes it takes me quite a while. lol

[Anubis]

he uses what he needs to to get his point across... so if he is serious.. that's because it's what you need for him to be...

[Rin Daemoko]

Too true! He led me on a 3 month road-trip from Oregon to Maine and back, all the while I was homeless and with a psyco ex-tweeker... But He was allways there, He's got my back, y'know?

The impression I get from him is that Zen-Master feel. He is very patient and quiet most of the time, speaking only when nessasary. And when He speaks/shows/acts, it's never clear-cut, I allways have to figure out the meaning of it. Sometimes it takes me quite a while. lol

Some time after converting to Buddhism, I was taking a vow to attain enlightenment for the benefit of all sentient beings. Then, at the perfect moment during a meditation that followed, I received a very clear "there is no $%&*ing enlightenment, so $%&*ing get the $%&* over it!" I'm pretty sure it was from him. I nearly fell off my meditation cushion, laughing.

He's always pushing me to question my beliefs and assumptions about myself and "reality." When I start to get comfortable ("lazy") in my views, he usually throws a wrench in my paradigm (so to speak). It's like having a sneaky, ninja guru, ready to smack you whenever you think, "ah ha! Now I understand it!"

Like I said earlier in this thread, he's the first to strike me down (off my egoic horse), but he's also the first to pick me up and dust me off. He can be cruel, but not for cruelty's sake - it's always to get across a point that no amount of cuddling ever can.

[Redshire]

Indeed! I get the feeling that He's smiling smugly at me sometimes... usually when He's thrown my brain for a loop and I get royally frustrated... :)


Anubis- true dat!

[Anubis]

he makes you think... and he's not going to hand you the answers on a silver platter... and as soon as you get smug and think you know it all.. he will slap you down so hard you'll be sitting there saying wtf?
http://www.mysticwicks.com/customprofilepics/profilepic11689_3.gif
but he also takes care of those he loves..

[HetHert]

he uses what he needs to to get his point across... so if he is serious.. that's because it's what you need for him to be...

I'm pming you something about what you said here. Thanks for this line!

[Silverfire Darkmoon]

Yeah, I've had a thing for Anubis as long as I can remember. A statue of him was the first statue of a deity I got for ritual reasons. I do not know of he is my patron. I do not know if this affinity goes both ways. I was touched by death at an early age (I lost my mother at the age of seven) but I don't want to read too much into that.
I simply really like Anubis. Him and Isis. I'm aware that the Isis I'm attracted to is more the Greco-Roman Isis than the Egyptian Aset.
I think to an extent I may emphasise with him. He is the older, quieter brother who takes the background compared to his younger brother; and so am I.
As for the whole 'cheating the scales of Ma'at', well, I simply do not that such a thing could be possible. Ma'at is Ma'at and Ma'at may not be cheated, altered, or denied. It's a 'central fabric of the universe' thing in my eyes.

[instinct]

Daddy is certainly not all silly. I just tend to talk about my "silly" encounters with him more.

When we first "met" he was just a dark figure smirking at me from the shadows. he tends to do that a lot. the lurk and smirk.

he is generally quiet. he hardly ever "talks" to me. i get more feelings and expressions from him. and it truely is amazing the spectrum of emotions that can be expressed with a smirk :lol:

I imagine your beloveds (for you kemetic orthodox types) will have an influence on how you view your parent/s too. So I get an extra dose of silly from Bast and an extra dose of outrageous from Uncle Set. and then there's Mut.. :hmmmmm:

people are different around different people and situations. we're all multilayered, complex creatures with plenty of conflicting personalities in us. the gods are certainly just as complex, if not more.

I've found Yinepu to be somewhat more childlike than Wepwawet, who seems a bit older and more jaded almost. but that's just my opinion :)
although we mustn't forget that they are, essentially, the same god. i've heard it put that Wepwawet is Yinepu in his business suit :smile:

[Meirya]

Oh, all right then, those experiences/impressions correlate fairly well with my own...

I wrote a bit about Anpu's aspects a while back. I'll just copy-paste rather than trying to reformulate thoughts.

"Wepwawet is the silent stern Jackal-Lord who shows me what I must do, what needs to be done, what needs to be cut away. Opener of the Ways and the doors within my heart that I don't always want to deal with. Yinepu is the joyful prancing jackal-pup, the Divine Child who shows me that what Wepwawet wants isn't that bad and can even be enjoyable if I go about it the right way, with the right mindset; here, here, this can be fun, it's exploring and walking and look at the snow! cool cold white stuff that tickles the nose! and let's feel and sense and look and run...!

"My God is velvet shadow and sleek black fur; my God is alertness and silent knowing in the Hall of Two Truths; my God is jackal-laughter and child-wisdom and father-wisdom; He is ancient and proud and honor and truth, He is sternness and playfulness and innocence and understanding. So many things all at once, sometimes seeming paradoxes but never truly such."

I love reading everyone's thoughts, experiences, and impressions of Anpu! This is quite the enjoyable thread.

[instinct]

awww

dadddddyyyyyyyyy :hugz:

[instinct]

my fiance is in the current beginner's class. he's going to get divined when he graduates!

this is sooo exciting :T

I wonder if he has any jackal in him :foh:

i have suspicions of some Heru-wer influence :2G:

[Meirya]

i have suspicions of some Heru-wer influence :2G:

Oh no! XD Not golden boy with the Set-staff up his feathery butt!

...I blame my dislike of Heru and my perception of him (and the rest of the Egyptian solar gods) as a stick-up-the-ass arrogant throne-sitter on Gramps Set. *nods and hides*

Nah. I'm sure the solar gods aren't that bad. Really. I just haven't gotten to know them. Of course. >.>

[instinct]

Oh no! XD Not golden boy with the Set-staff up his feathery butt!

