how do you spell magic/k?

[Muffin]

with a k or not? why? I have my own opinion on this, I just wanna know what everyone else thinks .

[Lavender]

Sometimes I use one or the other or both. Depends on how lazy I am. I don't differentiate between the two. But I do differentiate between 'illusion' and 'magic/k'.

[Illuminatus]

"bunk"

[Lavender]

bunk?

[Myst]

An excerpt from one of my favourite sites

"‘Myth : Magick’ is spelled with a ‘k’ to distinguish it from stage magic.
Before dictionaries made their appearance with the printing press, words were spelled many ways, and magick was variously spelled with or without a ‘k’. Dictionaries standardized the spelling of ‘magick’ without a ‘k,’ and so it came to be used to refer to stage magic as well as ritual or ceremonial magic. The magician Aleister Crowley introduced the spelling of ‘magick’ with a ‘k’ in the early 1900’s to represent magick whose purpose was the spiritual transformation of the individual (as opposed, for instance, to the casting of spells). This was a Kabbalistic reference to the fact that the 11th sphere on the Tree of Life was the gateway in the Abyss to unbalanced spiritual forces which have to be faced by the initiate on the Path, and ‘k’ is the 11th letter of the alphabet. Like the word ‘Wicca,’ the word ‘magick’ is also widely misused today, and it has now become necessary to use designations such as High Magick and Low Magick to indicate the different types of magick. "

http://www.angelfire.com/nt/dragon9/MYTHS.html

[Xander67]

Magic.(IMO)
is usually used to refer to the stage shows and the stuff you see on TV, (i could be wrong)

Makick......is the practical aspect of it, as in working with natural laws and applying it to your life........(Real Magic)

so I guess there are two ways of spelling it depending on the application and intent.

Please..........NOTE the IMO......;)

[Old Witch]

With a K to distinguish it from stage magic. MHO
;)

[stormyray]

I agree the k separates it from the staged kind

[Illuminatus]

Originally posted by Wildchild
bunk?

Yes I spell it with a "K" so that everyone knows its REAL bunk and not fake bunc.

- Ill

[Myst]

In that case it should be bunck.

Otherwise I know I get confused.

[flar7]

I disagree. no surprise. "k" is for fun spelling. c is for magic.
Since letters are to form and spell words and words represent
thought then it is up to the individual how they interpret things
on a personal level. What ever works for you in other words.

But always remember, the "english" language and grammar is
different from usage(linguistics). In English terms, magick is
misspelled and magic is not.

As an english minor I find the spelling and writing of words
fascinating when compared to usage. Over time, how we use
a word sometimes can and does change spelling.

:boing:

[Illuminatus]

How about Magiq?

Hehe.. the whole idea is silly. "Let's change the spelling of an existing word to give it new meaning." Like Wimmyn. Silly wabbit, the new word just gets a silly feel to it.

[Myst]

I've decided that what we previously called "television" now goes by the term "sheep".

I'd like to say more but my sheep is really entertaining.

I just can't drag myself away from my sheep.

I'm violent because of all the nastiness on my sheep.

[Myst]

Ooh I'm in Illuminatus' spotlight!

Maybe someday you'll see me on your sheep!

[flar7]

television, "sheep", then over time it would end up that way.

we have lost many english words to new terms, just happens over the years. You end up with formal english (essays and
grammar stuff) and coloquial english (the stuff we speak)

sorry, OT :boing:

[Myst]

Hm, maybe if I call Pagans Satan worshippers in a few years they will be!

[seawitch]

i spell it with a c.
my friends know i am not talking about palor tricks, and stage magic.

[StormChaser]

Originally posted by Illuminatus


Yes I spell it with a "K" so that everyone knows its REAL bunk and not fake bunc.

- Ill
*rotflmao*

*wipes a tear away*

Oh cranolies..you're a riot.

[StormChaser]

I spell it with a K because it LOOKS right.

If I had my way color would be spelled colour and heart would just be hart because it just makes sense. I still don't get why phonetic isn't spelled phonetically. fawnetick... fawnetickally.


*ho hum*
I'm a pedantic sort. A wealth of absolutely useless dribble is at my dispense to yammer on about endlessly without purpose in effort to hear myself speak and annoy or tittilate others.

I think I need to let the caffiene wear off..

~Storm Chaser

[Myst]

Colour IS spelled colour.

You should be Canadian, eh!

[flar7]

color or colour is one of those words in transition, either is
recognized as correct spelling. Colour is the old and now formal
version, and color is the "modern" and more accepted term. Over
time colour may drop off totally from the english, but not the french. :D heheh

[Myst]

Actually it is "couleur" in french.

Colour is used by the British and Canadians, as is labour, savour, favour, centre, etc. thus my joke.

