Sending back harmful energies....

[Sage Rainsong]

Okay this ihas to do with a conversation that I was having with a fellow magic practioner:

I have read that some people do not believe in sending back harmful energies to the sender. They believe that sending negative energies is a bad thing because the person on the recieving end of the rebound could hurt thoes around them. Some could get "caught in the crossfire." Another view that I heard is that return to sender spells are only okay if the person knowingly uses magic or energy work of some kind to harm you. If they are not magically inclined the person is at an unfair advantage.

SOOOOOO.......What do you think? Are return to sender type spells ever ethical? Why or why not?

[MysticWitch]

I dont believe in spell reversal

[Sage Rainsong]

I dont believe in spell reversal

why not?

[Shield_Wolf]

I beleive if some one is sending bad energy at you and you have the knowledge to send it back do it. Anyway how are you going to know if the person sending it to you is doing it knowing they are or not. If it efects some one else, or some one close to them well, maybe that's Karma.

[Garm]

I beleive if some one is sending bad energy at you and you have the knowledge to send it back do it.

Sometimes, it's just not worth the bother

Anyway how are you going to know if the person sending it to you is doing it knowing they are or not.

Takes a bit of experience, in my younger days I jumped the gun more than once. If it feels like something that is emanating directly from a person nearby and in real time, within eyeshot basically, I'll consider it as probably unintended. I know mistakes have been made about my intents, my annoyance and anger are not as concealable as I would like them to be. My friends have told me that when I'm upset, they can hear me screaming even if I keep my mouth shut.

If it efects some one else, or some one close to them well, maybe that's Karma.

And that is a cop out. I have been the perpetrator, victim, and the original missed goal of some very nasty side swipes and in my all too well informed opinion this is exactly the same ethical issue as is raised by colatteral damage in the more mundane types of fire fights.

Which is the reasoning behind my first response, sometimes it just ain't worth it.

[Shield_Wolf]

I understand all your point and your right, though was just some thought. And I wouldn't say it's a cop out at all, I have been hit by some missed backfires too. But then it just might be easier the Shield it then send it back if they don't mean it or what ever, you know.

[Garm]

I've been giving a lot of thought, or more acurately brooding, about such matters over the past few years.

It's one of those microcosm = macrocosm things.

There are issues about the use of force that cut across the board at so many different levels which haven't been raised in the current discourse on warfare.

When you're willing to accept colateral damage and collective reprisals you should pause and take stock of what the situation is doing to you.

[Rick]

Someone tryin' to harm me or mine? Nuke 'em, and let their gods sort 'em out...

[BlueMoon13]

Someone tryin' to harm me or mine? Nuke 'em, and let their gods sort 'em out...
I agree.Sending back negative energies is one of my specialities. I don't believe that if it's done correctly, it will result in "collateral damage", except possibly in the instance that the sender has designated someone or something such as their familar, to "take the hit" for them. I always take this into account when doing such work and place safeguards to insure the crap goes back to whnce it came. In the case of someone who is unknowingly sending out negativity or throwing the Evil Eye-a person known as a jettatura-wearing properly charged amulets representing an eye-which could be as simple as a bead-will harmlessly disperse the negativity. In the case of a purposeful shit-disturber,no mercy.

[Teresa]

Some of the shielding and protection techniques that I use automatically bounce it back to the sender.

[MysticWitch]

why not?

I duno? It just doesnt seem possible. Just like if you smacked someone across the face, can u take that back. The action already happened. I dont think you can just reverse a spell. Maybe you can. But I dont think so personally. :)

[arianrhods_daughter]

I duno? It just doesnt seem possible. Just like if you smacked someone across the face, can u take that back. The action already happened. I dont think you can just reverse a spell. Maybe you can. But I dont think so personally. :)

No but can you not deflect it and slap them in return?

[Renny]

If someone was casting spells against me, I'd do the same back to them. I believe they deserve it, and hope that it would teach them not to do that again heh.

I mean, I wouldn't just sit there and let someone send bad energy my way.

[RainInanna]

In my mind there are two options - either you are willing to harm others or you are not. Insisting someone tried to harm you first is justification akin to a child who cries "he started it".

Having nasty energy sent my way only gives me a reason to slap someone upside the head, not an excuse to do so. It doesn't make it ok if it wasn't ok to begin with.

[BlueMoon13]

Having nasty energy sent my way only gives me a reason to slap someone upside the head, not an excuse to do so....
Reasons don't need to be excused. People have to learn to reap what they sow.

[RainInanna]

I agree wholeheartedly :) All the excuses in the world are just brain fodder.

[Jessica]

I only bother sending the energy directed at me if simple protection doesn't cut it. I don't believe it's unethical. It's self-defence.

To protect the ones I loved and respected, or myself even, I would defend them with all my power - physically and magically. Regardless of the concequences.

In the case of a purposeful shit-disturber, no mercy.

I quite like that! lol

[kirimaia]

Thoroughly agree with ur assesment of the situation.

[kirimaia]

gotta respond again - getting used to this online thing, been in-forest for a LOng time (24 yr old now city only last 6) -the last three are correct, I refer to BlueMoon 13 in my primary connection, and RainInanna and Jessica's views encompass my own - if one is sending negative views, one must:
1st - rely on the rule of threefold, and
2nd - take into account their own personal circumstances ie. now i have children (2, young): as our family has sufferred repeated instances of EXTREMELY "bad luck" - whilst i dream arguments with a former friend wicca...I now feel justified to use return spells i previously viewed as unecessary..
xxto all

[semi]

Someone tryin' to harm me or mine? Nuke 'em, and let their gods sort 'em out...

Agreed!

