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Fluffmeister
March 1st, 2006, 01:46 PM
The background: currently, all world oil trades take place in US dollars. This confers a significant advantage on the US - it means that since the rest of the world needs dollars, the US can overlook its overspending, currently running at a terrifying level of 8 trillion dollars. Yes, TRILLION - that's $8,000,000,000,000. If the US had to pay this off tomorrow, every single man, woman and child in the USA would need to make a personal payment of over $25,000 each.

Now, the USA doesn't need to pay this off since world trade takes place in dollars. If the US government needs more dollars, it prints more - and people will buy them. Other countries can't do this - printing money just means runaway inflation. However, the USA is safe provided world trade - and in practice that means the oil trade - takes place in dollars.

Now, Iran has put the cat among the pigeons by announcing that it's going to open an Iranian Oil Bourse (IOB) on 20 March, trading in Euros. If this happens, countries who currently pay for oil in dollars (and are effectively subsidising the US debt) can choose to pay in Euros instead. There's a lot of hype surrounding what will happen, but there are fears this could precipitate a crash of the US dollar. A brief summary is at http://www.traderdaily.com/column4/2340.html but any search for Iran Oil Bourse will bring up hundreds of topical articles.

Iran isn't the first country to trade oil in Euros. Iraq started doing so a couple of years back - and the Euro, which had been slipping against the US dollar since its introduction in 1999, started increasing against the dollar. This did worry US financial interests, and after the Iraq invasion the US government quietly converted Iraq's reserves back into US dollars and ensured that Iraqi oil was sold in dollars again, and the dollar's slide against the Euro halted.

Of course, the US could prevent this Bourse by invading Iran this month. Or perhaps there is some back-dealing going on, and Tehran will postpone the launch of its Bourse.

So, here's a mundane astrology question. Assuming the Bourse goes ahead, will it succeed? Although there are suggestions that the Bourse will physically be located on the island of Kish in Iran, I'm assuming the Bourse will be "born" as an entity on the TSE (Tehran Stock Exchange) at 09:00, since the trading hours of the TSE are 09:00-12:30 Saturday to Wednesday.

I've attached the chart. I don't think it looks too promising, though my mundane astrology isn't very good. The chart ruler, Venus, is prominent and conjunct Neptune suggesting it's highly prominent and in the news, but with rather false ideas about itself. The Bourse's wealth is shown by the ruler of the second, Mercury, who is in fall, retrograde, conjunct Uranus and square to Mars. There's a trine to Jupiter, who rules the 8th house (other people's money) and the 11th house (the boss's money - could be good for the CEO of the Bourse!) so there could be an initial flurry. The oil may be shown by the 4th house (buried treasure, literally), ruled by the Sun - however, I'm not sure if this represents oil as the oil is not part of the Bourse, but the buried treasure of the *country* itself. I can't make out the condition of the Sun - some say that in the last degree of a sign he's weak, but he does trine the Moon - but squares Pluto.

Looking at the charts of Iran and the US you can see two flashpoints - the US Uranus on Iran's Moon, and the US Mars square to Iran's Mars. Does anything in the Bourse chart trigger these flashpoints? Loosely, yes - transiting Uranus is squaring that Uranus/Moon flashpoint, and transiting Pluto making the Mars-Mars square into a T-square, and transiting Mars coming up to the US Mars. However, these aren't exact - so there's no obvious reason why the launch of the Bourse should specifically trigger an event - either an invasion or the collapse of the US dollar.

So I'm wondering if the Bourse will be a bit of a flash in the pan - scaring traders, but not precipitating anything major itself. Of course, this doesn't stop the problem that eventually - with the US debt predicted to rise from 24% of GDP to a shocking 68% by 2014 - the US will need to address the issue of living beyond her means or the dollar really will crash. Sooner or later, other countries are going to want to trade in currencies other than the US dollar - and when that day comes, it will be a wobbly day indeed for the world markets! However, I'm not convinced that day will be 20 March 2006. I've attached the charts - what does everyone else think?

KEishin
March 1st, 2006, 04:01 PM
That Canadian citizenship is looking better and better everyday . . . :nuhuh:

I wouldn't go making a run on the bank just yet . . . the fact that the chart ruler is in an angular house is sort reassuring and not at the same time. If it goes that way, it'll go FAST; better that than a long slow decline. Perhaps that means it'll come and go, just like you said Fluff. My opinion is that Venus/Neptune plus the square to Jupiter will cloud the true issue until it's almost too late.

Saturn in grumpy Leo over the US's POF in the transit wheel pretty much says it all. I'm sure Leonoid posturing will figure in somewhere too. If we go with modern rulerships, Uranus in the IOB chart makes a neat little square to Iran's Moon in the 10th too. And Venus (the significator) falls strinkingly enough into the US's 2nd house. Hmm

I wonder what the Mars conjunct Mars from IOB to US will do?

mercuric
March 1st, 2006, 07:46 PM
All very interesting. going to have to rack my brain a little on this one... will post anything interesting i find :D

I've got a ton of stuff to do right now, but I want to compare the IOB chart to the fed chart, the 1913/1914 charts.

http://www.billmeridian.com/articles-files/fed-new.htm

if anything speaks for the old greenback, i think those are probably the charts.

anyhow, all too intersting, thanks for the posting, i heard iran was working on this but didnt realize the quickness of the matter.

and yes, this will probably make ole DC pretty mad.. they sure didnt like it when saddam did this!

cheers :D

Little Billy
March 1st, 2006, 08:33 PM
No offense, but you don't need astrology to see that the US dollar is 1/4" from dropping in the crapper.

mercuric
March 1st, 2006, 09:58 PM
ha!

the mundane you can always see.. but where will it go? whats the real cause?

sometimes, you have to look to the basics.

