Does it ever end?

[Shanti]

The never ending list of all wiccan traditions I can find that are presently active. I am trying to include all, acknowledged and controversial traditions.

As I continue my research, I am polishing up my entries.
The ones finished are in bold. The others I am working on.
If anyone finds any errors, please let me know.
If anyone has a tradition I missed, please post it!!

Thanks for anyone who may help and to all who bother to read this ever growing list!


1734 Tradition:
Founded by: Robert Cochrane (real name, Roy Bowers). Magister of the Clan of Tubal Cain.
Date Founded: 1931-1966 ?
Founding Location: London, England
Brief discription:
The roots of the Tradition are British-Celtic, although many of it's followers have become more Celtic-Eclectic through the years.
1734 is a cryptogram for the name of the Goddess honored in this tradition.
The 1734 tradition does not require the use of a common Book of Shadows and there is no official hierarchical structure. It focuses on meditation, chanting, channeling, and visions.
Within the tradition is a set of riddles which when they are deciphered by a member, will then discover the true name of the goddess.

Algard:
Founded by: Mary Nesnick, of N.Y. City, an American who was initiated into both Gardnerian and Alexandrian traditions.
Date founded:1972
Founding Location: N.Y. City,NY.
Brief discription:
It combines elements of both Gardnerian and Alexandrian traditions.
There are very few Algard covens in either the US or Britain as the tradition never really caught on.

Aglaian Triad of Wicca:
Founded by:?
Date founded:1982
Founding Location: Homewood, Illinois
Brief discription:
COG affiliated coven. Always hooded, never skyclad, three degrees initiatory system.
Historical roots are in Richard Clarke's south suburban Calumet Pagan Temple of the 1970s.
An eclectic coven, with rituals which emphasized native American, Celtic, Egyptian, Greek, and other mythological and ritual traditions. The Aglaian tradition emphasizes spontaneity and ease of ritual, and depth of feeling and purpose, over the form of ritual.

Amythystian:
Founded by: Lady Amethyst
Date founded: 1968
Founding Location:?
Brief discription:
Tradition is rooted in the Order of the Garter, Order of the Royal Oak. Traditional with lots of Hermetic beliefs.
Believes in a strict code of ethics exemplified by one's actions and lives by the Wiccan Rede.

Alexandrian Tradition:
Founded by: Alex Sanders with his then wife Maxine
Date founded: 1960's
Founding Location: England
Brief discription:
The Tradition is named after the ancient library of Alexandria.
A heretical form of Wicca.
As compared to Gardnerian Wicca, Alexandrian Wicca is "somewhat more eclectic and liberal. Some of Gardnerisms strict rules, such as the requirement of ritual nudity, have been made optional by Alexandrian Wicca.
The tradition places more emphasis on traditional magick and kabbalah than many modern varieties.

Assembly of the Sacred Wheel tradition:
Founded by: Keepers of the Holly Chalice coven
Date founded: 1984.
Founding Location: Delaware
Brief discription:
The form of Wicca that the Assembly practices is syncretic and draws inspiration from Astrology, Qabala, the Western Magickal Tradition and the folk religions of Europe. The structure of the Assembly is based on the 12 houses of the Zodiac, with member covens (and solitaries) fitting within each house.

ATC (Aquarian Tabernacle Church):
An American Tradition of Wicca based on English Traditional Wicca, and focused on service to the larger Wiccan and Pagan community through open worship gatherings. ATC was founded in 1979 by Pierre "Pete Pathfinder" Davis.

Black Forest Clan:
Founded by: Silver RavenWolf
Date founded: 199?
Founding Location: South Central Pennsylvania.
Brief discription:
Black Forest Clan is a dual Tradition. Part of its teachings are Celtic Witchcraft, and part are Germanic Witchcraft. Also considered Euro-Wiccan, drawing from Silver's German heritage and Pow-Wow training.
A three-degree, four-tier system of Wicca-based training.

Blue Star Wicca:
Founded in 1976 Norristown, PA by Frank Dufner and Tzipora Katz, who later moved to Manhattan, where they trained and initiated a number of people. Early rituals were based on Alexandrian and Greco-Roman Traditions.

British Wicca:
The term "British Traditional" refers to a variety of traditions which originated in the British Isles. A mix of Celtic and Gardenarian beliefs. British Traditionals move mostly from within the Farrar studies.

Caledonii:
Formally known as the Hecatine Tradition, this denomination of the Craft is Scottish in origin.

Celtic Wicca:
The use of a Celtic/Druidic pantheon mixed with a little ritual Gardnerian, and heavily stressing the elements, nature and the Ancient Ones.

Ceremonial Wicca:
Uses a great deal of Ceremonial Magick in practices. Mostly derived from the works of Aleister Crowley. Detailed rituals with a flavor of Egyptian magick are popular, as Qabalistic ritual forms.