[flar7]

just cause I'm an english minor dont mean I can spell! :nyah:

[Pagecrd]

whell, iyd have to say that i wood spell magic with a see becuz i leerned too spell in skool. where thay uze tha dictionaree....just mii opinion

[amberlaine]

I now write "magic" because I'm fairly anti-Aleister Crowly and I'm trying dilligently to remove his influences from my practice and work. No K for me, thanks.

[mol]

It depends on my mood actually. Its a word. We invented every word we have...so what difference does it make which one we use? *sigh*

On the aside...I am very *pro* Crowley. So, I think I will use MagicK exclusively now.

[Lavender]

Originally posted by Illuminatus


Yes I spell it with a "K" so that everyone knows its REAL bunk and not fake bunc.

- Ill

Yes, I understand. It would be a terrible thing to mix up your bunc/k. :lol:

[Illuminatus]

Originally posted by flar7
just cause I'm an english minor dont mean I can spell! :nyah:

Me fail English? That's umpossible!

[Ball-Bhreac Ròn]

:rotfl:


hmmm, with a k, i think, cuz it's more 'olde worlde' if you know what I mean...looks better too. IMVHO. :D

[StormChaser]

Well the American Dictionary was written by Noah Webster, a fairly religious christian who wanted the "Americans" to have their own dialect and determined that words would be spelled more phonetically. My joke was made at the irony of not having changed phonetic to a more phonetic spelling.

I say we all speak welsh *lol* I love watching people try to pronounce welsh names and terms. I've offered such guidance as "whatever letters aren't in the word.. pronounce, what ever is there.. leave out" and "just watch the tv snow after signoff for a few hours each night and soon you will speek welsh fluently"

[Myst]

I've gotten so used to the k that it's reflex, but since I read the info on the site I mentioned I'm trying to go back to no k

[lucidfire]

I always spelled it magick to distinguish it from stage magic. Interesting what you said Myst, I've heard other things similar to it; you're probably right on with that

[Valoe]

Originally posted by flar7
Colour is the old and now formal version, and color is the "modern" and more accepted term. Over time colour may drop off totally from the english, but not the french. :D heheh

Ummm - no, colour may drop off from american but not from english. In english 'colour' is the only correct spelling. I use 'magic' as I see the use of the 'k' as a bit pretentious. Rather like the places in tourist trap villages over here that call themselves 'ye olde tea shoppe' - its an anachronism and not fooling anyone.

[mato]

AAAAHHH I taught I taw a puddy tat!

Ah well I will try again, I spell magik with only the k, because I am weird and I dont do ceremonial magick which is what I call magck with a ck and I dont even like stage magic so I dropped the 'c' again cause I am weird.

I did I did taw a puddy tat!!!
(I could have sworn I posted this before...)

[Myst]

Good point Valoe :)

[Haedis]

I spell it with a 'k'. I got into the habit when talking to people who thought that the only kind of magic/k that exsisted was illusionary. It helped them to understand that it was two seperate things. It doesnt really matter to me what other people think of me and my practices...but i'd perfer to dispell any confusion between the types of magic/k. Hmm i really should find another spelling that is less Crowley-esque. Possibly something like "mahjique". hehe that lends even more mystical allure to it dontcha think?

[Chibi-Fallon]

You know there was a time when spelling wasn't standardized so you could spell anything anyway you wanted. The dictionary dude basically just spelled everything the way he liked it and that was that. If he had put the "k" on we'd all be discussing some other crazy way to spell it. I spell it with a "k" but I don't really think it matters. I mean there is a reason reading comprehension was invented. It's not like we wouldn't be able to figure it out if someone spelled it magic. It's just there to make us feel special and waste ink. It's all a plot by the pen people, they plan to rule the work someday but having us all write and extra "k"!

[Myst]

For people who believe magic is pretend - adding a 'k' probably doesn't change that.. at least in my experience. Maybe I just hang around the wrong kind of non believers :)

[Xander67]

Pretend?

you breathe in a highly falmable gas mixed with pollutants
and your lungs filter the garbage out and allow for it to be converted to carbon dioxide which just happens to let the plants breathe....

nothing pretend about that :D

[Myst]

But is that by most people's definition magick, or science? Do most people consider them one and the same or opposite?

[Xander67]

well, My experience and understanding tell me,
I have much to learn....

Amber K says....Magic must obey the laws of Nature, and when it apears to defy those laws, it is just obeying laws we do not understand yet....

