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Jenne
June 29th, 2006, 02:00 AM
When Your Dad's in Prison...

...you find yourself using the past tense with strangers and acquaintances while talking about him...no one wants to hear that shit.

...you sometimes forget, in the hurly-burly business of life, that half your heart was ripped away 2 years ago when they arrested him. Because he's been away long enough to be able to forget, until you remember, and then you can't forget for a long, long time.

...you find yourself angry for no reason, and then it occurs to you that this is the usual useless anger against the the government institutions that are supposed to bring justice and protection but have only wrought paranoia, persecution and impotence in your life.

...you get to drive 200 miles, each way, in the desert heat, where it's 100'F at 8:30 a.m. to go visit him. You get to stand in line with society's finest, most of them dressed in their Sunday best, because The Man(tm) says that women shouldn't dress like women and men can dress like WASPs. No bare arms; no bare legs passed the knee; no blue shirts or blue pants; no clothing that is body-conforming whatsoever. So stand in that 115'F heat for 2 hours, sweating outside in line to get in to that godforsaken hellhole, and then have your paperwork ready for those sonsofbitches to hem and haw over. It's worth it. Yeah, it is.

...you get to go through the grueling line, with a 5 year old and an 8 year old, and two hours later be told they can't see their grandfather, because you screwed up and didn't bring the right paperwork. So you get to go by yourself, instead of the whole family, wearing your men's shorts and men's shirt because it's against the law to dress like a woman in a man's state prison.

...you get to go through an agonizing process of putting shoes in a bin, putting your life in a small, plastic bag with $30 of loose change or $1 bills. You put your arms over your head and twirl. No drugs on me! You go through a metal detector, and hope to god you pass through. If you're like my aunt and have metal dental implants, you have to have a doctor's note stating such. Otherwise, no visit for you!

...you get a blacklight-visible-only stamp on the inside of your wrist, get your shoes back, get recorded by hand (after they already recorded you by computer), and then sent out into the yard, alone.

...you get a heavy metal door slammed shut behind you. The heat is incredible. The tower above you looms, as does the cage you are in. 75' of chainlink with barbed wire blocks out the sky. The heat bounces back at you. You walk 15 paces alone to the first gate. And you wait.

...you get to turn back, looking at those who'd just processed you, like you were a criminal too, and then you look up, hoping they see you, down there, in your man's clothing. As you reach out to touch the gate, it suddenly slams back, and then you walk through.

...you get to hear the slam of the gate shut behind you and walk an additional 15 paces to the next gate. You are still alone, still in the heat, with all 75' of the "cage" around you, above you, hemming you in. Your outside "cell" is 5' x 5'x 75'.

...you walk through the final gate as it opens automatically, and you walk slowly in the searing sunlight, with the haze coming off the blacktop, to the pod where your inmate awaits you. Blessed air conditioning greets you, as does more processing.

...you give the guard your id, your processing ticket, show him the possessions they've so generously allowed you to have, and then wait for him to unlock the door to the visiting lounge.

...you get to have nasty vending machine food that is apparently 125 times better than the slop they serve in the mess hall to the general pop. Everything is either $3.50, $3.00 or $7.00. Cokes are $.75, bottles of water $1.25.

...if you get in early enough, you get a nice table inside right away, assigned to you and your family. You pile up the snacks before the rest of the inmates' families buy them out of the machines. You line up at one of the 3 microwaves to heat them up. Fatty, greasy residue inside the microwaves speaks to the nature of the food everyone consumes with such gusto on these weekend days.

...if you get in early enough, and more people show up, you get to be shoved out into that 115'F heat, to concrete tables, assigned of course, with this black mesh awning overhead. The unlucky ones get assigned the one of the 4 tables without the awning.

...if you get in late enough, you get the early birds' tables, but less time with your inmate.

...you get to have your poloroid picture taken, for $3 at the cost of the inmate, with your loved one. You can take the photo to WalMart and have them blow it up so it looks "better." You can also take it to a service that chops out the prison background and prison id on the inmates' clothing and puts you in paradise, a brand new car, or on vacation.

Like it never happened. Like it's just an awful, horrific dream from which you'll one day awaken. You didn't get those swollen ankles from sitting outside in the heat for 2 1/2 hours, eeking every second out of your visit. You didn't spend $60 on crappy vending machine food, or $75 in gas to get there and back. Those flies and gnats on your windshield...they don't exist.

