the psychic challenge

[DoktorSick]

I figure this is a good place to post.Instead of going on and on debating
validity of psychic abilities.If you have claim to have psychic powers why do go done to your local police station and offer your services and or go to the post office and check out some of the wanted posters and see can you get a reading where any of these people might be and contact the police.
And then keep us posted on how things go.:abanana:

[Philosophia]

I figure this is a good place to post.Instead of going on and on debating validity of psychic abilities.If you have claim to have psychic powers why do go done to your local police station and offer your services and or go to the post office and check out some of the wanted posters and see can you get a reading where any of these people might be and contact the police.
And then keep us posted on how things go.:abanana:

From my perspective, its not as simple as that. Not all psychics are the same, and not all can do things like this.
Also, in Australia, police don't listen to psychics.

[aislin_ryann]

Unfortunatly, psychic abilities do not always work the way you like. If I could, I would be down there, helping out all that I can. And in some areas of the world, doing something like that just opens a barrel of sh!t.

[Mouse]

I think I prefer people being sceptic of psychics. Honestly, can you imagine what it would be like if people were trained to use their abilities as weapons?
Uh, no thanks.

Besides, who's to say people don't already use their psychic abilities to help out in some way?

I know that if someone walked into the cop-shop here claiming to be psychic and offering to help they'd be given a one-way ticket to the mental hospital. And yes, I've actually seen this happen.

[Necrosapien]

Agreed.

One shouldn't just go around advertising randomly. Now I've had psychic experiences, plenty of them to suggest their reality to me. Some believe, others don't, but I guess I don't feel the need to prove them to anyone other than myself, and that's already been done...

[DoktorSick]

"I think I prefer people being sceptic of psychics. Honestly, can you imagine what it would be like if people were trained to use their abilities as weapons?
Uh, no thanks."
How do know that people haven't been trained to do this?If psychic powers are in fact real there is a possible this is being done.

All i see is exuses.If don't want to got walking to a police I'm pretty sure there is anomoymous tip phoneline one could call.
I know people claim different degrees of psychic abilities for thoses that claim they do missing person or the escaped convict should step to the plate.
I was wondering the kind of response i would get when i asked this question. But I'm not suprised.Why is it that one minute oh psychic powers are real and then when it's time present some sort of example.Then the excuses start coming.

[Necrosapien]

Psionics can be used as weapons, check this guy out. He has a whole thing on psionic terroism.

http://www.geocities.com/c_cosimano/


I figure this is a good place to post.Instead of going on and on debating validity of psychic abilities.If you have claim to have psychic powers why do go done to your local police station and offer your services and or go to the post office and check out some of the wanted posters and see can you get a reading where any of these people might be and contact the police.
And then keep us posted on how things go.

"I think I prefer people being sceptic of psychics. Honestly, can you imagine what it would be like if people were trained to use their abilities as weapons?
Uh, no thanks."
How do know that people haven't been trained to do this?If psychic powers are in fact real there is a possible this is being done.

All i see is exuses.If don't want to got walking to a police I'm pretty sure there is anomoymous tip phoneline one could call.
I know people claim different degrees of psychic abilities for thoses that claim they do missing person or the escaped convict should step to the plate.
I was wondering the kind of response i would get when i asked this question. But I'm not suprised.Why is it that one minute oh psychic powers are real and then when it's time present some sort of example.Then the excuses start coming.

First off, I found your post to be antagonistic. Of course you aren't going to get a decent response when you project your feelings and emotions so much that I can pick up on them through your posts. You're not doing it because of an honest pursuit or even a skeptical pursuit on whether or not psionics/psychics are real. You're doing it because YOU don't feel that they're real and you're out to prove it to the world. So no, I don't respond well to intentional aggrivation.

And from looking at this original post, specifically:

"I figure this is a good place to post. Instead of going on and on debating validity of psychic abilities.

If you have claim to have psychic powers why do go done to your local police station..."

All I see you doing is coming out and criticizing. What was the original point of this thread? The forums are supposed to be a place for discussion and debate...so why make them a battleground?

And if you really want, I'm sure people would be happy to oblige you and keep you updated on their psychic development...or at least they would have been if you came across differently.

I don't mean to be rude, but I feel as though I was attacked. If you didn't mean it that way, could you please re-word it so I don't further take this as a giant insult and attack? I'm sure it might just be a misunderstanding that can be cleared up. :)

[Janus109]

Nercosapien,

This guy is the typical example of a skeptic turned cynic and now is comparing psychics to magic 8 balls ( see the Sylvia Brown thread ). Cynics such as him form facts based on their beliefs so it's impossiable to have debates with people like this. He's just throwing his beliefs around.

I personally think he's baiting people and he's enjoying doing so on a wiccan/pagan website.