...I blame my dislike of Heru and my perception of him (and the rest of the Egyptian solar gods) as a stick-up-the-ass arrogant throne-sitter on Gramps Set. *nods and hides*

Nah. I'm sure the solar gods aren't that bad. Really. I just haven't gotten to know them. Of course. >.>
Heru-wer is f-ing awesome. he's completely hilarious. like some kind of... hyperactive drunken child with a sword. he is HEAPS of fun :lol:

[instinct]

after having seen both Uncle Set and Heru-wer in Saq, i'd have to say that Set seems like more of an arrogant throne-sitter. You can probably say a lot more to Heru-wer without getting hit with a staff or kicked in the guts (Uncle Set can get a bit violent if he's not happy about something).

[Harmony Aurore]

weird thought. I know this is going to come out wrong because we all know that I suck with proper terminology... but I was just thinking.

If Yinepu were to take animal form in North America, where there are no Jackals (i mean in my neighbourhood) what animal would be his familiar?
I have a feeling it maybe a fox, but i have a bias towards that because i had a strange experience with one a little while ago, and I just sorta felt like maybe....

But maybe I'm just crazy. I mean, Yinepu takes only the form of the Jackal... that's what he is. so... i don't know.

Sorry... crazy ramblings, but i'd like to hear your thoughts on them

[Harmony Aurore]

mind you... coyotes and jackals are so similar looking. like kissing cousins. but that's not really my point.

[instinct]

weird thought. I know this is going to come out wrong because we all know that I suck with proper terminology... but I was just thinking.

If Yinepu were to take animal form in North America, where there are no Jackals (i mean in my neighbourhood) what animal would be his familiar?
I have a feeling it maybe a fox, but i have a bias towards that because i had a strange experience with one a little while ago, and I just sorta felt like maybe....

But maybe I'm just crazy. I mean, Yinepu takes only the form of the Jackal... that's what he is. so... i don't know.

Sorry... crazy ramblings, but i'd like to hear your thoughts on them
I tend to see Dad in a lot of the canines i encounter :)

he could probably communicate with you through a hamster, if that's all that was available at the time :lol:

[instinct]

omg a Daddy hamster. I may have to draw that sometime. that's just a completely hilarious image :alol:

[Meirya]

after having seen both Uncle Set and Heru-wer in Saq, i'd have to say that Set seems like more of an arrogant throne-sitter. You can probably say a lot more to Heru-wer without getting hit with a staff or kicked in the guts (Uncle Set can get a bit violent if he's not happy about something).

Huh. Interesting. From what I experience of Set, he always comes off as dryly sarcastic and rather snarky. Though he certainly can be pissy. x_x (Especially if you're just... not... GETTING IT. It's a *THWACK* over the head with the staff and "WAKE UP. You're being an idiot. Open your EYES, kid!")

I don't know why it is that I react to kemetic solar deities as I do. o_O When I was first looking into everything, I figured - hey, I'm bird, maybe I'd fit best with a bird-deity. Let's look at Heru... But for some reason I had a sense of almost... I don't know. Not quite revulsion... but distinct distaste, almost scorn. I had the same reaction when researching Re. Maybe I should look into that more carefully?

I haven't gotten to know Set much; he helped me out some when I was trying to figure out parentage and such, but he basically communicated that we weren't doing any serious work together until I'd gotten a few things figured out and grown a bit more backbone, healed some, gained a bit more independence... something like that. He drops by from time to time, but I'm mostly still really sorting a lot out and building a firm relationship with Dad.

Saq, huh? I'd love to go to one of those. I have a couple friends who are fairly adept channels, but one's geared towards Celtic and one's Norse. The Norse deities seem to not mind casual aspecting/ channeling/ whichever, and drop by for semi-casual communication. (Yeah. I sound crazy. Or fluffy. Or deluded. Erk...) But from what I've experienced and read, the Kemetic deities don't like being channeled except in formal saq. Maybe that's just my experience. The only one who's popped in is Set and neither he nor the channeler seemed to enjoy the experience much...

I've never heard of Anpu appearing in saq, which seems odd. It always seems to be Set or some other Name. Then again, I'm not HoN, so maybe I just missed mention of it... Has that occured yet, or no?

...Way too wordy again. Ersh. Sorry!

[instinct]

Heru-wer is a completely different ball game to Heru-sa-Aset (Horus - Heru the Younger - Aset's kid) and Ra. He is a lot more like Set than those two. Much more of a dirty old man.. although still somehow.. Not meaning to offend, but childish is really the only word I can think of :lol: He's more light hearted than Uncle Set, who does have a great wit and sense of humor and never ending supply of sarcasm. Heru-wer, however, has an equally sharp with. A marvellously flambuoyant sense of humor, but not as much dry sarcasm.

I'd probably say Heru-wer was more.. social. more people orientated. all courageous honor. Set's more closed off and I guess self centered. more aloof.

I'm rambling because i'm trying to sort this out in my head as i type. :lol:

All the Saqs i've witnessed were at the last retreat of the House of Netjer.
I saw Yinepu, Heru-wer, Sekhmet, Ra, Set, Serqet.. and a few others.

I got to talk to Yinepu, Heru-wer, Sekhmet and Serqet. They're all sooo wonderful.

Daddy is so sweet. he sat there with his legs crossed eating candy the whole time. We had to try teach him to take the wrappers off.. but he just got frustrated and threw it across the room. same happened with the ones he didn't like. there was a lot of flying candy :eyebrow:

He has the most remarkable way of describing very complicated ideas in very simple ways. He's somehow very open and friendly and huggable, but in other ways very distant.