Christian Wicca:
All gods are one gods whatever their names. (thats the best way I can find to put it with all the controversy on the topic.)

Correllian Wicca:
The Correllian Nativist Tradition is based upon the teachings of members of the High-Correll family. The High-Correll family were descended from a line of Cherokee Didanvwisgi who intermarried with a line of Scottish Traditional Witches, whose descendants were further influenced by Aradian Witchcraft and by the Spiritualist Church.

Dianic:
Their prime focus is on the Goddess.

Draconic/Dragon Wicca:
Wicca with dragon flare.

Druidic Wicca:
is an eclectic tradition, drawing its beliefs and practices from a variety of sources. These include elements of the Druid paths, as well as Irish, Celtic, and Gardnerian beliefs.

Eclectic Wicca:
Basically, it indicates that the individual does not follow any particular Tradition, demonimation, sect, or magickal practice.

Faery Wicca:
any type of Wiccan beliefs system that focuses on the Fae.

Gardnerian Wicca:
Organized by Gerald Gardner in England in 1951.

Georgian Wicca:
Founded by George 'Pat' Patterson in 1970, and was given legal status by the Universal Life Church in the early seventies as the Church of Wicca of Bakersfield.

Kemetic/Osirian Wicca or Egyptian Wicca: is the adaptation of Gardnerian Wicca of the pantheon of Egyptian gods and goddesses.

Kingstone:
Coven based initiatory tradition with a focus on agricultural or pastoral deities, Goddess and consort - Horned God.

Living Tapestry tradition:
Each group within this tradition is called a Thread, which symbolizes their close-knit connection with each other. There are currently 7 covens, spread over several US states.

Lycian:
It was established in 1989 by Boniface. He went through a series of astral initiations over a period of years, culminating in finally being initiated and accepted by the "Wolf Clans" in 1985.

Nordic/Teutonic:
This comes from ancient times; the Teutons have been recognized as a group who speak the Germanic group of languages. These languages include: English, German, Dutch, Afrikaans, Flemish, Frisian, the Scandinavian languages, and Gothic. Norse practitioners are often Astruar that is, followers of Asatru. Many worship similar to their Norse predecessors, following Scandinavian and Germanic deities such as Odin, and using divination methods like the runes.

Mohsian or MOHS:
began around 1965 in Los Angeles, now also near Sacramento, called American Tradition or Eclectic American Tradition around 1969, then around 1974 began using MOHSIAN term. Many influences, including 1734andGardneriantrads and European Shamanism.

Minoan tradition:
Edmund M. "Eddie" Buczynski (Minos Gwydion-Hyakinthos) combined the wisdom garnered from his years as an elder in various Witchcraft Traditions with his research on the ancient civilizations of the Mediterranean to found the Minoan Brotherhood in 1977. The Minoan Brotherhood was conceived to celebrate the male mysteries and, in particular, to create a safe and sacred place for gay and bisexual men to work Witchcraft. Within months of the Brotherhood's founding, a small group of priestesses in the Wica Tradition began working with the materials devised by Eddie, Lady Rhea, and Lady Miw-Sekhmet to form the Minoan Sisterhood. With the creation of the Minoan Sisterhood, the Minoan Tradition came into being as a fully formed Tradition that embraces both men's and women's Mysteries.

Odyssean Wicca:
The Odyssean Tradition of Wicca was founded by Richard and Tamara James in 1979, along with other members of their coven. The name of the tradition was inspired by Homer's Odyssey, and is meant to emphasize a belief in life as a "spiritual journey".

Pictish Wicca:
Often, but not always a solitary path that focuses on the divine in nature.

Scotican Wicca:
This appears to be a relatively newer Wiccan tradition, perhaps developing sometime around 1998 or before??? The tradition seems to blend Pecti-Wita with Kitchen Witchery and Ceremonial Wicca. Pronounced sko-shuh-kun.

Seax-Wica:
Founded by Raymond Buckland in 1973, and based on Saxon traditions and mythology.

Shakti Wicca:
seeks to make a synergistic combination of the Hindu and Wiccan spiritualities

Wiccan Shamanism:
Founded by Selena Fox in the 1980's. Ecumenical and multicultural focus. Combination of Wicca, humanistic psychology and a variety of shamanistic practices from around the world. Emphasis on healing. Uses traditional shamanistic techniques to change consciousness, such as drumming and ecstatic dancing.

Starkindler Tradition:
Been around since about 1974, Coven based, either a three or five degree initiatory system?

Stregheria:
is the Craft of the Italian Witches. It's an ancient system, steeped with history that dates back to at least the 14th century.

Sylvan tradition:
founded in the 1970’s in Northern California and incorporates some of the working practices of the Feri Wicca tradition formed by Victor and Cora Anderson.