The pain, when you hug them goodbye, when your heart stabs you with every beat as you leave them behind. It's not there. It never was.

It's just a nightmare.

Go back to sleep.

BlackMagicalCat
June 29th, 2006, 03:04 AM
Bless your heart,May your heart be touched from above,and the heart of the one you love also.

SilverClaw
June 29th, 2006, 03:53 AM
Some of that reminded me of my dad and then an ex boyfriend and over all I just want to cry now...

Scarlettvixen
June 29th, 2006, 05:16 AM
:hugz: hun

Xentor
June 29th, 2006, 05:21 AM
:hugz:

Sennefer
June 29th, 2006, 05:40 AM
:hugz:

MammaStar
June 29th, 2006, 08:02 AM
weird how reading that just reminds me of when I used to visit my soul brother Spence. He's in Federal prison down in Illinois. I used to sit at one of the outdoor tables listening, cause it beat being inside.

*hugs*

Jenne
June 29th, 2006, 12:33 PM
Some of that reminded me of my dad and then an ex boyfriend and over all I just want to cry now...

Well, then you'll know I only posted about a tenth of what it's really like. My stomach was flip-flopping the whole time I typed that.

:hugz:

I think NO one really knows how it is, til they've been there.

SilverClaw
June 29th, 2006, 12:53 PM
Yep I agree, since reading this post, I hav ebeen having a lot of flashbacks and one thing I remember is the fact that you feel like a prioner to... that horrible closed in feeling and tightening feeling of your heart, worried whether or not they will be a live the next day or if you will get a call etc etc. :hugz:

Astara Seague
June 29th, 2006, 12:55 PM
I have been there I had a couple of ex's in there {dont know now why I even went to see them} as I read your thoughts the pit in my stomach how I used to feel all came rushing back, I cant imagine what it would be like to see my Dad there
:hugz: for you


Yep I agree, since I have been having flashbacks of things since reading this post, one thing I remember is the fact that you feel like a prioner to... that horrible closed in feeling and tightening feeling of your heart, worried whether or not they will be a live the next day or if you will get a call etc etc.
that and everybody seems to be staring at you from the line to the waiting room to the visiting room_inabox_

SilverClaw
June 29th, 2006, 12:58 PM
that and everybody seems to be staring at you from the line to the waiting room to the visiting room_inabox_ Yep there is no escape it is like you are on display ..... Emotions for all to see, whether you want them to or not. Whether it is other visitors or the cameras...

Astara Seague
June 29th, 2006, 01:00 PM
exactly and for me making up stories to tell my friends and family as to where they are really at

SilverClaw
June 29th, 2006, 01:11 PM
Ya or in my case my dad told everyone a different story as to why he was in there and I had the lovely job of breaking it to my family that he was full of sh--. and that was just 6 years ago before my wedding I had to do that and my grandma died and do not know if she ever knew the truth.

SSanf
June 29th, 2006, 05:16 PM
You have exceptional writing talent.

May we have permission to re-publish that?

If makes even one man stop and think before he puts his child in such a situation it is worth sending to all we know and publishing where we can.

JamieL
June 29th, 2006, 05:28 PM
I feel like sobbing...my dad was in prison for 5 years. He wasn't able to hold his grandson while he was in there. He wasn't able to be there for my graduation, the birth of my son, my wedding. Then when he did get out he still wasn't able to be there for the birth of my daughter, of my other son. Probation says he's not to be around anyone under the age of 18. Even supervised. 21 more days and he legally gets to see my children.

Your story was touching. I can relate. :hugz: to you.

SilverClaw
June 29th, 2006, 05:58 PM
Probation says he's not to be around anyone under the age of 18 For my dad it was 19 unless supervision with another adult, which really made things awkward for me for the longest time afterwards.

Jenne
June 29th, 2006, 06:08 PM
Thanks, Ssanf, you have my permission. But my dad is my hero--he kills himself daily from the inside realizing what this has done to his kids and grandkids...he's innocent of what they charged him of. His main offense is stupidity and gullability.

I'll answer more later.

:hugz: for all the btdt.

WokeUpDead
June 29th, 2006, 06:19 PM
All that and some people still get the impression that prison is like summer camp?

