I need to talk to someone skilled in dark magic

[Aleannah]

I have some questions...could someone please pm me?
Thanks :hugz:

[Theres]

...could someone please pm me?

"That trick never works" ~ Rocket J. Squirell (aka 'Rocky')

[arianrhods_daughter]

Your more likely to get a response if you list what you want then people can decide whether or not they can help you

[Aleannah]

I have a friend who is seriously considering some very dark magic, and I don't know what to tell him so he doesn't get himself into trouble. He is very headstrong and very angry with someone right now. The person he is angry with fully deserves what my friend wants to do, but I was wondering if there is a certain time limit he should wait to see if the universe takes care of this individual...I am not skilled in this at all, and don't want to give bad advice. That's really all I wanted - sorry for the lack of info earlier.

[arianrhods_daughter]

There is a certain element of risk in what you do no matter what it is, even getting out of bed you could get dizzy fall and hurt yourself badly, just as a random example. When I was very angry with someone I did a release ritual where pretty much I had an absorbent (sp?) object that I yelled and screamed and carried on at till I was spent (about 3hours later lol) then I did a cleansing of the object and prayed to deity to please help this person to see what they had done and for the universe to work it out and it did. I've talked to a few people who have taken the matter into their own hands, sometimes with good results, sometimes not so good, it really depends on what he plans to do and whether it will work at all at any rate. Do you know what he is planning to do?

[Aleannah]

he doesn't want to do anything like a death spell or anything, but he wants to "zap" this individual...to satisfy his own need for revenge, which is understandable - this is one of those people who deserves it, but I told him the universe usually takes care of the "zapping"...putting all your frustrations into an inanimate object and then asking the universe to take care of it sounds like a viable option...I will suggest it to him. Did the cleansing of the object work, or did you end up getting rid of it? I only ask because I have had an object that no matter how much cleansing and blessing it received, the negativity couldn't be removed. So, I ended up getting rid of it.

[~*Ginger*~]

So basically, he's angry and frustrated...

May sound kinda, of an old idea, but a good wire fence, a dirty old rug, and a big ole stick, might help.

Take the rug, hang over the fence, and beat the crap out of it (with the stick).
Feel free to holler, scream, and cuss as much as needed.

If that doesn't do the trick for ridding him of these negative feelings, perhaps, grabbing the rug off the fence, while cussing it, then throwing it down on the ground and stomping it (hollering and screaming), may help a little more.

[DoktorSick]

If that person deserves to get zapped then
you friend could very well be the agent of karma
and be the one who the universe has chosen to be
the zapper to the zappee.

[Dio]

I always stay out of other people's need for revenge. I will strongly urge them to rethink their reasoning for wanting to do so... If they really think that it's worth it, there isn't a damn thing I can say or do to change their minds. So, if they don't listen to reason, I just tell them to go right ahead...

...I'll be standing aaaalll the way over -----------------------> here.

[Aleannah]

yep, angry and frustrated...that's him. I suggested something similar to him, and the basic thing is, he wants to do something so that this other individual will basically "feel his wrath"...I told him if he really wants the guy to feel him, then go punch him in the nose. :lol: Of course, he said no. I'm just trying to get him to wait until he cools down...the situation will change here shortly, where he won't even have to deal with this person anymore. I have also told him to wait until everything cools down, and the situation has changed, then if he still feels the need, there are more mundane ways to deal with this individual that will cause him plenty of harassment without magic getting involved at all, and no one else will be harmed. I think I need to do a calming spell towards the situation, which may buy some time. I just don't want my friend to do something stupid out of anger. It's not like the guy is a killer or rapist or anything...he's just a major pain in the butt, and I would hate for my friend to have karmic repercussions over somebody that's just not worth it.

[Dio]

I would hate for my friend to have karmic repercussions over somebody that's just not worth it.

Sometimes karmic repercussions are the only way people learn.

[morningstar2651]

Let me get this straight. He is angry. He wants to get revenge. But he doesn't want to take responsibility for his actions, so he won't punch the guy. Instead, he's going to use magic...

[Aleannah]

Let me get this straight. He is angry. He wants to get revenge. But he doesn't want to take responsibility for his actions, so he won't punch the guy. Instead, he's going to use magic...
yeah, pretty much - I've been talking to him and I think I've got him to understand that magic doesn't solve all problems, especially mundane ones. In fact, if not used correctly, magic can make matters worse. He's fairly new to paganism (only a couple of years into it), and I think he wants to flex his magical muscles a bit....I remember when I was there, and I had to fight impulses that would have gotten me into universal trouble. But, I think I have maybe convinced him to just wait and observe how the universe takes care of things.

