Are there Prophets of God among us today?

[mmauren]

Are there Prophet's of God among us today? If there are, how do you know that a person claiming such a thing is truly a Prophet?

I produce a podcast titled Prophet of God - Discerning the Truth. In this podcast we will investigate one man who claims to be a Prophet. To see him on the street he looks like anyone of us. Except that he claims God speaks to him and through him. He claims God heals people through him.

This man has never been on TV or radio, nor does he belong to a church. He works a blue-collar job and lives a modest and unassuming life. He has an amazing knowledge of the Bible, he's articulate and it is truly compelling to listen to him.
Imagine if it's true. Imagine if this man is a real Prophet of God. It will make for an incredible podcast and it will be a wonderful gift and resource for all of us listening. So let's find out. In this program we will ask objective, straight forward questions. You will also have the opportunity to ask questions and make comments. The show is available for free, there is no advertising and no registration necessary.

http://www.prophetcast.com

[Vincent Verthaine]

Noticed this was your first post.
Nice little bit of cut n paste there.

Sorry if I sound a little skeptical,but this seems to me to be back door prostyletizing.

Wonder how many pagan forums you've hit already.

I would like to know what your opinions are about paganism,if it's alright to ask.



So the guy knows his bible.
Doesn't mean he's a prophet.
I'd like to see some scientific proof of his claims please.

[Dawa Lhamo]

Eh, I just report it and let the authorities decide.
Tashi delek!
Dawa Lhamo

[morningstar2651]

Welcome to Mystic Wicks.

I'm sorry, but I'm skeptical of people that have to advertize their achievements to gain recognition.

[LordHelmet]

It is odd that someones first post would be entirely cut and paste, no comments or anything. and then there's the 'you will be givin a chance to discuss... bla bla.' hmmmmm

[morningstar2651]

It is odd that someones first post would be entirely cut and paste, no comments or anything. and then there's the 'you will be givin a chance to discuss... bla bla.' hmmmmm
First and only post. It looks like they might have been lurking for a while after posting this though.

[LordHelmet]

why do you say they were lurking afterward? At any rate it's very odd if they did... very odd indeed.

[Xentor]

Admin mode

Although mmauren does ask us to visit their web site, there is no payment or registration involved. That makes their post not a spam post. However it seems to be in the wrong forum, thus this thread will be moved to Personal Websites.

Thusfar mmauren has not violated the MW rules. If you don't wish to read (or hear) about their message, you are free to ignore the link.

All of you, stop discussing someone's intentions. Use the report button if you find something suspicious, but do not publicly slander someone's reputation, especially if they are new to the community.

[LordHelmet]

your right. If it was an actual person we should be nice and say hello.

so.. Welcome to Mystic Wicks!

[ValD]

Interesting coincidence - on another forum, we've been discussing prophets and whether or not they are from God. The general consensus is that it doesn't matter how much of the Bible they know or how "godly" they appear to be; the important thing is - are their prophecies a) capable of being undeniably proven or disproven and b) accurate?

[Dawa Lhamo]

Well, I've been wrong in the past, that's certainly true.

I think Jesus saw himself more as a prophet, really. And he said "by the fruits of their actions, ye shall know them." That seems like a pretty good indicator. If this guy is really a prophet, then in time, his actions will show it...

I dunno that I really believe in prophets per se, though...

Anyway...

Tashi delek!
Dawa Lhamo

[mol]

Interesting coincidence - on another forum, we've been discussing prophets and whether or not they are from God. The general consensus is that it doesn't matter how much of the Bible they know or how "godly" they appear to be; the important thing is - are their prophecies a) capable of being undeniably proven or disproven and b) accurate?
SOme folks say I am a prophet...

Eh? Eh?! =)

[BlackMagicalCat]

Are there Prophet's of God among us today? If there are, how do you know that a person claiming such a thing is truly a Prophet?

I produce a podcast titled Prophet of God - Discerning the Truth. In this podcast we will investigate one man who claims to be a Prophet. To see him on the street he looks like anyone of us. Except that he claims God speaks to him and through him. He claims God heals people through him.

This man has never been on TV or radio, nor does he belong to a church. He works a blue-collar job and lives a modest and unassuming life. He has an amazing knowledge of the Bible, he's articulate and it is truly compelling to listen to him.
Imagine if it's true. Imagine if this man is a real Prophet of God. It will make for an incredible podcast and it will be a wonderful gift and resource for all of us listening. So let's find out. In this program we will ask objective, straight forward questions. You will also have the opportunity to ask questions and make comments. The show is available for free, there is no advertising and no registration necessary.

http://www.prophetcast.com
Well,send your Prophet to pray for my beloved pagan friends here,if he isnt too busy I mean.You dont think he will mind do you?

There are many here who need energy,a touch from God,and a blessing from Goddess,and just an I love you,or a listening ear,or what ever can be done to lift them up.Because to serve God,is to serve others.

God is already here in case you dont see him,and he dwells among us already,with us common folk.

And he already speaks to us,in his own way.We really dont need to hear a prophet,do we?I want God to speak to me himself anyway.

If he lives in me,and he does,then I would think he is able to speak to me also.

I think if you take time to come here and serve,you will find God and Goddess is already among us.

[Dawa Lhamo]

SOme folks say I am a prophet...

Eh? Eh?! =)The answer to that lies in the question: Can one be a god and a prophet at the same time? ;)

Tashi delek!
Dawa Lhamo

[morningstar2651]

The answer to that lies in the question: Can one be a god and a prophet at the same time? ;)

Tashi delek!
Dawa Lhamo
The prophetic magic 8 ball says "Ask again later". 8O

Good scriptural knowledge doesn't mean good prophecies. Hopefully these predictions stay prediction and don't become postdiction (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postdiction).

[mmauren]

First of all let me clarify something. I am not a prophet. I am doing a podcast talking with and investigating a man that claims to be a prophet of God. I am simply a "radio guy" if you will, that found this man very interesting. I too am skeptical about things like this but just as I was about to blow it off I thought what if there's a possibility that he is real. Would any of us believe it if a true prophet or even Jesus Christ walked up to us. I'm guessing no. Anyway the point of the program isn't to make money or even promote this man necessarily. I don't give his last name. The point is to see if we can prove it absolutely on way or the other. If he isn't I will expose that and the show will end. If he's real then it could get interesting. I open it up to listeners to ask any and all questions. i won't allow him to side step anything.

I will tell you this though. Even though I am skeptical I have seen son unusual and unexplainable things since working with him. I saw him heal a man of a life long knee problem. This was a man he didn't know and I brought to him. On the fourth program I had him do a prayer to release listeners from the grips of fear. Within the prayer he talks in kind of a native American like language. This when he claims god is speaking through him. Upon playing this recording for two people that had never met him I was amazed that it had a profound, visable and positive effect on both of them. He has also picked up on times when an individual had a tramatic event in their life and he's always been right on. He then prays to heal them of that trauma.

Is it real? I'm not absolutely positive but it has been a little freaky to say the least. I just hope that I can determine his validity ultimately. I'm not looking to convert anyone into believers. I'm just looking for assistance in trying to figure this out. I'm looking for people that might have similar interests that might be attracted to such a show. The one poster said that you can judge a prophet by his fruits. That is absolutely right but you can't know that untill you listen to the show.

[BlackMagicalCat]

First of all let me clarify something. I am not a prophet. I am doing a podcast talking with and investigating a man that claims to be a prophet of God. I am simply a "radio guy" if you will, that found this man very interesting. I too am skeptical about things like this but just as I was about to blow it off I thought what if there's a possibility that he is real. Would any of us believe it if a true prophet or even Jesus Christ walked up to us. I'm guessing no. Anyway the point of the program isn't to make money or even promote this man necessarily. I don't give his last name. The point is to see if we can prove it absolutely on way or the other. If he isn't I will expose that and the show will end. If he's real then it could get interesting. I open it up to listeners to ask any and all questions. i won't allow him to side step anything.

I will tell you this though. Even though I am skeptical I have seen son unusual and unexplainable things since working with him. I saw him heal a man of a life long knee problem. This was a man he didn't know and I brought to him. On the fourth program I had him do a prayer to release listeners from the grips of fear. Within the prayer he talks in kind of a native American like language. This when he claims god is speaking through him. Upon playing this recording for two people that had never met him I was amazed that it had a profound, visable and positive effect on both of them. He has also picked up on times when an individual had a tramatic event in their life and he's always been right on. He then prays to heal them of that trauma.

Is it real? I'm not absolutely positive but it has been a little freaky to say the least. I just hope that I can determine his validity ultimately. I'm not looking to convert anyone into believers. I'm just looking for assistance in trying to figure this out. I'm looking for people that might have similar interests that might be attracted to such a show. The one poster said that you can judge a prophet by his fruits. That is absolutely right but you can't know that untill you listen to the show.
Well,What do I know,,,,,,,,,Okay,Im familiar with the bible,And I should be,Im a christian.

A tree is known by the fruit that it bears.

I look at a persons life,their actions speak so much louder than thier words do.

Invite this prophet to pray for the many needs in our help and hugs area.Okay,maybe he doesnt have the time too,but if he has time to answer our questions,then surely he has time to come here and pray for those in need.

Thatway,they will know themselves,when thier prayers are answered.

Why dont you pray in our helps and hugs area too.

[mmauren]

I don't think you quite get the point. This man is a simple, very humble guy. He doesn't see himself as special. He is simply a conduit for Gods word and good works. He works in a blue collar job and when he's not working or sleeping he is praying for people locally and around the country. It's not a matter of if he has time. He says that when he is praying for someone, that is when he feels the most alive.

He's not trying to convert anyone nor does it matter to him if you believe who he says he is. He simply wants to do what God directs him to do. Given that you are a Pagan you are predisposed to not believe in this sort of thing and that's fine. I just thought it was interesting and wanted to open it up to others that might find it interesting.

As far as praying for you he would be happy to. But I'm told that in order to receive the gifts of God you have to be open to it. Based on your sarcasm I'm guessing you're not. But if you really like him to do that I'm sure he will.