:hugz: Sounds tough

SilverClaw
June 29th, 2006, 06:21 PM
The local Prison here is called the Ritz Hotel becuase they get tvs and alot of other crap. It is like some of them are on easy street and why they reoffend so that can go back up there and not have to be responsible for anything.

MammaStar
June 29th, 2006, 10:53 PM
i remember when I went to visit Spence up in Sandstone. I was going through a really rough time, and I was so happy to be there to see him and talk to him. And i was upset, and he put his arm around me and the guards yelled at us. Spence almost got thrown in the whole, cause he talked back to the guard. My last day there, he rushed through the check and made it out to the yard to walk the fence as I left. My heart breaks with every phone call and every visit. He's coming home soon and I can't wait for him to start his life over again.

StephanieAine
June 29th, 2006, 11:06 PM
Ugh - I sympathize with you! I remember going to visit a jail on visiting day... I only visited maybe six or seven times, but the memory will always stick with me. The person I visited was released and ended up on probation, but he never did get his life cleaned up... he ended up losing everything... everything that was really important, anyway. I don't know why he made the choices he made, especially after that experience of being locked up. After that time, and after violating probation a few times, he ended up being re-arrested, but at that point, it was long after I was gone. That time, it was a federal arrest, and he ended up going to federal prison for about a year. The last I spoke to him, it seems that he still didn't change his ways. I really thought that those experiences would wake him up... but I guess he wasn't very affected by it for whatever reason.

Hang in there... I know it's a terribly painful thing to care about someone who is in that situation. There is so much suffering involved. It's terrible to be separated from people that way, to have to sit behind glass, and especially to have to leave them there at the end of the visit. I'm sorry you're going through this.

SilverClaw
June 29th, 2006, 11:07 PM
and he put his arm around me and the guards yelled at us. Ya that was something else I was thinking about earlier today, it is bad enough you lack that closeness with someone, but holding hands on the open table, no hugs longer then a brief few seconds was always hard. ( this is regarding my ex boyfriend not dad)

Jenne
June 29th, 2006, 11:46 PM
i remember when I went to visit Spence up in Sandstone. I was going through a really rough time, and I was so happy to be there to see him and talk to him. And i was upset, and he put his arm around me and the guards yelled at us. Spence almost got thrown in the whole, cause he talked back to the guard. My last day there, he rushed through the check and made it out to the yard to walk the fence as I left. My heart breaks with every phone call and every visit. He's coming home soon and I can't wait for him to start his life over again.

That's so awesome. I'm glad he gets to come home. I hope the two of you can get some support for dealing with the emotional aftermath. I'm going to start talking to my mom about it. Once my dad gets out, they'll both need some emotional downtime to get him through whatever PTSD he now has.

My dad's scared shitless, you can see it in his eyes. My dad's not an animal, he's a normal joe, who got caught in a political maelstrom with his pants down. While inside, he's been searched, beaten up, pepper sprayed, blackmailed...it goes on. He got 15 years for shit he didn't do. It boils my blood just thinking about it.

All the small deprivations that add up are what get me. Being ripped from your family and never able to vote or really hold down a job again are just part of it. The tip of the iceberg, really. The rest of it is the drip, drop of acid that eats at your soul. The little things like the mail restrictions, the visit restrictions, the food restrictions, the phone restrictions, the contact restrictions. My dad didn't murder anyone, didn't take anyone's life or even REDUCE anyone's life. But his is gone. Everything he knew and loved about his life, gone. He has his family, true, but what price we pay to just see him for a few hours in blistering heat. What price he pays in enduring long hours alone, or sweltering hours in the heat to stay healthy, or inedible meals, or inmates who are hostile and would just as soon kick his ass as look at him.

50 years old, and he's rotting away. Except, really, he's not, and this shows the measure of the man he is. True, the state of CA have taken a perfectly sane, healthy, productive individual and honed his animal instincts to a sharp blade. Self-protection is is main byword. But damn if his spirit is even stronger than it was when he was a mogul. Damn if he is hellbent on NOT letting this experience embitter him and take away any future joys he may have in store.

Some inner part of him knows that if he buckles, if he breaks, then it's over. He's been to that point, and he's bounced back. With faith, love and godonlyknowswhat that's in his makeup that makes him the hero he is. I'm so proud to be his daughter, for this reason if for no other.