[Necrosapien]

I felt the same way, but I figured I'd give him a chance. I don't want any problems, and if the guy were truly interested, I'd help him out. But from the feelings I picked up through his post, I felt as though he was insincere. Nonetheless, I'm giving him an opportunity to prove to me otherwise. If he's going to stay the same way, antagonising and whatnot, he's not going to be getting any help either from me or anyone else more than likely. I'm all for skepticism, but there's a difference between being skeptic and doing what I believe he is.

DoktorSick, the ball's in your court. Make your choice, friend.

[Philosophia]

All i see is exuses.If don't want to got walking to a police I'm pretty sure there is anomoymous tip phoneline one could call.

Not excuses, there reasons. This anonymous tip phoneline isn't that anonymous. If the police get the information, and found it to be correct, they will search for the caller.

I know people claim different degrees of psychic abilities for thoses that claim they do missing person or the escaped convict should step to the plate.

There are many different degrees and types of psychicism. Look it up a bit and find out more about psychics.

I was wondering the kind of response i would get when i asked this question. But I'm not suprised.Why is it that one minute oh psychic powers are real and then when it's time present some sort of example.Then the excuses start coming.

Because I've already shown you examples! See the other thread. As many have stated, its not as simple as pulling information out of thin air. Not all psychics can touch a poster and automatically images come. Thats not how it works.

[DoktorSick]

Psionics can be used as weapons, check this guy out. He has a whole thing on psionic terroism.

http://www.geocities.com/c_cosimano/



First off, I found your post to be antagonistic. Of course you aren't going to get a decent response when you project your feelings and emotions so much that I can pick up on them through your posts. You're not doing it because of an honest pursuit or even a skeptical pursuit on whether or not psionics/psychics are real. You're doing it because YOU don't feel that they're real and you're out to prove it to the world. So no, I don't respond well to intentional aggrivation.

And from looking at this original post, specifically:

"I figure this is a good place to post. Instead of going on and on debating validity of psychic abilities.

If you have claim to have psychic powers why do go done to your local police station..."

All I see you doing is coming out and criticizing. What was the original point of this thread? The forums are supposed to be a place for discussion and debate...so why make them a battleground?

And if you really want, I'm sure people would be happy to oblige you and keep you updated on their psychic development...or at least they would have been if you came across differently.

I don't mean to be rude, but I feel as though I was attacked. If you didn't mean it that way, could you please re-word it so I don't further take this as a giant insult and attack? I'm sure it might just be a misunderstanding that can be cleared up. :)
Well if you feel that about the post that's up to you.
But I feel this takes away from topic of the tread.I simply offered a suggestion for people who claim to have psychic powers.If you want to take it and run with it.Well that's up to you.

[DoktorSick]

Nercosapien,

This guy is the typical example of a skeptic turned cynic and now is comparing psychics to magic 8 balls ( see the Sylvia Brown thread ). Cynics such as him form facts based on their beliefs so it's impossiable to have debates with people like this. He's just throwing his beliefs around.

I personally think he's baiting people and he's enjoying doing so on a wiccan/pagan website.

This is cracking me up," a skeptic turned cynic". That's to funny.
But you are mistaken I'm not a cynic.It's just that I like to ask question
and I'm not going accept the same old answer that i heard time and time again.
And just exactly how am I throwing my beliefs around.When have I told
you not believe in psychics or whatever it is that you want to believe in?
You can say what you want about me personally but this is neither here nor there .And it still doesn't support the case for proving psychic ablities.
Maybe I should have said if you a particular kind of psychic works with missing person and or finding clues to help solve crimes then go to the police or call a hotline.But that's beside the point.So far in the 3 psychic threads that stayed active in.No one has yet to give me a reading or prediction,
That I could write and see if actually came true.
I even send message to a person that claim to be psychic that give free readings and so far I have yet to receive a reading.
But that's alright if they don't or can't do it that's so be it.I'll get over it.

"He's just throwing his beliefs around"
That's funny because I can't recall stating in any thread
dealing with psychics just exactly what I belief.
But I have said and I will say it time and time again
until proven otherwise.I have yet seen any evidence
to support the claim of psychic powers.
And i heard enough times what the various people don't
do so please explain exactly what kind of "psychics"
we have floating around here?what exactly do you do?

[Philosophia]

And i heard enough times what the various people don't do so please explain exactly what kind of "psychics" we have floating around here?what exactly do you do?

Theres another thread on this Forum that shows you what types...

[Lunacie]

"I think I prefer people being sceptic of psychics. Honestly, can you imagine what it would be like if people were trained to use their abilities as weapons?
Uh, no thanks."
How do know that people haven't been trained to do this?If psychic powers are in fact real there is a possible this is being done.

All i see is exuses.If don't want to got walking to a police I'm pretty sure there is anomoymous tip phoneline one could call.
I know people claim different degrees of psychic abilities for thoses that claim they do missing person or the escaped convict should step to the plate.
I was wondering the kind of response i would get when i asked this question. But I'm not suprised.Why is it that one minute oh psychic powers are real and then when it's time present some sort of example.Then the excuses start coming.

