Kemetic/Tameran Presentation question

[Zephyrstorm]

I'm the president of the Pagan Student Alliance at my Univ. and this week I give a presentation on Kemetic and Tameran Religions. :yayah:

But to that end, I have a question for all of you.

If you were giving the presentation, what would you be certain to say about your beliefs?

Just curious. :spaceman:
Senebty

[David19]

I'm not really completly Kemetic, yet anyway, but if i were doing the presentation, i'd maybe talk about what are the main things you believe (like what the gods are, etc), how it is different to wicca and other pagan religions, maybe what other beings there are in Kemetic cosmology (ancestors, demonic beings?), etc. Maybe if you do magic, what type is practiced.

I'm not sure if that helps, maybe there are some others here who can help you more.

[Zephyrstorm]

Actually, I'd say since you are in the process of learning what Kemetics believe and why, you are in a great position to comment. :)
You are looking at us from the outside, and that perspective means that you can relate to the people I'll be talking to tonight.

Tonight? eep. heh.

[David19]

Maybe you could say what the Kemetic view of other deities (outside Kemetic cosmology) are like whether you view Zeus, Odin, Yahweh, etc as existing and as what (seperate entities tha have nothing to do with the Egyptian ones or connected to netjer (i have no idea if i've spelt it right)).

I personally like the view (which i think i heard here) that netjer is like corporation (although i'm guessing supernatural :)) and that the various gods run the different 'offices' like Kemetic ones run the Egyptian 'office', Yahweh runs the Jewish-Christian &/or Islamic office, Greek ones run the Greek 'office', etc.

That might not sound good, but i'm sure you'll give a great presentation, hope it goes well :).

Also, maybe add in, something about if LGBT people are accepted into Kemetic belief (i think they are?) but there might be others who'll be interested.

Again, hope it goes well.

[Ishtara]

This may come a bit late, I did not realise your presentation was tonight...

The one aspect I would emphasize would be ma'at, how it is central to Ancient Egyptian thought, how it is about personal responsability and ethics rather than dogma.
I would also explain isfet and show how it is our personal duty as Kemetics to fight it and uphold ma'at.

Since you are speaking to a Pagan audience, I suppose that you can go a little more in depth about the differences between Tamerans, Isians, Egyptian-inspired Wicca and Kemetics. Aah, so many denominations, so little time ;)
What I mean by this is that this would be a good opportunity to tell them more about reconstructionist faiths, how they radically differ from Wicca and also what their limits are in our modern everyday life.

Maybe you could also introduce a few important symbols such as the ankh, the djed pillar and the Eye of Hrw and explain their significance?

Best of luck for tonight, let us know how it goes! :hugz: :)

[Zephyrstorm]

Thanks Guys. I've got most everything together.
I've got a paper that talks about Akhet Hwt-Hrw, Fellowship of Isis, House of Netjer, Per-Ankh, Per-Heh, and Tameran Wicca assembled.

Thanks for the votes of confidence. :bouncybob:
Hope ya'll have a great night.

[Ishtara]

So? How did it go? :)

[Zephyrstorm]

So? How did it go? :)

_inabox_ I think I melted some brains.

The concepts of Ka and Ba, and isfet and Ma'at seemed to be too difficult for some, but at the same time they didn't ask questions. meh.

I'll learn to express myself better with time. :hahugh:

[Ishtara]

_inabox_ I think I melted some brains.

:lol:


I am sure there was nothing wrong with the way you expressed yourself :hugz:

Kemetic concepts can be complex to grasp, especially when you gauge them from a modern point of view and are not used to the Ancient Egyptian mindset.

Did the part about Tameran Wicca go over better? I would think that would sound a little more familiar to most Pagans, given how widespread Wicca and Wiccan-inspired paths are.

I am not familiar with a few of the organizations you mentioned in your presentation... I do not know if it is OK to ask, but I would love to read your paper or hear more about them if you have time to share some info :)

[Zephyrstorm]

:)

Thankee.

http://www.per-heh.org
http://www.hwt-hrw.com
http://www.fellowshipofisis.com
http://www.per-ankh.org

I don't have a website contact for the Tameran Wicca thing, just the book _Circle of Isis_ *shrug*

[Phoenixx]

I have recently discovered that the name for a lot of my beliefs is Tameran Wicca. Does anyone know of any good websites about this? Preferably not Kemetic Wicca (apparently the difference is that Kemetic Wicca isn't really Wicca, it's an attempt at recreating the original Egyptian rites, whereas Tameran Wicca is pretty much Wicca that uses Egyptian deities.) Also, what books would you recommend? I'm basically looking for all information I can get, especially for free LOL

Blessed be,
Phoenixx

[Agaliha]

I have recently discovered that the name for a lot of my beliefs is Tameran Wicca. Does anyone know of any good websites about this? Preferably not Kemetic Wicca (apparently the difference is that Kemetic Wicca isn't really Wicca, it's an attempt at recreating the original Egyptian rites, whereas Tameran Wicca is pretty much Wicca that uses Egyptian deities.) Also, what books would you recommend? I'm basically looking for all information I can get, especially for free LOL

Blessed be,
Phoenixx


Look though these threads:
Egyptian/ egyptian wicca (http://www.mysticwicks.com/showthread.php?t=50338&highlight=tameran) ---lots of comments, info and stuff
Tameran and Kemetic (http://www.mysticwicks.com/showthread.php?t=112842&highlight=tameran) ---links and book suggestions
Tameran holidays? (http://www.mysticwicks.com/showthread.php?t=135205&highlight=tameran)
Directions/Quarters in Kemetic/Tameran? (http://www.mysticwicks.com/showthread.php?t=117690&highlight=tameran)
Egyptian, Kemetic and Tameran Links... (http://www.mysticwicks.com/showthread.php?t=18123)

Kemetic FAQ (The Cauldron: A Pagan Forum) (http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0oGklqHvo1G9K4A..tXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTB2ZjYxcjg2BHNlYwNzcgRwb3MDNARjb2xvA3cEdnRpZAMEbANXUzE-/SIG=11upicaug/EXP=1183780871/**http%3a//www.ecauldron.com/reconegyptfaq.php)

Are there Kemetic Wiccans?

There is a tradition of Wicca called Tameran Wicca, which interacts with the Netjerw. (Tameran is another word deriving from an Egyptian word for Egypt; this one is from Ta-Mery, which means 'beloved land'.) There is a book on Tameran Wicca called Circle of Isis (http://www.ecauldron.com/cncbook.php?asin=1564145689), by Ellen Cannon Reed; I would recommend it strongly to anyone who is interested in interacting with the Netjerw in a neopagan context. She writes about the gods in a way that sounds like she knows the gods I know. Tameran Wicca is a Wiccan structure, however; it is not Kemetic. Because the Kemetic ideal is a reconstruction, it uses ritual structures and practices that resemble those of the ancients instead of the modern neopagan structure.


From my understanding Kemetic Wicca is just another way to describe Tameran.
Kemeticism and Kemetic Orthodoxy are Recon paths and are different from Tameran.

[Zephyrstorm]

I have recently discovered that the name for a lot of my beliefs is Tameran Wicca. Does anyone know of any good websites about this? Preferably not Kemetic Wicca (apparently the difference is that Kemetic Wicca isn't really Wicca, it's an attempt at recreating the original Egyptian rites, whereas Tameran Wicca is pretty much Wicca that uses Egyptian deities.) Also, what books would you recommend? I'm basically looking for all information I can get, especially for free LOL

Blessed be,
Phoenixx


Welcome to the Kemetic/Tameran/Egyptian Forum! :)
In my experience it can be a challenge to find any decent Tameran Wicca sites. I know that some of the Tamerans use books like Isis Magic by Isidora Forest and Rosemary Clark's Sacred Magic in Ancient Egypt and Sacred Tradition in Ancient Egypt. (though admittedly those books do not generally past muster for many reconstructionists' purposes.)

There are several recommended book threads linked in the Kemetic FAQ area.
For more solid research, you'll want books on Egyptology, Classical History and the like. Avoid Budge if you can, because his translations are outdated... Faulkner's translations are better.

Any questions you might have, feel free to search around here *points up at the search tab below the banner* or ask.

Thank you, Agaliha for pulling up those links for her. you're a blessing. :hugz:

[Agaliha]

Thank you, Agaliha for pulling up those links for her. you're a blessing. :hugz:


:hugz:
You're welcome!