My original post here in this thread was more about me than about him. The suffering you go through as a family member...it's so excruciating. The pain never stops, never lessens, just inures you really. We've been beaten down and beaten back so many times, it's hard enough to rally. Watching my dad deal with this is a lesson in humility for me. I get upset just reading his letters or even writing them. I'm an emotional wreck after talking to him on the phone or visiting him. The sheer fact of his lack in my life sears me, here *points to the heart* so that I lose breath for a while.

To be him, where he's at, it's unimaginable. The things he's gone through and will go through boggle and bring terror. The unspeakable and unbelievable has happened, and yet I still struggle to deal with it and internalize it to the point that it's digested and accepted.

It IS a nightmare. A living, friggin' nightmare. I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy, and that's the bob's honest truth.

SilverClaw
June 29th, 2006, 11:50 PM
Hey Jenne :hugz:

You know something else I never thought about is my mom I guess could fit in this category to. Meeting my mom for the first time when she was out of jail when I was 7 was weird... Sorry Jenne reading your last post just caused me to remember that I do not know why I did not think of it sooner.

MammaStar
June 29th, 2006, 11:56 PM
That's so awesome. I'm glad he gets to come home. I hope the two of you can get some support for dealing with the emotional aftermath. I'm going to start talking to my mom about it. Once my dad gets out, they'll both need some emotional downtime to get him through whatever PTSD he now has.

He's worried about it. I told him that he needs to ease back into life. He wants all this stuff all at once and I told him that it's going to take time.


Some inner part of him knows that if he buckles, if he breaks, then it's over. He's been to that point, and he's bounced back.

Spence has said that to me. He would say "I'm never gonna let them break me." He went in, an innocent (kind of) happy 20 year old. A sweet loving hippie boy with a big heart, that took a wrong path in life and had to pay. Spence never denied he had to pay for what he did (he sold LSD), just thought the sentence was a bit too long. His son has grown up for 10 years without him. They're strangers to one another now. He's lost almost everyone from our old group of friends. Everyone but me. He barely speaks to his family. Your dad is lucky he has you all. Keep on being there for him. :hugz:

Philosophia
June 30th, 2006, 12:07 AM
Not much I can say since I haven't been in that position, but know that I support you.
:hugz:

Jenne
June 30th, 2006, 12:11 AM
Hey Jenne :hugz:

You know something else I never thought about is my mom I guess could fit in this category to. Meeting my mom for the first time she was out of jail when I ws 7 was weird... Sorry Jenne reading your last post just caused me to remember that I do not know why I did not think of it sooner.

No worries...:hugz: I'm glad people are sharing their experiences. It makes it easier, somehow.


He's worried about it. I told him that he needs to ease back into life. He wants all this stuff all at once and I told him that it's going to take time.



Spence has said that to me. He would say "I'm never gonna let them break me." He went in, an innocent (kind of) happy 20 year old. A sweet loving hippie boy with a big heart, that took a wrong path in life and had to pay. Spence never denied he had to pay for what he did (he sold LSD), just thought the sentence was a bit too long. His son has grown up for 10 years without him. They're strangers to one another now. He's lost almost everyone from our old group of friends. Everyone but me. He barely speaks to his family. Your dad is lucky he has you all. Keep on being there for him. :hugz:

Wow, that's rough. I know why the guys in there have such a huge return rate: that place messes you UP. You're no good for yourself, for society, for your family, and if they all turn on you and no one wants you, why the hell not go back in?

Thanks, MS...yes, we are here for him...always.

SilverClaw
June 30th, 2006, 12:38 AM
No worries...:hugz: I'm glad people are sharing their experiences. It makes it easier, somehow. Thanks :hugz:

Scarlettvixen
June 30th, 2006, 06:42 AM
:hugz:

Earthy
June 30th, 2006, 06:38 PM
:hugz: Jenne.

_Banbha_
June 30th, 2006, 09:26 PM
:hugz: to you Jenne

I've read some eloquent posts by you in Political Pagan about your Dad and his incarceration, the ordeal family members must endure on visiting day is wretching.

Thank you for sharing a perspective so often lost in political rhetoric. Reality just hit me like that swinging steal door.


All that and some people still get the impression that prison is like summer camp?


I just thought this bears repeating. :hugz: