Discordian Question.

[Illusion153]

So...... What exactly is a discordian? I keep seeing it in various places thoughout MW, yet I've never seen anything about it.

[instinct]

they do seem to be slowly integrating themselves into our community.

it's likely they're planning to take over the world

or destroy the world

hm

that's the way the story usually goes

and as to the question, I highly recommend you google "discordian".

[smckim]

:goodgrief Yeah, I have seen alot of it popping up on the boards. I also noticed that every time I see one, it seems to be laden with arguments and negativity. Something as simple as an introduction, turns into mayhem!! I'll pass on those threads and posts thank you, they take the enjoyment out of
conversation. I have never seen as many arguments on the boards as I have since those posts have started. That's just my opinion.:)

[MGD]

Think whatever you like but maybe doing a little research before you come to any conclusions would be a good idea.

Discordianism is different depending on who you ask.

There are all sorts of different sects too.

If you're really curious you can google the Principia Discordia.

Oddly enough, all of the drama that's been going on with us has been caused by people other than ourselves. Not that we're perfect and not that we don't occaisonally enjoy being subversive or causing problems for our own amusement. If we wanted to do that here you guys wouldn't know we're discordians or what we were up to until it was too late. We generally reserve that sort of thing for people who really deserve it like fundamentalists, pedophiles, and other people of that nature.

Anyways, Discordianism can be anything from a bizarre philosophy to rambling dadaist nonsense to a genuine way of dealing with the world.

It all depends on who you talk to, much like anything else.

In general we tend to be open minded, at least little unusual (although most of us have made blending into society in general a very high priority so we look and on the surface act like fine upstanding citizens. If you met one of us in real life you would probably never guess we were a discordian and many of us are actually pretty nice.), subversive, and funny (or at least we think we're funny, or at lease some of us think some of us are funny. Some of us, if you ask me, couldn't be funny to save their life but that's just my opinion and I'm sure that someone thinks they're funny... Even though that might make them an idiot.. Now I've forgotten the point I was trying to make).

Oh well, anyways do your own research and come to your own conclusion.

If you don't like us great, if you do well there might be something wrong with you.

Also, bear in mind that some of the people you might think are Discordians are actually Subgenii.

[MGD]

P.S. We also seem to tend to be against organized religions and establishments. But like they say, "We discordians must stick apart."

If you guys really want to know you'll have to figure it out for yourself, nobody can tell you and for all you know I'm telling you all sorts of ridiculous lies.

[Magic Friday]

Vincent Verthaine has written a bit about the origins of discordianism as an ethos(?), but aside from that I might point you towards the principia discordia, which is a starting point but not really an ending point. Discordians rarely agree with each other about a lot of things, but there are common threads between them, and as subcultures and ways of thought go, it is truly unique in that aspect. No two discordians are alike.

[MGD]

True but then no two people are alike either.. Or at least that's what I've been told... Sometimes I question that.....

[Magic Friday]

Your location is a reference to a tom waits song.

[MGD]

9th and Hennepin, you're the first person to recognize that. I'm not sure what your location is a reference to though.

[LostSheep]

Well i think you guys are sweet and deserve a biiig hug.

[Magic Friday]

9th and Hennepin, you're the first person to recognize that. I'm not sure what your location is a reference to though.

I get things, sometimes. My location is a reference to a converstation I had once, a couple of times... ok, a few times. None the less, it hasnt been popularized in media yet.

Anyway, any and all questions regarding discordianism should begin with reading the actual principia discordia. There are a number of copies floating around on the web, and if you google it, you will find it. From there, it might get a little bit deeper, so feel free to question at your leisure, but basic 'what is it about' questions will benefit from a little study.

[Karissma]

im glad im not the only one confused. But well, I am usually confused about one thing or another daily :P

[instinct]

i'm confused about everything daily

makes life more interesting :smile:

[Illusion153]

Okay, well, I searched it up, and for the most part, the pages that I have found in regards to it seem to be little more than.... well.... gibberish. I dunno, maybe I am looking at the wrong pages or something. I'm not trying to be mean or anything, but for the most part it apears to mostly be random strings of thought, and quite possibly the ravings of a madman. To be honest, I am not sure what to think of it.

Guess I'll just keep wondering then, ah well.

[instinct]

sounds about right :lol:

[smckim]

If we gave red Karma to everyone who posted their opinion, just because it was different from ours, everyone would have nothing but red Karma. Thank you MGD for the RED KARMA, but it does not change my opinion! It just shows me I was right! Have a nice day!:abanana:

[Happy Shrew]

Remember . . . King Kong died for your sins.

[Anubis]

I am a french fry.. or a rampant fire breathing chicken...

[LostSheep]

did someone say fries?

[Cyzarine]

Well i think you guys are sweet and deserve a biiig hug.

I agree...lets all give Fnordiscordia and his friends big big hugs.

[Erincelt]

You can find fnord a quick-access copy fnord of the Principia Discordia at, of all fnord places:
http://www.principiadiscordia.com/


Huh, imagine that. (un)Fortunately, like all fnord copies of the Principia, it is incomplete fnord. Consult your pineal fnord gland for the missing bits, or fnord just try standing on your head fnord and reading it upside down. Dronf.

[instinct]

i have sexy knees

[Jenne]

:goodgrief Yeah, I have seen alot of it popping up on the boards. I also noticed that every time I see one, it seems to be laden with arguments and negativity. Something as simple as an introduction, turns into mayhem!! I'll pass on those threads and posts thank you, they take the enjoyment out of
conversation. I have never seen as many arguments on the boards as I have since those posts have started. That's just my opinion.:)

Yes, but, no offense, in your quest for prophylaxis, you've created more negativity.

Sort of defeated the purpose.

[Jenne]

i have sexy knees

Not so for myself.

Sexy eyes, yes. Saucy sashay, yes. Sexy knees, sadly...no.

*hangs head*

[instinct]

aww

have a cookie _cookie_

people generally don't look at your knees anyway :lol:

[Little Billy]

:goodgrief Yeah, I have seen alot of it popping up on the boards. I also noticed that every time I see one, it seems to be laden with arguments and negativity. Something as simple as an introduction, turns into mayhem!!

I'll pass on those threads and posts thank you, they take the enjoyment out of conversation. I have never seen as many arguments on the boards as I have since those posts have started. That's just my opinion.:)

1. Yep. It's like having a pack of mad Tongans move into the trailer next door, isn't it? They should all be wiped out. We have no need of Discordians, or their Subgenius buddies! DOWN WITH THE CHAOTICS! JIHAAD! AAAAAAAAAAAAAIIIIIIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEE!

2. Quite right. We can't have these buffoons tromping all over things! Paganism is serious business!. From this point forward, anyone found giggling will be shot. Smirking gets you the bastinado. And1.

[Little Billy]

Yes, but, no offense, in your quest for prophylaxis, you've created more negativity.

Sort of defeated the purpose.

I think of it more as "pouring blood in with the piranha."

[BlackMagicalCat]

Best way to tell how a discordian is and what they are is to watch what they do here.

Regardless of what Google says,your actions speak louder than your words.

And this site is a family,and we have respect as a rule.

I respect others based on their actions and words.

Never mind ,not all of them are that way

[Little Billy]

Best way to tell how a discordian is and what they are is to watch what they do here.

Regardless of what Google says,your actions speak louder than your words.

And this site is a family,and we have respect as a rule.

I respect others based on their actions and words.

Try asking a discordian a normal question and you sometimes get pure nonsence with no concern for the person who asked the question.
Well, that doesn't always work. Sometimes, Discordians/Subgenii can act just as earnestly & rationally as anybody else - sometimes more so.

This, of course, is when you need to keep your eye on them, because odds are, they're up to no good.

And as far as the respect thing goes, maybe they just have a completely different way of showing it, you know?

LB,
Thinks they should all be broken, and driven into the wastelands.

[BlackMagicalCat]

Well,not all of them are that way I must admit,some are okay,like you Little Billy.

See ya

[Little Billy]

Well,not all of them are that way I must admit,some are okay,like you Little Billy.

See ya

Thanks, but almost all of them are okay. You just have to let them grow on you, like a bad case of ringworm.

Besides, sometimes, in amongst all that dadaism is a nugget of wisdom.

But I wouldn't hold my breath.

[Amber Wynd]

Thanks, but almost all of them are okay. You just have to let them grow on you, like a bad case of ringworm.

Jeez, Billy.
Couldn't you compare me to something less icky and more exciting than ringworm?
It would make me feel so much better about myself.

[Little Billy]

Jeez, Billy.
Couldn't you compare me to something less icky and more exciting than ringworm?
It would make me feel so much better about myself.

Um...ringworm wiff teef like a moray eel, and hellagood gams?:abanana:

Who loves ya, baby?

[Amber Wynd]

Um...ringworm wiff teef like a moray eel, and hellagood gams?:abanana:

Who loves ya, baby?
That's better.



Sort of.


I think.

[Vincent Verthaine]

Any one who says they understand discordianism is lying through their teeth.

Of course the teachings of discordian is nonsense.
That is what it is all about.
Mastering nonsense.

Where has mastering sense gotten us.
A bunch of neat toys and a planet that seems to be pissed off at us.

In the 60's Thornley and Hill rose up against the coven wiccans and told them they don't have the right to dictate who is a pagan and who isn't.

Do a little research on paganism in the 50's.
It was more structured and controled then a Baptist church.
The myth of pagans being accepting of all paths back then is just that,a myth.
They fought against anything that didn't conform to there beliefs almost as hard(without the atrocities,I'll admit) as any christian fundementalist).
A lot of them disdain "ecletics" as much then,as they do now.
No "pagan" took you seriously if you were a solitary(eclectic)practicioner.
To be considered a "true pagan" you had to be initiated into an established wiccan coven.

We were the first pagans to break from that mindset in 1958-59.
We opened up the door so that all pagans may travel the Path they chose to journeya
Rather then the path given by the PAGAN PRIESTHOOD.
We were ther original pagan eclectic group in modern times.And that is historically accurate.

The Principia Discordioa is only the "introduction to the Erisian mysterees.
Many of us have gone into the advanced course.
We channel our Godess and write our own scriptures.

Discordisnism is at it's greatest when it is discounted,when it is underestimated and dismissed.

Of course you're going to see more discordians popping up.We're world wide.
We've been waiting for fifty years to be welcomed by the pagan community as a whole.
To be accepted as equals
And some of us aren't waiting any more.

Whether anyone likes it or not,we've been around for 50 years,Almost as long as wicca.
Our path is a legitamate path
(not like any of us give a sh...).

Sorry if we play play by Eris's rules,and not anyone elses.
I'm sorry that we won't conform to anyones pre-coceived notions about us.

Fighting greyfaces is a mark of honor for any Discordian to endeavor(whether they take the Sacred task or not,we don't hold it against them).
For a Path that escrews any central hierarchy,the scars one gets battling greyface says
"I don't just talk the talk,I walk the walk".

Which is worse,the arguements we start(which I may add,we do bring up many valid points) or everyone kissing each others asses trying to be "polite and non-offensive" to one another.

Chaos,discord and strife is a part of life.
Thats how we grow.Thats how we evolve.
chaos is the underlying sorce of the universe.No one acanb escape chaos,no matter how much they delude themselves into thinking they can.
Any organism that doesn't know how to adapt to it,dies.

Same thing with any belief structure.
European paganism showed how adaptive it was against the christian onslaught in the dark and middle ages.Thats why christians number in the billion plus.

The neo-con pagans on this forum have caused more discord and strife on this forum way before any of us discordians showed up.

If you want to put us in check,fine,put them in check also.They've been prostelytizing here longer then we have.

[Anubis]

Where is the mayonaise???

[Amber Wynd]

Where is the mayonaise???
Not to mention the Miracle Whip. I looove Miracle Whip.

[Erincelt]

Ek Chaos, eis Cosmos, dia Eros kai Nuos, en Synchronos estin Allege.

"Out of Chaos, Into Order, Through Love and Consciousness, In Eternity, Is Change."

[treefae]

i see it this way.anyone that knows what a really screwed up life is about wouldn't welcome chaos.to turn into what beat you down is weak.real friends wouldn't let that happen to you.

[RavenMorrighan]

I guess it would depend on how you view chaos. There is order in chaos even if it is not seen. The reason people dislike chaos is because it is hard to define and is viewed as the opposite of order. We go through points in our lives that seem chaotic and draining, but it can also be a rebuilding and reshaping of ourselves. Just my thoughts.......

[treefae]

why use words if it all means the same thing lol.i don't see the gray,i never did though.

[Little Billy]

Any one who says they understand discordianism is lying through their teeth.


I understand Discordianism.

For $30, I'll explain it to you.

[Jenne]

Well, on the subject of chaos--it's like anything else that's in a raw, natural element. It can be beautiful, it can be cruel, it can ruin you, it could be the making of you--too much is not a good thing, and a little goes a long, long way.

Harness it, you become ruler of the world...tame it, and you might die trying.

[Little Billy]

Well, on the subject of chaos--it's like anything else that's in a raw, natural element. It can be beautiful, it can be cruel, it can ruin you, it could be the making of you--too much is not a good thing, and a little goes a long, long way.

Harness it, you become ruler of the world...tame it, and you might die trying.

"Chaos is that which lets you get away with stuff, while everyone is looking at the mess."
- The Good Reverend Roger

[Jenne]

"Chaos is that which lets you get away with stuff, while everyone is looking at the mess."
- The Good Reverend Roger

I didn't even have to pay $30!!!

That's right true. Chaos gets attention...guess perpetrators of chaotic creation can be accused of "attention-seeking behaviors." LOL

[Little Billy]

I didn't even have to pay $30!!!

That's right true. Chaos gets attention...guess perpetrators of chaotic creation can be accused of "attention-seeking behaviors." LOL

1. First taste is always free. For more info, please deposit $30.

2. That's what we WANT you to think. We're like stage magicians, or politicians. While you look at the hand we're waving around, we're probably picking your pocket with the other. Well, we Subgenii, anyway. The Discordians are probably doing street theater, and telling themselves that they're changing the world. *snort*

[Magic Friday]

Dont listen to him, Subgenius is just a huge scam to get money out of people... well, everybody except Subgenii, who already know that.

I'm going to burn all that money.

[Little Billy]

I'm going to burn all that money.

You just made "Bob" cry.

[Cain]

So...... What exactly is a discordian? I keep seeing it in various places thoughout MW, yet I've never seen anything about it.

They are the insane devotees of an evil Greek goddess, Eris, aka Strife. She started the Trojan war, because she wasnt accorded the respect due to her. She was also considered the Goddess of Chaos, Lawlessness etc

In my opinion, the bunch of cultists should be deported without trial, or smashed and driven out of civilization altogether.

[Little Billy]

They are the insane devotees of an evil Greek goddess, Eris, aka Strife. She started the Trojan war, because she wasnt accorded the respect due to her. She was also considered the Goddess of Chaos, Lawlessness etc

In my opinion, the bunch of cultists should be deported without trial, or smashed and driven out of civilization altogether.


AFTER they get the bastinado.

[gidur23]

what u want to know is what is a greyface

can u answer

didn't think so

[treefae]

newjack

[Bethra]

I'm not a discordian!
Yes you are!
No I'm not!
You are too!
No I'm one!
See I told you you were!
Were what?
A discordian!
What's one of them then?
You know you're one!
No I'm not!
Yes you are!
Look what's that over there?
*casialy tosses golden apple into the mix and wanders off still arguing with herself*

[Little Billy]

I'm not a discordian!
Yes you are!
No I'm not!
You are too!
No I'm one!
See I told you you were!
Were what?
A discordian!
What's one of them then?
You know you're one!
No I'm not!
Yes you are!
Look what's that over there?
*casialy tosses golden apple into the mix and wanders off still arguing with herself*

I'm not. :)

LB,
Wouldn't admit it if he was.

[MGD]

Thanks.

[Jenne]

2. That's what we WANT you to think. We're like stage magicians, or politicians.

I like what Sting said about politicians,

"They all seem like
Game show hosts to me."

Pretty apt.

[Magic Friday]

i see it this way.anyone that knows what a really screwed up life is about wouldn't welcome chaos.to turn into what beat you down is weak.real friends wouldn't let that happen to you.

Speak for yourself. We are not always offered a choice in the way chaos manifests as an aspect of our life, and if the choice is to be defeated by it and become a weaker person or to overcome it and become a stronger person, I will choose the latter option even if it is a more difficult path.

Chaos is such an abstract concept that to really pidgenhole it into one point of view, or one narrow definition, is impossible. It is a broad thing that can be seen one way or the other, or can manifest as either a destructive or creative force.

It is one thing to be tyrannized and to become a tyrant as a result, I would agree that this is weak. But it is another thing to have a chaotic existence, and to rise above it, by learning how to adapt to constant change. I do not think that this is weak.

If you knew me personally, you would understand, but I will leave these statements as they are... adding only that this is based on my personal experience in life so far. I do not think that we can control everything in the world, that every event in our life can be predicted and dealt with accordingly. In life, events that are completely outside of our control have the ability to affect us very immediately, and very drastically. I am not afraid of that.

[Little Billy]

Speak for yourself. We are not always offered a choice in the way chaos manifests as an aspect of our life, and if the choice is to be defeated by it and become a weaker person or to overcome it and become a stronger person, I will choose the latter option even if it is a more difficult path.


I prefer to just drop my pants and roll in it.

[treefae]

I am not afraid of that.
You don't have to be in fear of something to not welcome it.I know people that create and feed off other people's fear because they cannot face their own.

[Magic Friday]

You don't have to be in fear of something to not welcome it.I know people that create and feed off other people's fear because they cannot face their own.

Which is precisely why I make the point of saying that chaos is an abstract which cant be pidgenholed into a purely negative connotation. Certainly there are negative aspects to it, and the word can be used this way, but given the context of discordianism this is not necessarily the case.

[Little Billy]

Which is precisely why I make the point of saying that chaos is an abstract which cant be pidgenholed into a purely negative connotation. Certainly there are negative aspects to it, and the word can be used this way, but given the context of discordianism this is not necessarily the case.

http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/bkremix.php

This will answer all of your questions. And THEN some.

[Thunder]

Where does entropy fit into the discordian Philosophy?

[Vincent Verthaine]

Where does entropy fit into the discordian Philosophy?
Usually by the top left hand shelf betwwen the socks,and the wombat.

[Thunder]

Usually by the top left hand shelf betwwen the socks,and the wombat.

I should've seen that coming... maybe not the wombat.

[Cain]

I should've seen that coming... maybe not the wombat.

People never see the wombat. They can be deceptively fast.

[Little Billy]

People never see the wombat. They can be deceptively fast.

And they have claws like razors.

But where does entropy fit in?

I don't think anyone ever stopped to consider it. Entropy happens. Without it, there would be no time. And then everything would happen all at once...which probably isn't as cool as it sounds, for reasons that - while they make a great deal of sense - would get me banned for my filthy little mind.

[Thunder]

And they have claws like razors.

But where does entropy fit in?

I don't think anyone ever stopped to consider it. Entropy happens. Without it, there would be no time. And then everything would happen all at once...which probably isn't as cool as it sounds, for reasons that - while they make a great deal of sense - would get me banned for my filthy little mind.

You do have an unusual perspective.

[MGD]

Discordians are horrible petty people who would shove a disabled person down the stairs just for a laugh.

[Little Billy]

You do have an unusual perspective.

I blame society.

[Little Billy]

Discordians are horrible petty people who would shove a disabled person down the stairs just for a laugh.

Humans must be protected. Please go stand by the stairs.

[MGD]

These stairs?

Right here?

[Little Billy]

These stairs?

Right here?

::shove::

[MGD]

OMFG!!!11

*breaks neck at the bottom of the stairs*

[Little Billy]

OMFG!!!11

*breaks neck at the bottom of the stairs*

You have been protected from The Terrible Secret of Space(tm).

[MGD]

Heh, do you have the link to that?

I haven't been able to find it for months.

[Little Billy]

Heh, do you have the link to that?

I haven't been able to find it for months.