[BlackMagicalCat]

I don't think you quite get the point. This man is a simple, very humble guy. He doesn't see himself as special. He is simply a conduit for Gods word and good works. He works in a blue collar job and when he's not working or sleeping he is praying for people locally and around the country. It's not a matter of if he has time. He says that when he is praying for someone, that is when he feels the most alive.

He's not trying to convert anyone nor does it matter to him if you believe who he says he is. He simply wants to do what God directs him to do. Given that you are a Pagan you are predisposed to not believe in this sort of thing and that's fine. I just thought it was interesting and wanted to open it up to others that might find it interesting.

As far as praying for you he would be happy to. But I'm told that in order to receive the gifts of God you have to be open to it. Based on your sarcasm I'm guessing you're not. But if you really like him to do that I'm sure he will.Well,bless your heart,sorry If I seemed sarcastic.

Im not pagan either,Im a christian.Dont let my wiccan looking avatar fool ya.But you can understand how leary I am when a man is lifted up as a mighty prophet of God.God is no respector of persons,and praying for others is something everyone should do who loves God,its not something special,its our duty.

After we have done all we were commanded to do,we as christians are to say
That we are unprofitable servants,(the bible says this)and we just did what was our duty to do.
And you say he is a simple and humble man,yet you lift him up as though he were mighty,and supper anointed,when we are all supposed to be humble and simple.

As christians we are servants,and we serve.The bible says if you want to be great,you must be servant of all.there is a great prophet that we should be lifting up as believers,and that would be the Lord Jesus Christ.So after he done all the great prophesying,he just did his duty,and God is the one who is to be honored and lifted up as the great one.

We lift him up by the life we live,and by our service to others.God speaks to the lowly,as well as the prophet,what he tells your great prophet,he will tell the witch who lifts up her voice and calls on him.Because God is not a respector of persons.

You are welcome to post in my prayer space if you like,as is your prophet,and pray for any and all.Heck,start you own prayer space.But they dont allow proselatizing here.
My prayer space is in the alter of the ancients,Azzeenasman.And there are many others who need prayer too,so jump in and serve,and bless ,and love,and uplift,and comfort the hurting.

If the mighty prophet decides to show up here,PM me if you dont mind.

Bless you.:wave:

[morningstar2651]

I don't think you quite get the point. This man is a simple, very humble guy.Having a podcast dedicated to theirself does not strike me as something a humble person would consent to.

[BlackMagicalCat]

OKay,I listened to some of the mighty prophet,and this is what he did.

He blamed his own frieken mother for not having faith,and using her infirmity and sickness to manipulate others,so she died.Because she didnt have enough faith.

Your prophet sounds sick,tell him I said,we are all going to die,at some piont,and blaming your own mother is disrespectfull to the woman who gave you life,and brought your little knaked rearend into this world.

Honor thy father and thy mother,for this is the first commandment with promise-bible

[morningstar2651]

OKay,I listened to some of the mighty prophet,and this is what he did.

He blamed his own frieken mother for not having faith,and using her infirmity and sickness to manipulate others,so she died.Because she didnt have enough faith.

Your prophet sounds sick,tell him I said,we are all going to die,at some piont,and blaming your own mother is disrespectfull to the woman who gave you life,and brought your little knaked rearend into this world.

Honor thy father and thy mother,for this is the first commandment with promise-bibleI'm listening to the show right now. The host doesn't sound skeptical of Jerry at all.

I'm already catching scripture being used out of context in the first podcast. My verdict is in. He's a nut.

You might want to mention your show at ChristianForums (http://www.christianforums.com), it's the most active Christian discussion board in the world.

[mmauren]

Again, you can believe what you like but you really still don't get the point. I've tried to be as clear as I can. I'm curious though. You suggest he took a scripture out of context. Tell me which one and how he took it out of context. I'll question him on that and see how he responds.

[BlackMagicalCat]

Again, you can believe what you like but you really still don't get the point. I've tried to be as clear as I can. I'm curious though. You suggest he took a scripture out of context. Tell me which one and how he took it out of context. I'll question him on that and see how he responds.
Hey,I wonder if someone showed up at the great prophets church and said,Hey everyone,Come see the Great witch of Goddess.Sorta like,The great prophet of God,but instead ,The Great witch of Goddess.::lol: :lol:

Well,at least you are nice,you keep saying I missed your point though.

Enjoy your stay here and why not go introduce yourself in the introductions area.

[morningstar2651]

Again, you can believe what you like but you really still don't get the point. I've tried to be as clear as I can. I'm curious though. You suggest he took a scripture out of context. Tell me which one and how he took it out of context. I'll question him on that and see how he responds.

The LORD thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me; unto him ye shall hearken; According to all that thou desiredst of the LORD thy God in Horeb in the day of the assembly, saying, Let me not hear again the voice of the LORD my God, neither let me see this great fire any more, that I die not. And the LORD said unto me, They have well spoken that which they have spoken. I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him. And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him. But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die. And if thou say in thine heart, How shall we know the word which the LORD hath not spoken? When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.Philip findeth Nathanael, and saith unto him, We have found him, of whom Moses in the law, and the prophets, did write, Jesus of Nazareth, the son of Joseph.
And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you: Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began. For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you. And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people.
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
I hope this answers your questions from a scriptural perspective. The very first bit of scripture from the very first podcast talks about a single prophet, which, according to the Bible, is Jesus (or Muhammad if you're Islamic). Not Jerry...unless he claims to be the second coming or the Jewish messiah.

Sorry, but from what I've seen, this is a podcast with unproven stories (with a marked lack of evidence) treated as objective fact. Don't take it personally - I meet the claims of Pagans with the same level of skepticism. I've dealt with my share of self-proclaimed prophets.

[mol]

ADMIN MODE

Moved to website analysis.

All hail the incredible, moving, pulsating thread.

[BlackMagicalCat]

Something else the mighty prophet said that seems weird,He said demons speak to him and call him Gods cop.

I do beleive in the spirit world,and in demons and angels,it sounds a bit lofty
to think that all the demonic authoritys stand back in awe at the site of the mighty prophet.

And he seems to make it a big deal that within the spirit world he is well known
and respected and feared.

[BlackMagicalCat]

Okay,my last post here.I also noticed that about 90 percent of the podcast,is dedicated to convincing you that the man is a mighty prophet of God.

In my humble opinion,this guy is really into himself.His mission in life sounds like it is getting together a following of people who call him the great prophet.
I didnt hear anything about Christ.

We didnt just fall off the turnip wagon,oh great one.Stay here awhile and you will soon be singing the praises of the Goddess who will humble you.

See ya:wave:

[Shanti]

I dont have time to listen to it all but I did listen to sections of the different recordings.

The thing I wonder is:
it seems that only two people are on these recordings and basically we are to take what Jerry says as truth?
LMAO!! This is the net. Anyone can pretend to be whatever their little heart desires!

Sorry but if someone said they were any kind of messenger from any god, I would not give it second thought, unless they could move my spirit on a real, vrs..tv, net, or any other modern way, level.

This is 2006 and there are people who take advantage of and screw with each others heads everyday!

Any bozo can just say I did this and that and know this and that!

Does the dude have references?

Oh and as for people ignoring a true prophet of god? Well I think god is smart enough to know we live in an untrust worthy period of social time and I think god would know exactly how to get everyones undivided attention.
God would know how to deal with todays mindsets.
If god didnt know how to help his prophet make it clear who he/she is,
then god would be stupid and I dont think you want to assume that god is too stupid to be able to find away to wake his children up.

If Jerry really believes he is a prophet of god..hey great.
He should be very comforted in knowing he was chosen. Congrats Jerry. :)

[Little Billy]

Something else the mighty prophet said that seems weird,He said demons speak to him and call him Gods cop.


Does he eat holy donuts?

[morningstar2651]

The prophet might want to get his mental health evaluated, as should anyone who is devoutly religious. My last examination was in 2004 -- I'm sane.

[morningstar2651]

Something else the mighty prophet said that seems weird,He said demons speak to him and call him Gods cop.This reminds me of the woman that claimed to be "God's doctor (http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/2919/brown.html)".

[mmauren]

Thank you for your input. That's what I'm looking for.
Mike

[BlackMagicalCat]

Thank you for your input. That's what I'm looking for.
Mike
So you are looking for something?Why are you looking for input,if you dont mind answering?

John

[MGD]

The Real Prophets Are The Homeless People Talking To Themselves On The Corner And Swilling Wild Turkey.

[Akhkharu Asgard]

The Real Prophets Are The Homeless People Talking To Themselves On The Corner And Swilling Wild Turkey.

I do not know if you know this, but ever word is not necessarily the beginning of a new sentence. Therefore you do not need to capitalize every word. :spaceman:

[LordHelmet]

So you are looking for something?Why are you looking for input,if you dont mind answering?

John

Hey christian boy, be nice to your friend, give him a break, he's not attacking you. you should try to respect m&m's belief that the nut's a prophet(if he does actualy believe that). Maybe m&m really does want to hear the other side too. Would Jesus be sarcastic to him?

[LordHelmet]

You to there morning star

[Little Billy]

The Real Prophets Are The Homeless People Talking To Themselves On The Corner And Swilling Wild Turkey.

And the people bowed and prayed, To the neon god they made.
And the sign flashed out its warning, In the words that it was forming.
And the sign said, "The words of the prophets are written on the subway walls
And tenement halls." and whisper'd in the sounds of silence.

[Cain]

The Real Prophets Are The Homeless People Talking To Themselves On The Corner And Swilling Wild Turkey.

How many times do I have to say this: you are not a prophet of God and if you took your meds the voices would stop. Get some help damnit...

[mmauren]

I've answered that several times. I'm trying to discern the truth about this man. I'm not a theologian or an expert in anyway about God. I believe in God and have my own experiences in my lifetime that validate my belief. When a man tells me he's a prophet of God of course I don't believe it off hand. Anymore then I would take for granted that anyone on a message board had the ultimate answer or even knew what they're talking about. I find it truly amusing that you all make statements of fact as if you have some expertise. All based on postings by me, an acknowldged neophyte regarding the Bible and theology in general. Or listening to shor segments of the show.

