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Fluffmeister
June 30th, 2006, 08:37 PM
David Bowie - remember him? Probably not unless you're of my generation! He first shot to fame the year of the Apollo Moon landing with a single called "Space Oddity" (this was a pun on the film "2001", subtitled "A Space Odyssey", released the year before). He was always a rather outrageous figure - probably the first rock star to proclaim that he was gay (though he's actually bisexual).

His outrageous views came to the fore in 1976, when he gave an interview praising Hitler, saying that he (Bowie) would make a great fascist leader and that Britain would benefit from a fascist government, and was photographed giving a Nazi salute. This was at a time when the far-right "National Front" were starting to gain some prominence in the UK - they have a record of violence against black people, Jews and gays, so Bowie's support for them was pretty shocking. His words to a Swedish journalist were: 'As I see it I am the only alternative for the premier in England. I believe Britain could benefit from a fascist leader. After all, fascism is really nationalism.'

His far-right views also can't sit very comfortably with the fact that he is currently married to an African-American woman.

Anyway, enough of the potted history - he's pretty much slipped into obscurity in recent years, until last month. After two years of being almost invisible, he made a surprise reappearance in the UK on stage with Pink Floyd legend Dave Gilmour (see link here: http://www.lse.co.uk/ShowbizNews.asp?Code=AF312643W&headline=david_bowies_live_return)

I wondered what was happening in his chart - and discovered that the very day of the reappearance was his exact Saturn return (the Saturn return occurs every 30 years approximately - Bowie is now 59). He's also got transiting Chiron right on his Ascendant!

Saturn is about issues from the past, and reconciling them - the start of a new 30-year cycle. His ill-fated remarks supporting the far right happened 30 years ago - close to his first Saturn return.

I think we may be hearing more from Bowie over the next year - that this new Saturn return of his will bring up this past history so that he can deal with it. His remarks 30 years ago were at a time when he was heavily involved in drugs (by his own admission he was "living on a diet of milk and cocaine") and I think he regrets his earlier extreme fascist views.

proxieme
June 30th, 2006, 09:30 PM
As so often happens with these threads, I've nothing constructive to add.
I can only say that I find this very interesting.

And I, born in 80, know who David Bowie is :D
How can anyone forget the Androgynous Alien ;)
Though I'm willing to bet that most of my generation will know him better as the Goblin King.

Amber Wynd
June 30th, 2006, 09:50 PM
Thanks for posting this. I'll have to send a link to this thread to my daughter. She was born in 84 and is the biggest Bowie fan ever. In fact, she has one of the most visited Bowie fan sites on the internet. I think you'd be surprised at the huge following of young people he has.

business voodoo
June 30th, 2006, 10:55 PM
fluff ... thanks!!!!!!!!!!

i'm a die hard bowie fan ... i loved his 'i'm afraid of americans' (a response to the beginning of ... what i believe will end up being world war iii ... more particularly our war against iraq under george the first) ... among other things (really obscure music like the tin machine project) over the last decade. but, perhaps the BIGGEST thing he has done in his 50's has been to recoup and recover almost all of his master recordings and he handles completely his own touring ... he has been doing what in the music industry calls '4-walling' venues and, thus, receives all of the profits. quite the pioneer for doing that ... so perhaps more behind the scenes stuff for him, but in terms of the business of music, he's been very active, visible and busy ... just perhaps not outside the business trades though.

definitely setting himself up to start doing some real widespread musical/on stage work, though ... wonderful to hear he and gilmour got together ... the music has got to wake up this planet we are on, don't 'cha think!!!!!

MonikaNZ
July 1st, 2006, 06:36 PM
What programme did you use to do David Bowie's chart?

Fluffmeister
July 1st, 2006, 10:31 PM
What programme did you use to do David Bowie's chart?

Solar Fire v6 - link at http://www.alabe.com/sf6deluxe.htm

The style of wheels is totally customisable.

KEishin
July 2nd, 2006, 06:13 PM
Actually I *do* remember David Bowie, hmmph. ;) Mostly listened to his stuff from the late seventies (but who can forget his role in Labyrnth? - loved him!)

I find it interesting the number of "outrageous" celebreties with Saturn in Leo - Bowie, Elton John, Arnold Schwarzenegger and Bill Clinton. You really can't keep 'em out of the spotlight, probably because of that need to be admired.