He's so beautiful. but then i'm a bit biased :)

[Redshire]

I'd associate cyotes with Yinepu, and foxes and wolves. But definately cyotes. But, I also associate revens and crows with Him as well.

Personally, I think Heru-wer is the more laid back, and Set is more stuffy. But this is just from my "Kemetic Wiccan" perspective... and from knowing a Set kid (undivined, but there is no question in my mind!)

em hotep

[Harmony Aurore]

I would have associated Ravens and crows to Aset... simply because that is one of her transformations.

[Redshire]

She changes into a crow/raven? Where did you hear that? I never heard that.... am I outa the loop or something?

[Harmony Aurore]

no... not into a crow... she changes into a kite

"Isis was a winged goddess who represented all that was visible, birth, growth, development and vigour. Having wings, she was a wind goddess (as was her sister). She travelled widely, moaned and cried loud enough to shake the heavens and used her wings to blow life into her husband. The kite was sacred to her, and she could transform herself into this bird at will."
http://www.touregypt.net/godsofegypt/isis2.htm

But we don't have birds like that around here. So I always thought that If she were to surround me in nature, she would be there in the form of a black bird, crow or raven.

[Zephyrstorm]

Where are you, Harmony, if you don't mind me asking?

Here in the U.S. there are several species of Kite.
http://www.birds.cornell.edu/programs/AllAboutBirds/BirdGuide/White-tailed_Kite.html
http://www.birds.cornell.edu/programs/AllAboutBirds/BirdGuide/Swallow-tailed_Kite.html
http://www.birds.cornell.edu/programs/AllAboutBirds/BirdGuide/Mississippi_Kite.html

Kites are a type of Hawk. ^_^

[Harmony Aurore]

HA HA HA!!! Those don't look like the pictures I found! I looked on google/images. Well, the only "big bird" around me at any time are these great big black birds, the size of a small hawk. They always sit on the roof top by my window, so close that I could touch them. Always looking in, and never on any of the other roof tops. It must be a pretty snazy roof... or they just like seeing me get dressed in the morning.

I live in Ottawa, Ontario, Canada, by the way...

any how... if yinepu can be in the form of a canine... from a cayote to a fox, then why would it be odd for Isis to be in the form of a large bird native to the area?

[Anubis]

they could all be singing hamsters if they wanted to be...

[HetHert]

You mean like this...*snicker*
http://www.hampsterdance.com/

*ducks and covers because I'm going somewhere for this one*

[instinct]

You mean like this...*snicker*
http://www.hampsterdance.com/

*ducks and covers because I'm going somewhere for this one*
:eek:

:awilly:

[Anubis]

You mean like this...*snicker*
http://www.hampsterdance.com/

*ducks and covers because I'm going somewhere for this one*
Yeah, HetHert.. what ever works for ya.....

You know there's karma in that for ya... not saying from who... ;)

[Anubis]

http://www.greymatter.org/satanichamsterdance/

[Erincelt]

When discussing solar deities, bear in mind that "family" includes His Lordship Khepera, He Who Is Becoming, the Distant Whisperer, Ariser In The East, Womb Of All Being, Silent Sage. I definitely wouldn't refer to Khepera as an arrogant throne-sitter. ;) It is hard to call Someone arrogant, when They are the witness, herald, and officiator of Zep-Tepi, and almost never say a word about it.

Du'a Khepera! Du'a Tem! Du'a Netjer! Nekhtet.

[TaysatWesir]

Heru-wer is a completely different ball game to Heru-sa-Aset (Horus - Heru the Younger - Aset's kid) and Ra. He is a lot more like Set than those two. Much more of a dirty old man.. although still somehow.. Not meaning to offend, but childish is really the only word I can think of :lol: He's more light hearted than Uncle Set, who does have a great wit and sense of humor and never ending supply of sarcasm. Heru-wer, however, has an equally sharp with. A marvellously flambuoyant sense of humor, but not as much dry sarcasm.

I'd probably say Heru-wer was more.. social. more people orientated. all courageous honor. Set's more closed off and I guess self centered. more aloof.

I'm rambling because i'm trying to sort this out in my head as i type. :lol:

All the Saqs i've witnessed were at the last retreat of the House of Netjer.
I saw Yinepu, Heru-wer, Sekhmet, Ra, Set, Serqet.. and a few others.

I got to talk to Yinepu, Heru-wer, Sekhmet and Serqet. They're all sooo wonderful.

Daddy is so sweet. he sat there with his legs crossed eating candy the whole time. We had to try teach him to take the wrappers off.. but he just got frustrated and threw it across the room. same happened with the ones he didn't like. there was a lot of flying candy :eyebrow:

He has the most remarkable way of describing very complicated ideas in very simple ways. He's somehow very open and friendly and huggable, but in other ways very distant.

He's so beautiful. but then i'm a bit biased :)

SAQ is so cool one day I hope to attend one maybe talk to Mut or other Netjer. :)

[TaysatWesir]

I was too tired to walk :lol: and no my boobs aren't that big :hehehehe:

[Redshire]

I'm of the thought that Aset would appear as a raptorial bird, like a falcon or hawk. Those are the closest we get to kites 'round here. I see Djehuty appearing as a heron as well.

ymmv

[instinct]

SAQ is so cool one day I hope to attend one maybe talk to Mut or other Netjer. :)
I've never heard of a Mut Saq

We need a child of Mut first I think. I don't believe we have one yet :D

I'd love to meet her "in person"

She's the quietest of my line up :)

[Harmony Aurore]

I'm of the thought that Aset would appear as a raptorial bird, like a falcon or hawk. Those are the closest we get to kites 'round here. I see Djehuty appearing as a heron as well.

ymmv

Being in the city.. there are none of those around. In the summer however, there are Osprey around where I work, in the country.... lots of blue Heron too, which are getting less and less shy around people as the years go by.