Fluffmeister
March 2nd, 2006, 06:16 AM
No offense, but you don't need astrology to see that the US dollar is 1/4" from dropping in the crapper.

Ah, but the question was will the IOB precipitate the crash, or will it be something else?

RedRose
March 2nd, 2006, 09:38 AM
Mars out of Taurus and into Gemini and Chiron in Aquarius...I canna seem to get depressed. Rather I feel like dancing in the streets.

The worst the news, each evil new truth that comes out, the very shock people are feeling as they start to get that we no longer have honest elections, any civil rights. They can spy on us and take people away and torture us to death and we won't see a lawyer. They knew about Katrina and they LET people (the old and sickly and the poor and African American) die - it looks like it was genocide.

I have a Taurus Rising. Anyone else have a Taurus Rising? Actually Taurus energy of all kinds is really needed right now. Slow and steady wins this race. Taurus's are here to help the world to:

"Buy local, boycott all corporatations and stop using phony products. Why not throw your TV away and get to know your neighbors and gather with your friends? Figure out how to get along with less oil. You won't believe how little garden space it takes to feed a family."

Blissings - RedRose

mercuric
March 2nd, 2006, 02:37 PM
yes, taureans are needed now! i was sent a taurus rising friend about a month ago who has chiron exactly conjunct his ascendant and i've been teaching him all i know. he's such a sponge, soaking up every last detail i can provide and then expanding upon them and in turn making me learn with him. so rare to find that sort of depth, its so encouraging. thanks, cosmos, for sending an amazing taurean to my group of friends.

he's been called to help guide people through these rough times, and has a beautiful patient healing ability -- he's even been able to get inside me, which isnt exactly easy.. im pretty walled off, overly independant and at times (when im feeling down) disgustingly insecure and reclusive. gotta love being a capricorn rising, huh?!

i did some looking at the fed chart vs march20 last night, the big things that stands out is transiting saturn making an exact trioctile to 1913 n.venus on march 20th. t.venus returns the favor, with a trine to 1913 n.saturn as well! venus would represent small finance (money/possessions of the average man possibly), and saturn is limitations. the other big thing is that jupiter (large finance) is aspecting by sextile/trine both the 1913 nodal axis and the 1913 asc/dsc axis.. which form a mystic rectange in the fed chart, the other major pattern aside from the sun/pluto opposition forming a cross with the IC/MC axis... so jupiter is definitly having some major interaction with the fed's chart. small personal venusian finance could be limited, but with jupiter expanding the nodal axis and asc/dsc axis of the fed chart, big finance represented by jupiter might be in full force.. could this speak for oodles and oodles of gov't or corporate cash trading hands? jupiter generally doesnt rule personal finance, but rather cooperative finance -- groups, corporations, govt, big banks, etc etc.

anyhow, i have more to say about the two charts, that was the major portion, ill post the other stuff when i finish it.. started it last night, but mercury slowing down makes it all the harder. 1 hour and it goes rerograde, i cant wait. i have natal mercury retrograde, so the retro period meshes nicely with me, but the slowing down and speeding up (approaching station) phases tend to be chaotic and frustrating!

mercuric
March 4th, 2006, 03:34 PM
well, not sure how much various things i noticed matter, but the one other thing that stands out..

the chart for the IOB, has an interesting focus on venus. it's exactly at the midpoint of sun and pluto, and close (18 arcmin) to the midpoint of chiron/neptune, which are both close by. venus is chart ruler, and conjunct the MC angle.

kinda feels like march20 was elected?

Fluffmeister
March 4th, 2006, 03:47 PM
well, not sure how much various things i noticed matter, but the one other thing that stands out..

the chart for the IOB, has an interesting focus on venus. it's exactly at the midpoint of sun and pluto, and close (18 arcmin) to the midpoint of chiron/neptune, which are both close by. venus is chart ruler, and conjunct the MC angle.

kinda feels like march20 was elected?

It was, but for one very simple astrological reason. It's the start of the Iranian New Year, which technically begins at exactly 0 Aries:

http://www.payvand.com/newyear.html


So perhaps the ingress chart would be a better one to use, rather than my 09:00 time?

mercuric
March 5th, 2006, 04:46 PM
excellent point!

the chart for the 00aries ingress looks pretty interesting.

moon and saturn are closely trine, with thier midpoint falling near exact (3 arcmin) the nodal axis. the moon is doubly important because its not only fast moving, but rules islam. the kite formed puts the 11th house south node in the hotspot. a revolution from yesteryears reemerges? scorpio is rising with classical ruler mars exactly on the 8th equal house cusp, modern house of the modern ascendant ruler. pluto is trine the midheaven, and square the sun, from the 2nd house of venus. scorpio jupiter is rising conjunct the ascendant in the 1st. as the sun slips into aries, in tehran, it's in its own house, conjunct the north node, within orb to become part of the moon/saturn/nodes kite. closest major aspect in the chart is mars inconjunct ascendant.

edit: more about mars in this chart: notice mars trines venus and neptune. the midpoint of the venus/neptune conjunction is only 4 arcmin from exact trine to mars. so when you consider that trine, you should consider that it is a trine to the venus/neptune cycle as a whole. you can see the connection to the saturn/pluto cycle here as the saturn/pluto midpoint trines mars by 35 arcmin.. a bit wide in midpoint terms, and trines are not usually used.. but interesting to see two trines from midpoints to mars, considering it already seems like its in an important spot.

venus/neptune should represent a pretty thick fog, possibly lots of trickery and smokescreens - could speak for the political war iran is fighting, and will continue to fight, of using hot air to buy them more and more time... just today there were a few articles out about how the mullahs are basically admitting they've stalled with the EU3 talks just to buy time... ha, like we couldnt tell <lol>