I honestly don't care if you believe he's a prophet or not. I'm not trying to gain him "followers" and the fact is he's said this has been happening to him for 40 years. I did some research and I found that he's never done anything to exploit or profit from what he does. So is this all a master plan 40 years in the making? Or maybe he's crazy...that's why I talk and question him. He may be a lot of things but he's not crazy. It isn't hard to uncover that with the right questions. I've taken him to clergy and people that know a lot more then I do and after meeting him each one of them told me that they believed he is what he says. Still that doesn't convince me absolutely. The Bible says test a prophet and that's what I'm trying to do. You may agree or disagree but that's not what matters to me.

I told you before when I met this man I absolutely didn't believe anything he said. But then I thought what if there was remote possibility that it were true. I walk away from it and I'll never what I missed. I believe I owe it my self and God to do what the Bible says and again, "test the prophet."

The point you all miss is that you believe that I'm trying to exhault this man. that is not the case he is just a guy. More importantly he doesn't see himself as special. What's special is maybe just maybe God speaks and heals through him. It's God that's special. It's God that's important. I know that and this man acknowledges it too.

You want proof? Well that's what I'm trying to find. But not to convince you. I'm looking for proof to me. Once I have it one way or another then I can see what should be done with it. And when I came to this board I was looking for help from people that maybe knew more then I do. Instead I get flip comments and insults. So you haven't been much help. But that's fine. There's a difference between you an I. You think you have all the answers. It comes out of your mouth and it must be fact. That's arrogance and you're fooling yourself. I readily admit that I don't know. But I'm determined to find out and I'll do what ever it takes. If you want to fault me or make fun of me or insult me for that, feel free. It really doesnt concern me.

One last thing regarding your need for proof. As experts that you are I'm surprised that you don't know that when it comes God the operative word is not proof. The word is faith.

[Little Billy]

How many times do I have to say this: you are not a prophet of God and if you took your meds the voices would stop. Get some help damnit...

How do YOU know? Maybe he IS a prophet of God.

Hell, I wouldn't put half the crap MGD claims God says above the big guy.

[Little Billy]

I've answered that several times. I'm trying to discern the truth about this man. I'm not a theologian or an expert in anyway about God. I believe in God and have my own experiences in my lifetime that validate my belief. When a man tells me he's a prophet of God of course I don't believe it off hand.

Wasn't Jesus supposed to be the last one? I was under the impression that the age of prophets was over.

[Akhkharu Asgard]

I've answered that several times. I'm trying to discern the truth about this man. I'm not a theologian or an expert in anyway about God. I believe in God and have my own experiences in my lifetime that validate my belief. When a man tells me he's a prophet of God of course I don't believe it off hand. Anymore then I would take for granted that anyone on a message board had the ultimate answer or even knew what they're talking about. I find it truly amusing that you all make statements of fact as if you have some expertise. All based on postings by me, an acknowldged neophyte regarding the Bible and theology in general. Or listening to shor segments of the show.

I honestly don't care if you believe he's a prophet or not. I'm not trying to gain him "followers" and the fact is he's said this has been happening to him for 40 years. I did some research and I found that he's never done anything to exploit or profit from what he does. So is this all a master plan 40 years in the making? Or maybe he's crazy...that's why I talk and question him. He may be a lot of things but he's not crazy. It isn't hard to uncover that with the right questions. I've taken him to clergy and people that know a lot more then I do and after meeting him each one of them told me that they believed he is what he says. Still that doesn't convince me absolutely. The Bible says test a prophet and that's what I'm trying to do. You may agree or disagree but that's not what matters to me.

I told you before when I met this man I absolutely didn't believe anything he said. But then I thought what if there was remote possibility that it were true. I walk away from it and I'll never what I missed. I believe I owe it my self and God to do what the Bible says and again, "test the prophet."

The point you all miss is that you believe that I'm trying to exhault this man. that is not the case he is just a guy. More importantly he doesn't see himself as special. What's special is maybe just maybe God speaks and heals through him. It's God that's special. It's God that's important. I know that and this man acknowledges it too.

You want proof? Well that's what I'm trying to find. But not to convince you. I'm looking for proof to me. Once I have it one way or another then I can see what should be done with it. And when I came to this board I was looking for help from people that maybe knew more then I do. Instead I get flip comments and insults. So you haven't been much help. But that's fine. There's a difference between you an I. You think you have all the answers. It comes out of your mouth and it must be fact. That's arrogance and you're fooling yourself. I readily admit that I don't know. But I'm determined to find out and I'll do what ever it takes. If you want to fault me or make fun of me or insult me for that, feel free. It really doesnt concern me.

One last thing regarding your need for proof. As experts that you are I'm surprised that you don't know that when it comes God the operative word is not proof. The word is faith.
Is it just me or does this seem a bit hypocritical. Maybe i'll leave it up to someone apparently more "intelligent" than me. What gives you the audacity to assume you are more intelligent about the Bible or Theology in general than others (anywhere or here)? What was you purpose in coming here if you cannot take the "answers" that you sought from us?

[MGD]

How Dare Yuo Question Our Mighty Prophets!

[semi]

Mauren, maybe investigate this guy from a new direction. The man says he's a Prophet of God. Skip that part because it can't be proven or disproved in any way. Look at what the man does. He heals. Many people can heal. Shamans have done it for thousands of years. You don't have to be a prophet to do this. All you need to be is someone who has learned how to heal. The chanting that you mention is also sometimes part of the healing process, whether the chanting is in a language you can understand or just in vocalizations. His ability to learn about past events that have occurred to people as well speaking with "demons" are also skills that many people can acquire, as many shamans have. Religion never has to enter into the picture to acquire these skills. They can be gained systematically and rationally, almost as a science, with no faith in deity needed.

So is he a Prophet of God? You'll probably never know. Does he have some shamanic skills? He probably does. Many people do. No big deal.

[mmauren]

Well at least I get one legitimate response. Semicivilzedman you make some good points. This is something I can use and I will. Thank you. As far as healing and no big deal. Well maybe not. This is the first person that I've met that claims he can do this. As I said I readily admit that I don't know I'm trying to learn. But whether it's a big deal or not where does the healing come from? Thin air? From humans? I've got to think (uninformed as I am) that regardless of what name you attache to a person it has to come from God. Am I wrong about that?

[mmauren]

Akhkharu Asgard read my statement again. I never said I was smarter then you. All I said was that I admit I don't know much. I'm just wondering if you know as much as you act like you do?

[semi]

I don't think metaphysical skills like healing can be defined solely within the parameters of one religion. So are these skills a gift from God? I'd say no, since religion has no bearing at all on who may learn these skills. Everyone may learn these skills. We all have the potential to be shamans. I believe we'd still have the potential for this if no religion had ever been created.

The skills come from many sources. Traditional shamans work with spirit allies, take dream journeys, and so on. People of various religions often attribute these skills to a connection with their deities. But where do these spirit allies and deities come from, where do they exist? In the mind? In the web of energy that holds existence together? No one knows. People have theories, but no one knows. Their faith may convince them that they know, but no one can prove anything.

So I don't know where the skills come from. I have my theories, but nothing can be proven. The bottom line is that it doesn't really matter where the skills come from. Acquiring the skills and the knowledge and wisdom that tends to come with the acquisition of these skills is more important, in my opinion, than where the skills come from. If your guy says that his skills come from God, ok, that's his theory and/or belief. That doesn't mean he's right, but you also can't prove he's wrong. I say talk to the guy, get what you need out of the conversation, then form your own theories. You won't be right or wrong.

[BlackMagicalCat]

Hey christian boy, be nice to your friend, give him a break, he's not attacking you. you should try to respect m&m's belief that the nut's a prophet(if he does actualy believe that). Maybe m&m really does want to hear the other side too. Would Jesus be sarcastic to him?

Im not a boy,im 47,and I am showing him respect,Im asking questions if thats okay with you,dark toddler

[BlackMagicalCat]

I did Pm the man,and smell a rat,I have seen many of these so called prophets face to face,and have even worked with them in person.Like someone else said here,others can do the same.

And I was wondering why MM is hiding and not being open,perhaps he has a good reason,who knows.Im wondering what his intentions are,no big deal,im nobody here anyway,Im just curious.

I say bring the prophet here.MM said he would ask him to pray for us,so he must have access to the prophet,so let the prophet speak for himself.

[BlackMagicalCat]

I've answered that several times. I'm trying to discern the truth about this man. I'm not a theologian or an expert in anyway about God. I believe in God and have my own experiences in my lifetime that validate my belief. When a man tells me he's a prophet of God of course I don't believe it off hand. Anymore then I would take for granted that anyone on a message board had the ultimate answer or even knew what they're talking about. I find it truly amusing that you all make statements of fact as if you have some expertise. All based on postings by me, an acknowldged neophyte regarding the Bible and theology in general. Or listening to shor segments of the show.

I honestly don't care if you believe he's a prophet or not. I'm not trying to gain him "followers" and the fact is he's said this has been happening to him for 40 years. I did some research and I found that he's never done anything to exploit or profit from what he does. So is this all a master plan 40 years in the making? Or maybe he's crazy...that's why I talk and question him. He may be a lot of things but he's not crazy. It isn't hard to uncover that with the right questions. I've taken him to clergy and people that know a lot more then I do and after meeting him each one of them told me that they believed he is what he says. Still that doesn't convince me absolutely. The Bible says test a prophet and that's what I'm trying to do. You may agree or disagree but that's not what matters to me.

I told you before when I met this man I absolutely didn't believe anything he said. But then I thought what if there was remote possibility that it were true. I walk away from it and I'll never what I missed. I believe I owe it my self and God to do what the Bible says and again, "test the prophet."

The point you all miss is that you believe that I'm trying to exhault this man. that is not the case he is just a guy. More importantly he doesn't see himself as special. What's special is maybe just maybe God speaks and heals through him. It's God that's special. It's God that's important. I know that and this man acknowledges it too.

You want proof? Well that's what I'm trying to find. But not to convince you. I'm looking for proof to me. Once I have it one way or another then I can see what should be done with it. And when I came to this board I was looking for help from people that maybe knew more then I do. Instead I get flip comments and insults. So you haven't been much help. But that's fine. There's a difference between you an I. You think you have all the answers. It comes out of your mouth and it must be fact. That's arrogance and you're fooling yourself. I readily admit that I don't know. But I'm determined to find out and I'll do what ever it takes. If you want to fault me or make fun of me or insult me for that, feel free. It really doesnt concern me.

One last thing regarding your need for proof. As experts that you are I'm surprised that you don't know that when it comes God the operative word is not proof. The word is faith.
Well,if you dont care weather or not we believe in this man,why all the trouble?You already sound sold on this guy.Why come to a pagan board to find out if this guy is a man of God?

Why ask a witch if this man is a prophet?Something isnt adding up.

You want my opinion,this man has lifted himself higher than he really is.
He lacks common sense.I based my judgment on the fact he blamed his own mother for dieing,because she didnt have enough faith to be healed.

But most of us know that we are all going to die.It is also a bit selfish to blame your own mother for not having faith(because he probably prayed for her to get healed,and had to have a reason for her not being healed,so he blamed her,instead of himself)to me this is extreemly selfish and disrespectfull to the woman who birthed you.

Im willing to bet he blames others for unanswered prayers,that gives him a cover ,to support his beliefs,and puts the blame on another.

And that is what I based my judgment on.

[mmauren]

I asked you how I was hiding and dishonest. I PM'd you back and you never answered. Tell you what I will put any information up about myself that you are willing to put up about yourself. You're not hiding are you.

I'll give you some freebies though. I'm 45, male, married, have two kids, live in a suburb of Minneapolis/St. Paul and I work in radio.

Your turn Azzy.


Secondly you weren't listening to the show very well. His mother is not dead. She is still alive. So how can he "blame" her for dying. If you want to debate you really need to know what you're talking about.

Why come to a Pagan board? Why not? I'm not looking for people to agree necessarily. I want some insight from all angles. Unfortunately so far the only person whose made any cogent points was semicivilizedman. He doesn't have to believe or agree. But at least he shows some intelligence and maturity.

I am not a Pagan and I don't buy into the things you believe in. I can be as sarcastic and confrotational as anyone. But I am on your site and regardless of what I believe or how foreign I think your beliefs are I'm going to try to be respectful of you and your faith. But if this thread is representative of a Pagan or in the case of Azzy, a Christian it's disappointing. The worlds full of people claiming faith and love but they don't live it and that would be my perception of some of you.

[semi]

Cogent points?! Intelligence?! Maturity?! You're kind of slagging my reputation there, Mauren. Watch it.

People here, like in many other places offline, are very passionate. They aggressively defend what they believe in. Some are willing to pick a fight for it. I would, too. But arguing online, or anywhere, won't really solve much. So maybe people who are agitated by this thread can just walk away from it. Staying in here and arguing won't change anything.

[Akhkharu Asgard]

Akhkharu Asgard read my statement again. I never said I was smarter then you. All I said was that I admit I don't know much. I'm just wondering if you know as much as you act like you do?

I did not know I was acting like anything. My previous comment on this post was the first thing I posted on this thing. I don't know everything about everything, especially theology and biblical stuff. But growing up as a Christian and going off on my own as a Christian, studying Biblical texts, I know enough to be able to talk comfortably about it. But I don't want to get into an argument with you. This is a very interesting topic (and whether anyone else does or not), I rather like that you showed up here. I do not necessarily agree with the prophet but you did present a very interesting topic for discussion. I am enjoying reading it, so I will go back to shutting up and continuing with the read.

[mmauren]

Akhkharu Asgard please don't go silent. You're right. I shouldn't of lumped you in with my comments. I appreciate your interest and comments.

Semicivilized I'm sorry if I sullied your reputation.

I'm glad that this thread caused people to think and interact. That's far more important then trying to make anyone believe. I'm just looking for points of veiw so I can use that in this investigation if you will.

[Akhkharu Asgard]

Akhkharu Asgard please don't go silent. You're right. I shouldn't of lumped you in with my comments. I appreciate your interest and comments.

Semicivilized I'm sorry if I sullied your reputation.

I'm glad that this thread caused people to think and interact. That's far more important then trying to make anyone believe. I'm just looking for points of veiw so I can use that in this investigation if you will.

Well thanks for that. However I will continue my silence for now. I have class in a few hours and need by beauty sleep. But perhaps tomorrow I will actually take part in this thread. Assuming it is still here.

[LordHelmet]

M&M, about the healing thing...

I suggest you make another subsidary thread in the healing/reiki part of the forum. Many people there actively study healing in many forms outside the traditional and they would be able to tell you a lot more about it. Reiki involves manipulateing life force and giving healing spiritual energies to those who need healing. It can be highly effective.

most of the time there isn't this much bickering on Mystic Wicks, we're usualy very kind and helpful of each other.

could you make a list of the major things he does or has done, pertenant to whether or not he's a prophet.

Muhamad was 'The Last Prophet' in Islam, who consider Jesus to have been a prophet. The bible never calls Jesus a prophet, and never says whether theres to be any more or not. Mormans consider Joseph Smith to have been a prophet. There's also the possibility he could be a prophet of God and the bible's wrong about God, or he could be a prophet of A god. I think to invisigate this it's best to take off any blinders saying he could only be a prophet according to modern common view or not at all.

[mmauren]

You make some excellent points. I willl look into all those things. Thank you.

[morningstar2651]

Sure, ignore the mention of the schitzophrenic doctor with demonic delusions that abused her patients, lost her license, and wrote a book (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0883683237/qid=1136995454/sr=8-1/ref=pd_bbs_1/002-9076659-3208812?n=507846&s=books&v=glance) how it's Satan's fault. Her claims from during her medical practice sound oddly like the claims of the alleged prophet. Seriously - he should talk to a psychiatrist to make sure he's not a peanut. Perhaps get ahold of James Randi (http://www.randi.org/) and ask him to investigate as well.

A peanut with power over people can be dangerous:

8. That on numerous occasions Respondent has knowingly and intentionally misdiagnosed her patients including, but not limited to her patients by the name of Edna Elaine Moses, a/k/a Elaine Moses, a/k/a Elaine Bailey (hereinafter collectively referred to as "Edna Elaine Moses"), Claudia Moses, Lucia Lively, Luccinda Sisson, Kelly Sisson, Cheryl Maynard, and two (2) patients identified only as "V.B." and "K.W."
9. That the "misdiagnosis" referred to in "Finding of Fact" no. 8 above, included misdiagnosing alleged leukemia, various blood disorders, gall bladder disease, brain tumors and various other ailments and conditions all of with Respondent stated were allegedly caused by demons, devils and other evil spirits.
10. That in fact, the patients referred to in "Finding of Fact" no. 8 above, were not suffering from the diagnosed ailments and conditions referred to in "Finding of Fact" no. 9, above.
11. That on numerous occasions Respondent stated to her patients that she was "chosen" by God as the only physician able to diagnose certain ailments and conditions which other physicians could not because the other physicians, including physicians from Ball Memorial Hospital in Muncie, Indiana and St. John's Medical Center in Anderson, Indiana were, in fact, "demons, devils and other evil spirits" themselves.
12. That Respondent was inappropriately treating Edna Elaine Moses' purported leukemia with massive doses of Demerol and Phenobarbital to the point where the patient would tolerate 600 to 900 cc injections of Demerol, a fatal dose of which is normally in the 150 to 200 cc range, and up to three times the recommended therapeutic dose of Phenobarbital.
13. That Respondent gave Claudia Moses, a 15 year old mentally impaired daughter of Edna Elaine Moses who possesses the intellectual age of an 8 year old, numerous injections of Demerol for alleged "nausea" and allowed Claudia to administer injections of Demerol to herself.
14. That on numerous occasions the Respondent would supply her patients with excessive amounts of legend drugs and/or controlled substances without any explanation, instruction, or appropriate charting.
15. That numerous patients of the Respondent had to undergo detoxification and withdrawal from the excessive amounts legend drugs and/or controlled substances which the Respondent was prescribing and/or administering without valid therapeutic reasons.
16. That while Edna Elaine Moses was under the immediate care and treatment of Respondent, the family of Edna Elaine Moses had to have Edna admitted to St. Vincent's Hospital Emergency Room in Indianapolis, Indiana and subsequently committed to LaRue Carter Hospital in Indianapolis, Indiana for detoxification from the excessive amounts of controlled substances which Respondent was prescribing and administering for Edna's purported leukemia and for treatment of the multiple infections, including infections of her urinary tract and infections of various catheters including a "Hickman" catheter used to facilitate the administration of intravenous medications and also for treatment of externally caused lesions.
17. That Respondent failed to maintain and keep adequate records or charts on her patients and in several instances failed to maintain any charts or records at all.
18. That on numerous occasions Respondent falsified patient charts and hospital records and misled other health professionals regarding her patients condition including, but not limited to statements made by Respondent at Ball Memorial Hospital in Muncie, Indiana, St. John's Medical Center in Anderson, Indiana, Indiana and Barrien General Hospital in Barrien Springs, Michigan, all to the detriment of her patients' well-being.
19. That on numerous occasions Respondent misrepresented and falsified prescriptions which were presented to several pharmacies for controlled substances including, but not limited to March Pharmacy located at 2808 Nichol Aveneu, Anderson, Indiana, Gene Maddy Drugs located at 3050 Meridian Street, Anderson, Indiana and Hollon's Drugs located at 2101 Jackson, Anderson, Indiana by writing on the face of the prescriptions that the prescriptions for controlled substances for the patient by the name of Edna Moses, Elaine Moses, and/or Elaine Bailey were for "malignancy" when in fact, there was no therapeutic reason for Respondent to be prescribing Demerol or any other contolled (sic) substance as the alleged patient was, in fact, suffering from no malignacy.
20. That Respondent has stated on numerous occasions that she possessed the capability of "sharing" her patients' illnesses in fighting the demons, devils and other evil spirits that were allegedly causing the various ailments and conditions and that she was, in fact, "sharing" Edna Elaine Moses' leukemia.
21. That without a valid therapeutic reason the Respondent self-diagnosed and self-medicated herself with non-therapeutic amounts of Demerol for her "leukemia" that she was allegedly "sharing" with Edna Elaine Moses and also for treatment of an alleged malignant brain tumor and myasthenia gravis.
22. That Respondent has been witnessed routinely receiving non-therapeutic doses of at least 3 cc's of Demerol on an hourly basis by injecting herself in the backs of her hands, the inside of her thighs, or wherever she could locate a suitable vein.
23. That the board appointed psychiatrist who examined the Respondent and reviewed statements made by her patients diagnosed the Respondent as suffering from acute personality disorders including demonic delusions and/or paranoid schizophrenia."