Have you heard of the "Great Pyramid of Gaza Research Association"??? I heard of them last night on a radio talk show...

they were talking about how early egyptian civilization were so advanced, they understood more of Quantum Phisics and natural laws than we have yet to hint at....but i am researching it further it looks interesting...

and to answer you question Myst....hmmmm

I think Twig's signature says it best....
Science is for people who dont understand Magic, (or something like that) :)

[flar7]

any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. and visa versa...

from a very good read.. "the wiz biz"- robin cooke (i think)

[Xander67]

its funny how the further advanced science becomes,
the more they rely on the minds of ppl like einstein,
Edison, Marie Curie, Pythagoris, and a few others...

at the very core...
magic is the art of actively participating in creation and evolution
and makeing our lives better...with a mindfull eye on various cosmic principles and laws.....

science on the other hand,
at the core...
aims to seek out and explore.....to define...to experiment
to cut to the facts....
and what are the topics on the table?
usually, cosmic principles, and natural laws
:D heheh

[Myst]

Psst. Keep in mind, the question was whether most people consider science and magick one and the same, not whether you do. :D

[Xander67]

oh :(

*gets down off the stage and sits in the audience :)

[Ball-Bhreac Ròn]

I thought the question was how do you spell magic/k.........
:D


*ducks off and out of the thread* :p

[Xander67]

It was,

but then another question came up that was
relavant to that original question...

:D

[Ball-Bhreac Ròn]

*ducks back into the thread*

Gotcha ;)

*ducks back out*

[crystal_night]

Yup, I'm up there with everyone that says that the "K" seperates the word from "stage magic" and "illusion". That's how I explain it to everyone who asks me why I spell it with a k. :D

[Myst]

psst just so you know there's no rule against going off topic anymore unless people get too rowdy such that the original thought is completely lost

[Raindancer]

I think its important to differentiate between the two. There are people like James Randi who practice magic ( stage illusion) who say thats all any of it is. I use the K unless I'm talking about stage illusion. But I also think that dictionaries take all the fun out of language. People were more creative with the language before the writers of dictionaries threw chains around the language, and condemned it to languish in the gaol of standardisation and imprisoned its creative expression.

In Shakespeare's time, it wasn't uncommon to see the same word spelled in four or five different ways in the same piece of writing. It wasn't that they were illiterate, and unable to spell, it was that they were showing off how literate they were, and being creative with the language.

When I was a kid in California, I wrote flavor as flavour because I liked it better. My teachers marked me wrong even though I showed them that this was a deliberate act, not one of ignorance. I knew the American spelling, but chose the British one. They just said this was America, not Britain, and that it was wrong. Now that I live in New Zealand, where flavour is flavour, if I spell it flavor, its wrong.

I think language is supposed to be a growing organic living thing, and that dictionaries might make it more efficient, as if that was what it should be about. As I was told in a Linguistics class, the native speaker is always right, and usage changes all the time, there is no real right or wrong way that you can say is permanently "RIGHT" Language changes all the time, and its up to the dictionaries to keep up to fit the language, not the other way around. Personally, I think we should go back to having fun and all with the language, not put it in a straightjacket. Language should be an art, not a science.
BB
Raindancer

[lieve heks]

bunnies out of tophats:magic
my life:magick

[Myst]

how about this?

bunnies out of a hat, sawing people in a half, pulling a coin from behind your ear = ILLUSION
life = magic

[gunner]

"Rather like the places in tourist trap villages over here that call themselves 'ye olde tea shoppe' "

seems to me i once read that the "ye" thing represents an old anglo-saxon dipthong "thorn" that was pronounced as "th" so "ye" would actually be said as "the". perhaps our resident english major could check this out and get back to us?

[GingerBurkley]

I get the feeling when I see it spelled with the "k" that the person who wrote it is Pagan. It's kind of quaint with the k.

[Lavender]

Originally posted by Pagecrd
whell, iyd have to say that i wood spell magic with a see becuz i leerned too spell in skool. where thay uze tha dictionaree....just mii opinion

Heh! It's a good thing that you learnt how to spell 'magic' right. :D

[Lavender]

Originally posted by Myst
how about this?

bunnies out of a hat, sawing people in a half, pulling a coin from behind your ear = ILLUSION
life = magic

I completely agree.

Another question would be does it matter to you if you spell it with a 'ck' or 'c'? As long as you know what you mean by the word 'magic/k'?

[msilvercat]

P.S.

I like the equation provided by Myst - magic equals life

[CoolJ]

i spell it with a K when i want to seperate it from the kind of magic that cuts people in half with large steel blades... um , well you know what I mean...

also i'm very lazy and would just use c since it's shorter...


butt, when Iy am not feeling layzee, Iy will yuz thee speling that is fonetickalee correct... also it luks a lot morr grooooveeee!!!!

