crystals make my meridians ache

[ruadh]

I have noticed this since I started handling them several years ago. I have many nice clusters and a few points which I have collected over the years. I don't want to get rid of them, but quartz crystals have always made the meridians in my wrist ache a little. Does anyone know why this is? I have cleansed them in sea salt water but they still do this. The books I have read on the topic don't mention this. They only talk about the healing properties of them as well as how to cleanse them.

[Myst]

What are meridians?

:huh:

I've never heard of quarz crystals hurting anyone tho. Maybe the vibration of the crystal somehow is out of sync (or in sync) with the vibration of your meridians, or quarz can be used conductors so they might be focusing energy the wrong way. I have a friend who can't have amethyst around her for that reason (it gives her headaches because it focuses energy). Maybe just don't handle them?

[Rick]

...sometimes, when I pick up a particularly strong quartz (as in seems to be particularly attuned to me, as Myst was saying about vibrations), I'll get a small headache... kinda like an 'ice cream' headache, just usually not so intense, but brief... when that happens, I usually buy that stone...

Now, the headache I get when I touch/wear most pieces of hematite... OY VEY! :flamer: :meanface: :ack: :dis:

[Lavender]

I'm not a 100% sure but I think meridians are kind of like leylines in your body. The points where the flows of energies meet.

Ruadh, just curious how you're using the crystal clusters? I've heard this happen to someone I know. She was very sensitive to crystals & work a lot with them. She found that she couldn't have any metals circling anywhere on her body. It was cutting off the flows of energies & would make whatever part of the body ache. She couldn't wear gold or any metals in rings or bracelets or necklaces that circle completely around.

[ruadh]

Well I don't really "use" them because I am not very experienced with that sort of thing and the sources I have read were not that helpful. I bought them years ago as a teenager because I thought crystals were "cool" and interesting to look at and they have been around ever since because I like them. (I am 31 now). I prefer wearing and having amythest around now. I don't get achy around it.

[WolfWoman]

This is really interesting; I've never heard of anyone having 'pain' or 'discomfort' handling crystals... Never heard of meridians either. I have heard of people having a kind of 'aversion' to certain types of crystals, but maybe that's what they were talking about...

[ruadh]

To the best of my knowledge, and what I can remember from my acupuncturist's explanation, yes the meridians are the "ley lines" in one's body through which the chi flows. A blocked meridian can be somewhat painful to open but when it does, you sure feel it! She has worked on several around my wrist area. This is also where she would take my "pulses" to find out which elements were out of balance. (In traditional Chinese acupuncture or Five Elements acupuncture, the practitioner focuses on air, earth, fire, water, and metal- or wood, I can never remember the fifth) I am a water through and through so that element always overcomes fire and earth. I don't know how this would affect crystals or vice versa. I can remember how surprised she was when I was alble to feel the meridians open up on the first and second visit. She said that it usually took people several visits for this to happen. These same meridians also ache terribly when I hold anything from my "Catholic" past. Very strange! The amythest doesn't do this, nor does any other stone I have encountered.

[Rick]

Yeah, I get kinda achy & nervous around crucifixes & holy water...



...sorry...

[nehelia]

i have to respectfully disagree with your statement that water always overcomes fire and earth; it depends on the person--for you yeh, for me never :) and, from what i remember, the chinese system has no earth--its elements are air, fire, water, metal, and wood. the I Ching is different tho. (or mebbe its that it has no fire and then earth? ah my memory is going)

is it both wrists that hurt, or either your sending or receiving hand?

a couple thoughts come to mind, first that the quartz may be signifying that you either have a problem blockage with transmitting or receiving energy (depending on the hand) that's been there for awhile but isnt major. the quartz could also just be overloading that specific meridian. . . if the meridian connects to an area of your body that is sick or not that strong, this could also be sending a discomfort signal so that you don't overload yourself

you could try using a counterstone with quartz, like hematite or pyrite, or using smokey quartz with quartz, to see if this alleviates the pain thing.

the fact that you also ache when holding something from yr catholic past suggests to me that the meridian is attached to some residual negative programming or energies associated with the past, whether experiences or emotions you haven't worked out. . . if the quartz crystal is a window, record keeper, activation side, or another more cleansing or block-releasing type of quartz, it could be activating the stuff in a similar way that the catholic object is. one way to test this out would be to hold both the quartz and the catholic object; a positive indication that this is the case would be either that your wrist hurts even more, or that there isnt any discomfort signal at all.

hope this helps

[ruadh]

Well, I know there is quite a bit of negative stuff I am working through and I know that quartz can "amplify" anything going on, so that makes sense. As for my water element always overcoming earth and fire, I think that is just my particular case. I agree that it doesn't always do that. Yes, the terms wood and metal would take the place of earth in traditional five element acupuncture. (My practioner is in Ireland for a year so I am very rusty and I tend to get things like that mixed up anyway) She does, however, specifically mention "earth" since there are a total of 12 "pulses" that she takes before balancing anything. I have problems with grounding anyway, and I could use a little more fire to energize myself... Thanks for your reply.

[nehelia]

since we're on the topic of crystals, kind of, four excellent crystals for grounding are hematite, smokey quartz, obsidian, and black kyanite. almost any orange or red stone is fire-oriented, but some of my favorites are citrine, carnelian, and amber. two stones that are a mixture of fire and earth are red jasper (firey earth thats just yummy) and red tigers eye (earthy fire). something that always helps me connect with fire more is to go out and look at the sun, hands raised, and draw its energies into my solar plexus (i use Ra as a focus for this). . . even just sitting in sunlight for a few minutes can energize you. hope that helps too :)

[ruadh]

Thanks for the info. I tried putting a few stones good for grounding around my root chakra last year and I literally felt heavy in my shoes! The effect was a little strong- I felt "pulled" into the earth instead of grounded. I actually had to go home and take a nap that day. What is an effective way of working with stones so that one is grounded, but not overwhelmed like this?

[Rick]

Originally posted by ruadh
Thanks for the info. I tried putting a few stones good for grounding around my root chakra last year and I literally felt heavy in my shoes! The effect was a little strong- I felt "pulled" into the earth instead of grounded. I actually had to go home and take a nap that day. What is an effective way of working with stones so that one is grounded, but not overwhelmed like this?
Don't carry the stones in your shoes... :T ...just teasing...

Sounds like you may have 'overloaded'... like using a cup of sugar in your tea when a teaspoon will do... you may just hace to experiment with combination & how many stones you are carrying at a given time...

[Semele]

bump

[vikinggoddess]

the chinese 5 elements are actually fire, earth, metal, wood, and water.
air is not a chinese element.

http://chinesetherapeutics.org/elementmusic.html
http://chinesetherapeutics.org/5elements.html

[craszzz]

And we invented new ways of using crystals
It is hard to explain, but it is to do with the five elements!
We believe that everyone has different "body qualities"depending on your birth time and for ex the stone for money(which you guys think are green stones) is not the same for everyone.

[vikinggoddess]

craszzz..

Please elaborate.. maybe in a new thread? Which 5 e. system? I have been working on Classification of stones according to Chinese 5 e and Zang fu.

or email me privately if you would like to share back and forth

vg

[craszzz]

Quite suprised to find that some of you are interseted in this topic actually! =]
I understand the term 5e but i dont understand "zang fu"

Basically 5e is metal,wood,water,fire,earth
Everything in our world has its element
and crystals are very strong in their elements because they have the natural colour lights
So we believe you can get bad luck if u choose the wrong crystals!
For example you choose rose quartz for love luck and it doesnt suit your personal body qualities, so it doesnt work that effectively and your general luck will become bad.
And in every element it has one of yin(feminine) and one of yang(masculine)
Colour correspondences
--------------Yin--------------------------------------Yang
Metal------white(quartz)------------------Gold(all Rutilated quartz)
wood---dark green(green phantom)----------bright green
water---black,grey (obsidian)---------------Light blue(aquamarine)
fire------Purple(Amethyst)-------------------red,pink(rose quartz)
earth-----dark yellow-------------------------yellow(Yellow quartz)
------------------------------------(actually i dont know what it is called in english)

Basically we classify them according to their colours.

I suggest you look for a chinese teacher to learn about the five elements as soon as i havent seen any english books on this topic!
Five elements can be used to do many things like fortune telling, enhancing luck and medicine.

anyway i am not a pro at this...i juz started learning it

[LadyCelt]

maybe your jewelery is too heavy and/or too tight on you

[vikinggoddess]

ok so you know that each element has a yin and yang organ associated with it. You can make diagnosis based on 5 e theory control cycle, generating cycle, etc. Zang fu theory is like organ theory and has more a perspective at looking at organ interrelationships, fluids and qi of organs, etc. I also look at chakra and related acupoint.

I haven't thought on Yin and Yang stones, but that is good you are thinking in that way.. Here is what I have so far and it changes.. still working on this:

Wood, Liver Gallbladder: Bloodstone (Dang Gui stone) I would have to call this one Yin Darker acts on blood; Peridot, aventurine, moss agate.
Earth, Spleen Stomach: Red jade, carnelian, citrine, yellow tigers eye
Fire, Heart pericardium: ruby, rose quartz, garnet
Water, Kidney Urinary bladder: (zang fu-Ming men - garnet, rose quartz ) hematite, obsidian
Metal, Lung : clear quartz, pyrite, lapis, sodalite

Ok you may wonder why I choose the lapis sodalite for Metal. This is more Zang Fu Chakra hybrid theory. You know the Lung is the metal organ. The throat is also an extension of the Lung- throat chakra color blue.. lapis. Third eye point just above is a facial acupoint for clearing heat from the Lung. Chakra color Indigo. Also indigo plant used to clear heat from the lung. Therefore I put Sodalite in Metal element category.

[craszzz]

ok so you know that each element has a yin and yang organ associated with it. You can make diagnosis based on 5 e theory control cycle, generating cycle, etc. Zang fu theory is like organ theory and has more a perspective at looking at organ interrelationships, fluids and qi of organs, etc. I also look at chakra and related acupoint.

I haven't thought on Yin and Yang stones, but that is good you are thinking in that way.. Here is what I have so far and it changes.. still working on this:

Wood, Liver Gallbladder: Bloodstone (Dang Gui stone) I would have to call this one Yin Darker acts on blood; Peridot, aventurine, moss agate.
Earth, Spleen Stomach: Red jade, carnelian, citrine, yellow tigers eye
Fire, Heart pericardium: ruby, rose quartz, garnet
Water, Kidney Urinary bladder: (zang fu-Ming men - garnet, rose quartz ) hematite, obsidian
Metal, Lung : clear quartz, pyrite, lapis, sodalite

Ok you may wonder why I choose the lapis sodalite for Metal. This is more Zang Fu Chakra hybrid theory. You know the Lung is the metal organ. The throat is also an extension of the Lung- throat chakra color blue.. lapis. Third eye point just above is a facial acupoint for clearing heat from the Lung. Chakra color Indigo. Also indigo plant used to clear heat from the lung. Therefore I put Sodalite in Metal element category.

Sorry i thought you were a newbie -.-"
In fact You seem to know quite a lot~

I get what you mena by zang fu now..it's like liver is associated with eye and stuff

You can also tell that lapiz is metal by looking at the colour~ there are some gold bits
But the major colour is dark blue~Therefore i think that it is water+metal

I know that the nose is the extension of lung...but I didnt know that the throat was the extension of lung...
I heard that the throat is water
although voice is metal

[craszzz]

this is what some chinese people say:
Water:Moonstone,aquamarine,obsidian,somky quartz

rutilated quartz is metal+all
red rutilated is warm metal+all
green rutilated is metal+wood+all
black is metal+water+all

Quartz=metal+all

Quartz cluster=all

Herkimer diamond=metal+all

Iron-nickel meteorite=metal

Garnet=warm water

Sugilite=fire+all

Citrine=warm earth

Pietersite=earth+all

moldavite=wood+all
it has the metaphysical properties of all crystals

Kunzite=warm water

AMETHYST GEODE DEPENDS ON ITS SHAPE

Tektite=water+all

kyantite=warm water

Charoite=fire+all

Blue chalcedony=warm earth

Amber=wood

[CzechWoods]

I have noticed this since I started handling them several years ago. I have many nice clusters and a few points which I have collected over the years. I don't want to get rid of them, but quartz crystals have always made the meridians in my wrist ache a little. Does anyone know why this is? I have cleansed them in sea salt water but they still do this. The books I have read on the topic don't mention this. They only talk about the healing properties of them as well as how to cleanse them.

everything in nature that has a cause, can have effects we dont like. unfortunatelly many authors would like to neglect that.

quartz indeed sometimes is felt as too muh.

if a stone causes unwanted effects, its most often better to not use it, or to go to a professional stone consultant to be getting in depth help in trhat cause.

anyway, maybe you should clean your meridians with stones, and substitute quartz stones in general.

:elf:

hope this helps _wiz_

[Pesha]

When I hold a crystal for the first time, if it begins to feel hot in my hand, I get it. My crystals all found me.

I have never had pain. but a tingling in my hands when I am working with them.

BB
DS.

[Aidron]

Alright, a troublesome problem, yes, but one that perhaps has not been looked at from one key angle.

Clear quartz especially has long been viewed as a stone of amplification, such as malachite amplifies magical power, but clear quartz is so universal in so many ways, that it could be very possible that it is amplifying your pain, as well as other things, or just solely your pain.

The solution? Well, getting rid of the clear quartz and realizing it isn't the stone for you is one and it may have to be the route you take in the end, but first let's try something else before you have to get rid of your precious stones.

Cleanse it, but, cleanse it in a very specific manner. Clear quartz, by my own inclination is ruled by both Sun and Moon (planetary rulers) and Fire and Water (elemental rulers). The Sun is inextricably linked to the element of Fire, for it is made of fire, just as the Moon is inextricably linked to the element of Water (for it controls the tides of all bodies of water). Fire is also the element of empowerment (synonymous with magnification, still following?) and as such, the planetary and elemental rulerships of quartz may be leaning too much toward a solar/fire link than a moon/water one, causing your pain to be empowered and thus magnified.

However, it may not be the stones themself, it could be the way in which they are existing currently, because if we look at the law of contagion, which simply put states that anything that comes into contact with something else, whether it be object or entity or somewhere in between, will continue to interact through a psychic link, but this link can be nullified, such as through cleansing. The point? The stones may be picking up too much fire and solar energy and while solar and fire energy is very powerful and rightly used for purification in many cases as its light dispels all harm, it could also be empowering the stone and re-adjusting its energy at the core to be more linked with that energy.

I know, I promised you a solution, and here goes. Keep the stones out of direct sunlight and away from heat, at least for let's say.... three complete moon cycles, though permanently would perhaps be best and it may be needed if this doesn't work. Use a solution of water and salt, with the porportion of water greatly outweighing the porportion of salt of course. Let them absorb moonlight, especially the light of the full moon, which means you will have to place them outside or near a window. I would recommend outside, as this problem is quite severe apparently so it is best to go all out in solving it. Continue to set the stones out each night, despite the fact that the moon rises during the day in certain phases (the dark moon, often referred to as the new moon for example rises at sunrise and sets at sunset). Keep this up for three lunar cycles and then slowly (that is, don't go adorning all the stones at once, one piece at a time, ease yourself back into wearing or carrying them) include them back into your life in the fashion that seems to be causing you so much problems now.

If that doesn't work, feel free to bump this thread up again (if you even try this method that is) once you're done and I'll try to come up with something else to keep you from having to give up your stones, but I must confess that it may be a distinct possibility for you to have to do so. Each of us has something that tends to create chaos with our own energy, and in some cases it is specific stones at times. Think of it as an allergic geological reaction, for lack of a better analogy.

[LadyCelt]

Water:Moonstone,aquamarine,obsidian,somky quartz


I thought moonstone was fire

[Aidron]

I thought moonstone was fire


I can't speak for moonstone in accordance to the chinese elements, as I do not ascribe to them, but I have often read that things such as moonstone and pearls are ascribed to the element of water within that system.

In western elemental philosophy, moonstone (all varieties) are attributed to the element of water as the moon has long been inextricably linked to the element of water.

[LadyCelt]

I can definately see pearls linked to water. I may ahve to get some now that the obvious has bene pointed out lol.


I was told moonstone was fire due to the sun relfecting off of it, and the sun is fire etc.


thanks for the help

[Aidron]

I can definately see pearls linked to water. I may ahve to get some now that the obvious has bene pointed out lol.


Surprisingly, there are often more stones which relate to fire and water than any other elemental, with air having the least and earth not too far behind it in some cases.


I was told moonstone was fire due to the sun relfecting off of it, and the sun is fire etc.

I've never heard of that before, but since light reflects off of most stones (which is far more evident when they're polished) I would say that was at best an uneducated remark.

There does exist a variety of semi-precious stones known as sunstone, which are linked both to Fire and the Sun. Perhaps somewhere along the lines of communication it was misinterpreted as moonstone?

[LadyCelt]

The guy is pretty intelligent and smart, but maybe it could be both elements too. I feel it is possible some stones are more than one.

[Aidron]

The guy is pretty intelligent and smart, but maybe it could be both elements too. I feel it is possible some stones are more than one.


There are several that are, such as clear quartz, which is often perceived to be governed by fire and water and in other cases, by spirit or in all cases by all five elements.

Another example of this would be amber, which can be said to be ruled by fire (from its golden light and vibrant energy), water (for it comes from a liquid) and spirit (since it is essentially formed from the blood of a living creature).

I still find it hard to believe that anyone would relate moonstone of any variety to fire, but I've heard stranger things.

[vikinggoddess]

Very interesting...we have amber now in wood fire and water, and I forgot to add I think earth for this one. yellow/orange earth color, warming.

The way how I think of quartz and diamond is like a strong qi tonic herb. like american ginseng. so if there is pain, then I look to when is tonification contraindicated. Classic contra indications of qi tonification are stagnation of qi and blood or external pathogenic influence. General meridian pain in this case..more likely the former situation. Think instead toward bloodstone to move Liver qi and blood.

Craszz.. can you share any stone formulas for particular chinese medicine diagnosis.

Good also to think in terms of Shen/spirit stones. amethyst, iolite, tibetan black ice quartz, etc.

[~*Ginger*~]

I've read also that moonstones are of a water element.
something along the lines of it cracked, they can leak...

Oh, wait, that's an opal isn't it?

Still moonstone/water, i believe...

[craszzz]

Sorry.....I dun hv any knowledge about stone medicine...