Welsh:
A Welsh/Celtic Tradition of Wicca, worshipping a Welsh Pantheon of Gods and Goddesses.

Welsh Rite Gwyddonaid:
A Welsh/Celtic Tradition of Wicca, worshipping a Welsh Pantheon of Gods and Goddesses. Gwyddonaid, roughly translated from Welsh means "Tree Witch".

Winge-It Tradition:
founded by Lady Angel Wings

Witta:
is a tradition born out of America during the mid-twentieth century and is based on Celtic Irish Paganism.

ZWS or ZvS Tradition:
The name is based on the truth rune, and it is a very nature oriented path. Practiced individually and collectively, a main difference is that no Book of Shadows is kept by the Covens or Solitaries. It is felt that truth can be found in nature and cannot be kept in a book.


If my spelling is off....Its because I am to tired to give a hoot right now!! :viking:

Edit: I'm back at it again!! I'll add as more are discovered! :)

[RedRaven]

my comments: its a very nice list. there are far too many traditions to ever write a description for them all. There is a book out there, "which witch is which" that is all about the different traditions. I personally would remove the "christian wicca" from the list, I dont recognize them as Wiccans. As for the 1734 tradion, I stumbled across the English Qabalah at thelemicgoldendawn.com where each letter of the english alaphabet represents a number. when you add up the Wiccan Rede, "An it harm none, do what ye Will" the value comes out to 1734 :)

RR

[Shanti]

my comments: its a very nice list. there are far too many traditions to ever write a description for them all. There is a book out there, "which witch is which" that is all about the different traditions. I personally would remove the "christian wicca" from the list, I dont recognize them as Wiccans. As for the 1734 tradion, I stumbled across the English Qabalah at thelemicgoldendawn.com where each letter of the english alaphabet represents a number. when you add up the Wiccan Rede, "An it harm none, do what ye Will" the value comes out to 1734 :)

RR
I am trying to find as many as i can...on the net. I dont need to spend money on books right now. I just dont have the spare cash. But thank you for the info.

As for the Christian Wicca...I did say I was searching for even the controversal ones!!

I personally have no prob understanding the Christian aspect!

Heck I am not wiccan nor Christian and I find acceptance of those who follow both to be quite easy. Following your heart is much better than following the crowd! But thats the way I look at life in the spiritual aspects. :)

I found the 1734 very interesting. I plan to read more about it when I aint so gosh tired!! LOL I had never heard of it before I started this search.

[gidur23]

i never heard of most of them

it sounds as tho i woulb be eclectic tho now

[Elderbush]

You've missed some. Happy looking.:)

[Siqoni]

Good job, makes it easier for me.
Ahh, just kidding. xD
Anyways, It probably won't end, since the religion is fairly new, people are going to be able to come up with new traditions like... all the time.
Your doing a good job, maybe you should take a small break, I need one to study my school stuffems.

[IvyWitch]

my comments: its a very nice list. there are far too many traditions to ever write a description for them all. There is a book out there, "which witch is which" that is all about the different traditions. I personally would remove the "christian wicca" from the list, I dont recognize them as Wiccans. As for the 1734 tradion, I stumbled across the English Qabalah at thelemicgoldendawn.com where each letter of the english alaphabet represents a number. when you add up the Wiccan Rede, "An it harm none, do what ye Will" the value comes out to 1734 :)

RR

Just becuse you don't recognise them as "real wicans" (TM), doesn't mean they aren't. Fortunately, the Gods decide who is and who isn't a real (insert religion/something else here) and not us.
If someone is loking to create a complete list, that includes the controversial ones.
And, I think it's a very good list.

[Shanti]

You've missed some. Happy looking.:)

I suppose you wouldnt want to be so kind as stating which ones you are aware of that I havent found?

It would be really nice to get some help.
I would appreciate any help in this undertaking.

[Shanti]

Thank you all for the compliments. I am seriously trying to find all present traditions, no matter what status of controversy they are in. :)

And as new ones spring up, I plan to add them as time goes on, but for now...
I am interested in what is there today! :)

[Shanti]

As I continue my research, I am polishing up my entries.
The ones finished are in bold. The others I am working on.
If anyone finds any errors, please let me know.
If anyone has a tradition I missed, please post it!!

Thanks for anyone who may help and to all who bother to read this ever growing list! :)

[Elderbush]

The Discordians and UEW are two more groups. If you do an internet search, the problem will be that many of the groups have disappeared or reformed under other names.

[Shanti]

The Discordians and UEW are two more groups. If you do an internet search, the problem will be that many of the groups have disappeared or reformed under other names.

Thank you, thank you!!! Time to learn more!!! Thank you!!! :boing::boing::boing:
I will search it till theres nothing left to search!! LOL..I'm gonna give it my best shot!!

