United States History & Charts

[business voodoo]

... don't know if this should go under history or astrology, but i'm going to start here ...
i've been researching the whole 14th Amendment thing ... e.g., the creation of a "citizenry" of the federal government of the United States (which changed the status of all of us from "sovereign Citizens" to "citizens of a federal government) ... and, of course, the Civil War ... where the South seceeded from the union for violation of the Constitution ... anyway, i would love if you astrologers would look at a couple of charts for me and give my your 'take' on the energy they represent (using 12 noon in Washington D.C.)... in chronological order ...

April 16, 1862 - Emancipation of the District of Columbia (the first "purchase" of citizens for the federal United States that preempted the laws and rights of 'citizens' and the State of Maryland).

February 25, 1863 - National Bank Act ... created the OCC and the monetary system of the federal government of the United States of America ... creating its own way to make wealth and control all the money of its "territories".

April 22, 1864 - The Coin Act ... notwithstanding the separation of church & state in the Constitution ... instituted the first money with the words "In God We Trust".

July 9, 1868 - The "Ratification" of the 14th Amendment ... the first amendment to the constitution that was not ratified pursuant to the provisions of the Constitution and created the federal "citizenry".

These are 4 dates and specific events that have completely modified the United States of America, transforming it from the energy under the 7/4/1776 Declaration to the codified legal entity it is today.

... ask questions ... so much information on this ... but i would LOVE to get your take on the energy of those individual acts ... even perhaps how they would relate to the 7/4/1776 chart ... kind of like starting a business and then several years later incorporating it ... personally, i love the 4/22/64 chart as it has a big ol' "W" in it ... and i wondered why they used that letter in the last election ... (not!).

thanks ... i also invite any discussion on the validity of any of these or other dates that have to do with the subject as well. For those that know, i have used the "emancipation date" instead of the Act of 1871, as the emancipation date is the precursor to the Act when the United States was first revealed as the newly reformed nation-state "corporation.

[PeatBog]

Great topic. I'm looking forward to seeing some charts for these dates. One question: weren't U.S. coins labeled "in God we trust" long before 1964?

[business voodoo]

you are soooooo right ... typo ... changed it to 1864 ... thanks for catching that ...

[KEishin]

I want to comment on this topic but I'm having a minor brain fry at the moment. (charts, charts everywhere! :awilly: ) I'll come back shortly.

[business voodoo]

breathe in and breathe out ... this subject isn't going anywhere, this is how i 'entertain' my mind and encourage its growth into more than dimension at a time! with all that mars/saturn stuff playing with your natal saturn ... i just can't imagine ... mines been in the 12th house retrograding for a while, so i'm pretty used to it and it only gets me frizzin' every now and then ... nice to know you are getting set for a bigger 'house' so to speak ! ! ! that's exciting. :cheers: time for a cold one!

[business voodoo]

ok, so this is where i am in researching this ... i've nailed it down to the following ...

the declaration of independence versus the "in god we trust" coin act
(dates: july 4, 1776, noon, philadelphia, PA; and april 22, 1864, noon, washington d.c.)

and

the constitution and the "ratification" of the 14th amendment.
(dates: september 17, 1787, noon, philadelphia, PA; and july 28, 1868)

my reasons ... the declaration of independence ... obviously, one of the biggest reasons for the declaration of independence was the freedom of religion. the coin act and the inclusion of the words 'in god we trust' was specificially requested for religous reasons ...
see: http://www.treas.gov/education/fact-sheets/currency/in-god-we-trust.html ... the breach of the separation of church and state was paramount to the descecration of the founding principles of america.

now then, if the declaration had been written that all men had the right to life, liberty and 'property' like some of the founding fathers had argued, then i would have attached significances to the 'homestead act' which also happened in 1864 ... where the federal government 'seized' all the property of the 'United States of America' from the states and began selling the property.

but, thinking about what is happening, especially with the christian coalition and the impact on our current government, i think the church/state is the one to focus on.


the constitution ... obviously our founding legal structure ... and then i've initially picked the 14th amendment because it is the amendment that basically never ratified and should not even exist. the post civil war congress did more shinanigans to approve that amendment, and many legal scholars still question its ratification. see, http://www.sweetliberty.org/fourteenth.amend.htm ... that is decent essay on the subject.

the other date in the running is the 1862 Emancipation of Washington DC Act (april 16, 1862)... the significance of this act is that the federal government, for the first time, had its own citizens ... which it basically bought. the people were not citizens of the state of either maryland or virgina, but bought and paid for citizens of the United States of America ... which completely disregards the Constitutional representative government of the people and the abombination of state's rights. Because this act was passed during the "Civil War Congress" kinda is making me lean back towards it vs. the post-war "ratification" of the 14th amendment.