How do you know that psychics don't call these anonymous tip lines all the time?

You've said several times that you want proof, but then you say that it would be okay for them to call the tip line anonymously so proving that would defeat the purpose of being anonymous, eh?

[aislin_ryann]

How do you know that psychics don't call these anonymous tip lines all the time?

You've said several times that you want proof, but then you say that it would be okay for them to call the tip line anonymously so proving that would defeat the purpose of being anonymous, eh?

Well said.

And as I have said before, to other skeptics, it doesn't matter what "proof" we were to present to you, there would be someone somewhere who doesn't believe it, and that person may be you. There comes a point where you accept that there are always going to be skeptics and you stop trying to prove things to the world. I know what I know and I know what I believe to be true. You take what others say with a grain of salt, but you have to remember that other people probably feel the same and are only going to take your word with a grain of salt.

[Lunacie]

"He's just throwing his beliefs around"
That's funny because I can't recall stating in any thread
dealing with psychics just exactly what I belief.
But I have said and I will say it time and time again
until proven otherwise.I have yet seen any evidence
to support the claim of psychic powers.
And i heard enough times what the various people don't
do so please explain exactly what kind of "psychics"
we have floating around here?what exactly do you do?


What exactly do you want? Are you going to keep hammering at this until we all agree with you? Or are you secretly hoping that we will give you your proof?

[DoktorSick]

well I'll keep going until i get bored.
Or find something else to do.
hey no one is making you respond.

[Philosophia]

well I'll keep going until i get bored.
Or find something else to do.
hey no one is making you respond.

And nobody is making you respond either.
You want us to give you proof, yet fail to even consider anything we state.

[Necrosapien]

Well if you feel that about the post that's up to you.
But I feel this takes away from topic of the tread.I simply offered a suggestion for people who claim to have psychic powers.If you want to take it and run with it.Well that's up to you.

The "topic" of the thread consisted of you essentially attacking people, telling them to go out and do something if they had all these powers.

Here's the first thing you posted:

the psychic challenge
I figure this is a good place to post.Instead of going on and on debating
validity of psychic abilities.If you have claim to have psychic powers why do go done to your local police station and offer your services and or go to the post office and check out some of the wanted posters and see can you get a reading where any of these people might be and contact the police.
And then keep us posted on how things go.

You said yourself that the post was not for debating on the validity of said abilities. You entitled the thread "the psychic challenge". You state:

"...why do[sic] go done[sic] to your local police station and offer your services and or go to the post office and check out some of the wanted posters and see can you get a reading where any of these people might be and contact the police."

Now the whole purpose of the thread, in your words, is to challenge those who claim to have psychic abilities. As this is stated as a "challenge", I can definately see how people could take it the way stated. Which is why I suggested the possibility of rephrasing your post because it could be taken offensively. Perhaps you wouldn't be met with hostility if you were to rephrase this post. Perhaps something like this would be in order:

"I am skeptical of those who claim to have psychic abilities, namely strong abilities like those shown by police psychics, for example. Are there any members here who claim to have this degree of psychic ability? If so, I would be interested to know if you've attempted to aid the police with your abilities or tried to assist in missing persons cases. If so, how did it go? Was the person found/arrested? Was the information that you "read" about the case directly used in the arrest/find? If you haven't attempted to assist in these types of cases but have the ability to do so, why have you decided not to try to help?

Thanks for your responses"

You might get a better response. ;)

[Lunacie]

well I'll keep going until i get bored.
Or find something else to do.
hey no one is making you respond.

You didn't answer any of my questions.

Sounds like you just want to be entertained by debating about this.

[DoktorSick]

You didn't answer any of my questions.

Sounds like you just want to be entertained by debating about this.
Yeah it is entertaining to a certain a degree I wouldn't do it.
what's the point otherwise.
In addition to the entertain value I wanted to present an alternative point of view to the concept of psychics and especially Sylvia Browne.
And to put forth the idea that no matter what one beliefs or holds to be sacred nothing is beyond being questioned.

[Necrosapien]

And amazingly, up until this point you have never once mentioned her name in this thread. If you wanted to talk about her, why not ask a question or state your viewpoints and the ask our opinions?

And you never questioned anything. You just showed up, said (paraphrased) Go to the police stations or post offices. You never once mentioned anything about questioning.

So please DoktorSick, if you have anything you are skeptical on or have questions on, ask it instead of telling people how you think they should live their lives. This thread is pointless unless you have some specific questions.

I wanted to present an alternative point of view to the concept of psychics and especially Sylvia Browne.

If you wanted to present this point of view, would you please state it so that others can comment or voice their opinions?



Throughout all of this, I've failed to see the legitimacy of this thread. I've done my best to try to ask questions as to get to the bottom of this. So far, no questions have been asked, no opinions have been stated. All it has been is a big argurment. You have not yet attempted to "discuss" anything. People have asked, "What do you want," and you haven't even given them the time of day.

So now I ask you:

1) What questions about psychics do you actually have?
2) What about Sylvia Browne? What's the "alternate point of view" that you have of her? Is it something you like, dislike, agree, or disagree with?
3) What question did you ask when you said, " I was wondering the kind of response i would get when i asked this question. But I'm not suprised."?
4)Here's the only question I've seen by you in this thread: "so please explain exactly what kind of "psychics"
we have floating around here?what exactly do you do?"

Let me answer about myself, but I agree with an above poster who stated that if you were to look through the threads you might find out what type of "psychics" we have floating around here.

Q: "so please explain exactly what kind of "psychics" we have floating around here?"

A: I cannot speak for others, but my psychic abilities are mild. So no, I'm not of the "police psychic" ability.

Q: "what exactly do you do?"

A: My psychic experiences have included precognition, retrocognition, empathy, telepathy, remote viewing, and telekinesis. Please don't ask me what these are, there are plenty of threads here that cover that as well as a plethora of information on the internet. No, I cannot give you "proof" of any tangible sort. I can't tell you what you're thinking on a whim or tell you the lotto numbers. Nor would I wish to if I could.

Now, since you claim to want to have a discussion, let's discuss.

[Lunacie]

Yeah it is entertaining to a certain a degree I wouldn't do it.
what's the point otherwise.
In addition to the entertain value I wanted to present an alternative point of view to the concept of psychics and especially Sylvia Browne.
And to put forth the idea that no matter what one beliefs or holds to be sacred nothing is beyond being questioned.

Are you willing to question your own skepticism and admit the possibility that some of us actually do have psychic powers? Are you willing to look at our "proof" by having a reading done and admit that we may be telling you something that we couldn't have known unless we're really psychic?

[DoktorSick]

Sure go for it.I'm willing to give it a try.
Way is it when i asked before there was it was like
Since I'm skeptic about so called powers it didn't matter.
And now you are willing to be put to the test?
So are you open the possiblity that you are deceiving yourself
and you don't have any sort of psychic powers.
So what do i have to do to get this test reading ball
rolling?

[LadyCelt]

Maybe if you opened your mind a bit t the possiblities, you'd see psychic ability is possible. Inuition and that voice in your head can be the same thing, we just give it secular terms. I'm not some gifted prophet or psychic but I"ve predicted things and avoided things. The justice system hasn't worked in my favor before on secomethign totally mundane and secular like how I was abused, so what makes you think they'd listen to me if I had a vision on anything? They'd probably be even worse to me.

Just lek with faith and religion, proof of God or pyshic abilities aren't the same. There will always be skeptics giving things secular meanings due ot our world we live in undermining the role of spirituality.

I've stopped 2 rapes with people I was friends with due to dreams/visions I've had about it. I"ve avoided a bad car accident and I believe my fiancee is somewhat psychic cause it was avoided also by him. I've also known what people would say before they told me and gotten into their minds telepathically (but not on purpose.) A skeptic said it was just logic as to how I knew what she'd tlell me and her problems but its not just that. I'm not super gifted. I think everyoen may be psychic, we just don't listen to it and rule it out as nothing or being crazy talk.

Here's a task: prove to us that pyshic ability is not possible with legitimate proof instead of just playing the bad guy and making people prove themsleves.

[DoktorSick]

I was wondering when this was coming up.
open and see the magic so to speak.
Avoid problems is a product of using good judgment not
psychic ablitlies. Sure you might have a dream that you
could say meant something to you are a friend.But what about
all the other dreams that couldn't be used as warning?
When it comes to a psychic abilities whether it be: empathic, predictions,
remote veiwing,telepathic,esp etc etc.
It would appear that the more you believe it the more it works and the more critical and skeptic of it the less it works.If psychic powers where real
these factors should have no effect on a objective test of psychic powers.
Then you throw in the old standbys of the cold reading and retrofitting.These tricks have been used my so called psychis and magicans for centuries.Which to there being an explaination what appears to be psychic powers without the need for any sort of supernatural influence.
The Russians did test on psychics,the usa spent millions of dollars doing test on psychics,the L.A.P.D even did test on psychics.And there is the on going
test That james Randi does.And so far there has been no evidence to support
the claims of people possessing psychic abilities. There has been alot of time and money invested into possiblity of some sort of psychic abilities.If you want to believe there is a massive conspiracy or prejudice against that your right you believe that if you want but that's highly unlikily.
So you say you had personal experience so that's why you think you are psychic.Religion is full of people having a personal experience with something or another and that's why they believe in whatever it is they believe.
No amount of evidence could ever touch that.
Another thing that gets me is how not one psychic come to saying anything about sept 11. I have a serious problem with that.No amount of excuses or saying oh not all psychic can make predictions.Or afraid to be questioned by the government.If one could have predicted 911 and said something and was questioned by the cia or whoever.They would be able to prove they have psychics ablities.You may have made peace with yourself way your powers may have failed but I'm not going let that slip by.