[BlackMagicalCat]

I asked you how I was hiding and dishonest. I PM'd you back and you never answered. Tell you what I will put any information up about myself that you are willing to put up about yourself. You're not hiding are you.

I'll give you some freebies though. I'm 45, male, married, have two kids, live in a suburb of Minneapolis/St. Paul and I work in radio.

Your turn Azzy.


Secondly you weren't listening to the show very well. His mother is not dead. She is still alive. So how can he "blame" her for dying. If you want to debate you really need to know what you're talking about.

Why come to a Pagan board? Why not? I'm not looking for people to agree necessarily. I want some insight from all angles. Unfortunately so far the only person whose made any cogent points was semicivilizedman. He doesn't have to believe or agree. But at least he shows some intelligence and maturity.

I am not a Pagan and I don't buy into the things you believe in. I can be as sarcastic and confrotational as anyone. But I am on your site and regardless of what I believe or how foreign I think your beliefs are I'm going to try to be respectful of you and your faith. But if this thread is representative of a Pagan or in the case of Azzy, a Christian it's disappointing. The worlds full of people claiming faith and love but they don't live it and that would be my perception of some of you.
Hey,Im sorry I missed all this,I thought she died?Perhaps I heard it wrong.


Glad you are here,and welcome.

Sorry Im disapointing you.

And I do love you,with the love God placed in my heart for all.

Im 47 and live in Rock Hill SC,and I live with my lovely magical cat Tabitha,and a recent stray who befreinded me ,who I named Samantha.

I have a 15 year old,and my handsome pictures are in my photo albums here on MW.

And I have had personal experience with faith healers,and so called prophets,and I have worked with them.

Sorry If I was a little harsh,take care friend,enjoy MW

[Faeawyn]

Firstly, I apologize if my MW family sounds like a bickering bunch of siblings home for Thanksgiving.....
I'd be very interested if you could list some of his claims for me. I didn't listen to him and would just find it easier if you listed them here so I could read them. You say he claims to be able to heal....I agree with the others. Thats not entirely unusual. Reiki healers believe that they are able to tap in to a universal energy that is the make up of all things...and by tapping in to that energy flow, we can adjust the energy flow in someone who is ill and correct it. Hospice nurses also take courses in "healing touch" that enables them to aid in helping terminally ill patience and ease their pain.
If the bible claims there will be only 1 prophet...then I guess if you believe in the writings of the bible, then you believe it to be true. I am a Christian who does not believe in the "stories" of the bible, but I do believe in Jesus and in God. I believe that his teachings and life were distorted by "men" in order to maintain a level of power.
What does Jerry want to tell us exactly? What is his message?

[BlackMagicalCat]

And tell your prophet I said,Jenna needs prayer,and he is welcome to come and pray for her .She is a pagan child of a dear friend who is epileptic (did I spell that right?)and is in the hospital.

He doesnt mind praying for pagan children does he?Or does the child first need to be converted to be able to recieve her healing?

The thread is here,(energy Request)along with many others who need prayers.

[LordHelmet]

Prophet, dictionary.com

A person who speaks by divine inspiration or as the interpreter through whom the will of a god is expressed.
A person gifted with profound moral insight and exceptional powers of expression.
A predictor; a soothsayer.
The chief spokesperson of a movement or cause.

According to this I could be a Prophet, although I haven't done any evocations or communicated with God or any other dietys, I do think I have a great moral insight (not everybody else is going to agree but they didn't in the bible either). I use Tarot to gain insight into many things.

Many people on this sight have as much if not much more reason to call themselves prophets. An order for these claims to have any meaning I think we need to get at the heart of what seperated biblical prophets like Elija and Moses, and Samual, from all of us practicing magicians and witches, as well as the witches/witchdoctors and divinators of so many other cultures.

I see a trend with biblical prophets that I don't with all these others;
Moses fell before the burning bush, the bush (God) told him to get up.
Isiah was frightened at the sight of angels worshiping God, and angel touched a hot coal to his lips so that he could speak.
and here's the important part...
God said "let my people go"
God sent plauges upon egypt
God Hardened Pharohs heart
God seperated the red sea
God sent lightning to write the ten comandments.
God Sent fire from the sky to burn Elijas offering.
God made an Undead army from the bones of an old battlefeild
The prophets speak what God wants to say to us, they're messangers, then God opens up the earth to swallow up groups of people he doesn't like.
"The Lord gives, and he takes away. All hail the lord!" -Job

[Ptah]

I'm glad that this thread caused people to think and interact. That's far more important then trying to make anyone believe. I'm just looking for points of veiw so I can use that in this investigation if you will.

Isn't a connection to the divine within the scope of all of us? A spiritual path is one walked hand in hand with the divine and needs no intercession. I am always wary of anyone telling me what the divine is saying to me. Afterall, I am here, listening and if I hear I will most assuredly act. More assuredly than if a prophet told me the same. I don't doubt this man has a spiritual walk but anyone can have. Its his authority you should question, it appears to me his only authority is the Bible. To be honest, that authority is rejected by many pagans. I know it has no relevance to my life. Some of us feel that diety speaks through all things, not just one book. His prophesy (ministry) is taught in every pentecostal seminary. I have heard every one of his enlightenments in previous sermons from the pulpit. There's nothing original here.

[BlackMagicalCat]

Well,I guess Im going to have to go back and look for the place where he was talking about his mother,where he said she was manipulative and didnt recieve her healing,I could have sworn he said she died too.

My problem with someone declaring themselves to be great is this,this place is full of great people,who far outshine your prophet.Because allthough they are not well known,and they dont have disciples running around telling everyone how great they are,they nevertheless are great to me,because of the way they serve and bless others in love.And because of the kindness they show,and the way they help those in need.even though many here dont have much,they scrape together what they can to help a fellow member in thier trouble.And they never get much praise for it,and dont care too.

No they are not perfect.

So,I will call your prophet great,when he shows up to offer prayers and serves those here,but there is no money to be made for him,just lots of karma,and thankyous,and bless you,s,and the satisfaction of knowing someone was blessed and uplifted by his service.

So Im not buying his greatness.


Jesus said,he that will be great,let him become as one that serves.

Show me that he is a great healer,instead of trying to convince me with an endless muddle of nonstop words.I am not interested in muddling through all his preaching to find out if he is great.Let his own God and his own prayers speak for himself.Let his service speak for him.

I know from personal experience ,it isnt hard to open a revival,and start a prayer line,and to have people start falling down under the ,,Ahem,,anointing
of the mighty prophet,and then jump up and run around claiming they were healed.

And then a few sundays latter,the same person is doing the same thing.
There are people who do nothing but folllow prophets around wanting to be prophesied too.These same people never show up on sundays to serve.

[mmauren]

Jerry claims that God talks to him and directs him to people that need Gods healing. Jerry also says that God speaks through him and heals through him. You can hear an example of a healing prayer on show #4 at www.prophetcast.com.

As far as praying for Jenna, I'm sure he would be happy to do that. I'll talk to him tomorrow. Jerry doesn't subscribe to a specific religion. We are all children of God.

If you listen to the shows you'll find that Jerry acknowledges that God is within all of us and we all have the power to receive God's gifts through prayer.

[mmauren]

I don't claim that Jerry is "great" and neither does he. In fact he has said many times and I've said it here too, he's a simple man that is no better then anyone else. Anything "great" (as far as healings) that happens through him should be attributed to God and only God. Jerry doesn't heal anyone. God does!

As I said, I will talk to him about Jenna. We'll see what happens and if there is anyone else that is need let me know and I will ask him to pray for you. Let's see what happens.

[mmauren]

Oh and I will see about him coming here. I'm sure he would be happy to do that.

[mmauren]

Azzy with all do respect you sound very synical and even a bit angry. Don't you realize that negativity breeds negativity and it's not good for you?

[BlackMagicalCat]

Jerry claims that God talks to him and directs him to people that need Gods healing. Jerry also says that God speaks through him and heals through him. You can hear an example of a healing prayer on show #4 at www.prophetcast.com.

As far as praying for Jenna, I'm sure he would be happy to do that. I'll talk to him tomorrow. Jerry doesn't subscribe to a specific religion. We are all children of God.

If you listen to the shows you'll find that Jerry acknowledges that God is within all of us and we all have the power to receive God's gifts through prayer.
Well,I tried to listen,but it sounded like an info-mercial,sorry.(I just couldnt sit through it)But thats just me.

What God is he serving?Does he heal in the name of Jesus Christ?
Just wondering.You sound like his spokes person.I dont mean to sound contrary,Im just not much for someone who lifts themselves up,and God speaks through a lot of people here.

We are in a world where many need healing,and a kind word,and an I love you,or just a listening ear.Perhaps the god of the mighty prophet will find the time to send his mighty servant here to pray for those who need it.

Have a nice evening:)

[BlackMagicalCat]

Azzy with all do respect you sound very synical and even a bit angry. Don't you realize that negativity breeds negativity and it's not good for you?
I am,(synical)I dont trust you,nor do I find jerry so great,sorry.

I find the person who serves and never lifts themselves up,as great.

Respect is earned.

When jerry shows up,dont expect everyone to worship the ground he walks on.

Perhaps Im wrong,maybe your jerry will turn out to stay and serve and pray and uplift,but as I said before,when he does,he has done that which was his duty to do,and the same that many here have been doing before jerry and you popped up.

This place is full of people who are humble,and pray for others,and heal others,and to me they are great.But you dont see them trumpeting their greatness,and running around telling everyone how humble they are.