As well, the Emancipation Act leads me to think about the fact that the government owned "subjects" ... not unlike a king (as in King George) and a colony (as in the 13 colonies) ... it attacks the very core of being american in that the "people" are sovereign with no king, ruler or other form of 'ownership' and there were indeed free.

both of these acts would raise the citizenship issue as it relates to the Constitution and the decsecration of the underlying principles of the Constitution ... and all we see around is this uproar over immigraton and citizenship. coincidence, i think not. ... and having lived through the last two presidencies, i think i actually understand why andrew jackson was impeached.

so, that's my thinking at the moment ... comments, especially on the Constitution and the two acts ... e.g., the 14th amendment and the 1862 Emancipation Act ... would be nice to dialogue more with others to see what you think about them!

something to think about this 4th of July weekend!

[Fluffmeister]

I've been reviewing a couple of books by Raye Robertson on this very subject! Her first is an e-book (though it's now available in print format too) called "Culture, Media and the Collective Mind".

The second - even more topical to this thread - is a small pamphlet called "Pluto, Chiron and a return to Thomas Paine's Common Sense". It's only $5.

Robertson argues that as the USA approaches its Pluto return (in 2022) it's now in the same phase as it was between 1752 and 1776 - at that time, pre-Revolutionary America was under the rule of two King Georges who were making a pretty bad mess of things and treating the citizens (or rather "subjects", as they were at the time) of America badly. She makes links to the current Pluto/Chiron cycle, where the USA has been ruled by another two "king Georges" - the two George Bushes.

A fascinating read - details from www.byjovepublications.com (http://www.byjovepublications.com)

[business voodoo]

always in sync, aren't you!!!!! much love and thanks for the info! we need all the help we can get over here!!!

and i was wondering what to do with myself with my family gone for the weekend and me here all alone ... you are the best!!!!!!

[PeatBog]

businessvoodoo,

Those are key dates in America's history. I don't have anything to add with my limited knowledge of astrology, but was hoping for a response from Keishin with her charts.

[business voodoo]

businessvoodoo,

Those are key dates in America's history. I don't have anything to add with my limited knowledge of astrology, but was hoping for a response from Keishin with her charts.


... hint, hint ... :viking:



yes, the more i've researched it, the more i've narrowed it down to these two dates:

no change on this one ....

the declaration of independence versus the "in god we trust" coin act
(dates: july 4, 1776, noon, philadelphia, PA; and april 22, 1864, noon, washington d.c.)

and

the constitution and the "ratification" of the Emancipation of The District of Columbia
(dates: september 17, 1787, noon, philadelphia, PA; and April 16, 1862, noon, washington, d.c.)

in as much as before the 14th amendment, the emancipation created "subjected citizens" ... e.g., replaced the free sovereign people with a citizenry bought and paid for to be subjected to the laws of a federal government rather than governed through the consent of the people under the constitution. basically, making a de facto "crown and subject" relationship once again!!!

crazy ... i'll be posting more as i get ready ... i'll be speaking on the subject 7/27 here in las vegas.

thanks for the 'bump' on the thread, peat!

[business voodoo]

update on the research ...

ok, i've narrowed it down to the following ... obviously, 7/4/1776 was the birth of the idea of the nation, but the 'union' under which we are living came into effect on march 4, 1789 in philadelphia, pa, after ratification of the constitution approved on september 17, 1787 (corrected from 1789).

so, i am using the date 3/4/1789 in philly as the energy imprint of our nation ... kind of like the 'incorporating date' of a company that had perhaps been doing business before then, but the official formation of energy under a corporate structure is the date it becomes "official" ...

i am still using the 4/22/1864 (washington DC) coin act as THE act of the congress that usurped (for lack of a better word) the constitutional energies of our country.

it is most remarkable in that in the coin act, the following: sun, mercury, pluto & MC are all contained in the element that is completely blank from the 1789 chart. when going from tropical to sidereal, they make the move to the empty element as well. quite remarkable.

in synastry, chiron from the Coin Act chart sits right on top of the 1789 Sun and Saturn. and the sun, MC, pluto & mercury are all contained in the 11th house of the 1789 chart.

i believe chiron is critical in asmuch as the kite formation of the 1776 chart, points to chiron, which is opposed by saturn ... the opposition happening in the houses of 'self' and 'others' ... interesting ... interesting ....

any thoughts?

[PeatBog]

the 'union' under which we are living came into effect on march 4, 1789 in philadelphia, pa, after ratification of the constitution approved on september 17, 1789.

How can it come into effect on 3/4/1789 ...after 9/17/1789?

it is most remarkable in that in the coin act, the following: sun, mercury, pluto & MC are all contained in the element that is completely blank from the 1789 chart. when going from tropical to sidereal, they make the move to the empty element as well. quite remarkable.

When's the next date where they're aligned like the 1789 chart? Maybe we'll be free again, lol.

[business voodoo]

:fpraise: so catch all my errors!!!! thank you!

1787 was the year of the constitutional draft adoption, 1789, the year ratified.

i think we are free whenever we choose it ... i don't think planetary alignment has anything to do with it!

[PeatBog]

i think we are free whenever we choose it ... i don't think planetary alignment has anything to do with it!

:clapping: That works for me. :-)