[Lunacie]

<snip>
It would appear that the more you believe it the more it works and the more critical and skeptic of it the less it works.If psychic powers where real
these factors should have no effect on a objective test of psychic powers.

Likewise sugar pills should have no effect on pain or disease, yet placebos have been used with good effect in the annals of medicine.

Then you throw in the old standbys of the cold reading and retrofitting.These tricks have been used my so called psychis and magicans for centuries.Which to there being an explaination what appears to be psychic powers without the need for any sort of supernatural influence.

Which sounds like you're saying that because some people have fraudently claimed to have psychic powers than it follows that everyone who says they are psychic is a fraud.

So you say you had personal experience so that's why you think you are psychic.Religion is full of people having a personal experience with something or another and that's why they believe in whatever it is they believe.

No amount of evidence could ever touch that.

You're right, there is no way to prove there is a divine being or gods simply because someone has a personal experience with the divine. If you have not had a personal experience in tapping into your own psychic powers then there may not be any way to prove the validity of psychic powers to you either.

Another thing that gets me is how not one psychic come to saying anything about sept 11. I have a serious problem with that.No amount of excuses or saying oh not all psychic can make predictions.Or afraid to be questioned by the government.If one could have predicted 911 and said something and was questioned by the cia or whoever.They would be able to prove they have psychics ablities.You may have made peace with yourself way your powers may have failed but I'm not going let that slip by.

Perhaps a psychic somewhere (or even more than one) did predict that our country would be attacked by the air on 9/11. Perhaps no one paid any attention to them because they were skeptical of the validity of such a prediction. If someone had spoken out in the 24 hours following that attack and said, "See, I told you something like this was going to happen on the east coast in the month of September" you would probably respond that they could of course claim such a thing after it actually happened.

However, there is no central authority who is collecting these predictions to report on whether anyone actually did make that prediction. You seem to be saying that everyone who claims to have psychic abilities should have been able to sense that. I don't know about everyone else, but following the suicide of all those folks at the Branch Davidian temple in Waco and the bombing of the federal building in Oklahoma City (among other lesser incidents) - I spent the next few years actively shielding myself from feeling anything like that. It's only in the last couple of years that I've opened myself again to whatever information the universe cares to share with me.

[Necrosapien]

It would appear that the more you believe it the more it works and the more critical and skeptic of it the less it works.If psychic powers where real
these factors should have no effect on a objective test of psychic powers.

Of course the more you believe it, the more it works. When dealing with psionics or psychic ability, the mind is what's doing the work. If you don't believe you can do it, you won't be able to. The best explanation I've heard to tell if something is "psychic" is if it can be influenced by the mind. That leaves pretty much EVERYTHING. Anything can be influenced by the mind.

The sugar pill is an amazing example of what would technically termed as "psychic." There is no chemical/biological explanation of why one would feel better after taking an chemically inert substance, but it's happened many, many times. This would be an example of something that's obviously "psychic." It may not be Clarivoyance, telepathy, etc. but technically it's psychic as it's influenced by the mind.

Mabye you should look into Quantum Physics etc. That type of science is beginning to propose things that might blow open things such as magic (ritual, not stage), psionics etc. The fact of the matter is that there could be a reasonable explanation for it that we're just unaware of. It's happened all througout history. Someone sees something but doesn't have an explanation for it. As science and technology evolves, we discover the answers to some of those things once shot down by "modern" science. Even as far as my relative's high school education. They spoke about how man would never make it to the moon because of the current technology for transportation (which was the train). Now, because they had to be thinking in terms of the limits of their technology (and their minds, for that matter) they stated something that we know is just not true.

So, I don't really feel as though it's fair to shoot something down because we don't have direct explanations for it yet.

The Russians did test on psychics,the usa spent millions of dollars doing test on psychics,the L.A.P.D even did test on psychics.And there is the on going
test That james Randi does.And so far there has been no evidence to support
the claims of people possessing psychic abilities.

Then you obviously know about Duke University and their tests in the 1930's...as well as their results, which are in direct conflict with your above statement.

Another thing that gets me is how not one psychic come to saying anything about sept 11. I have a serious problem with that.No amount of excuses or saying oh not all psychic can make predictions.Or afraid to be questioned by the government.If one could have predicted 911 and said something and was questioned by the cia or whoever.They would be able to prove they have psychics ablities.You may have made peace with yourself way your powers may have failed but I'm not going let that slip by.

I know family memebers who had horrible feelings the day before the Sept. 11 attacks. No, they didn't know a bunch of radicals were going to hijack planes and slam them into buildings, but they did know that something bad was going on. They don't claim to be psychic or anything of the sort, but even they picked up on it.

The fact of the matter is, no one is going to be 100% correct 100% of the time, because we're human beings...not God(s/esses). But I definately support the concept of psychic phenomena, even if it's only 80%, 80% of the time...

I would like to say something concerning the actual thread yet again. No, we most definately don't have to agree, but there's a difference between looking at something with an open (but skeptical) mind and blowing stuff away before it's even given a chance. I'm not telling you to believe what I say because I say it. Get out there and do some real research. Look up the tests that Duke University did. Try and tear them apart, because the best way to attempt to prove something is to try do disprove it. I don't know what else to say to you, but I still feel as though you're asking for evidence and then not willing to even think about it. That's just close-minded.

[Lunacie]

Excellent post Necrosapien.


<snip>
I know family memebers who had horrible feelings the day before the Sept. 11 attacks. No, they didn't know a bunch of radicals were going to hijack planes and slam them into buildings, but they did know that something bad was going on. They don't claim to be psychic or anything of the sort, but even they picked up on it.

The fact of the matter is, no one is going to be 100% correct 100% of the time, because we're human beings...not God(s/esses). But I definately support the concept of psychic phenomena, even if it's only 80%, 80% of the time...

<snip> I don't know what else to say to you, but I still feel as though you're asking for evidence and then not willing to even think about it. That's just close-minded.

Yeah, that's how it was for me when the folks at Branch Dividian were killing themselves and how it was when Terry Nichols bombed the Murrow Building, I didn't know what it was but something in my gut was telling me that something terrible was about to happen. It woke me up and I was sitting watching television waiting for a breaking news bulletin.

So maybe I wasn't 100% correct because I couldn't tell exactly what was going to happen or where it would happen or who it would happen to... but I knew something was going to happen. Maybe if I had known any of the people who died I would have been able to tell more, like I could tell when my grandmother was dying and I was waiting for the phone call for a couple of hours before it came.

[Necrosapien]

Exactly.

Same thing when my grandpa was going to die, he had a heart attack. We got the phone call, and I knew that he was dead/going to die. I had a lot of peace about it, part of that may be because I was awakened in the middle of the night, but still a lot of peace so I went back to sleep.

Oh, and the people who felt something wrong before Sept. 11, are the hardcore fundie Christians in my family! 8O

According to them, we have a history of psychic stuff in our family. They think it's bad, I'm of a different impression. But anyways...

[~*Ginger*~]

Ok, first of all, I am a curious type, I ask questions.
Second of all, :lol:
The first post had me snickering.

Go to the police?
Go to the PO?
Looking for ways to be hit by a vibration, that tells you something deep in your being?

Nah, I haven't the time, gas, nor inclination to go somewhere, where crooks are located, on either side of the bars (that is funny [and, I'm also only talking local, not the whole system, though, I have my doubts to the sum of it all]).

Besides, the sum total of anything, that's come to me, is either personal, or geographical (and I'm not going into any of that with you, because it would take a while to type, and I have not the inclination, to do so).
*not being a smart@$$, just how I feel at this time*
But, I will say, they come in dreams, they come in feelings, they come in conscious 'flashes' & sometimes, other means.

Actually, I don't have a need to prove what I know to anyone.
Times, when I do share, either, it's taken as given, or I get a strange look, or a suprised look, perhaps even a time or two, a comment about an active imagination.

Do I call myself a phychic?
No, I call myself, 'me'.

Sure go for it.I'm willing to give it a try.
*snip*
So what do i have to do to get this test reading ball
rolling?

This is a tarot reading, for you, DoktorSick.

1. Your topic: The Chariot
2. That which challenges you: Ace of Cups
3. This is how you react or should react: 7 of Swords
4. Outcome: 3 of Cups

You are on a mission.
You are a lover of riddles.
You enjoy a well armed battle of wits.
Strong willed, and determined, a winner, you seem straightforward, yet are full of contradictions.
Be aware of repressing issues, or turning away from ideas that puzzle you.
Once you reach your goals (perhaps in understanding these things), keep searching, there is always more to learn, and accomplish.

You are being drawn along by a feeling, your emotions are on super charge, and you are at the start of an exciting adventure.
It may be uncomfortable at first, but do not avoid, or discount the intensity of your feelings.

Be aware of any dislusions of illusions, distractions.
Perhaps, this comes naturally to you.

You are looking out of eyes that have suffered a great heartache.
~

Hmmm...

Do you have a strongly felt reason, for the question you ask here?
Has something happened, that in a way, you feel might have been 'changed', if there had been someone around to sound a warning, even if the warning was one from a phychic?
Do you feel a loss of someone, or something, that could possibly still be here today, if someone had spoken the word on a listening ear?

Do you wish that there would have been someone there to let you know, that whatever it is, was about to happen?