[Jenett]

Can I ask a question? What about all the local traditions out there - trads that grow out of a specific group or community. You can find a bunch of them by browsing through the group entries on Witchvox, and I know of a number of others (in the Midwest, where I live) which aren't necessarily going to show up there.

These traditions really aren't terribly relevant to people in other geographic areas. And the amount of meaningful detail you can find about them, even if the group has a webpage, is pretty minimal.

So, why try to have a complete list? It'd have to be probably thousands of entries long - with no easy way to pull out the meaningful information for you. (or anyone else, for that matter.)

If you're looking for information to figure out which kinds of groups you might be most interested in, or what groups are in your area, or what kinds of variations there are in doing a specific action, there are other - and much more efficient, giving more meaningful/useful answers - than a short listing is going to do.

So, my question is, what's your goal? Why the list?

There are also people who are suspicious of this kind of information gathering: it has been used in the past in ways that ended up hurting/outing/etc. the people who contributed personal information to it, so some people get pretty cautious about it.

I think you're just excited and enthusiastic (and that's good!) but if you're going to invest lots of time in smething, it's a really good idea to figure out whether that's the best use of your time.

[Shanti]

Can I answer you one at a time? LOL :)
Can I ask a question? What about all the local traditions out there - trads that grow out of a specific group or community. You can find a bunch of them by browsing through the group entries on Witchvox, and I know of a number of others (in the Midwest, where I live) which aren't necessarily going to show up there.
These traditions really aren't terribly relevant to people in other geographic areas. And the amount of meaningful detail you can find about them, even if the group has a webpage, is pretty minimal.
I know there are thousands if you look at every little one out there. I am just trying to find ones that have enough of basic info as the ones in bold have. I already came across a lot of websites that offered too little info to place here so I skipped them. I'm just trying to make the best diverse list I can. To show that there are many different styles, ways, beliefs, all based on one prospect, wicca.
Its, to me, a painting of wiccan thoughts and practices over the lines of tradition. Many colors from and for many different people.
One of the beautiful things about faith systems is change, growth, and finding your own way. Wicca is as beautiful as all others in its many colors of style.

So, why try to have a complete list? It'd have to be probably thousands of entries long - with no easy way to pull out the meaningful information for you. (or anyone else, for that matter.) I am not going for actually complete, just shooting for as complete as I can make it to show the multitude of diversity. The beauty of the colors.

If you're looking for information to figure out which kinds of groups you might be most interested in, or what groups are in your area, or what kinds of variations there are in doing a specific action, there are other - and much more efficient, giving more meaningful/useful answers - than a short listing is going to do. Ok...this is good. I am not interested in wicca at all. :)

So, my question is, what's your goal? Why the list? Actually its a job, unpaid and voluntary!! I am doing it for a website that is being built by me and some others. Its going to be quite a large site and offers info on many topics. Wicca is one of very many!!

Wait the next job...world religions and philosophies!! :) That will be a time killer for sure!! LOL

There are also people who are suspicious of this kind of information gathering: it has been used in the past in ways that ended up hurting/outing/etc. the people who contributed personal information to it, so some people get pretty cautious about it. No not with me....I accept all peoples as long as they dont encourage hurting others. This info gathering is for the benefit of all. The site is paid for out of our pockets to share as much as we can with all people.

I think you're just excited and enthusiastic (and that's good!) but if you're going to invest lots of time in something, it's a really good idea to figure out whether that's the best use of your time. The purpose to share is a very good reason for me to invest as much time as I can!! And thats what I am doing!! To build a site of sharing...its a dream for me. A dream, with the help of some great people, that is slowly coming true. And hopefully it will be done within a year!!:boing:


Did I answer your questions ok?

And thats why I have this posted on MW. If I make a mistake, get dates wrong or something, heck I dont want to give wrong info!!
I also dont want to miss something that is more common than I realize!! I have a job to do and I want to do my best! :)

[IvyWitch]

There's also the Dragon Tradition.

[Shanti]

There's also the Dragon Tradition.

I have that one!! For a minute I was stumped cause i rememebered reading on that one. I dont have it done but I caught that one!!
Draconic Wicca:
Wicca with dragon flare.

But thanks to your insight I will alter it for clairity!! :boing::boing::boing:

[Shanti]

Ok got the dragon altered!! Thank you IvyWitch for making note that showed lack of clairity on my part!!! :) Good stuff!!

[Sage Rainsong]

Hey Shanti! thats quite a task that you have going for yourself. I was also interested in the 1734 tradition until I read that they don't believe that homosexual couples can generate "power" anyhoo, many people think of dianic wicca as the Goddess centered ones there are actually 2 types of Dianics. One is the most commonly known as the feminist Dianic trad, refering to thoes traditions started by Z budapest. The other are the Mcfarland Dianics. I also heard of a style of wicca called Elijan wicca but I think its a form of christian wicca which you did put up. Oh there is also the Cabot tradion of wicca started by the in/famous Lori Cabot. Hmm let me see if I can think of any more.......Green wicca/witchcraft mean wicca with a focus on plant and forest energies; but that could be more of a style rather than a tradition Good luck on your list Shanti!