But of course.

http://www.devilducky.com/media/898/

[brighid's child]

sooo..from what I understand discordians welcome the force of chaos (Discord) in the world, and have a wickedly sharp sense of humor?
I seems like a rather complex philosophy(dang, I can't spell this late at night), I think the rest of us are just trying to get a handle on how to relate to you.
Are you enjoying confusing us all? :awilly:

[Amber Wynd]

sooo..from what I understand discordians welcome the force of chaos (Discord) in the world, and have a wickedly sharp sense of humor?
I seems like a rather complex philosophy(dang, I can't spell this late at night), I think the rest of us are just trying to get a handle on how to relate to you.
Are you enjoying confusing us all? :awilly:
Honestly? I don't think any of us are even trying to confuse you guys. :boing:

[semi]

I'm very confused. I thought Discordianism was somehow based on Disco.

[Amber Wynd]

I'm very confused. I thought Discordianism was somehow based on Disco.
Nooo.......I'd have to excommunicate myself if it had anything to do with Disco.

[semi]

So then, I should take off these platform shoes? Damn! What about the gold chains? And I just had my chest hair permed. Is that not good? Is that not the Disco-rdian way?

[Amber Wynd]

So then, I should take off these platform shoes? Damn! What about the gold chains? And I just had my chest hair permed. Is that not good? Is that not the Disco-rdian way?
Chest hair permed=good.

Gold chains=bad. You should give them to me for safekeeping.

Platform shoes are optional, but only if they have goldfish in heels like David Bowie had.

[Cain]

I personally think we should be putting the Disco back into Discordianism.

[semi]

If you'll have me, I'll personally volunteer to put the disco back into Discordianism. I'm more of a Slipknot, Ministry, and Slayer kind of guy, but I got the moves, man!

Ok, actually I've never danced in my life, but I can put goldfish in my shoes! I already have....other things in them.

[Amber Wynd]

I personally think we should be putting the Disco back into Discordianism.
Traitor. :awilly:

If you'll have me, I'll personally volunteer to put the disco back into Discordianism. I'm more of a Slipknot, Ministry, and Slayer kind of guy, but I got the moves, man!

Ok, actually I've never danced in my life, but I can put goldfish in my shoes! I already have....other things in them.
Well, Cain's the pope and he approves, so I guess you're in.
Just promise not to tell me what ...other things you have in your shoes.

Disco.......Arghhhh!

[semi]

Well, Amber. If you're not busy this weekend, maybe we can get together and I'll show you what's in my shoes. If you know what I mean.

[semi]

Wait, I misread that. You said NOT to show you. Ok. Sorry. That's ok. I'm used to rejection. Nothing more to see here. Move along. No, my shoes are not leaking, move along, please.

[Amber Wynd]

Well, Amber. If you're not busy this weekend, maybe we can get together and I'll show you what's in my shoes. If you know what I mean.
What? No gold chains? :smash:

P.S. I'm still waiting for Lightdragon to tell me if we're engaged or if he's going to dump me for one of those other broads he's also proposed to. Can I get back to you on this weekend after I find out?

Edit: Oops. Looks like this weekend is off anyway.
I'll just go pout now.

[semi]

That's ok. I'm used to spending time alone with my shoes. At least it's good quality time. Otherwise, I might be really messed up psychologically. Heh.

[Amber Wynd]

That's ok. I'm used to spending time alone with my shoes. At least it's good quality time. Otherwise, I might be really messed up psychologically. Heh.
Okay, now that made me spit my coffee out.
Good job.:)

P.S. I'm stealing this post.

[semi]

My work is done here. Disco lives!

[eldora_avalon]

I personally think we should be putting the Disco back into Discordianism.
You will pay for this. Thusly _wedgie_

[eldora_avalon]

So then, I should take off these platform shoes? Damn! What about the gold chains? And I just had my chest hair permed. Is that not good? Is that not the Disco-rdian way?
Your chest hair is long enough to perm :bug:

[Little Billy]

sooo..from what I understand discordians welcome the force of chaos (Discord) in the world, and have a wickedly sharp sense of humor?
I seems like a rather complex philosophy(dang, I can't spell this late at night), I think the rest of us are just trying to get a handle on how to relate to you.
Are you enjoying confusing us all? :awilly:

Does the sun enjoy coming up in the morning? :santasmil

[eldora_avalon]

Honestly? I don't think any of us are even trying to confuse you guys. :boing:
I'm not. I just have a knack for confusing people without even trying :wave:

[semi]

Does the sun enjoy coming up in the morning? I always thought the sun came up in the morning screaming, "No, it's too early! It's too bright! And the birds! Make them stop singing their horrible song! Make them stop! Please! They make me want to do bad things! ARRRRRGH!" Or maybe that's just me.

[eldora_avalon]

Does the sun enjoy coming up in the morning? I always thought the sun came up in the morning screaming, "No, it's too early! It's too bright! And the birds! Make them stop singing their horrible song! Make them stop! Please! They make me want to do bad things! ARRRRRGH!" Or maybe that's just me.
Or you've been listening in on my brain again. Must remember to get new tinfoil hat :spaceman:

[Little Billy]

Traitor. :awilly:


Well, Cain's the pope and he approves, so I guess you're in.
Just promise not to tell me what ...other things you have in your shoes.

Disco.......Arghhhh!


DANNNNNNNNNCING QUEEN...

[Little Billy]

Does the sun enjoy coming up in the morning? I always thought the sun came up in the morning screaming, "No, it's too early! It's too bright! And the birds! Make them stop singing their horrible song! Make them stop! Please! They make me want to do bad things! ARRRRRGH!" Or maybe that's just me.

No, it isn't just you. But the sun only says that so people won't think he's a pervert.

[Amber Wynd]

DANNNNNNNNNCING QUEEN...
Well, crap.....it's contagious. _travolta_

[Little Billy]

Well, crap.....it's contagious. _travolta_

Best. Emoticon. EVAR.

Except for the :tggr: emoticon Synaptix made on POEE.

[synaptyx]

it's likely [Discordians]'re planning to take over the world or destroy the worldPersonally, I just want to make happy fun love with it, but its such a sticky planet it would be better if it were wiped clean.

[eldora_avalon]

Personally, I just want to make happy fun love with it, but its such a sticky planet it would be better if it were wiped clean.
I don't think they make butt wipes that big :hehehehe:

[synaptyx]

Best. Emoticon. EVAR.

Except for the :tggr: emoticon Synaptix made on POEE.Thanks man. http://www.poee.co.uk/boards/images/smiles/tgrr.gif

[synaptyx]

I don't think they make butt wipes that big :hehehehe:You calling me a buttf-----? :awilly:

[eldora_avalon]

You calling me a buttf-----? :awilly:
You might call them diaper wipes across the pond, I call them buttwipes :lol:

[synaptyx]

Naw, I mean...

Ah, forget it.

:P

[Meabh23]

So...... What exactly is a discordian? I keep seeing it in various places thoughout MW, yet I've never seen anything about it.

All I know is that they seem very interesting. So does their Goddess, Eris.

I have yet to view their forums though. I should get to know a bit more first.

[synaptyx]

Read the principia, then read Verthaine's stuff. Just my recommendations like. Loads of downloads to read at http://poee.co.uk :D

[Thunder]

There is order in chaos even if it is not seen. The reason people dislike chaos is because it is hard to define and is viewed as the opposite of order.