[Zephyrstorm]

Instinct, Nuwi is sat Mut. ^^ now to convince her to become a priest. lol

I'd love to see that side of Mom in Saq.

[Redshire]

Osprey! I love those birds... see them a lot on the family farm. I also live in the city at the moment, but travel through a wetland area several times a week. Sometimes I get lucky and see a heron. :)

[Harmony Aurore]

http://www.andong-ch.org/source/flying/Osprey.jpg

sooo pretty. *smiles*

[instinct]

Instinct, Nuwi is sat Mut. ^^ now to convince her to become a priest. lol

I'd love to see that side of Mom in Saq.
hmmm

i was under the impression that Bast-Mut was Bast as Queen, rather than Bast and Mut

i think Hemet said once that the Mut was more of a title :hmmmmm:

[TaysatWesir]

hmmm

i was under the impression that Bast-Mut was Bast as Queen, rather than Bast and Mut

i think Hemet said once that the Mut was more of a title :hmmmmm:

I figured it would be both title and a goddess. :eyebrow:

[Zephyrstorm]

Maybe it's all of the above?
For me, Bast-Mut is Bast as Queen and Bast and Mut. *shrug* that's been the way that I connect with Her. Other kiddos may have different experiences with Her. Who knows?

[TaysatWesir]

Yet another Yinepu :fpraise:

[Meirya]

When discussing solar deities, bear in mind that "family" includes His Lordship Khepera, He Who Is Becoming, the Distant Whisperer, Ariser In The East, Womb Of All Being, Silent Sage. I definitely wouldn't refer to Khepera as an arrogant throne-sitter. ;) It is hard to call Someone arrogant, when They are the witness, herald, and officiator of Zep-Tepi, and almost never say a word about it.

Oh, I was only referring to Heru with the "arrogant throne-sitter" part. Kemetic solar gods in general rub me the wrong way, but I wasn't referring to all of them with the throne-sitter comment.

That's right, Khepri is solar, isn't he?

[instinct]

isn't he supposed to push the sun across the sky or something? :eyebrow:

[Zephyrstorm]

Instinct,
I did some reading on the boards, and the consensus seems to be that she's Bast as Queen, Bast as Mother and Bast-Mut syncretised together.
Hope that helps?

[Erincelt]

isn't he supposed to push the sun across the sky or something?Among other things, aye. ;) We just don't hear about Him as much at the House because A) He's a Creator, which means He generally doesn't come up except in the primordial myths, and B) there's only two people with Him in their parentage: myself and Kai-Imakhu Antybast. We're the lonely contingent in the corner. Heh.

[Harmony Aurore]

My Yinepu statue just arrived! yay! thrilled! it's beautiful!

http://www.k-excellence.com/tpl/banubis1.jpg

it makes me so happy!

Harmony

p.s. that's not my pic of it... but that's what it looks like.

[instinct]

my Set statue is like that :)

I have a beautiful hand made statue of Daddy that I bought from Sahyinepu at retreat. (and another two.. but that one is my favourite)

I'll have to post a pic of it when i'm feeling slightly more motivated.

i'm too busy missing my husband right now :(

[Anubis]

I thought you were going back to germany with him...
{{{hugs}} and congrats btw

[instinct]

he has to do paperwork and stuff. and i have to get ready to move to another country. unfortunately none of this can be done instantly.

although i wish it could. i wish i hadn't had to let him go again. it was so hard.

[Zephyrstorm]

:( :hugz:

[Harmony Aurore]

I'd love to see your pics when you have time, Instinct.

Sorry that your lonesome. :(

[TaysatWesir]

:( _pounce_

[instinct]

thanks guys :hugz:

oh.. and... daddy daddy daddy daddydaddydaddy daddy :hugz:

[liliana]

Em hotep!
Asking for a friend:
Does anybody know something about "guardians", "helpers" or else sent out by Yinepu?
Thanks

[Morr]

I've also found that Daddy seems to like copper, dark chocolate, and beef. I've had such a curious relationship with Anubis. I recall the day when I decided to go for Refuge and become a Buddhist ... I received a very clear impression from him: "I don't care what path you take, you're not getting rid of me."

I am grateful for him being there. He's been the one to help me learn tough lessons. He's usually the one producing the circumstances under which these lessons are learned, but that's not really the point. When I've become too full of myself, he's knocked me flat on my ass and laughed at me while I was down. When I've been abusing myself, he's the first to pick me up and dust off the delusion of my own inadequacies.

He challenges me to ask "why"? He got me drinking alcohol every now and then, which is in direct violation of one of the Buddhist precepts. He asked me, "didn't your fat man say not to believe anything unless you test it first to see if it's true?" Which is true, the Buddha did. And the founder of Buddhism wasn't fat, by the way, you're thinking of the Chinese Hotei who was so popular that he became synonymous with the Buddha. *nod* (Turns out, I disagree with the precept against abstaining from anything absolutely, since it's in violation of the Buddha's teaching regarding the Middle Path, which is one of his first teachings regarding the taking of everything in moderation, saying that too much of something can be just as bad as too little.)

One of the first things he ever told me was that I was to never worship him, ever. If I did, that would be crossing a line, it would be a grave form of disrespect. It has more to do with the fact that I'm not Kemetic and that worshipping a Kemetic deity would be blasphemy should I do it, but that plays a part in it.