[Ptah]

As far as praying for Jenna, I'm sure he would be happy to do that. I'll talk to him tomorrow. Jerry doesn't subscribe to a specific religion. We are all children of God.

If you listen to the shows you'll find that Jerry acknowledges that God is within all of us and we all have the power to receive God's gifts through prayer.

I don't know what you heard but when I listened to it he only quoted the Bible. What he professes is Christianity. He also professes not to judge others but he specifically says that those who practice witchcraft are cursed to the tenth generation. He also claims other things about witchcraft.. such as mind control, it being drug related, sexually oriented and demon driven.

[LordHelmet]

AAAhh, I didn't listen to the podcasts before. now I don't mean any offense with this but I think I see whats going on here.

Jerry makes a very good point with what Paul says about there being many prophets within the church, along with people who have other gifts. Jerry feels that he is a prophet and I think he's sincere. He feels that he has the spirit of prophesy. Around here we call it precognition among other things, he calls it prophesy. Each defines it according to what their used to and the explination that fits what they already know or believe. This kind of precognition wouldn't seem as abnormal in a place where there is less christianity. It's not my personal bias it's just reality, christians rarely partake of the gifts that Paul spoke of. I think where he to have grown up in a wiccan family he would have excelled in magick.

Jerry is a smart guy, he know a lot about life in general, but like anyone else there's a lot he doesn't know too. Prophets aren't supposed to be omniscient. Jerry connects with something we all experience if we look in to ourselves. I like to think of it as my own higher self who is also your or anyone elses higher self which in fact percieves the universe into exsistance. Jerry calls it God, and thinks of the Bible and what he grew up learning. A Dianic Wiccan might say it's the Tri Goddess. many pagan like myself wouldn't think it's a deity that we can describe at all. Abraham called it Elohim, which means 'My God' or 'My Personal God', Moses called it 'I am what I am' or 'I am because I am' or 'I am that I am'.

M&M also grew up christian and naturaly takes the whole idea in that context. He's faced with a delema, Jerry seems right to him by everything he's grown up with and fits Pauls idea of a prophet, but there's the Deutronomy version that doesn't seem to fit so well. But then at other times in his stories it does. And then how do you define it, where do you draw the line and say, 'this is what makes a prophet of God'

I would like to say that it's Jerry who condemened witchcraft and the occult. I see a definate difference bettween the two and how they think, I don't think the podcast is a fake. Jerry speaks from his raising about witchcraft and complete ignorance as to what the word occult referes too. Very understandable. Again he's not omniscient.

As for M&M I think Jerry has been on christian forums and did not come here with the sole or even primary intention of converting pagans. I believe his feelings come out and I assume that he didn't want to mention the fact that he was also visiting pagan forums on the podcast because of his christian listeners. He might have told Jerry he was or he might not have had to. Jerry I think did have the intention of... speaking to and helping the pagans and witches. I don't think his intentions would be accuretly described as converting, though it sounds like that to us.

M&M, I think that bringing Jerry on MW would be a great idea, but... I'll PM you actualy.

[mmauren]

Thanks you make some good points and I respect your point of view and the way you articulate it.

I should straighten something out about why I posted here. It wasn't some grand plan or hope in converting anyone. I wanted to get some input on Jerry and the show and I posted on a number of Christian message boards. To be perfectly honest my posting here was either accidental or because of MY ignorance. Jerry had nothing to do with what I posted or where I posted it. In spite of that, I'm glad I did. This board has given me a lot of insight and I appreciate the responses positive or negative. debate is good.

Azzy I spoke to Jerry and he said he would love to pray for Jenna. He asked me to ask her age and where she is (as in a city and state) I know this is something you got from another poster on another thread. So I will go to that thread and ask the poster as well.

[Ptah]

What a snow job. What we have here is no more than a slicked up version of every Christian TV talk show and Infomercial out there. This this interview was contucted with no other intent than to profess this man a prophet. Doing this under the guise of investigative journalism will only fool those who believe in your prophet already.

Once again I ask why you brought it here. God doesn't send prophets to talk with the great unwashed, he sends them to warn HIS people.

So what did you expect people on this board to think when he said we are cursed to the tenth generation and that we were all involved in drugs, mind control and sexual pleasures? What did you think we would think when he (and you) says repeatedly that by your works are you known and then turn right around and say that because the healing works and psychic work that we do are not under Jerry's banner of Christianity that God will curse us.

Isn't part of Jerry's message, that we have all been tricked into Witchcraft, on tape, sermon, podcast.. whatever you want to call it, #4.

Bring on your prophet, I'd like to interview him.

[heathenwolf]

Humbug!!

[BlackMagicalCat]

Cursed to the tenth generation,Oh My Goddess.

Well,my son attends a Church of God with his moma,and he isnt into anything
witchy,but he is a christian and loves God and even is involved in a prison ministry,and he tells me how excited he is about it.(im so proud of him too)

And

Since Im an evil witch controlled by the devil who is on drugs and has orgies with my cat,does that mean my son will be cursed?

[BlackMagicalCat]

Im sorry If I seem harsh M and M,But feel free to Pm me if you want,but if you are honest with me,I will be honest with you.

I thought you said you and Jerry were not together,but it looks like you are in bed together with him.

If you are part of his followers,then say so,no big deal.
Hopefully you will stay awhile,because I beleive you will be blessed here,and will even learn something.

So,no hard feelings and you can call me freind if you like.

It may not be an axcident you showed up.There is much to learn here if you are teachable,if not,then sit awhile,you soon will be teachable I beleive.

Bless you.

Since you never introduced yourself,I never got a chance to give you a picture.I try to give pictures that match what I see in the person.So here is yours.

You are the unicorn,the forrest and the water is MysticWicks,and the Fairy is someone who has drawn you here and is watching you.

And you are drinking the water.Welcome

[LordHelmet]

Do I get a picture Azzy?!?!?!

[BlackMagicalCat]

Do I get a picture Azzy?!?!?!
Okay ,here is yours,hope you like it.

And you are strong spirited,and ride in the night,and are familiar with the darkness,but you have a valient heart,and on the inside a good spirit,thats the reflection in the water.

[mmauren]

I appreciate the picture Azzy. Thank you very much. I do also appreciate the input, negative and positive.

Azzy I am not a follower of Jerry's. I don't follow anyone but God. I met this man a few months ago and I thought he was intriguing. I didn't believe in his abilities but I thought it would be interesting to learn more about him and try to prove it one way or another. Over time I have seen some interesting things happen. But I'm still not absolutely sure.

To suggest that this is some promotional ettemp to gain fame and money is simply rediculous. I've worket in radio for 27 years. I've also worked in the advertisng businness writing and creating radio commercials. I've also spent in the music business representing artists. I know how to hype someone and quite honestly you don't do it by going to Pagan message boards. I simply wanted to make available a free show with no obligations to the listener. My hope was to get some insights and questions from people who listen. If they are interested they can keep listening free of charge or if the don't like it they can stop listening. Either way is fine with me.

Jerry has spent his life working in a blue collar job. He's dealt with people in the marketplace with his ministry. What I mean is that God directs him to someone wherever he might be. It could be a restaurant, a mall etc. He's never asked these people for money nor has he any desire for them to follow him. The reason for the show is more about me then it is him. I want to see if I can discern whether it's true or not. His only interest is to get his message out to more people.

If you don't want to believe that, that's fine. If you think I should be harder on him in the interviews, I can understand what you're saying. But in my opinion, Jerry's a nice man. He's delivering a good message which is in line with the Bible and he truly seems like he wants to help people. I can't go "60 minutes" on a guy like this. I do ask him hard questions and he's always answered with a satisfactry answer.

A good interviewer can tear anyone, real or not to shreds if they want. My goal isn't to do that. My goal is to give him an opportunity to prove himself. And I can do that without guerrilla tactics.
i
Finally, I'm hear not because I want to corner the market on Pagan listeners. I continue to respond because the give and take his been interesting

[BlackMagicalCat]

I appreciate the picture Azzy. Thank you very much. I do also appreciate the input, negative and positive.

Azzy I am not a follower of Jerry's. I don't follow anyone but God. I met this man a few months ago and I thought he was intriguing. I didn't believe in his abilities but I thought it would be interesting to learn more about him and try to prove it one way or another. Over time I have seen some interesting things happen. But I'm still not absolutely sure.

To suggest that this is some promotional ettemp to gain fame and money is simply rediculous. I've worket in radio for 27 years. I've also worked in the advertisng businness writing and creating radio commercials. I've also spent in the music business representing artists. I know how to hype someone and quite honestly you don't do it by going to Pagan message boards. I simply wanted to make available a free show with no obligations to the listener. My hope was to get some insights and questions from people who listen. If they are interested they can keep listening free of charge or if the don't like it they can stop listening. Either way is fine with me.

Jerry has spent his life working in a blue collar job. He's dealt with people in the marketplace with his ministry. What I mean is that God directs him to someone wherever he might be. It could be a restaurant, a mall etc. He's never asked these people for money nor has he any desire for them to follow him. The reason for the show is more about me then it is him. I want to see if I can discern whether it's true or not. His only interest is to get his message out to more people.

If you don't want to believe that, that's fine. If you think I should be harder on him in the interviews, I can understand what you're saying. But in my opinion, Jerry's a nice man. He's delivering a good message which is in line with the Bible and he truly seems like he wants to help people. I can't go "60 minutes" on a guy like this. I do ask him hard questions and he's always answered with a satisfactry answer.

A good interviewer can tear anyone, real or not to shreds if they want. My goal isn't to do that. My goal is to give him an opportunity to prove himself. And I can do that without guerrilla tactics.
i
Finally, I'm hear not because I want to corner the market on Pagan listeners. I continue to respond because the give and take his been interesting
Okay,well enjoy yourself M & M I can do anything for you,let me know.

[Rudas Starblaze]

Are there Prophet's of God among us today? If there are, how do you know that a person claiming such a thing is truly a Prophet?



yes, i am one. but then again i could be lying.:gagged:

[heathenwolf]

We could all be prophets of god.

[LordHelmet]

We could all be prophets of god.

