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CleftOfLight
May 17th, 2006, 03:13 PM
Christokos=Mary is the mother of Christ.

Theotokos=Mary is the mother of God.

I came across these two words when I was reading about church history.Mainly between the Coptic Church and the Roman Catholic church.And I was just wondering what you guys and gals think.Also if you supported one over the other or not,or maybe you like both.

I'll go first....

I sapport Christokos,because God has always been and will always be.So since all things emenate from God how could mary be God's son.(Unless you believe Jesus and God are one and the same being,which I don't)
So it seems (for me) that Christokos is the way.
Plus it is very clear that Mary is the mother of Jesus the Christ.

Well can't wait to get some feed back.

CleftOfLight
May 17th, 2006, 03:16 PM
Christotokos is the word,in case you want to research.I can't believe I messed up the spelling.Grrrrrrr on me.

Agaliha
May 17th, 2006, 04:59 PM
I found some sites talking about Theotokos--

"Theotokos is a compound of two Greek words, θεος "God" and τοκος "parturition, childbirth." Literally, this translates as "God-bearer" or "One who gave birth to God." However, since many English-speaking Orthodox find this literal translation awkward; in liturgical use, "Theotokos" is often retained in Greek or translated as "Mother of God." This last is not precisely synonymous, as it does not have the same connotations of physical childbearing. Furthermore, "Mother of God" (Greek Μητηρ Θεου) has an established usage of its own in certain hymns, but especially on icons of the Theotokos, in which case it is usually abbreviated as ΜΡ ΘΥ (see illustration below)."
More: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theotokos (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theotokos)

I also know the title was bestowed on some Pagan goddesses as well (like Isis)

"The use of Theotokos was formally affirmed at the Third Ecumenical Council held at Ephesus in 431. The competing view (advocated by Nestorius, then Patriarch of Constantinople) was that Mary should be called Christotokos, meaning "Mother of Christ," to restrict her role to the mother of Christ's humanity only and not his divine nature."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theotokos (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theotokos)

And even more about it: http://www2.orthodoxwiki.org/Theotokos

I don't see why one would have to choose one of the other to use, as they are both titles of Mary. She's either "Mother of God" or "Mother of Christ".
But I'm not one to get into the details of it all, I perfer Theotokos myself, but I don't see Mary in a Traditional light.

shuvanilu
May 19th, 2006, 06:06 PM
Well, I don't think Jesus is God, i see them as different beings, so I'll go with Chistotokos. But really, I just call her Mary.---shuvanilu

Ninjakitten
May 20th, 2006, 01:42 AM
Well, since I believe Christ got his "technical Divine status" at his baptism (ie, that's when he recieved Divine authority, which technically, though not literally, makes him God), I have to go with Christokos. He was fully human when he was in the womb, even though his spirit was aware of much more even then.

Agaliha
May 20th, 2006, 01:44 AM
Interesting, I always saw the title "Mother of God" on Mary as a linkage to possible Goddess roots, which is why I perfered it. But now that I read the replies...seems as though it makes Jesus God, right? That when right over my head, lol. _inabox_

Meryln2k
July 28th, 2006, 08:52 PM
I tend to use "Mother of God" (Theotokos, Bogoroditsa) but that is because I consider Mary to be an avatar of Isis, hence the Goddess.

MariThorn
August 31st, 2006, 10:15 PM
It all depends on whether you see Jesus as God, ie the triune Christian God. If that is the case, then yes Mary is the Mother of God as she is the Mother of Jesus. However, if you do not see Jesus as divine at birth, then she is just another woman.

I personally believe in a trinity. I see the holy Spirit as the bridegroom of Mary, Jesus as her son, and as Jesus is also God she is the Mother of God.

That is why she is called the Handmaiden of God, the Mother of God, and other numerous appellations. This has caused many a split in Christian groups. Sadly in my opinion. She is the Mother and I call her Mother.

Marithorn

Lovehound
October 1st, 2006, 12:46 PM
They're ALL God to me, including Mary Herself. They ALL partake of the Breath of Life, the Holy Spirit, Inspiration.

So...just as a matter of conversational convention I say "Mary Mother of God" so I suppose that means "theotokos" but language is SO limited...