I'm sorry... I have been reading everything I can find on the site about discordians and a bunch of stuff elsewhere. But you have gone too far. You cannot rewrite reality to suite yourself. The very definition of chaos is the absence of order. There is no order in chaos. It is not viewed this way, it is defined as such. There is no room for interpretation here... Sorry.

[Little Billy]

I'm sorry... I have been reading everything I can find on the site about discordians and a bunch of stuff elsewhere. But you have gone too far. You cannot rewrite reality to suite yourself. The very definition of chaos is the absence of order. There is no order in chaos. It is not viewed this way, it is defined as such. There is no room for interpretation here... Sorry.

Thanks. I've been hollering that for years.

[Magic Friday]

I'm sorry... I have been reading everything I can find on the site about discordians and a bunch of stuff elsewhere. But you have gone too far. You cannot rewrite reality to suite yourself. The very definition of chaos is the absence of order. There is no order in chaos. It is not viewed this way, it is defined as such. There is no room for interpretation here... Sorry.

[edit: nevermind]

:cheers:

[Little Billy]

Who says I cant? Besides that, english allows for words to have multiple definitions according to context. I'm sorry you dont like use of the word 'chaos', but thats not my problem.

:cheers:

Not in this case. Chaos = chaos = absence of order.

If you want to change words til they're meaningless to suit some fluffy-bunny view on life, well, knock yourself out...Just don't wonder when nobody understands what the hell you are trying to say.

[Thunder]

Without lauching into a 50 billion word (attempt to baffle for lack of substance) tirade, do discordians believe (to the extent that any two might actually believe the same thing) that entropy rules and that things are now and have always been moving from a state of order towards a state of disorder?

[Little Billy]

Without lauching into a 50 billion word (attempt to baffle for lack of substance) tirade, do discordians believe (to the extent that any two might actually believe the same thing) that entropy rules and that things are now and have always been moving from a state of order towards a state of disorder?


Discordianism pretty much ingores entropy, because entropy never returns our calls.

Let's put it this way...entropy doesn't apply to Earth, because Earth (as a local phenomena) is not a closed system (it receives energy from the sun). Nor does it apply to society, as people are (alledgedly) intelligent, and intelligent action can (temporarily) overcome entropy. Human civilization tends to INCREASING order...this is what we oppose. Too many rules, not enough FUN, and - last but not least - we like to see things fall down and go boom.

[Thunder]

I was actually asking MF, but thanks.

[Little Billy]

I was actually asking MF, but thanks.

Why didn't you say so?

[eldora_avalon]

I'm sorry... I have been reading everything I can find on the site about discordians and a bunch of stuff elsewhere. But you have gone too far. You cannot rewrite reality to suite yourself. The very definition of chaos is the absence of order. There is no order in chaos. It is not viewed this way, it is defined as such. There is no room for interpretation here... Sorry.
Interesting.....
linky (http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/0393059456/ref=sib_vae_pg_23/102-8186901-6184900?%5Fencoding=UTF8&keywords=meaning&p=S013&twc=9&checkSum=sKWgoZRQH3E6ax846elua9u9RACnrRI4ZDA0zREmiU8%3D#reader-page)

1 Chaos in everyday English: The dictionary defines the word as "a state of utter confusion or disorder; a total lack of organisation or order."

2 Chaos in the actual world: The second meaning is illustrated by teh butterfly and weather. Chaos here refers to the phenomenon in which a slight change in the situation at one moment has only a small effect at first but is then magnified with each subsequent step in the process. The eventual effect is a vast, but theoretically predictable, influence on the future. In other words, the butterfly does not cause random weather, it causes different weather. The phrase associated with this idea is "sensitivity to initial conditions."

3 Mathematical Chaos: This sense of the word has to do with repeated mathematical processes that have a sensitivity-to-initial-conditions property. That is, mathematical chaos is an extrapolation of the real-world butterfly effect. It is not the same as chaos in ordinary English, because it possesses neither randomness nor uncertainty. Instead, a mathematical process that exhibits chaos, although completely accurate and deterministic, diverges very quickly from the results obtained with even slightly different initial starting points.
I can spend days quoting from that book and others. Chaos has within it order and disorder. There seems to be a lot of math and physics dorks among Discordians. I only got D's in physics, but I got all A's in math :wave:

[Philosophia]

Agreeing with eldora avalon. Even though I'm not discordian, though I'm very interested in it, here are some links on mathematical chaos.
Some links on mathematical chaos:
http://library.thinkquest.org/2647/chaos/chaos.htm
http://library.thinkquest.org/3120/text/math.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaos_theory

[eldora_avalon]

Agreeing with eldora avalon. Even though I'm not discordian, though I'm very interested in it, here are some links on mathematical chaos.
Some links on mathematical chaos:
http://library.thinkquest.org/2647/chaos/chaos.htm
http://library.thinkquest.org/3120/text/math.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaos_theory
hehehe, we have a fractal tape and my 5 year old knows the difference between a Julian and a Mandelbrot. Of course he calls the Mandelbrot the Snowman Butt Guy, but hey, what did you expect :hehehehe:

[Vincent Verthaine]

I'm sorry... I have been reading everything I can find on the site about discordians and a bunch of stuff elsewhere. But you have gone too far. You cannot rewrite reality to suite yourself. The very definition of chaos is the absence of order. There is no order in chaos. It is not viewed this way, it is defined as such. There is no room for interpretation here... Sorry.

Defined by whom?

Ever study mathematics.
Even long series of seemingly random numbers can have patterns locked within.
In fractals there are islands of order in seemingly chaotic structures.
Chaos is not the absense of order.It is the interplay of order and disorder.
Order dictates what basic shape the leaves of a tree will have,disorder dictates that subtle differences each leaf has.

In a hypothetical area of pure chaos,nothing can manifest.Nothing can maintain a form.
Imagine seeing everything happening in the universe,past present and future, at the the same time.
In a hypothetical area of pure order,nothing can change.Everything remains static.
It is a moment frozen forever in time.

Chaos is the realm of infinite possibilites.
Order is the realm of finite actualities.

Theres a lot more "could be's" then there are
"are's".

The study of chaos is still relatively young.Chaos theory didn't even enter the picture until Edward Lorenz started studying weather patterns in 1960.


Chaos to a mathemetician and chaos to a theologian are two different things.
Chaos to a quantum physicist and chaos to a politician are two different things.
How do you define something that by it's very nature truly defies definition..

Let us not get into the ideology that Chaos is Bad,Order is Good.

Sparta was one of the most ordered societies in history.
so where are they now.
So was Nazi Germany.

I can't speak for others,but I always considered Chaos to be analoguous to the chinese concept of the Tao.
Like the tao,chaos underlines everything.