[Theres]

eh, better just to 'not receive it' in the first place.
honestly, i see this kind of discussion so often and i always think "if you have the ability and strength of will to do these things then why not just refuse the package in the first place".

having said that however, i would have no moral dilemma about sending it back, nor do i believe in "magical crossfires".

[semi]

gotta respond again - getting used to this online thing, been in-forest for a LOng time (24 yr old now city only last 6) -the last three are correct, I refer to BlueMoon 13 in my primary connection, and RainInanna and Jessica's views encompass my own - if one is sending negative views, one must:
1st - rely on the rule of threefold, and
2nd - take into account their own personal circumstances ie. now i have children (2, young): as our family has sufferred repeated instances of EXTREMELY "bad luck" - whilst i dream arguments with a former friend wicca...I now feel justified to use return spells i previously viewed as unecessary..
xxto all


The "rule of threefold" is a concept, not a general reality. It's something to believe in and make real if you want to, but it isn't a universal law that affects everyone. I have never used it as a part of my belief system. Just saying.

[wolfjan1]

My best defense is to deflect the negative energy. To send it away by breaking it up so it might not harm another. A person who chooses to send out evil, angry energy will get it back eventually by someone or something stronger or possessing more evil than themselves. So why try to make myself a competitive target?

[BlueMoon13]

My best defense is to deflect the negative energy. My magical defense is to RE-flect the negativity back to the individual who sent it. To send it away by breaking it up so it might not harm another. To harm anyone, even those who are actively trying to harm you, is to some, just as bad, and would be as distasteful as to do the harming in the first place. It's not part of my practice or philosophy,but to each his own:hahugh: !

[mtpathy]

Emotion is a universal trait, in all cultures and societies it is basically experienced and seen the same,Because of this, seperating emotion
by slicing it into the idea of individuality is baseless and dosen't serve a
real purpose.
This vibration thats sent to you from another might be theres,but it becomes
yours when you define it and experience it through your percpetions, When
this happens it is no more the other persons emotion being sent to you, it is
now your emotions that your experiencing, Or it will be your emotions that
your sending to them if you choose to do so "sending back harmful energies".
At first glance someone sending you negative vibrations might seem like a
bad thing,but if you take a step back and let yourself experience the vibration
they've sent, you will see that it is your mind that creates the negative by
pulling away from the feeling your experiencing,and coloring that experience
through a emotional reaction.
You have infact created your own enemy by pulling away from,instead of
embrassing your fears.
Hell someone doing such a great thing, for me,i would personally send them
a thank you card.
:hahugh:

[mtpathy]

Yeah,right, I'll have to remember that the next time someone curses me to kill my pets, give me brain cancer, and set my house on fire. I just LOVE the vibration of bitter hateful people...._wedgie_ .

lol maybe you should ask yourself why your getting so many people
threatening to curse you with so many different things?
besides i wasn't meaning that in the literal sense of asking someone
"why does your heart hurt so much,please give me hug",while there
burning your house down, or punting your dog across the backyard.
how does someone give you brain cancer?

edit cause of misspelling :p

[Rick]

how does someone give you brain cancer?
Rap music :hahugh:

[mtpathy]

Nope, just one. Because he's an arrogant,drug and alcohol addicted,psychotic sack of crap?

In my ex-HP's case, by the brain filtering all the bullshit he pours in your ears, trying to find a kernal of truth or wisdom in it.:hahugh:

(BTW, he claims to have given brain cancer to 2 former coven members, caused numerous fires, and told me flat out he'd kill my pets. So, I have no intention of "experiencing" any energy he sends my way.)


alright ladies and gentlmen,thank you and good night!
exits stage left...

[Garm]

I have read that some people do not believe in sending back harmful energies to the sender. They believe that sending negative energies is a bad thing because the person on the recieving end of the rebound could hurt thoes around them. Some could get "caught in the crossfire." Another view that I heard is that return to sender spells are only okay if the person knowingly uses magic or energy work of some kind to harm you.

There seems a consensus that leveling an adversaries karma is an acceptable way to work. Now this is how I operate as well, but as I have said before this can present an ethical dilemma. So far I have kept the discussion abstract rather than specific and because of that I have failed to convey the gravity it I feel it deserves.

So now to some personal history.

About a decade ago I found myself caught up in a property dispute. At stake were couple of small public buildings of uncertain jurisdiction. Changes in land use, redistribution of gov powers, competing party affilation and beraucratic self expression had all conspired to create a mess which pitted a non profit agency based downtown against local community groups for the usage of these buildings. I was hired by the agency for maintainence and security work. All very mundane and at a point in my life when I had stopped practicing my more questionable arts. Very trivial arguements broke out between the agency and the locals and amongst the latter was a group that had been taught some very heavy African based configurations and were just looking for an excuse to try them out on somebody. I stayed nuetral for as long as I felt I could. But when the agency was thrown into disarray by the mother of one of my coworkers being killed in a car crash at the same time this group was putting out what looked like a spell I was faced with some very ugly possibilities and even uglier choices.

The main question was did these people just get away with murder?

To test, I selected someone working amongst them as the target for a death hex. I figured if he had the karma hanging over his head that I thought he did it would be adequate to kill him. I was frankly quite releived when he survived, and figured the auto accident was a random event. A few months later they started a campaign with me as the specific objective. I fired a general broadside blast just to get them off my back. But that turned out to be the move that led to the leveling of the balance and it became apparent that I had made a slight miscalculation. The next day the woman who had been teaching them their practice had her sister killed in a car accident.

OOOOPPPSSSS......

[zede]

i have no problem with giving back what someone sends to me intentional or not i don't do it with any malace just get what you give kind of thing.