To be a prophet in the traditional christian sense, you must fortell the future and or speak on Gods behalf, meaning God gave you a message that you pass on. I could call myself a prophet, borderline at least, but I would not be a prophet in the fundie sense, because I read the tarrot, and I claim that many spirits, likely the spirits of the cards, as well as my own self, affected the outcome. I don't see it as a message from God.

[BlackMagicalCat]

Well,claiming to be a prophet is not a light claim(from a christian veiw).Having a direct connecton to God is a high honor.Most of us struggle with the ups and downs of life and spend many hours praying to seek to know God.And sometimes that takes a lifetime.

Claiming to be a prophet is a lofty claim.Claiming that demons speak to you
and know you and call you Gods cop,sounds a bit high minded.Hopefully
Jerry,s life backs up his lofty claim.

The bible curses the person who claims to be speaking for God(Thus saith the Lord)When God hasnt spoken to them.Hopefully thats not he case here.

Cursed is the man that says,Thus saith the Lord,and I have not sent him,
says the Lord.Bible

Good luck in your search

[mmauren]

Azzy, you make a good point. In fact in the Bible says and I'm paraphrasing, those that claim to be a prophet and do not speak from God will die. That's pretty cut and dried.
Thanks

[BlackMagicalCat]

Azzy, you make a good point. In fact in the Bible says and I'm paraphrasing, those that claim to be a prophet and do not speak from God will die. That's pretty cut and dried.
Thanks
Yep,im trying real hard to learn how to link a site,but cant figure it out yet.
So im going nuts a bit.My sons not here to help me either.Glad to see ya .

[LordHelmet]

I would like to point out azzy, I think the reason that people pray so much and never reach God is that they have lost touch with the spiritual realm, not that their not pios enough or don't pray enough. America as a whole is out of touch with the unseen universe.

[BlackMagicalCat]

I would like to point out azzy, I think the reason that people pray so much and never reach God is that they have lost touch with the spiritual realm, not that their not pios enough or don't pray enough. America as a whole is out of touch with the unseen universe.

Yes ,Most definatly people are worldly,and neglect the spiritual side of things.

And I figured out how to link a site,did you know my last name is the druid name for Ostara?


I happen to be a man of prayer,uneducated ,but I pray long and hard.

[BlackMagicalCat]

Sorry If I seemed like I was rambling,I was doing 2 things at once.

So,where were we?

How is Jerry?

[mmauren]

Jerry's fine. I've asked him to pray for Jenna. I got the info from theperson who originally posted the story. It turns out it's not her daughter it's someone else she knows on the board. We'll see what happens

[BlackMagicalCat]

Jerry's fine. I've asked him to pray for Jenna. I got the info from theperson who originally posted the story. It turns out it's not her daughter it's someone else she knows on the board. We'll see what happens
Okay,thats nice of you to do that,and I thankyou on her behalf,yes its the daughter of her friend.

And Im adopting Kebra Moon Stone into my prayers,she is a teenager who has suffered much at the hands of the person who should have taken care of her.It saddens me to read her posts asking for help.

Thats what my prayer space is for,in the Alter of the ancients,to pray for others,and myself too sometimes.


But there are many prayer spaces there,and anyone can start one.
Thanks again.

[semi]

If I recall correctly, which is highly questionable, someone on this thread mentioned "masters" in martial arts. There is a saying: if you call yourself a "master," you aren't. Same goes for prophets, in my opinion.

[mmauren]

Point taken. I'm not sure you can equate martial arts with God but it's something to consider. As I've said before Jerry doesn't refer to him as a Prophet. He doesn't feel comfortable with that. The decision was mine in naming the show. I did it because I thought it made it easier for people to understand what the show and Jerry was about. Maybe a bad choice on my part but I'm a radio guy not a prophet and it's done. Don't hold that over Jerry. If you would meet him he would never say "Hey I'm Jerry/Prophet of God. In actually he might say "I'm Jerry, God's messenger boy"

When it comes down to it titles are meaningless. If God speaks through him and heals through him it's the message and the work that is done through him that's important.

[LordHelmet]

I would also point out that this is how I think it seems like the prophets in the bible took it. For them prophet wasn't some ancient holy word of high elevation, it was just messenger. They were reffered to as messengers of God, at least it seems that way to me. I doubt Elija walked around with a special walk and accent that said 'That's right, I'm a Prophet with a Capitol 'P'!"

[Storm Moon]

Very interesting read. I do have to say that I don't get into the whole prophet thing, but I wish Jerry luck.

[Ptah]

Azzy, you make a good point. In fact in the Bible says and I'm paraphrasing, those that claim to be a prophet and do not speak from God will die. That's pretty cut and dried.
Thanks

That leaves only two according to the Bible and Enoch wasn't a prophet. Do you think Jerry will live forever?

[Ptah]

When it comes down to it titles are meaningless.

Then why did you go to such great lengths to try to prove he was a prophet? As far as just being a messenger from god, I run into them all the time as god(dess) speaks through all things.

I am not buying for a second that you didn't have any intent but to prove him a prophet and propogate his message. I listened to the questions you asked him. There was not a single question that wasn't carefully thought out to lead him through this interview and when he did get stuck you were right there with the answer for him. Give me a break...

If God speaks through him and heals through him it's the message and the work that is done through him that's important.

Not according to Jerry. If a witch does the very same things that Jerry does, they are cursed. Perhaps you can explain to all of us here why it is "by a man's works he is known" applies to Jerry but not any of us?

[mmauren]

No I don't think Jerry's going to live forever. He's a human. Just a guy. I've said that all along he's not a supreme being. As he says all glory to God.

Regarding my efforts in trying to prove he's real. First of all this is the first messenger of God I've met. Anyone can say they can do this but as I've said, I want to know for sure if it's true. I believe it's possible I'm just dubious about people

Ptah I appreciate your compliment about my interviewing abilities. But I have to tell you it's not true. I don't pre-plan shows or script out questions ahead of time. I'm too lazy for that. I simply ask Jerry what he wants to talk about and I ask the questions that I want answers for. I also follow if he makes an interesting comment. I'm sorry to say there really is no prep for the show. You can believe that or not but it's true. A professional broadcaster could tell you that because it's not as smooth as it could be.

It's funny you all think you have me figured out, but you don't. I am just radio guy that likes to interview interesting people in hopes listeners will feel the same.

Here's a twist for you. In addition to this show I do ther shows not related to religion on the site www.primepodcast.com. I do a show about the paranormal (The Other Side) with a group of ghosthunters. Believe it or not there's Wiccan in the group. Now there's a contradiction? I do a money show call "The Average Joe Money Show. I produce a show that does interviews with authors call "Read This" and I do a completely pointless show called "Skirmishes of the Watercooler Wars" which is just a self-indulgent way to blow off broadcast steam. Don't believe me? Check out the site.

So you see I'm not a faithful follower doing everything I can to promote this man. And I'm not some zealot trying to convert "poor Pagans". I'm just trying to do radio shows that attract listeners. I will say that I have been impressed with Jerry and I find the conversation compelling. I truly do want to find out if he's real for my own spiritual reasons. And I think he's a nice man that really wants to spread a good message and help people.

[BlackMagicalCat]

M&m,what path do you follow?

Im just wondering for myself.Are you a christian?Ive listen to some paranormal stations and there are some awfully strange people out there.

[mmauren]

I am a Christian. I've mentioned that before. I believe in God.

[mmauren]

You're right. There are some strange people out there. But frankly you can run into just as strange folks at the mall or the library.

[Ptah]

Ptah I appreciate your compliment about my interviewing abilities. But I have to tell you it's not true. I don't pre-plan shows or script out questions ahead of time. I'm too lazy for that. I simply ask Jerry what he wants to talk about and I ask the questions that I want answers for. I also follow if he makes an interesting comment. I'm sorry to say there really is no prep for the show. You can believe that or not but it's true. A professional broadcaster could tell you that because it's not as smooth as it could be.

Well, in that case, let's just say a bias is obvious throughout.

[mmauren]

Well we are all biased. Even you Ptah, as is illustrated in your posts. But that's not big news and there's nothing wrong with that. We are all human.

The ironic thing to me is that this thread over 1800views and on my site I can identify a large number visitors coming from here to there. What's that tell you? I don't know but it is interesting. If nothing else I'm glad I've been able to entertain you.

[BlackMagicalCat]

Well we are all biased. Even you Ptah, as is illustrated in your posts. But that's not big news and there's nothing wrong with that. We are all human.

The ironic thing to me is that this thread over 1800views and on my site I can identify a large number visitors coming from here to there. What's that tell you? I don't know but it is interesting. If nothing else I'm glad I've been able to entertain you.

Everyone is doing research on Jerry.And then we are all going to turn Jerry into a frog.:lol:

Just kidding,I couldnt help myself,sorry.:hahugh:

Im glad you are happy.:boing:

See ya

[Ptah]

Well we are all biased. Even you Ptah, as is illustrated in your posts. But that's not big news and there's nothing wrong with that. We are all human.

I never claimed not to be biased. I haven't tried to give anyone the impression that what I was doing was impartial. You claim repeatedly in your opening statements on all the podcasts that you are impartial.That, my friend, is the difference here...

The ironic thing to me is that this thread over 1800views and on my site I can identify a large number visitors coming from here to there. What's that tell you?

People are looking in on this thread and going to your site to see what all the noise is about.

I don't know but it is interesting. If nothing else I'm glad I've been able to entertain you.

It has been entertaining... Would it have been nearly as entertaining, if all the members here had just agreed that this man is a prophet? No, it is the objectivity that can be found in this thread from opposing sides that entertains people. If entertainment was your purpose, how much more entertaining would it have been to see Jerry squirm out of that comment about Witches when pressed. Wouldn't it have been entertaining to ask, "Whoa, Jerry.. what happened to God's love, doesn't God love the Witches too? Did Jesus die for everyone but the Witches? If Jesus died for our sins, why would the Witch's sins be punished to the tenth generation? Is your God is a loving one or a vendictive one who punishes the innocent?