[Vincent Verthaine]

The Discordians and UEW are two more groups. If you do an internet search, the problem will be that many of the groups have disappeared or reformed under other names.

A lot of discordians have a real big problem with discordianism being listed as a wiccan tradition.
Including me.
Wiccans do not run paganism,do not own paganism,does not dictate what pagans should believe and paganism itself is not a "wiccan" trad.

If a discordian declares themselves wiccan,thats up to them.
I personally don't have a problem with that.
But I've been running into to many wiccan websites that seem to list every path as "Wiccan".

No one asked us if we even wanted to be considered a wiccan trad.

[Cain]

Agreed there. Wicca = http://www.answers.com/topic/wicca compared with http://www.answers.com/topic/discordianism

The only way in which the two can be considered similar is in use of a pre-Christian female goddess.

[Amber Wynd]

Agreed there. Wicca = http://www.answers.com/topic/wicca compared with http://www.answers.com/topic/discordianism

The only way in which the two can be considered similar is in use of a pre-Christian female goddess.
That's a good illustration of the difference between Wiccan and Discordianism, Cain. Although I am a witch, the Wiccans I know do not accept me as one of their number, and for good reason. We have a lot in common, but when it comes down to it, our belief systems are very different. One big point of difference is that Wiccans recognize both male and female deities, while we stick with just the female.

Organized religion scares the crap out of me, (it's one of my many phobias) and Wicca is highly organized and ritualized. This is lovely for people who feel comfortable in such a system. I'm drawn to Discordianism largely because it's highly unorganized - same with solitary witchcraft.

Also, I'd say that at least half the Discordians I know don't consider Eris to be an actual goddess, but instead, think of her as an archetype or personfication of certain qualities. And lots more don't even believe in magic or witchcraft and love to tease those of us who do. That's one reason I'm hanging over here with you all - I got tired of being teased by my fellow discordians whenever I talk about magical stuff.

[Shanti]

Hey Shanti! thats quite a task that you have going for yourself. I was also interested in the 1734 tradition until I read that they don't believe that homosexual couples can generate "power" anyhoo, many people think of dianic wicca as the Goddess centered ones there are actually 2 types of Dianics. One is the most commonly known as the feminist Dianic trad, refering to thoes traditions started by Z budapest. The other are the Mcfarland Dianics. I also heard of a style of wicca called Elijan wicca but I think its a form of christian wicca which you did put up. Oh there is also the Cabot tradion of wicca started by the in/famous Lori Cabot. Hmm let me see if I can think of any more.......Green wicca/witchcraft mean wicca with a focus on plant and forest energies; but that could be more of a style rather than a tradition Good luck on your list Shanti!

Thank you for the info!!
I'll look into the suggestions!!
I appriciate it a lot!

[Shanti]

A lot of discordians have a real big problem with discordianism being listed as a wiccan tradition.
Including me.
Wiccans do not run paganism,do not own paganism,does not dictate what pagans should believe and paganism itself is not a "wiccan" trad.

If a discordian declares themselves wiccan,thats up to them.
I personally don't have a problem with that.
But I've been running into to many wiccan websites that seem to list every path as "Wiccan".

No one asked us if we even wanted to be considered a wiccan trad.

But even though some disagree, some feel the opposite. I am not building a wiccan website. The site is a site of the beauty of diversity.


I am researching...possible trads...if its a trad to you, thats up to you to decide.

This is being done for the reason to show that there are many...many..many...differant views and ideas of wiccan ways.

Its not a question of who agrees with what..its a question of...how many differant ideas, ways and what not are out there!
This is meant to open the idea that there is more than one way to do things, many opttions to explore..many differant people with many differant views.

[Amber Wynd]

But even though some disagree, some feel the opposite. I am not building a wiccan website. The site is a site of the beauty of diversity.


I am researching...possible trads...if its a trad to you, thats up to you to decide.

This is being done for the reason to show that there are many...many..many...differant views and ideas of wiccan ways.
Its not a question of who agrees with what..its a question of...how many differant ideas, ways and what not are out there!
This is meant to open the idea that there is more than one way to do things, many opttions to explore..many differant people with many differant views.
I understand what you're saying and I think it's a great idea to build a site to demonstrate the diversity of the many Wiccan ways out there. But I'm not sure you understand what we're saying. I don't know any Discordians who would agree that we are a Wiccan tradition. Not one. Individual Discordians may consider themselves to be Wiccan and Discordian, or Bhuddist and Discordian, or Christian and Discordian. But it's just as inaccurate to list Discordianism as a Wiccan tradition as it would be list it as a Christian sect. It's a not question of who agrees with what - you're right about that. But I'm sure you will agree that it's important to respect what the followers of each particular path have to say. We're saying that we are not a Wiccan tradition.