In the realm of the sub-atomic the Newtonian Laws of Physics do not necessarilly apply.
Quantum physics deals with probabilities,because of Heisenburgs Uncertainty Principle.You can predict with reasonable accuracy what a large number of sub-atomic particles will do.But it is impossible to know what one particle in that group will do.

At the realm of the infinitesimal,(10-28th of a centimeter] Newtonian concepts of space breaks down.Space is no longer uniform,but seems to take a foamy texture.Very chaotic.
At Planck time(10-34th of a second) Newtonian concepts of time break down.
In the quantum realm,there are no true rules,only approximations.

Quantum events can and do effect the macroscopic.
Our d.n.a. and even our neurons can be effected by quantum fluctuations.

Mutations can happen when cosmic rays(which are actually highly charged particles) hit a strand of d.n.a.

And it is possible to re-write reality.

Until the turn of the 20th century,scientists thought they knew all the important answers to reality.The "clock-work universe" was the model of reality.It was considered feasible if one knew the position of all the particles in the universe,one could know the past and the future.Everything was pre-determined at the birth of the universe.
Then came quantum physics,and threw a monkey wrench in everyones perception of reality.
Albert Einstein could never accept the chaotic implications of quantum theory,and spent the latter part of his life trying to disprove quantum physic.
He couldn't.

What drives a lot of people absolutely nuts about quantum theory isn't just that it is so chaotic,it is because it is so successful as a theory.
If you are reading this post on your computer,thank quantum physics.
There may come a time when human knowledge and discoveries will force scientists to toss away quantum theory.
But what replaces it my be even more chaotic.It will pose more question then it answers.
Heavier then air flight was considered impossible until the Wright brothers came along.

[Vincent Verthaine]

I'm sorry... I have been reading everything I can find on the site about discordians and a bunch of stuff elsewhere. But you have gone too far. You cannot rewrite reality to suite yourself. The very definition of chaos is the absence of order. There is no order in chaos. It is not viewed this way, it is defined as such. There is no room for interpretation here... Sorry.

Defined by whom?

Ever study mathematics.
Even long series of seemingly random numbers can have patterns locked within.
In fractals there are islands of order in seemingly chaotic structures.
Chaos is not the absense of order.It is the interplay of order and disorder.
Order dictates what basic shape the leaves of a tree will have,disorder dictates that subtle differences each leaf has.

In a hypothetical area of pure chaos,nothing can manifest.Nothing can maintain a form.
Imagine seeing everything happening in the universe,past present and future, at the the same time.
In a hypothetical area of pure order,nothing can change.Everything remains static.
It is a moment frozen forever in time.

Chaos is the realm of infinite possibilites.
Order is the realm of finite actualities.

Theres a lot more "could be's" then there are
"are's".

The study of chaos is still relatively young.Chaos theory didn't even enter the picture until Edward Lorenz started studying weather patterns in 1960.


Chaos to a mathemetician and chaos to a theologian are two different things.
Chaos to a quantum physicist and chaos to a politician are two different things.
How do you define something that by it's very nature truly defies definition..

Let us not get into the ideology that Chaos is Bad,Order is Good.

Sparta was one of the most ordered societies in history.
so where are they now.
So was Nazi Germany.

I can't speak for others,but I always considered Chaos to be analoguous to the chinese concept of the Tao.
Like the tao,chaos underlines everything.

In the realm of the sub-atomic the Newtonian Laws of Physics do not necessarilly apply.
Quantum physics deals with probabilities,because of Heisenburgs Uncertainty Principle.You can predict with reasonable accuracy what a large number of sub-atomic particles will do.But it is impossible to know what one particle in that group will do.

At the realm of the infinitesimal,(10-28th of a centimeter] Newtonian concepts of space breaks down.Space is no longer uniform,but seems to take a foamy texture.Very chaotic.
At Planck time(10-34th of a second) Newtonian concepts of time break down.
In the quantum realm,there are no true rules,only approximations.

Quantum events can and do effect the macroscopic.
Our d.n.a. and even our neurons can be effected by quantum fluctuations.

Mutations can happen when cosmic rays(which are actually highly charged particles) hit a strand of d.n.a.

And it is possible to re-write reality.

Until the turn of the 20th century,scientists thought they knew all the important answers to reality.The "clock-work universe" was the model of reality.It was considered feasible if one knew the position of all the particles in the universe,one could know the past and the future.Everything was pre-determined at the birth of the universe.
Then came quantum physics,and threw a monkey wrench in everyones perception of reality.
Albert Einstein could never accept the chaotic implications of quantum theory,and spent the latter part of his life trying to disprove quantum physic.
He couldn't.

What drives a lot of people absolutely nuts about quantum theory isn't just that it is so chaotic,it is because it is so successful as a theory.
If you are reading this post on your computer,thank quantum physics.
There may come a time when human knowledge and discoveries will force scientists to toss away quantum theory.
But what replaces it my be even more chaotic.It will pose more question then it answers.

[Thunder]

Defined by whom?


In a hypothetical area of pure chaos,nothing can manifest.Nothing can maintain a form.
Imagine seeing everything happening in the universe,past present and future, at the the same time.
In a hypothetical area of pure order,nothing can change.Everything remains static.
It is a moment frozen forever in time.

Chaos is the realm of infinite possibilites.
Order is the realm of finite actualities.

Theres a lot more "could be's" then there are
"are's".



You had me here. The rest was overkill.
I spend hours in the forest pondering things along the lines you just drew.
My fascination with science as a child turned into a lifes work. I had reached the point where I was nearly incapable of seeing the possible hidden behind the probable. Science is a funny thing. Sometimes it is way too goal driven. When you know what you are looking for it is hard to see anything else.

You need to talk to your compatriots; too many of them are in it just for the disruption.

[Cain]

I dont think the two views (LB vs Eldora and Verthaine) is that incompatible. Its just a difference of focus, between science and the universe at large, and society and the interaction of humans among themselves. I tend to the latter, but mostly because I'm a people person and my science skills are not as good as others. I keep meaning to look into it, but....

[Amber Wynd]

I dont think the two views (LB vs Eldora and Verthaine) is that incompatible. Its just a difference of focus, between science and the universe at large, and society and the interaction of humans among themselves.
Agreed. I also think it's partly a reflection of the difference between Erisianism and Discordianism. There's a fine distinction, but it's a real one and in my point of view, mostly a matter of focus. I started out as strictly a Discordian, but find myself more and more of an Erisian. A lot of it due to Verthaine's influence I'm sure.

[Vincent Verthaine]

You had me here. The rest was overkill.
I spend hours in the forest pondering things along the lines you just drew.
My fascination with science as a child turned into a lifes work. I had reached the point where I was nearly incapable of seeing the possible hidden behind the probable. Science is a funny thing. Sometimes it is way too goal driven. When you know what you are looking for it is hard to see anything else.

You need to talk to your compatriots; too many of them are in it just for the disruption.

And tell them what?

I have no control over them.
I may have some influence in the discordian community,but I can't tell any of them what to do.
Isn't that what the "ignore" function is for?
Isn't that what the "mods" are for

I won't deny that discordians can be a disruptive influence.
But there are times,even on this forum,where the accusation of being disruptive means:"how dare those discordians disagree with what I am saying"."How dare those discordians contradict the b.s. I'm trying to shovel down the pagans throats."How dare those discordians question my right to tell everyone what they can believe or worship"

I am not a wiccan,but I have been very vocal about the right of the eclectic/solitary wiccans to define themselves as wiccans.
Maybe to some of the more traditional wiccans,I am a disruptive influence.
COOL!!!

I can live with that.

If a discordian gets busted and gets him/herself banned,thats sucks but oh well.
i've always said that one of the biggest sins in discordianism is to get caught.

I may be guilty of overkill,but no one can accuse me of not putting forth examples,reference material,scientific evidence,etc. to back up whatever point I am trying to make.
That way,people reading the post can decide for themselves the validity of my claims,rather then just me saying, "It is this way because I said so",or "Because my God/Goddess said so".

Which,unfortunately,happens quite a bit on this forum.

[Amber Wynd]

And tell them what?

I have no control over them.
I may have some influence in the discordian community,but I can't tell any of them what to do.

Yup. I think it's sometimes difficult for some folks to understand that we truly have no authority figures/leaders in Discordia. None of us can speak for the others because every Discordian/Erisian is the Pope or Papessa. Verthaine has influence because he's earned our respect, and earned it the hard way. It's no small matter to gain the respect of the Discordian community and there is no faster way to lose it again than by telling another community member what to think or how to behave. This is why our own forums are larely unmodderated. We're a loose collection of free people who agree sometimes and disagree other times and we wouldn't have it any other way.

*Please note, that I'm not saying that this forum should be as unmodderated as ours are. That would be like saying an orange has to taste like an apple in order to be delicious.

[Little Billy]

You need to talk to your compatriots; too many of them are in it just for the disruption.

Naw. Disruption is a means, not an end.

Besides, define "disruption"...one man's disruption is another man's normal behavior.

[Little Billy]

Agreed. I also think it's partly a reflection of the difference between Erisianism and Discordianism.

And the Subgenius, which is a third catagory altogether.

[Amber Wynd]

And the Subgenius, which is a third catagory altogether.
Exactly. There are similarities and common ground between Discordians/Erisians and the Subgenius, but it really is a third catagory.

[Little Billy]

Exactly. There are similarities and common ground between Discordians/Erisians and the Subgenius, but it really is a third catagory.

Yep. You Discordians do what you do because you want to. We Subgenii do what we do because "Bob" told us to.

The fact that we do damn near the exact same thing is irrelevant.

[Meabh23]

What? No gold chains? :smash:

P.S. I'm still waiting for Lightdragon to tell me if we're engaged or if he's going to dump me for one of those other broads he's also proposed to. Can I get back to you on this weekend after I find out?

Edit: Oops. Looks like this weekend is off anyway.
I'll just go pout now.

Don't trust the MENs. They are easily deluded. Or so I am led to believe by my new Erisian mentors.

[Little Billy]

Don't trust the MENs. They are easily deluded. Or so I am led to believe by my new Erisian mentors.


Hell, yes. I know *I'M" dumb as a bag of hammers, when it comes to feminine wiles.

Yowza.

[Meabh23]

Hell, yes. I know *I'M" dumb as a bag of hammers, when it comes to feminine wiles.

Yowza.


It is funny that every group of people thinks that certain other groups of people are stupid.

No one sees how dumb we all are at times.

[Little Billy]

It is funny that every group of people thinks that certain other groups of people are stupid.

No one sees how dumb we all are at times.

I wallow in my dumbness. I am a practicioner of "the art of not trying".

[Thunder]

Hell, yes. I know *I'M" dumb as a bag of hammers, when it comes to feminine wiles.

Yowza.

Does a bag of hammers = a box of rocks?

[Little Billy]

Does a bag of hammers = a box of rocks?

Yes, but sechsayer.

[Meabh23]

I wallow in my dumbness. I am a practicioner of "the art of not trying".

I commend you. You are more honest than most.

I for one sometimes will fiercely defend my right to be plum dumb.

[Fire's Shadow]

What happeneds if you are scared half to death, twice?

[Little Billy]

What happeneds if you are scared half to death, twice?

You get the 3rd one free.

[Little Billy]

I commend you. You are more honest than most.

I for one sometimes will fiercely defend my right to be plum dumb.


Half the problem with the world is that people are terrified to admit they screwed up. Wars are started for this reason...anything, anything but admit you were wrong/stupid/ignorant.

[Meabh23]

Half the problem with the world is that people are terrified to admit they screwed up. Wars are started for this reason...anything, anything but admit you were wrong/stupid/ignorant.


It is sad.

Though I admit it can be funny to watch from across a bar when the same scenario is played out by drunken fools.

In the end everyone came to the bar to have a good time, so why can't some people just simply do that?

They'd rather ruin their lives and go to prison to become someone's pet, then to admit they were wrong and get on with their debauchery.

[synaptyx]

Nations are drunken fools and children at their most unruly, yet they should not be pitied, for it is all their own damned fault which part they they picked to play the brain.


Or something.

[Meabh23]

Nations are drunken fools and children at their most unruly, yet they should not be pitied, for it is all their own damned fault which part they they picked to play the brain.


Or something.


Nations are drunken fools?

Where are the drinks for the rest of us?

[DoktorSick]

Nations are drunken fools and children at their most unruly, yet they should not be pitied, for it is all their own damned fault which part they they picked to play the brain.


Or something.
yeah drunken fools with nukes and chemical and biological weapons.

[Meabh23]

yeah drunken fools with nukes and chemical and biological weapons.

As I said, where are the drinks for the rest of us?

[Earthy]

Now i've been thinking about chaos.
Ant to be honest, chaos scares me rigid..i like a nice orderly life etc that comes with having several OCD's.
So how do i accept that things just happen for no other reason than "just because"?
I always try to find logical answers where,sometimes there are no answers.
How do i cope with a chaotic world?

[Earthy]

Oh, i forgot to add.
I can't remember who said it but somebody mentioned the whole negativity feelings being put down to the negative media coverage of horror in the world.
I've got to agree.
I'm unable to read or watch the news at the moment because it was that which tipped me over the edge, and now i am on the happy pills :awilly:

[Vincent Verthaine]

Now i've been thinking about chaos.
Ant to be honest, chaos scares me rigid..i like a nice orderly life etc that comes with having several OCD's.
So how do i accept that things just happen for no other reason than "just because"?
I always try to find logical answers where,sometimes there are no answers.
How do i cope with a chaotic world?
You just do,or you don't.

If you want to learn how to live in an chaotic world,you have to give up the lie that your life is orderly.

Adapt or die,that is the reality of the universe.

The thought that you can control every aspect of your life is one of the biggest conceits this species has.
Chaos is necessary for growth.

During the aftermath of Katrina,I saw many people lose their minds because they coudn't handle the fact something happened beyond their control.
That is why so many people went nuts and looted bullsit stuff.
The Forces of Order that they have always relied upon failed them,and they couldn't handle it.

A lot of discordians here survived and thrived here because we never had faith in Order.
We just did what it took to survive.
Eris hates complacency.
She laughs at those who think they have all the answers,knows all the angles.
Chaos is necessary to weed out the weak,and make the strong,stronger.

It is through chaos,confusion and strive that really proves the measure of a being.

I know for a fact that I can have everything I have built,everything I have strived for,taken away at a moments notice,and know tha I will still survive and regain what I have lost.
I know what it is like to be homeless.
I know what it is like to be on the streets.
I know what it is like to be hungry and have nothing.
I know what it is like to struggle for survival.
And I know that I can rise above it.
Can you say the same thing?

Think about it.

[Meabh23]

Eris hates complacency.

This is the key.

[Sivafae]

I have been fnord so amused by this thread.
All hail discordia!
All hail Eris!
If I may be so bold with my first post, I would like to quote from the The Principia Discordia itself.
I am chaos. I am the substance from which your artists and scientists build rhythms. I am the spirit with which your children and clowns laugh in happy anarchy. I am chaos. I am alive, and I tell you that you are free.
and
It is called the Sacred Chao. I appoint you Keepers of It. Therein you will find anything you like. Speak of Me as Discord, to show contrast to the pentagon. Tell constricted mankind that there are no rules, unless they choose to invent rules.
Now that is what I call jibberish and nonsense.

[Little Billy]

Now i've been thinking about chaos.
Ant to be honest, chaos scares me rigid..i like a nice orderly life etc that comes with having several OCD's.
So how do i accept that things just happen for no other reason than "just because"?
I always try to find logical answers where,sometimes there are no answers.
How do i cope with a chaotic world?

Well, OCD is a bugger, but if you try hard enough, you can tip that neurosis the other way, and go into full-bore hedonism/chaos.

Of course, you'll wind up totally berserk, but you won't care.

[Little Billy]

I have been fnord so amused by this thread.
All hail discordia!
All hail Eris!
If I may be so bold with my first post, I would like to quote from the The Principia Discordia itself.
I am chaos. I am the substance from which your artists and scientists build rhythms. I am the spirit with which your children and clowns laugh in happy anarchy. I am chaos. I am alive, and I tell you that you are free.
and
It is called the Sacred Chao. I appoint you Keepers of It. Therein you will find anything you like. Speak of Me as Discord, to show contrast to the pentagon. Tell constricted mankind that there are no rules, unless they choose to invent rules.
Now that is what I call jibberish and nonsense.

Allow me to reciprocate, with a quote from Revelation X:

Suicide has become an art form. So has sniping. A cup of coffee and a can of creamed plankton costs half a million bucks. Goods are made so shoddily that even plastic fruit rots in the bowl. The lights are getting dim, the power bills are going up, it's getting colder, water comes from the tap in a thin brown stream that discolors your teeth and gums and shrivels your privates. One day you turn on the faucet and a blur of angry roaches streams out. 20 years worth of chemical waste is buried under your house...that may explain the headaches and Mrs. Brodie's Elephant Baby. Vandals, rape gorillas, dogmouth underlings...abject rush hour simian sub-men, bumper to bumper...You want to punish them all, to lash out in spectacular vengeance. But you feel as if some Great Liberal in the Sky is holding a bludgeon over you, exhorting you to behave. You can't find a place to live where They don't rub against you in your dreams. It's crowded, and the air is bad for your skin. It hurts when you breath, and there are certain neighborhoods where, unless you wear the Mark of the Beast, you aren't supposed to inhale at all. And there's NO PARKING.

But maybe you're rich, in a fugitive leisure world, getting soft, and the softness is killing you even more painfully because you have time to NOTICE. And the demons have a chance to notice you too: tobacco demons, alcohol demons, cancer demons, stress demons. Your guts ache, you don't have a light, your herb is mouldy, your palms are clammy, your gas lines are leaking, your tongue is a wad of clay, you are paid to say things you hate. You have a cage for a head, and it has not been cleaned.

A life of compulsive consumption. The liberty to be just like everybody else. The pursuit of the happiness of the grave.

You look around and wonder, "Is everyone really this shallow, stupid, ignorant and naive, or is it me? Have I become so twisted and warped that I am no longer able to empathize or even communicate with most of the human race? Do I alone feel this hatred for the assholes who run our lives, this disgust with the PINK DUPES?"

But then you see those being senselessly lynched in the media, the workplace, the schoolyard, the market and the courts, and you realize, "YES! It is me, and yes, I am a mutant, and yes, the Pinks are all doomed and MOST OF ALL, I AM NOT ALONE IN THIS WAY OF THINKING!!!"

If only it were just you. Then They could kill you and move on. But it's the whole society...the whole planet. Everything, everywhere is getting worse. Reality itself is fraying at the edges. The Universe is not what it use to be; something's missing. "The center does not hold," as the Lakota used to say just before what's about to happen to you happened to them.

For this is the Age of the Unravelling...the AGE OF THEM.

No, it's not OK. "Civilization," for all it's fancy trimmings, is still just a rickety shack made by drunk stooges without a blueprint, a shack that will collapse when you least expect it. The foundation is ok but there has been some very sloppy workmanship.

Of course, to a certain extent it's natural for our society always to be screwed up: "if GOD didn't have a sense of humor, there wouldn't be people." But...not this screwed up.

It could so easily have been a PERFECT WORLD. We were supposed to be a shortcut in evolution, the "Catch 23" that would have prevented exactly the predicament we've found ourselves in. But the advancement of our quasi-mongrel semi-Yeti race has been relentlessly impeded through ceaseless persecution and repression by those who profit from senselessness, ignorance and mediocrity.

CONGRATULATIONS, HUMANS! YOU'VE SUCCESSFULLY HALTED YOUR OWN EVOLUTION AND GUARANTEED YOUR OWN DEMISE!

[Sivafae]

"You want to punish them all, to lash out in spectacular vengeance."

Sure Eris had her orginal snub, but why was her golden apple thrown?

[Cain]

"You want to punish them all, to lash out in spectacular vengeance."

Sure Eris had her orginal snub, but why was her golden apple thrown?

She didn't get invited to a party. Just imagine if they had spat in her eye, blown up her luxury villa or poisoned her hot dog...

[Vincent Verthaine]

"You want to punish them all, to lash out in spectacular vengeance."

Sure Eris had her orginal snub, but why was her golden apple thrown?
It was a wedding gift.It was the only way to get it into the banquet hall.Eris made the mistake of thinking the Olympians were intelligent enough to figure out that "To the Prettiest One" meant it was for the BRIDE,and not any of those skanky petty Goddesses.
It is all revealed in The Book of Eris

[Meabh23]

She was PMSing bad. Really bad.

Man and lesbian hating bad.