If they had been, would you have been open to the message?



btw, I was making love, the night, & right before the towers were hit, so I don't consider myself even being open to anything else that may have been going on, in this world. So, I was totally shocked. My heart wept with the rest of the nation.

[semi]

On the other hand, Ginger, some people who claim to have "abilities" don't even know how to work a pendulum properly. 50/50 chance and they still get it completely wrong. Some people are simply delusional.

I have experienced psychic abilities that are real, Dr. Sick. And I've experienced others who believe they're doing something, but really are not. So here is a challenge for you:

Put up $100.
Randomly pick a 3-digit number.
Send this number to me or an admin here or someone else here that you trust.
Give the psychics here one chance to pick the number. If they pick it, you give that person $100.
No one gets more than one chance.
Each successive chance decreases the prize by one dollar. So one wrong guess makes the prize $99, two wrong answers make it $98, and so on.
Anyone picks the #, you send them the money.

This is truly a psychic's challenge. Not all psychics work this way, picking numbers, but some do. This is a call to your bluff. Accept?

[DoktorSick]

On the other hand, Ginger, some people who claim to have "abilities" don't even know how to work a pendulum properly. 50/50 chance and they still get it completely wrong. Some people are simply delusional.

I have experienced psychic abilities that are real, Dr. Sick. And I've experienced others who believe they're doing something, but really are not. So here is a challenge for you:

Put up $100.
Randomly pick a 3-digit number.
Send this number to me or an admin here or someone else here that you trust.
Give the psychics here one chance to pick the number. If they pick it, you give that person $100.
No one gets more than one chance.
Each successive chance decreases the prize by one dollar. So one wrong guess makes the prize $99, two wrong answers make it $98, and so on.
Anyone picks the #, you send them the money.

This is truly a psychic's challenge. Not all psychics work this way, picking numbers, but some do. This is a call to your bluff. Accept?

So let get this right a psychic is willing to do a test of there powers for $100 but won't take the james randi challenge for 1 million?
If you want to really call my bluff and take randi's challenge.
Anyone can guess and end with at least 30 or 40 bones.

[DoktorSick]

Ok, first of all, I am a curious type, I ask questions.
Second of all, :lol:
The first post had me snickering.

Go to the police?
Go to the PO?
Looking for ways to be hit by a vibration, that tells you something deep in your being?

Nah, I haven't the time, gas, nor inclination to go somewhere, where crooks are located, on either side of the bars (that is funny [and, I'm also only talking local, not the whole system, though, I have my doubts to the sum of it all]).

Besides, the sum total of anything, that's come to me, is either personal, or geographical (and I'm not going into any of that with you, because it would take a while to type, and I have not the inclination, to do so).
*not being a smart@$$, just how I feel at this time*
But, I will say, they come in dreams, they come in feelings, they come in conscious 'flashes' & sometimes, other means.

Actually, I don't have a need to prove what I know to anyone.
Times, when I do share, either, it's taken as given, or I get a strange look, or a suprised look, perhaps even a time or two, a comment about an active imagination.

Do I call myself a phychic?
No, I call myself, 'me'.



This is a tarot reading, for you, DoktorSick.

1. Your topic: The Chariot
2. That which challenges you: Ace of Cups
3. This is how you react or should react: 7 of Swords
4. Outcome: 3 of Cups

You are on a mission.
You are a lover of riddles.
You enjoy a well armed battle of wits.
Strong willed, and determined, a winner, you seem straightforward, yet are full of contradictions.
Be aware of repressing issues, or turning away from ideas that puzzle you.
Once you reach your goals (perhaps in understanding these things), keep searching, there is always more to learn, and accomplish.

You are being drawn along by a feeling, your emotions are on super charge, and you are at the start of an exciting adventure.
It may be uncomfortable at first, but do not avoid, or discount the intensity of your feelings.

Be aware of any dislusions of illusions, distractions.
Perhaps, this comes naturally to you.

You are looking out of eyes that have suffered a great heartache.
~

Hmmm...

Do you have a strongly felt reason, for the question you ask here?
Has something happened, that in a way, you feel might have been 'changed', if there had been someone around to sound a warning, even if the warning was one from a phychic?
Do you feel a loss of someone, or something, that could possibly still be here today, if someone had spoken the word on a listening ear?

Do you wish that there would have been someone there to let you know, that whatever it is, was about to happen?

If they had been, would you have been open to the message?



btw, I was making love, the night, & right before the towers were hit, so I don't consider myself even being open to anything else that may have been going on, in this world. So, I was totally shocked. My heart wept with the rest of the nation.


Interesting reading but it seems alot of stuff seems to be influence
by persistance on the various threads.
a mission requires to much preplaning and I'm more of spur of the moment type of person.And I don't like riddles ,I would prefer a good joke.
The reading in general just way to serious.