So Jerry, about these Witches in Arizona, how many did you talk to? Were you interacting with them in their religious rites? Did you have fellowship with them on a daily basis? Have you seen this deviant sexual behaviour among them? Have you witnessed the drug orgies? How do they go about practicing their form of mind control? Is that all part of their curriculum or are they just predisposed to this 'evil'? How is it that you can say 'by their works they are known' and not give them any credit for any good works they might do? Jerry, do you believe that Witches are the consorts of Satan? All witches? What about the Witch of Endor, that not only drew up the spirit of Samuel but under peril of death cared for the emotionally distraught Saul until the morning. Wasn't she a tool of god at that moment? Was her family cursed until the tenth generation? Do you believe, Jerry, that all witches should be put to death, afterall isn't that what your bible says? Just exactly how do Witches smell, Jerry?"

Those are all questions this biased old priest would have asked. Why? Well, for one thing I actually know Witches and have met with them in their religious rites; because I know that what Jerry assumes about them is false; because biased reporting is the most basic form of mind control; and because it is important to know the truth of a matter. And you won't get to the truth of this matter, if all you do is venerate the man and his message.

[morningstar2651]

According to Christianity, universal revelations ended with the preaching of the apostles.

[morningstar2651]

Witches in Arizona? Which podcast is that? I might do a little hands on investigation to his claims.

[Ptah]

#4, I believe, just before the middle of the podcast.

It does make sense that Witches would gravitate to where there is very small likelyhood of tornados or accidently being hit with water. :broomride

Just for clarification, I am not a witch but I have many friends who are. Some who live in Arizona...

[-Ember]

Huh... only self described prophet of god I've met face to face is the homeless man we used to call "jesus guy" as he panhandled near my work. And he ended up having some serious problems.... Hear of the Elizabeth Smart kidnapping?

So, are there prophets of god? My first question would be what type of prophet is he? The foretell the future type or the Old Testament screaming preacher type?

If the first type, he should be able to provide some evidence. Something that speaks to you. If he is a prophet of god, his point in being able to do that is usually prested as being one of reaffirming faith. If he can't speak to you and say things that hit home, he isn't doing the job. The focus should be about you or someone else... others.

If the second type, he should be chastizing. He should know what is wrong and have dire threats before the fact (not after, as many of our current wannabe's do.) He should be putting the fear of god into people. And if he isn't, again he isn't doing the job. His message should be focused on society as a whole.

Neither should be stopping to pass the collection plate. They have faith God will do what is needful to get them where they need to go. They do not have to beg us for help (although they will accept it) because their job is with God, not with us. A way will be found. And if they don't believe that, aren't willing to sacrifice what is needful to make their point... they probably aren't prophets.

[mmauren]

Ptah,

I'll put your questions to Jerry and I'll get you some answers. Same for you Ember. I'll give him your postings so there's no confusion of what you want to know.

[morningstar2651]

#4, I believe, just before the middle of the podcast.

It does make sense that Witches would gravitate to where there is very small likelyhood of tornados or accidently being hit with water. :broomride

Just for clarification, I am not a witch but I have many friends who are. Some who live in Arizona...I live in Arizona, and I practice witchcraft.

[Ptah]

Chandler, I would venture to guess..

[morningstar2651]

Chandler, I would venture to guess..Yep. It's set as my location. I'm listening to podcast #4 for mention of witches in Arizona since this is something I can look into.

[morningstar2651]

Jerry mentions a church in Phoenix where everyone was suffering from fear (about four minutes into podcast #4). Which church was this. What is the name of the pastor? Also mention of a "black witch and a warlock praying against a church" -- which church is this? I need this information to investigate his claims.

Also, does Jerry know what a warlock is?

[Ptah]

Ptah,

I'll put your questions to Jerry and I'll get you some answers.

Cool, I will be looking forward to your next podcast where you ask him. Number 6 in the series, right?

[mmauren]

The sixt podcast is already recorded and that will be going up in the next day or so. We will record another on Monday and that will go on next wednesday.

[mmauren]

I'll try to get some answers for you her though in the next day or so.

[BlackMagicalCat]

Ptah,

I'll put your questions to Jerry and I'll get you some answers. Same for you Ember. I'll give him your postings so there's no confusion of what you want to know.
Why do you have to be Jerrys go between?

Let him speak for himself .

Claiming to be a prophet is saying a mouthfull(actually claiming your a witch is too)

I dont need God to send me to pray for someone,I have enough sense to know its what Im supposed to do.

You said Jerry is dirrectted by God to pray for some.But prayer is something we are supposed to do anyway.Its like waiting for God to tell you,OKAY my child,go ahead and brush your teeth.We should not need to be told to do it,its our duty.

So Jerry gets no kudos from me for doing what so many here already do.

You keep saying,Okay,Ill ask Jerry.

[morningstar2651]

I'll try to get some answers for you her though in the next day or so.Awesome, could you please ask my questions about the churches in Arizona too?

[Ptah]

The sixt podcast is already recorded and that will be going up in the next day or so. We will record another on Monday and that will go on next wednesday.

Lets see, Jerry does things and knows things about people and they don't know he knows or that he does things in the name of god to them. He doesn't need to verify anything, he just knows what he did had the desired result.

So witches and those who associate with them are afraid of the power of Jerry? Which lake in Az. did this man, who lost his soul to a witch, supposedly drown in?


I would really like the following explained:


I should straighten something out about why I posted here. It wasn't some grand plan or hope in converting anyone.


in Podcast 7 you say to Jerry,

"...Hopefully... maybe through this podcast we'll be able to accomplish ... to get to more people ... than the one at a time in a grocery store. That's one of the reasons why we are doing this..."


I thought you were going to ask some of the questions I proffered.

[mmauren]

I told you I would ask him and put it in the show. We aren't recording a show until Friday. I'll post the answers here to if you want. But don't act like a child with the na na boo boo stuff. You're better then that.

[Twig]

Hey Welcome to MW mmauren!! We are a friendly lot as a whole. Don't let the terse replies set you off. ~2000 years of discrimination will make a person be guarded at times hehe.

124 replies! :hahugh: You friend have created a firestorm if nothing else.

Well, as my habit is to reply off the cuff and not yet having heard this contraversial cast, I'll be right back with a commentary and explanations.

Don't go away!

(update) Tried every link and then some and get nothing. Taken off the air?

Well then. I would have you ask these questions and see what reply you get. Ones that I have asked preachers, rabbis and imams. It seperates the wheat from the chaff to use a christian saying. (These questions are what caused me to leave christianity in the first place 34 years ago and haven't been answered to my satisfaction yet)

1. If God is All merciful as claimed, how could he in all his mercifulness create a hell? If he "knows all and sees all" why didn't he see Lucifers treachery in advance?

2. How can a God that is All powerful, so far above us that we cannot even comprehend his nature have such base HUMAN emotions such as jealousy and rage? That would presuppose that he is nervous about his position.....among the other Gods and Goddesses perhaps? The jealousy alone is enough to make a person wonder just how mighty one is when they COVET the human race so much. Coveting, yeah there is something mentioned in those 10 laws to live by is there not? Oooops that would make "him" a hippocrite!

But then again he is the originator of the "don't ask, don't tell" philosophy after all. (theres the commentary part)

And finally. If he can "see and know ALL" why did he even give man free will and how could he not have forseeen the results if he did? And if he did, see where we would be today, How can his all "encompassing love" allow it to go this far!!? Ooooh thats right he only loves hiiiiiiis people!!! EVERYbody else is "misguided". Lets add favoritism and elitism to that list of base human emotion.

If he can answer these questions of 34 years to my satisfaction, I will get re-baptised the same day. (which is really going to suck because I JUST joined the AODA! hahaha)

Peace,
Rev. R. Twig Jones
The Druid of Peace
(comparative religion for longer than most of ya'll have been alive! :)

[Faeawyn]

Hey Twig. I loved your questions. Can I take a stab at some of them? I consider myself somewhat of a Christian Witch...altho other "Christians" would never see me as one. I'm really more of a "New Ager" I guess. But these are the answers I've found.....now they are in no way the only answers or definitely the right answers....but they work well for me :)


1. If God is All merciful as claimed, how could he in all his mercifulness create a hell? If he "knows all and sees all" why didn't he see Lucifers treachery in advance?
In my belief system, there is no hell. It was created by the early Christian leaders to create fear. If Lucifer was indeed cast from "heaven" (I don't really go for that golden gates and clouds thing), then I believe "God" did indeed know of his plans, but its all about "free will" my friend. I think free will is the number 1 rule....like that Star Trek rule about non-interference.

2. How can a God that is All powerful, so far above us that we cannot even comprehend his nature have such base HUMAN emotions such as jealousy and rage? That would presuppose that he is nervous about his position.....among the other Gods and Goddesses perhaps? The jealousy alone is enough to make a person wonder just how mighty one is when they COVET the human race so much. Coveting, yeah there is something mentioned in those 10 laws to live by is there not? Oooops that would make "him" a hippocrite!

But then again he is the originator of the "don't ask, don't tell" philosophy after all. (theres the commentary part)
Again...I don't think that describes God at all. I think its an image that was once again created to invoke fear in people.....a vengeful, merciless, jealous God causes just enough fear to be able to have power over people.


And finally. If he can "see and know ALL" why did he even give man free will and how could he not have forseeen the results if he did? And if he did, see where we would be today, How can his all "encompassing love" allow it to go this far!!? Ooooh thats right he only loves hiiiiiiis people!!! EVERYbody else is "misguided". Lets add favoritism and elitism to that list of base human emotion.
Again, I think these are old preconceived notions created by the early leaders of the church. We are all "his/her" people. Without mistakes, how can we learn. Now don't ask me to what end this educational process takes us.....I haven't figured that out yet. But I'm working on it :)

[Twig]

TY though. Yeah that free will things makes a good argument but not good enough. . Sitting here wondering if we aren't related with those views. :cheers:

But we are getting off the main point I think.

Answer - Yes I belive prophets walk amomg us! Truly inspired people who do see and converse and spread the words their god(dess)(s), whatever. I have seen and even changed the future when my higher power gave me the choice of Druidry over any other Path. And the ripple effect of that brought me here.

He may or may not be an instrument of the Gods but heres the Catch-22! People want scientific proof for acts of faith. Like oil and water. Now that he is trying to speak his word we automatically greet with scepticism. t