[mtpathy]

I have a friend who is seriously considering some very dark magic, and I don't know what to tell him so he doesn't get himself into trouble. He is very headstrong and very angry with someone right now. The person he is angry with fully deserves what my friend wants to do, but I was wondering if there is a certain time limit he should wait to see if the universe takes care of this individual...I am not skilled in this at all, and don't want to give bad advice. That's really all I wanted - sorry for the lack of info earlier.

If his only incentive in practicing left-hand it to do negative magick on
another,then laugh and point because thats just silly,and the point of
left-hand is obviously lost to him.

[Vincent Verthaine]

Revenge is a dish best served cold.
While I agree that sometimes you are allowed to be the instrument to giving someone his karma,going about it half cocked and clouded with anger is a sure way to get karmic bitchslap yourself.

If he is afraid of the consequences of just walking up and pimpslapping this person,he should really think of the ramifications of using magic.
Tell your friend to take his anger,channel it into the chaosspere,and let the universe dispose of it's own evil.

[Teresa]

If your friend will not listen to the heeding you have already done then perhaps it is time for him to learn a lesson as well from this experience. It could be a good lesson or a bad one . Most people that have knowledge of what you call "dark magic" carry with them the wisdom to know when to use it and when not too. One should never do things in haste or anger but learn to think things thru because for every action there is a reaction. Being a friend and talking to him as you have is about as much as one could expect. This is just my 2 copper.

[David19]

Maybe you should just try and tell him to get revenge in another way (i'm ntot sure how old ay of you are, but if the person your friend wants revenge on has a car, maybe damaging that, or just getting on with his life, not letting the person affect him).

But if he really want's revenge no matter what, maybe you should direct him to the book Mastering Witchcraft by Paul Huson (you can also download it for free), it has some good chapters on a lot of things, including revenge or vengence, like what to do, when and why you should use revenge magic (i think anyway). Also, karma is different to how Buddhist's and Hindu's see it (i think anyway).

[BlueMoon13]

Revenge is a dish best served cold.
While I agree that sometimes you are allowed to be the instrument to giving someone his karma,going about it half cocked and clouded with anger is a sure way to get karmic bitchslap yourself.

:cheers:

[morningstar2651]

Maybe you should just try and tell him to get revenge in another way (i'm ntot sure how old ay of you are, but if the person your friend wants revenge on has a car, maybe damaging that, or just getting on with his life, not letting the person affect him).

But if he really want's revenge no matter what, maybe you should direct him to the book Mastering Witchcraft by Paul Huson (you can also download it for free), it has some good chapters on a lot of things, including revenge or vengence, like what to do, when and why you should use revenge magic (i think anyway). Also, karma is different to how Buddhist's and Hindu's see it (i think anyway).Paul might not appreciate people illegally downloading his copyrighted work.

[9-2-2]

Dark magick should only be used in accordance with furthering one's own spiritual path. Much like there's almost no reason to go off and pop a cap in random passerby, or even into people who really piss you off, there is almost no reason to go magickally zapping people.

Using magick while one's intent is clouded by blind emotions is rarely the way to solve problems. Doing so is akin to a thrashing 2 year-old who flails about, hitting mommy, while smacking the family dog, breaking things, and making a mess... especially when done by a sleeper, or someone unskilled with magick. then again, I do not fully understand what happened, so I cannot be the judge of this. I feel that if he was slighted and humiliated in front of a lot of people, then using magickal assault is uncalled for. If someone caused him to lose his job or something similar, don't see it as a loss per se, but as the Universe plopping down an alternate path for your friend - using said "guy-who-pissed-him-off" as a convenient karmic tool.

Now if it's something like burn down the house, or killing someone's kid, then it's different, but these situations need to be handled much differently than other crude fashions such as revenge.

[Malcolm]

So why doesn't your friend just walk up and kick the shit out of the guy? why does he need to use magic at all?

[KEishin]

[quote=David19]But if he really want's revenge no matter what, maybe you should direct him to the book Mastering Witchcraft by Paul Huson, it has some good chapters on a lot of things, including revenge or vengence, like what to do, when and why you should use revenge magic (i think anyway).quote]
Except that I caution anyone from taking Huson as gospel. His ethics are a little loose.

[Acid09]

If your friend is expressing intent to actually harm anybody or thing including himself you should involve other people. If your friend is just trying to blow off steam, just let him and continue to be a supportive friend. Thats about all you really can do. Prevent him from actually killing anything and just be his friend.