9/11 wasn't a real suprised to me.I mean you don't see arabs in the middle east buring americans for nothing.And the wtc was bombed in 93.It was considered a target.

[~*Ginger*~]

Actually, I haven't read " the various threads", didn't even read all of this one.
It was more for the reply that you'd asked for a reading, and it not being acknowledged.

I just wanted to play.
:)

Thanks, for letting me play.

[Lunacie]

Actually, I haven't read " the various threads", didn't even read all of this one.
It was more for the reply that you'd asked for a reading, and it not being acknowledged.

I just wanted to play.
:)

Thanks, for letting me play.

I think you can see why no one here has answered his demand for proof by giving him a reading. In your case the problem with the reading was that it was too serious. I'm sure he has a bag full of other excuses why the reading isn't on target.

I offered to do one for him on one of the other threads, charging him exactly what I charge at a metaphysical faire, but he didn't take me up on it.

Edited for clarity

[Necrosapien]

I think I'm going to duck out of this thread. The points and issues I brought up have been ignored. Others who have brought up points or issues have been shot down without real consideration.

a mission requires to much preplaning and I'm more of spur of the moment type of person.

Then you obviously don't care enough about the actual outcome of these tests and challenges you have put forth and thrown at the rest of the community. Without preplanning, you are allowing numerous variables that are uncontrolled because you refuse to "preplan" and thus allowing yourself any "outs" when something like ~*Ginger*~'s reading being accurate.

[~*Ginger*~]

Ahhh, I missed that Lunacie, my appologies.

As far as the 'preplanning', I don't think it relates to any type of mission that is preplanned, it's more a natural tenancy.

Of course, I am only human, human's naturally make mistakes.
:)

[semi]

Dok, I don't want to take the challenge. I'm not what I would call "psychic." But others are. And making it like a game or contest where someone can actually win something would make it fun and would actually put something at stake, even if just a few dollars. I don't really care one way or the other. Just tried to make it interesting and end a futile debate.

[DoktorSick]

I think you can see why no one here has answered his demand for proof by giving him a reading. In your case the problem with the reading was that it was too serious. I'm sure he has a bag full of other excuses why the reading isn't on target.

I offered to do one for him on one of the other threads, charging him exactly what I charge at a metaphysical faire, but he didn't take me up on it.

Edited for clarity
Damn right I'm not going to pay for something that is not real.
I don't have 20 bucks to burn.

[Lunacie]

I would never charge $20 for something that is not real. Never.

The few times I have done readings and found I could not connect with the readee's energies I did not charge them anything.

[semi]

A friend of mine does it that way. She reads Tarot and regular playing cards. Sits in a cafe and charges $20 for a read. But sometimes she's just not "on" and she won't take money for a sub-par read.

[Lunacie]

Yeah, even if I'm picking up something about a friend or relative of theirs - because that person or situation has been on their mind - if I can't give them information about the question they are asking, then I don't take their money.

[Lunacie]

"...we also have to leave our minds open
to embrace the great mystery of the world -
all those things we know nothing about.
Because if we do that
with an open and generous heart,
we might find the mystery embracing us back."
~Charles DeLint

[Tranquility]

Honestly, can you imagine what it would be like if people were trained to use their abilities as weapons?
Uh, no thanks.



The U.S. Military and CIA have investigated and Utilized Remote Viewing as a method of scouting areas. Don't worry, people are already exploiting things like this, and you know if our military is interested, there damn well better be something proveable about it.

[Drako3]

Theres no sense in getting angry at the author of this post he has already shown his ignorance in he challenge and his responses beyond that how can you take some one seriously when they dont take the time to atleast make sure that what they are typing atleast makes sense I mean I can understand spelling mistakes but leaving out whole words..


:rant:

[Diotima]

I have a Psychic talent, but have very little control over it.

I am a scientist by education, and know well that I can never prove my ability scientifically. Science is a method of finding out a great deal about the world reliably- as such, there are also many things that cannot be proven to exist scientifically.

Consider this: I have an ability to sometimes tell something about a person's true essence by looking into their eyes. Now, I could go and ask to be tested for my ability- some employers might find it an interesting recruiting tool, even if I can't control what I am going to See. Let's pretend for the sake of argument that my attempt to See the person testing me is successful ( I am a human and do not succeed every time). Suppose, that I saw that he is a psycho who has just concealed it well. Now, I tell honestly what I saw, because that would be all I can tell. Do you think he would admit that I am telling the truth?
Moreover, since I see things symbolic form (instead of a text saying something like "This person would have a great talent for truck driving if he ever tried), I am not often able to interpret my visions, not at least right away. I still could tell to the tester: "I saw a truck driving on a sunny highway and felt an air of success around it"- but the final interpretation would not depend on me. If my tester was a die-hard skeptic, he would never care to do work needed to interpret my vision but would just dismiss me as another crazy lady.