Though I think one of the most impactful lessons he has led me begin to understand is the innevitability of my own death. I am going to die. There is no way around this. It's not something that happens to other people. Everyone dies, and in death, everyone is equal. You can't take wealth or popularity or beauty with you. Dad got me to think that if rebirth, reincarnation, or afterlives in general do not exist, do I really want to waste my entire life worrying about a future that hasn't happened yet, or would I rather enjoy the here and now while I'm here, now? The answer is obvious. It makes more sense to remain grounded in the present moment (while being mindful of possible outcomes of one's speech and actions, because it would be foolish not to). I do not want to be one of those elderly men and women who come into my bookstore, trying to catch up on all the experiences they missed out on in their youth (through books) because they were too busy worrying about their afterlife.

I also hate to say it, but he got me to look at images of death, and two videos. They were all violent deaths, but it was an important lesson because I was forced to recognize that the person dying unnaturally, violently, right there could one day be me. Could I handle that? Could I be prepared for that? It's the reality that they faced, more real and terrifying as anything than I could possibly imagine. Could I deal? Dad wants me to be able to deal with it. He says that strength doesn't come from lifting weights and beefing up your ego with an undeserved sense of superiority and "success." In the words of Tyler Durden, "self-improvement is masterbation." Dad wants me to be real, to be honest, to be me. Which, interestingly enough, is what the Buddhist scriptures seem to be screaming at you. Sometimes there's literal screaming, but you'd find that more common with Zen and Tantric Buddhism (I suspect).

So, I am very grateful for his presence in my life, as difficult as it can be at times. But life is also difficult at times. The point isn't to judge it, thinking: "I like this, I don't like this, I'd rather pretend this isn't happening right now," because that just wastes time and gets us falling into the trap that is our egoic selves - the part that really does die with death and that we leave rotting inside our skulls.

I think I'll end this here before I take up too much of your time. Thank you kindly.



I think I'm beginning to realize that Anubis' role in my life is a lot like what you are describing.

He's been pulling at my ear in the past few months, and yes I finally caved in and got him a little statue and put it on my altar :lol:

I dont get the feeling that he's trying to "convert" me or anything. I think he wants me to know that he is here, he is watching and he has some plans for me. Not necesserily as a Patron God, but as a friend or a distant uncle.

He seems to have great respect to my Patron Gods and my path (Irish), and they seem to like to have him around. So it works out.

I am excited about it, to be honest!

[maiem]

i think Hemet said once that the Mut was more of a title :hmmmmm:

Mut can be a title, just like the name of ANY Kemetic god. But She isn't just a title.

Sorry, I get hissy when people try to discount Her or other gods like that. :P

I've never heard of a Mut Saq

We need a child of Mut first I think.

Quoting you again :P
Hemet can be the vessel for any of the gods, and Mut beloveds can also be Her vessel...I think the only w'ab we have who has Mut as a beloved right now is K-I Niankh...and me in August, though I don't know if I'll ever be saq-trained.

::sighs:: I'd love to see Mut in saq too.


And to contribute to the original topic....YAY YINEPU!:clapping: He's never been silly around me, I just get the lurking grinning from the sahdows thing :

[OrionNeb87]

I see yinepu every time I look at my dog Ebony, she just doesn't have the pointy ears. :)

[Sobeq]

Soooo, folks, I'm either going crazy or Yinepu/Wepwawet is following me, along with a few others -- but mostly Him. Yinepu has been around every so often -- when I went to see the fireworks for the 4th this week I definitely had the impression that He was sitting next to me for a moment, bouncing and pointing excitedly. He also came around when I was eating pixy stix, so I offered him a few. He seemed to enjoy. The oddest thing was, as I was settling down to meditate last night I was exhausted, sore and sort of in pain. I was half awake, when I half-dreamed that Wepwawet (definitely not Yinepu) sat next to me and told me not to worry, that he had something to teach me but it wasn't time yet. And then (I'm so embarassed to actually say this, because it sounds so far fetched) but he sang me one of my favourite hymns -- "You Are Mine" for any Catholics or former Catholics around here, it was a very peculiar incident. As I was falling asleep that night, Wepwawet came back, and basically said "I'll be around, and so will he" and he pointed to Yinepu. Yinepu's been around more on a casual, "Hey Hi How ya doing" level.

Sooo, I have no idea what's going on, I might be going crazy.

[kheretsenu]

Wepwawet has a way of making you feel like you're crazy. (He's my spiritual Dad, but then I probably am crazy...)

In my experience, Wepwawet is one of the more vocal Kemetic deities, more vocal even than His flip-side, Yinepu.

He may be claiming you, or He may be leading you somewhere - He's exceptionally good at that! At any rate, good luck and don't forget the rum (He wanted me to tell you that :p)

:cheers:

[Sobeq]

Know any good rum substitutes? I'd give him some, but I'm underage and the only folks with rum I know are my aunts. My parents would understand!

[Anubis]

Know any good rum substitutes? I'd give him some, but I'm underage and the only folks with rum I know are my aunts. My parents would understand!
He also likes cranberry juice.. and actually it isn't the drink.. it's the fact that you wish to share... heck it could be water for all he cares.. just so long as you are sincere... cause he can spot a phony a mile away!

[Erincelt]

Actually, yes, He does send out his little servitor spirits (heh heh) now and then. All the Netjeru have their representative spirits ("netjeri"), and will at times send them forth to do... whatever. Depends on the god, and on the situation. One can somewhat compare the idea of the netjeri with the idea of the Kami within Shinto. There's a netjeri for darned near everything (computer netjeri!?) whether or not they are extended from a specific godform. Finding one or more of these servitors acting as guardians and/or guides is fairly common.