[Starlight]

I use the K when I'm writing about pagan and such but other than that I don't use it cause my English teacher gets mad at me! :D

[Illuminatus]

"Bunq"

[shnen]

I'm just like everyone else... so I won't repeat it! :D

[Earthcup]

Colour, favourite, theatre.... ;) Britishy spellings I like!

I spell it magic because that's how the word is spelled nowadays. If I have to distinguish between the two I'll also end up explaining why I distinguish between the two and then probably have to go on to explain modern Paganism as well.... So spelling it magic makes my life easier and it's the way I think of the word. Not to mention Harry Potter spells it that way!!!! :T

If the K makes it special then I think Penn & Teller deserve the K. What they do is much cooler than anything I've ever done!

*the above is my own personal private opinion and is not to be confused with anyone else's personal private opinion. :D*

[Earthcup]

How about calling the "Dark Arts" Mage Ick? :evilway:

[BlueFaerieRose]

Blessed Be!
Where did that one come from? But, no.

To me it's spelled magick. It has has been and always shall be. I believe that the "k" is added to distimuish the difference betwee the illusion of magic (David Copperfield) and the real force of magick. f you go to a search engine and type in agic, yes the "magick" sites come up but so do the "magic" pull rabbit out of that-I can-get-out-of-a-straight-jacket-while-my-car-is-burning type. Have we gotten that across yet, well why do people spell it MAGIC?
~ Meg

[Xander67]

OH OH OH gimme gimme gimme link,

me want to know how to get outta this straight jacket arrr grrrr arrrrffff

:D that is too good

[BlueFaerieRose]

try like Lycos or Google. Definitely google. They've got everything sooner or later.
~ Meg

[Xander67]

heheh :) I was just kidding ya

[BlueFaerieRose]

oh lol.
~ Meg

[Myst]

Why don't you actually read the thread, then maybe you'll see why some (ie. Me for one) spell it magiC without a "k"?

Believe me it isn't because of ignorance or stupidity.

The only reason you find both if you search for magic is because the search engine uses the text you typed. Since magic is in magick logically it's going to bring up both, whereas since magick isn't in magic typing magick won't bring up everything with magic in it.

[CelestiaSynth]

I spell it with a "k", like most here, for psychological differentiation.

[WingedTigerChild]

Aleister Crowley is the one responsible for adding the word “magick” to the occult vocabulary. I've read various theories as to why, including the mystical significance of the numbers 6 (the number of letters in "magick") and 11 (K is the 11th letter of the alphabet), that he wished to distance himself from the magic (no "k") practiced by the Order of the Golden Dawn, and the much spouted insistence that it is to differentiate real magic from stage magic.

You know, I've discussed magic in religion and history classes for years, and not once has anyone ever confused Celtic beliefs with David Copperfield.

Whatever the reason, I'm damn sure Crowley never used the truly absurd term “magickian.”

The real reason most people speak of “magick” is that which the Bunny above confessed to. Likewise, that reason has generated such English language abominations as “majik,” “majick,” “magik,” and “majic.” It's an attempt to be “kewl.”

“Magick” is the correct, historical spelling.

Yes, “magick” was once considered an acceptable spelling of the word, just as “olde” was an acceptable spelling of "old". That doesn't make you any less pretentious now. About three hundred years ago all sorts of words ending in “ick” lost their “k.” A couple hundred years before that English didn't even have standard spellings. Try reading the original Robin Hood stories or Chaucer's Canterbury Tales in their original English. The varying spellings make them almost unreadable.

And for the record, Gerald Gardner used the term “magic” in his books.

Source (http://wicca.timerift.net/) for the above.

[dreamweaver]

I guess it's bad grammar but I always spell it majik

[Mindflayer]

I spell it Magic

Just don't see the point in spelling it different, doesn't change the meaning of the word...


If you wanna spell it to be different, use the old RPG version: Magicka ;)
at least that's fun to say :p

[Joshua]

I agree. I spell it magic. As long as I know what I'm talking about then it's okay.

[Joshua]

You could get really creative and spell it magique. Or put a silent H in front of it, like hmagic. Also majic, maghik, or madgic.

That's the funny thing about english. Did you know you could spell 'fish' g-h-o-t-i? It's true. Take the gh sound from enough, the o from women, and the ti from nation. Now f, i, and sh is gh, o, and ti.

The point is everyone knows what they mean when they say magic, or magick, or majik, or bunq, whatever. It's not wrong, it's how you spell it. Just as how magic is a personal thing for someone, so too should it's spelling be a personal choice.

edited to correct spelling errors

[Pesha]

Magick is what I practice. It is the witchs way of taking energies and creating a change. Magic is what a stage magician practices.

I use the word spelled with the k to differenciate between the two words and their meanings.

BB
DS.