[Shanti]

Wait a minute!!!!!

I have been doing a lot of work and so I miss stuff!!

Where on earth do I have discordian on my list?

It was suggested in a post, I said I would check into it..which I havent had time yet!!! And thats it!!

How about disagreeing after its in the list, if I even put it in there!!!!

I will only put it in there if I find a trad that has at least a decent following of members!! If there is no trad out there I wont be adding it!!!

So lets not worry about something that isnt even there yet!

[Shanti]

As for saying 'we' disagree with anything..that dont work. Saying that 'I' disagree, works. No one can speak for all the people in the world!

If there is an active trad out there with a following thats at least past the 100 mark, and I find it..its on the list! Cause it exsist for those who follow it!

[Shanti]

I am putting trads in the list that I can fill info in at least two of these palces..
Founded by:
Date founded:
Founding Location:

If I cant fill in at least 2 of those info spots the trad doesnt go up!
I did a google and have a feeling discordian aint going up because I see nothing that has what I need to even bother with it!!

It has to be a 'founded' trad. So dont worry..I am not letting joe blow with his cracker site be added as a trad!

[Amber Wynd]

Wait a minute!!!!!

I have been doing a lot of work and so I miss stuff!!

Where on earth do I have discordian on my list?

It was suggested in a post, I said I would check into it..which I havent had time yet!!! And thats it!!

How about disagreeing after its in the list, if I even put it in there!!!!

I will only put it in there if I find a trad that has at least a decent following of members!! If there is no trad out there I wont be adding it!!!

So lets not worry about something that isnt even there yet!
Okay. I thought I was helping you check into it so you could decided whether or not to add it to your list.

[eldora_avalon]

The never ending list of all wiccan traditions I can find that are presently active. I am trying to include all, acknowledged and controversial traditions.

Edit: I'm back at it again!! I'll add as more are discovered! :)
But even though some disagree, some feel the opposite. I am not building a wiccan website. The site is a site of the beauty of diversity.


I am researching...possible trads...if its a trad to you, thats up to you to decide.

This is being done for the reason to show that there are many...many..many...differant views and ideas of wiccan ways.

Its not a question of who agrees with what..its a question of...how many differant ideas, ways and what not are out there!
This is meant to open the idea that there is more than one way to do things, many opttions to explore..many differant people with many differant views.

edit: I was cooking dinner while I posted this so I missed a few posts, sorry

I compared these two posts from you in this thread. You seem confused about whether or not you are looking for Wiccan traditions or something else.

As far as I know the people who are responding to you in this thread are the most active Discordians/Erisians in the world. We are not a Wiccan tradition, though some of us may identify ourselves as Wiccans. When it comes to magic I am a cross between a Kitchen Witch and a Chaos Mathemagician. When it comes to religion/philosophy, I am Erisian/Discordian.

You see, that is the second problem here, not only do we have the fact that not all Discordians/Erisians consider themselves Wiccans, not all of them consider it to be a religion or tradition. Some accept it as a philosophy, some as something else. We Discordians stick apart, but when it comes to confusion about who and/or what we are, we stick together.

How would you like it if someone started a website of Christian religions and included Wiccan traditions in it. If nothing else, you need to be more clear about you mean. I think your heart is in the right place, but you have to be clear when you create a list of stuff and put it on the web.

edit: I was cooking dinner while I posted this so I missed a few posts, sorry

[Shanti]

edit: I was cooking dinner while I posted this so I missed a few posts, sorry

I compared these two posts from you in this thread. You seem confused about whether or not you are looking for Wiccan traditions or something else.

As far as I know the people who are responding to you in this thread are the most active Discordians/Erisians in the world. We are not a Wiccan tradition, though some of us may identify ourselves as Wiccans. When it comes to magic I am a cross between a Kitchen Witch and a Chaos Mathemagician. When it comes to religion/philosophy, I am Erisian/Discordian.

You see, that is the second problem here, not only do we have the fact that not all Discordians/Erisians consider themselves Wiccans, not all of them consider it to be a religion or tradition. Some accept it as a philosophy, some as something else. We Discordians stick apart, but when it comes to confusion about who and/or what we are, we stick together.

How would you like it if someone started a website of Christian religions and included Wiccan traditions in it. If nothing else, you need to be more clear about you mean. I think your heart is in the right place, but you have to be clear when you create a list of stuff and put it on the web.

edit: I was cooking dinner while I posted this so I missed a few posts, sorry
If someone started a site on Christian religions and put christian wicca as one so what? ther are Christian wiccans out there, a lot of them! They are Christian and wiccan. No prob.

I hope this isnt so complex when I research world religions and philosophies!! LOL

I say I am looking for possible trads..meaning.....
some people, even though its a founded trad may still feel that its not a trad.

If you read my recent post maybe you will understand better. :)

If there is an active trad out there with a following thats at least past the 100 mark, and I find it..its on the list! Cause it exsist for those who follow it! I am putting trads in the list that I can fill info in at least two of these palces..
Founded by:
Date founded:
Founding Location:

If I cant fill in at least 2 of those info spots the trad doesnt go up!
I did a google and have a feeling discordian aint going up because I see nothing that has what I need to even bother with it!!

It has to be a 'founded' trad. So dont worry..I am not letting joe blow with his cracker site be added as a trad!

[Amber Wynd]

If someone started a site on Christian religions and put christian wicca as one so what? ther are Christian wiccans out there, a lot of them! They are Christian and wiccan. No prob.

I hope this isnt so complex when I research world religions and philosophies!! LOL

I say I am looking for possible trads..meaning.....
some people, even though its a founded trad may still feel that its not a trad.

If you read my recent post maybe you will understand better. :)
Okay, now I've read that post again. Here ya go.

Discordianism
Founded by: Greg Hill and Kerry Thornley
Founding Date: 1959
Location: An all night bowling alley in Whittier California

But anyway, I've changed me mind. :) Your reasoning makes no sense to me and that's highly appropriate given the nature of what we're discussing. I think you should totally add Discordianism to your list.

[Shanti]

Okay, now I've read that post again. Here ya go.

Discordianism
Founded by: Greg Hill and Kerry Thornley
Founding Date: 1959
Location: An all night bowling alley in Whittier California

But anyway, I've changed me mind. :) Your reasoning makes no sense to me and that's highly appropriate given the nature of what we're discussing. I think you should totally add Discordianism to your list.
Hey are they still at that bowling alley? LOL

I read about what you have and they didn't organize a 'wiccan' trad, just a discordian tradition. I am trying very hard to be sure that only founded, active, "wiccan trads' are added thats why its a lot of work!!

And thank you for the chuckle I got from this post of yours.. This is really stressful work as there is a lot of trash to search through!!! There are tons of joe blows out there that really get in the way!! LOL

You lightheartedness is welcomed in such a complex task!!

Unless you have something that shows an active discordian wiccan trad? :awilly:

[Amber Wynd]

Hey are they still at that bowling alley? LOL

I read about what you have and they didnt organize a 'wiccan' trad, just is discordian traditon. I am trying very hard to be sure that only founded, active, "wiccan trads' are added thats why its a lot of work!!

And thank you for the chuckle I got from this post of yours.. This is really stressful work as there is a lot of trash to search through!!! There are tons of joe blows out there that really get in the way!! LOL

You lightheartedness is welcomed in such a complex task!!

Unless you have something that shows an active discordian wiccan trad? :awilly:
No, they aren't. :ggrief: However, "in honor of this Incredible Event, this Holy Place is revered as a Shrine by all Erisians. Once every five years, the Golden Apple Corps plans a Pilgrimage to Brunswick Shrine as an act of Devotion, and therein to partake of No Hot Dog Buns, and ruminate a bit about It All.

It is written that when The Corps returns to The Shrine for the fifth time five times over, than shall the world come to an end."

I'm sure it's very stressful taking on such a huge task and I didn't mean to add to your stress, so I'm happy to make you smile a little bit. And sadly, all I have to show is evidence that Discordianism is not a Wiccan trad. I guess we won't make your list after all. But I wish you Goddess speed in your work.

[Shanti]

No, they aren't. :ggrief: However, "in honor of this Incredible Event, this Holy Place is revered as a Shrine by all Erisians. Once every five years, the Golden Apple Corps plans a Pilgrimage to Brunswick Shrine as an act of Devotion, and therein to partake of No Hot Dog Buns, and ruminate a bit about It All.

It is written that when The Corps returns to The Shrine for the fifth time five times over, than shall the world come to an end."

I'm sure it's very stressful taking on such a huge task and I didn't mean to add to your stress, so I'm happy to make you smile a little bit. And sadly, all I have to show is evidence that Discordianism is not a Wiccan trad. I guess we won't make your list after all. But I wish you Goddess speed in your work.

Thanks...and I'm sorry if my stress shined through.
I am trying to be as actuate and careful as possible. I look at it this way, if its this hard for me to get a view of what is out there concerning this type of info...how can someone who doesnt have the time or perhaps the know how going to find it? I have seen so many people that think there is only 3 or 4 ways people do things because thats whats easily found.
Then they go about their life unaware that there are many differant views on the topic. Everyone should be able to find out how much is out there, easily, because that also shows how unique we all are. No one is bound to a few choices and everyone can go as far as they want on there own. Many just need to know that. :) I want to show that..open doors for people.

[Amber Wynd]

Don't give it a second thought. I like a good debate. And I think it's cool that you're trying to open doors for people instead of close them.

[eldora_avalon]

Okay, now I've read that post again. Here ya go.

Discordianism
Founded by: Greg Hill and Kerry Thornley
Founding Date: 1959
Location: An all night bowling alley in Whittier California

But anyway, I've changed me mind. :) Your reasoning makes no sense to me and that's highly appropriate given the nature of what we're discussing. I think you should totally add Discordianism to your list.
It gets better, according to Margot Adler, in Drawing Down the Moon it was either 57 or 58 and Hill and Thornley never agreed on which it was.

(ps, glad it's not just me, Amber :wave: )

[Little Billy]

The Discordians and UEW are two more groups. If you do an internet search, the problem will be that many of the groups have disappeared or reformed under other names.

Discordians are Wiccans?

Naw.

[Sage Rainsong]

Oh I though of another one that is absolutely full of controversy. Gavin and Yvonne Frosts' church and school of wicca.

[Jenett]

** I am trying to be as actuate and careful as possible. I look at it this way, if its this hard for me to get a view of what is out there concerning this type of info...how can someone who doesnt have the time or perhaps the know how going to find it? I have seen so many people that think there is only 3 or 4 ways people do things because thats whats easily found. **

Thing is, at least for me, a simple listing doesn't do much of that. Two groups may describe themselves in similar ways (i.e. structured, focus on deities from the same pantheon, etc.) and still have very different approaches.

When I'm encouraging people to be open to what's out there, I usually point them at Witchvox's tradition essays (http://www.witchvox.com/_x.html?c=trads) which take enough space to give some general information about what's going on. Or at several different books of interviews, which give a good idea of some of the kinds of variety.

The focus on numbers and dates also ... well, it's not where I'd want to focus. It's not the most meaningful information about the tradition, for one. Many traditions are small, even relatively well known ones. It also doesn't give an idea of the durability of the tradition.

Witchvox asks for traditions that have made it through multiple generations - i.e. 2 or 3 times where someone has been trained fully in the tradition, and gone on to train others fully. Focusing on numbers might mean you get someone who gets lots of people interested, but very few who've made it through the full scope of the tradition. Different picture. (Also, more complicated to count: do you count everyone who's reached a minimal level of training or uses that term to identify themselves?)

It also doesn't give a very realistic picture. I live in the Twin Cities, Minnesota. We've got a very active Pagan community. Some of that is groups from well known trads (mostly Gardnerinan and Blue Star). Some is people with varying levels of connection to the Reclaiming community.

But we've also got a number of trads which are small and local. And that do good work, and teach good students, and add things to the community. They're a bit harder to evaluate in some ways than the really well-known ones. (Because there isn't general information out there), but that doesn't mean they're not functional and valid.

More to the point, if someone's looking for options in their area, they may want to take those into consideration. Well known trads that just don't have a presence here won't help them much, if they want in-person interaction without lots of travel.

When I'm working with Seekers (which I've done a lot over the last 2 years), I really encourage them to start with what's accessible to them - not focus on what's a known name, or shows up on lists, or whatever. The right group is the right group for lots of other reasons than date or number of people involved.

[Elderbush]

Discordians are Wiccans?

Naw.

Some are.:)

[Little Billy]

Some are.:)


No argument there. But to call Discordianism a form of Wicca is grossly inaccurate.

Some Discordians are Wiccan, but that is incidental. Besides, if you went to a Wiccan Coven meeting(tm), and acted like a Discordian, you'd be lucky to escape with all of your teeth.

LB,
Knows how mean those Wiccans can get, when not taken seriously.

[Elderbush]

Yes you are right, and I was just going back to edit my post. Some Wiccans are Discordians and some Discordians flavor their relgion with Wicca. I was wrong and I don't think it would fair to list it with Wicca.

[Dawa Lhamo]

Knows how mean those Wiccans can get, when not taken seriously.Actually, there's a fair amount of silliness that goes on at my circles. ^_^ IMHO, levity is necessary to any religious tradition, even ones with "pomp and circumstance". ^_^ I learned long ago that people are going to laugh at me, so I might as well beat them to the punch.

Just sayin'....

But we've also got a number of trads which are small and local. And that do good work, and teach good students, and add things to the community. They're a bit harder to evaluate in some ways than the really well-known ones. (Because there isn't general information out there), but that doesn't mean they're not functional and valid.True, true. It's hard to list such traditions for something like this, though, especially when they don't have names. ^_^ Maybe a Miscellaneous Traditions category? I dunno...

Tashi delek!
Dawa Lhamo