[kheretsenu]

Oh, well actually I can't drink alcohol myself (medical stuff) so when I offer it, I have to either give it to my SO or let it evaporate.

But as for alternatives - sure. He'd like anything sweet, and water is a wonderful traditional offering.

[Meirya]

Actually, yes, He does send out his little servitor spirits (heh heh) now and then. All the Netjeru have their representative spirits ("netjeri"), and will at times send them forth to do... whatever. . . .Finding one or more of these servitors acting as guardians and/or guides is fairly common.

!! Okay, so THAT explains that! I had a (nonphysical) jackal following me around for quite some time; I referred to him as my "guardian jackal" and thought of him as Anpu's version of a guardian angel. *heh* Made sure to offer him tea and such when I made offerings to Anpu in daily ritual as well. He disappeared for a while - I think it wasa because I didn't need him, or something - but in the past day or so he's returned. Just tends to sit and . . . watch. I hadn't heard anyone else give any similar experiences, so I thought maybe I was just imagining things and I didn't want to actually say anything about it, but . . . that's actually very interesting. Thanks for the info!

[Sobeq]

Alrighty, now I've got a silly question.

How does one pronounce Wepwawet?

*sheepish grin*

[Romani Vixen]

There are probably others better educated... but...

I pronounce His name "whep-wah-wet" I have found one thing helps me in pronounciation... remember that they didn't write vowels. Any that are in there are solely guesses in translation. so... say "Wpwwt" you will automatically (or I do at least) hear vowels... this is just how our mouths work.

Hope that helps.

[Romani Vixen]

He also likes cranberry juice.. and actually it isn't the drink.. it's the fact that you wish to share... heck it could be water for all he cares.. just so long as you are sincere... cause he can spot a phony a mile away!

Spotting a phony is one of the main parts of "what he does".

hum... I wonder if thats why I always find out if someone is lying to me.

[OrionNeb87]

There are probably others better educated... but...

I pronounce His name "whep-wah-wet" I have found one thing helps me in pronounciation... remember that they didn't write vowels. Any that are in there are solely guesses in translation. so... say "Wpwwt" you will automatically (or I do at least) hear vowels... this is just how our mouths work.

Hope that helps.

Thats how I pronounce it. :)

[Romani Vixen]

As far as a rum substitute...

Rum is made from sugar. He really does love anything really sweet. You can also buy imitation rum flavoring at the store in the baking isle. You might add a little to some soda (cream soda hits me as the ideal), or milk.

Remember... you don't *have* to give them alcohol. Or imitation alcohol. Yes, many of them like it, but I havn't heard of any insisting that they get it from someone who can't for one reason or another (age, alcoholic in the family, etc)

Yenipu is also a bit of a pirate. Yes... I know it seems odd. Specially sence I've had a pirate thing for *years*. But it also explains the rum adoration. You could offer him anything particularly piraty, or even nautical, and he'd love it!!!

And yes... I love rum. My best friend calls me a rum whore. :P

One thing that you'll find when working with the Names, is that you can start with the basics.. bread, water. Flowers are good. Eventually, you'll start getting impressions... Oh... She'd love this!!! As an example, today I got one of the new Arby's Orange Cream shakes. About half way through I realised that Serqet would adore it!

Oh... and I havn't offered chocolate to any Name and have them not like it! Some prefer light, some prefer dark. Dejhuty loves the milky way midnight balls. :D

[TaysatWesir]

Yinepu-Wepwawet visited my dreams the other day he hangs around me early morning or eveing.

[TaysatWesir]

Is Yinepu-Wepwawet and Wepwawet-Yinepu the same or different synchronization? Also Aset-Serqet and Serqet-Aset is a different synchronization or the same?

[Zephyrstorm]

They're the same Gods but with a different emphasis on roles.
I'll let a Yinepup explain further, or an Aset-Serqet kid explain more though.

[La Fortuna]

Hi there,:wave:

Wepwawet is pronounced OOP-OO-AT. According to my book by James Allen, Middle Egyptian, W is pronounced as OO.

Upuat, Opener of the Ways, is the earlier form of Anpu. Upuat is the Wolf image and Anpu the Jackal. They were morphed together as Upuat/Yinepu.

Upuat is instrumental in my divination work. He is one of the Divinatory gods (netjer).

He is Prince Upuat who Opens the Way for Sekhmet to do her work.

I have a statue of Anpu on my altar to represent him as there are none of him as the wolf.

Same guy though. Tall, dark, buff, handsome with a wicked sense of humor.

He does love rum, date sugar and hard candy especially. His stone is serpentine, metal--brass,, incense--cassia, and scent--camphor, his tree is the date palm and his color is Black.

He represents the good that comes from proper use of theurgy. He allows poison to be turned to medicine or positive influences to transmute from negative ones. He can heal psychic afflictions, especially fear. He guides those who are lost. He guides the dead to the Hall of Maat. He helps inlearning secrets and is instrumental in the contact of the dead. Anything that does not respond to normal treatment, he assistsin a course of action to bring about the remedy.

He is associated with Anpu, Heka and Khepri.

A couple of his epithets are "The Watcher", and "He Who is Upon His Mountain."

He is ruler of the birth house of Scorpio (mine).

Dua, Upuat, He Who Is Upon His Mountain.

Blessings, La Fortuna :) :fpraise:

[Meirya]

He is Prince Upuat who Opens the Way for Sekhmet to do her work.

Um? Elaborate? Originally, Wepwawet was a war deity; "opener of ways" referred to a sort of "scout" role. Scouts range forward ahead of the army to seek out the enemy and find the best route to go; that's what "opening the ways" meant early on. His role increased in importance and use as the years rolled on, so that he was invoked in quite a number of rituals to open the ways for various non-war things.

I haven't actually found any sources linking Wepwawet and Yinepu in ancient Egypt; I think that might be a modern fusion. If someone could give me a source of a Yinepu-Wepwawet fusion in ancient Egypt, I'd appreciate it; I haven't run across it anywhere else but pagan and kemetic communities.

People fuse them so often nowadays that Wepwawet by himself, without the fusion to Yinepu, is rarely referred to, and it worries me. Wepwawet's an individual deity in his own right; yes, he gets fused with others just like any of the other netjeru, but he shouldn't be forgotten individually either, I don't think...

Same guy though. Tall, dark, buff, handsome with a wicked sense of humor.

Actually, Wepwawet is commonly depicted as a gray-colored wolf. So I don't think "dark" works here. ^_~

[La Fortuna]

Well, I understand that. I was just curious after reading the chapter on him. And the sudden interest I have in him makes sense... Baron Samedi, who I work with, works much in the same way as Anubis, it seems from your blurb. So, I guess it would be natural that my little anttena would go a-fluttering after reading about him.

HI there Kendrah:wave:


Here is a little on Papa Legba and Baron Samedi, I hope you enjoy the similarities with Anpu. Of course, there are attributes that are completely unlike Upuat/Yinepu.
http://www.carrefoursacre.com/Legba.jpgLegba (Ellegua) is the fist lwa called in ceremonial order to open the way for others tobe possessed by the spirits of the spiritual world.

St Lazarus, left, St, Peter and St. Anthony are compared to Papa Legba. He is also compared to Hermes, who is compared to Anpu.

As his equililent St Peter, he opens the way form the material to the spiritual worlds.


"So humble and benevolent is Papa Legba that He never needs sacrifices of pigs, or bulls or big fiesta to be done in His honor. He is happy with a modest cup of coffee, a fistful of grilled or roasted corn or peanuts, some tobacco that He smokes in a noticeably simple pipe made of little bamboo and corncob. He goes about constantly throughout the "great road of Life", that is why He is also called "Mèt Gran Chemen" or the Master of the great Road. He stops here and there at the entrances of every Hounfo, just the time to distribute graciously His thoughtful advises to Hougans and Manbos." (Beauvoir, 1994)
www.sosyetedumarche.com/Vodou_Info/Lwa/Legba/legba.html (http://www.sosyetedumarche.com/Vodou_Info/Lwa/Legba/legba.html)



In Vodun or voodoo (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voodoo), Baron Samedi (Baron Saturday, also Baron Samdi, Bawon Samedi, or Bawon Sanmdi) is one of the aspects of Baron, one of the loa (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loa). He is a loa of the dead, along with Baron's other incarnations Baron Cimetière (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baron_Cimeti%C3%A8re), Baron La Croix (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baron_La_Croix), Uncle Skeleton (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Uncle_Skeleton&action=edit) and Baron Kriminel (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Baron_Kriminel&action=edit). Baron Samedi is usually depicted with a top hat, black tuxedo, dark glasses, and cotton plugs in the nostrils, as if to resemble an undertaker. He has a white, frequently skull-like face and speaks in a nasal voice. He is one of the Guédé (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gu%C3%A9d%C3%A9), or an aspect of them, or possibly their spiritual father. His wife is the loa (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loa) Maman Brigitte (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maman_Brigitte).
Baron Samedi stands at the crossroads, where the souls of dead humans pass on their way to Guinee (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guinee). As well as being the all-knowing god of death, he is a sexual god, frequently represented by phallic symbols and noted for disruption, obscenity, debauchery, and having a particular fondness for rum. Additionally, he is the god of love and resurrection.

He is New World in origin, not African. The Haitian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haiti) dictator François “Papa Doc” Duvalier (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fran%C3%A7ois_Duvalier) was infamous for taking on the guise of Baron Samedi, a persona which helped the tyrant oppress the rural populace of the island. It is said that Papa Doc looked exactly like the classic representation of the Baron and used this much to his advantage[citation needed (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citing_sources)].



Baron Samedi is one of the Guédés, related to and intertwined with Baron Cimitère and Baron La Croix. He is an Guédé of the Americas, bridging the Guédés and Legba. Both are guardians of the crossroads, the place where spirits cross over into our world. If the intercessions desired are with the loa, then Legba is saluted and asked to allow the loa to participate. If the intercessions are with the dead, then Guédé is the intercessor.

Baron Samedi is usually seen wearing top hat, black coat tails, sunglasses, and smoking a



Papa Legba is the oldest of the African loa which does correspond to Upuat/Yinepu being one of the oldest Netjer. The Upuat form came hundreds of years before the jackal form according to Rosemary David, Egyptologist.

ANkh Udja Seneb, en Maat UdjatSekhmet (La Fortuna):fpraise:

[La Fortuna]

Um? Elaborate? Originally, Wepwawet was a war deity; "opener of ways" referred to a sort of "scout" role. Scouts range forward ahead of the army to seek out the enemy and find the best route to go; that's what "opening the ways" meant early on. His role increased in importance and use as the years rolled on, so that he was invoked in quite a number of rituals to open the ways for various non-war things.

This was his role in opening the way for Sekhmet to perform her destruction. He follows ahead of her everywhere to enable her to do her work.

I haven't actually found any sources linking Wepwawet and Yinepu in ancient Egypt; I think that might be a modern fusion. If someone could give me a source of a Yinepu-Wepwawet fusion in ancient Egypt, I'd appreciate it; I haven't run across it anywhere else but pagan and kemetic communities.

If you are able to get ahold of any copies of Rosalie David's work, there you will find references to Upuat and the later merging (as twins) with Anpu. It is the same when the Upper and Lower Egypt united, the statues of Set and Heru were united for a time. They were called the twins. I think is is more to do with harmonious fusion of principles, rather than a fusion of identity and personality.

People fuse them so often nowadays that Wepwawet by himself, without the fusion to Yinepu, is rarely referred to, and it worries me. Wepwawet's an individual deity in his own right; yes, he gets fused with others just like any of the other netjeru, but he shouldn't be forgotten individually either, I don't think...

I agree, I do not fuse him and work with him separately from Anpu.
I rarely, if ever, call Anpu although for lack of a better statue, I have Anpu in my shrine whom I call Upuat. There seems to be no problem with this. Until I find the proper wolf, I will have Anpu and probably always will. I have grown accustomed to his appearance as Upuat.

Same guy though. Tall, dark, buff, handsome with a wicked sense of humor.[/quote

Actually, Wepwawet is commonly depicted as a gray-colored wolf. So I don't think "dark" works here. ^_~

Although Upuat may have been depicted as the gray wolf, the reference to dark comes from the relationship to death and the underworld.

It, also, goes back to my belief in polyvalent logic. Several ideas, experiences, beliefs can be true simultaneously.

Those who call Upuat (OOp-OO-At) with this pronunciation would be considered correct, howevr, there are several adherents who call him Wepwawet with the "W" sound. This does not make them wrong, it is simply how they see him and call him. I think he knows who he is and does not seem to mind this pronunciation. In fact, I brought up another member's pronounciation of Upuat to the Nisut at HoN and although she told the pronounciation was OOp-OO-At when I had my divination, she supported the other member's pronunciation because this is how that member experiences him.

By all linguistic standards the "W" pronounciation is incorrect, however, in spiritual matters, that person's relationship with the deity supercedes what others consider "correct".

There are very dark colored wolves and I am not sure that we can ascertain what the wolves looked like in that very earlier period. Just as dogs come in many colors, so do wolves. Everything, animals, geography, humans was all very different 8 to 25 thousand years ago or more. The reality of the use of the word "dark", as I mentioned, comes from the relationship with the dark underworld, just as Egypt is referred to as the "black" land referring to the black silt that is a result of the inundation and not the color of its inhabitants.


As time went on and the dog or wolf became domesticated, the referrences were probably evolving as well. Dog became friend to man and the jackal's association with cemetaries is well known.

This is the result of my research. This is not based on my personal opinion. As I researched this quite some time ago, I am not able to give you definite references except for that of Rosalie David.


Blessings, La Fortuna (UdjatSekhmet)

[HetHert]

In my studies Upuat is the guardian of the gates and halls that lead from Ament to Earth and Anpu guards the gates and halls that lead from earth to Ament.

Upuat is white where as Anpu is black.


I've gotten this from studying works on Heaven and Hell as well as well as the Duat and works on Gods and Goddesses of Ancient Egypt from different authors.

[La Fortuna]

Hi all!:wave:

Yes, Hethert has put very succinctly.

The other night he came to me all white and golden in a dream. Other times he comes to me as black and always as a wolf.

There may be something to this fusion idea afterall, as I believe he comes to me in the color according to the message or function of the service he is performing.

It is very interesting how all the different adherents experience Upuat and Anpu.

We choose to personify the Netjer as they would have us do and we should keep in mind, that they represent cosmic principles and functions. If we are aware of those principles and functions, we can call upon them as we know them.

For instance, one may call upon Set to connect with the expression of chaos or for help with a person causing chaos. It is all in how we invoke the name.

One may not be successful calling upon Nefertem to handle a case having to do with a person causing chaos, however he may be called upon to mitigate chaotic surroundings with his perfume.

Very interesting subject, Upuat/Yinepu.

Ankh Udja Sekhmet, La Fortuna:fpraise:

[HetHert]

*nod nod*

[HetHert]

I think to a certain degree an understanding of what Ament is might help in gaining an better insight and perspective into the roles of Upuat and Anpu. As guardians they hold a very specific function and as guardians of the "veil" what functions and purposes for guarding the souls in Ament and earth from rending those veils should we be aware of? Seeing how october is approaching in a few months I may initiate a meditation with them both to further my understanding there in. Perhaps it is that a seance or any ritual designed to touch upon ones relatives or friends that have passed over would indeed need to be presided by or the invitation to have the ways opened by "both" Anpu and Upuat. Hmmmm?

[La Fortuna]

I think to a certain degree an understanding of what Ament is might help in gaining an better insight and perspective into the roles of Upuat and Anpu. As guardians they hold a very specific function and as guardians of the "veil" what functions and purposes for guarding the souls in Ament and earth from rending those veils should we be aware of? Seeing how october is approaching in a few months I may initiate a meditation with them both to further my understanding there in. Perhaps it is that a seance or any ritual designed to touch upon ones relatives or friends that have passed over would indeed need to be presided by or the invitation to have the ways opened by "both" Anpu and Upuat. Hmmmm?

Hethert!:wave:

That is a wonderful idea!! I would love for you to post regarding this on the Group site if you have time. You already seem to have a wonderful grasp of their functions.

I always call upon Upuat when I am asked to contact the Blessed Dead. This is the most expedient and reliable of means.

If you decide to do this meditation, it might be fun to let us know when so we can participate in our respective shrines or temples. If you don't mind making it a group effort, that is. It would be interesting to see the results from different folks.

You have such great experience and knowledge and I thank you for sharing your insights!

Ankh Udja Seneb, UdjatSekhmet (La Fortuna):fpraise: