Could it be... conflict causers = psychic vampires?

[TheWomanMonster]

I just had a thought and I was wanting to share it.
Not sure if this is the place, but I'm a pretty new Pagan myself.

Could it be, that those who seem to thrive upon causing conflict (both in real life and online) are actually some form of psychic vampire?

I've noticed a lot of posts (here at MW and elsewhere) that seem to be people trying to cause problems or generate very negative feelings. I'm talking personal attacks, 'this is so sick' links and that sort of thing.

I just thought... what if they feed off the negativity that they generate in the world? as opposed to more 'traditional' notions of vampires that feed off of the lifeforce or blood.

Does anyone else share my theory or have any insight or comments??

Monster.

[semi]

Well, so what if they do feed off the negativity? Others feed off positivity.

I think the "this is sick" links are sort of like a car crash and the way people slow down to look at them. Is it feeding? I don't think so.

And people who intentionally attack others online may be feeding on the negativty, or may be genuinely angry and attacking the other person as a means of expressing this anger, or may be inadvertantly revealing their own disfunctions (it seems to me that the more bitterly sarcastic and aggressive attempts to hurt are the ones that most expose the attackers own inadequacies and unhappiness).

Just my opinions.

[TheWomanMonster]

I think the "this is sick" links are sort of like a car crash and the way people slow down to look at them... *snip*
it seems to me that the more bitterly sarcastic and aggressive attempts to hurt are the ones that most expose the attackers own inadequacies and unhappiness.

I've got to agree. Especially with the part about the trouble starters exposing their own issues and faults.
I'm just thinking that if the world does indeed have beings which feed off our energies (both negative and positive) that the internet is a real feeding ground for them as so many people are constantly interacting. In a way it could be dangerous to get mixed up with them, especially if you're oblivious to their exsistance, one can only give and take so much without reprecussions.
Thanks for your thoughts Semi.

Monster.

[semi]

Thanks for starting a thread that inspired me to think.

[CelticMoon11]

Either that or they just like stirring the pot when things are slow

[Xentor]

Either that or they just like stirring the pot when things are slow

Or they just like to cause problems. :p

The internet is a good conducting agent for energy. The whole thing exists by the power of energy. It's relatively easy to make contact to someone across the world. The benefit any psyvamp has, is that there are so many people from whom to leech. The benefit the victims have, is that they are just one in a million.

So yeah, those who cause trouble just might be psyvamps waiting for people to get outraged. We've had members like that.

But most of the time they just like conflict. Keeps them busy, makes them think, gets their point across.

[Xirian]

I do agree with much of what's been said here, especially this:

Either that or they just like stirring the pot when things are slow
I don't know that I'd call them psychic vampires though. Just pot stirrers. I don't feel that they are actually here to suck the energy from someone. But I could be wrong.

I think the people that I'm talking about above just forget what the conversation/argument is about anymore, it becomes more about saving face or winning. They stop really thinking and start reacting emotionally, but they can't see it sometimes. I sometimes don't think they can help it. I don't believe they are always normally psychic vampires, but I think they just get riled up. This usually happens when a person becomes bull-headed or stubborn and stops thinking in an open-minded way (I am the same way sometimes as well), and decide that others aren't responding to them as they wish and that others are dumb and they are the only smart ones. I find this usually with young females or males under the age of 45. People get invested in their points of view and can't see anything else sometimes.

Which I don't think anything is wrong with that, but it does take a lot of energy to do this, and if you don't have all of the energy within yourself, it has to come from somewhere right?


I'm talking personal attacks, 'this is so sick' links and that sort of thing.
As far as the "this is so sick" links, kids will be kids, and I'm not talking about age here. I just think this is something that some people just can't resist sometimes.


Does anyone else share my theory or have any insight or comments??
I do think there are psychic vampires, but I shield myself well, most of the time and seem to only encounter these types of people face to face. I know that they are online, but I find it rare that they are on pagan forums, but that's just my take on it, I know others see it differently. There are those that seem to always be attacked by them. But in any event, I believe that energy is what they are after. Some know they are doing it and some don't.

In a way, we could all be considered psychic vampires. During our rituals, even though we ask for it, we are trying to gain or manipulate energy that isn't ours, whether it be for negative or positive reasons. Sort of goes back to the point that semicivilizedman made.

[Penthesilea]

Are there psychic vampires on Mystic Wicks? Yes, there are. Some of them are ethical and some are not. Unfortunately, most of the ethical ones have left. And the unethical predators that remain will drain you like a drink box without a second thought. And they aren't the ones you would suspect. There are also attention junkies and people who get off on spreading misery. I would advise you to be careful in any online situation, not just Mystic Wicks.

[Garm]

I just had a thought and I was wanting to share it.
Not sure if this is the place, but I'm a pretty new Pagan myself.

Could it be, that those who seem to thrive upon causing conflict (both in real life and online) are actually some form of psychic vampire?

I've noticed a lot of posts (here at MW and elsewhere) that seem to be people trying to cause problems or generate very negative feelings. I'm talking personal attacks, 'this is so sick' links and that sort of thing.

I just thought... what if they feed off the negativity that they generate in the world? as opposed to more 'traditional' notions of vampires that feed off of the lifeforce or blood.

Does anyone else share my theory or have any insight or comments??

Monster.

There are some, definitely.

But the greatest input towards conflict stems from a mutation/metathesis of our basic survival drives, fear and agression.

When humanity reached the abilty to think its way out of its problems these became redundant.

We don't really need that crap anymore.

And that old, archiac part of ourselves, which is part our minds, knows this. The reptilian stem, where these are embeded, has acsses to to the higher conciousness of the cerberal cortex and after its own fashion can understand that it's interests no longer coincide with our own.

That sort of atavism has it's own survival to worry about because they represent a service we can do without.

So it/they/whatever [I'll go with the classical term Arhiman] seeks to create the circumstances, and it has a powerful synchronistic vortex at its disposal, to perpetuate it's own exsistence.

I know this will be controversial, perhaps unduly provocative

But the :deviltail made me do it

[DocBruce]

In a way, we could all be considered psychic vampires. During our rituals, even though we ask for it, we are trying to gain or manipulate energy that isn't ours, whether it be for negative or positive reasons. Sort of goes back to the point that semicivilizedman made.

I have to disagree on this point.

All workings that I do come from me and I take no energy from anyone/thing.

In fact, over the years I have refined my defenses to the point that I cannot accept outside energies, not even healing.

I prefer to work autonomously.

As far as people starting/causing trouble, yep it's going on here.

Like sending nasty PM's to everyone about someone when they're gone to turn everyone against them.

[amakaliani]

Are there psychic vampires on Mystic Wicks? Yes, there are. Some of them are ethical and some are not. Unfortunately, most of the ethical ones have left. And the unethical predators that remain will drain you like a drink box without a second thought. And they aren't the ones you would suspect. There are also attention junkies and people who get off on spreading misery. I would advise you to be careful in any online situation, not just Mystic Wicks.
Yes. they are here. And yes also, some have ethics and others don't. They ARE real.

[Xirian]

I have to disagree on this point.

All workings that I do come from me and I take no energy from anyone/thing.

In fact, over the years I have refined my defenses to the point that I cannot accept outside energies, not even healing.

I prefer to work autonomously.

As far as people starting/causing trouble, yep it's going on here.

Like sending nasty PM's to everyone about someone when they're gone to turn everyone against them.
I stand corrected, when it deals with rituals.

However, I do believe that breathing and living takes energy from other things, whether they wish us to take it or not. Therefore, we are in a sense, all living things, psychic vampires. We take energy from other things to go about our lives. Even though we may give it back in one way or another, we still take energy to live.

Of course, the above is a bit off topic. How many people who do rituals, call to the assistance of the God or Goddess or the elements? In doing that, we are indeed requiring that they use their energy to be with us during our rituals. If you don't do it that way and all the energy comes from you, then great.

I don't think it's a bad thing to ask for and manipulate energy as we need it. It shouldn't seem negative, in my opinion.

[Penthesilea]

I have to disagree on this point.

All workings that I do come from me and I take no energy from anyone/thing.

In fact, over the years I have refined my defenses to the point that I cannot accept outside energies, not even healing.

I prefer to work autonomously.

As far as people starting/causing trouble, yep it's going on here.

Like sending nasty PM's to everyone about someone when they're gone to turn everyone against them.Or even while they are still here....

[DocBruce]

Or even while they are still here....

Yep.

But they'll never get in at Home.

[Fire's Shadow]

I'm a vampire! http://www.sitepoint.com/forums/images/smilies/vampire.gif Raaaaaaah!

Well... maybe not.

It's all fun and games until someone tries to stick a wooden steak through your heart. Been there, and it wasn't cool. :awilly:

[TheWomanMonster]

Wow, I'm so amazed at all the comments and ideas.
Awesome guys, keep it up.

and yeah I can totally agree that some people are just people who like to cause problems.

I'm not too concerned about those who mearly take a little energy here and there, as it has been pointed out, most of us do from time to time.
It's the ones that drain you so completely and really beat you down emotionally and mentally that I have a problem with.
But then... being capable of such myself I can kind of understand it in some situations.


Keep up the thoughts.

Monster.

[dragoncrone]

...bad juju, but could be a great idea for a short story...

[Lady Valkyrie]

I get tired of internet trolls getting the title of "psychic vampire" as though they are this mysterious thing. Plain and simply they are people who are bored with their own lives, go onto the internet, cause trouble, and because there are no real reprecussions other than getting banned they continue the cycle of trolling because they are bored with their own lives. Sometimes a trouble maker is just that... a trouble maker... nothing psychic or vampirish about them.

Personally, I think that before you give someone the title of "psychic vampire" that you actually do some research on real psychic vampires as well as Tantric Vampirism and Sanguine Vampirism.

[Zoey]

I'm not really sure that a true 'psychic vampire' could really operate on-line. I tend to think that they would need something of yours to do some sort of sympathic magic or whatnot to actually drain your energy, or be physically around you. Sure, they might like to cause trouble and feed off the conflict and get some sort of 'high' off it, but mainly I would concider these types of people drama queens/kings. But that's just my opinion...:hahugh:

[Xentor]

There are some, definitely.

But the greatest input towards conflict stems from a mutation/metathesis of our basic survival drives, fear and agression.

When humanity reached the abilty to think its way out of its problems these became redundant.

We don't really need that crap anymore.

And that old, archiac part of ourselves, which is part our minds, knows this. The reptilian stem, where these are embeded, has acsses to to the higher conciousness of the cerberal cortex and after its own fashion can understand that it's interests no longer coincide with our own.

That sort of atavism has it's own survival to worry about because they represent a service we can do without.

So it/they/whatever [I'll go with the classical term Arhiman] seeks to create the circumstances, and it has a powerful synchronistic vortex at its disposal, to perpetuate it's own exsistence.

I know this will be controversial, perhaps unduly provocative

But the :deviltail made me do it

Are you implying that the reason for conflict on our boards (and everywhere else) is a jealous reptilian subprocess in our brain, excluding and / or negating the influence of other people?

[Xirian]

I get tired of internet trolls getting the title of "psychic vampire" as though they are this mysterious thing. Plain and simply they are people who are bored with their own lives, go onto the internet, cause trouble, and because there are no real reprecussions other than getting banned they continue the cycle of trolling because they are bored with their own lives. Sometimes a trouble maker is just that... a trouble maker... nothing psychic or vampirish about them.

Personally, I think that before you give someone the title of "psychic vampire" that you actually do some research on real psychic vampires as well as Tantric Vampirism and Sanguine Vampirism.
You know, even though I posted as I did earlier, I believe there is much truth to what you are saying here. Your destinctions are clear and I may be looking at the psychic vampire thing all wrong. Trouble makers are just trouble makers.


The greater the reaction from the community the more likely the user is to troll again, as the person develops beliefs that certain actions achieve his/her goal to cause chaos. This gives rise to the often repeated protocol in Internet culture: "Do not feed the trolls."
I think that's good advice. ;)

[RainInanna]

I definitely think energy vampirism can occur over the internet (as can a lot of energy work and magic such as aura reading, healing, and general spellwork) and that message boards can contain some vampires. But I consider the world wide web a natural conductor for energy work myself, not everyone feels that way.

I can think of a particular person from my past who didn't start conflicts necessarily but chatted to me often about the same problems, generating a lot of drama to get sympathetic energy etc. Finally I had to distance myself from them because it just got tiring.

[Mouse]

What I don't understand is a lot of people assume a Psi-vamp would have to stur up trouble to suck energy. They don't have to. I'm not a Psi-vamp, but if I wanted to I could suck energy from almost anyone here. All you need is a name or a picture.
I think people are getting confused between people who thrive on drama and people who consume energy.
This is only my opinion though, I'm prolly wrong.

[Cain]

I just had a thought and I was wanting to share it.
Not sure if this is the place, but I'm a pretty new Pagan myself.

Could it be, that those who seem to thrive upon causing conflict (both in real life and online) are actually some form of psychic vampire?

I've noticed a lot of posts (here at MW and elsewhere) that seem to be people trying to cause problems or generate very negative feelings. I'm talking personal attacks, 'this is so sick' links and that sort of thing.

I just thought... what if they feed off the negativity that they generate in the world? as opposed to more 'traditional' notions of vampires that feed off of the lifeforce or blood.

Does anyone else share my theory or have any insight or comments??

Monster.

Nah, they're just latent Subgenii, letting out their "inner Yeti".

[RainInanna]

BTW, the Psychic Vampire Codex by Michelle Belanger looks like it would be a good one to read to dispel some myths and gain a broader understanding of different types of vampirism. I keep thinking about buying it for the energy exercises (which don't necessarily revolve around unwanted psychic vampirism!)

[Penthesilea]

BTW, the Psychic Vampire Codex by Michelle Belanger looks like it would be a good one to read to dispel some myths and gain a broader understanding of different types of vampirism. I keep thinking about buying it for the energy exercises (which don't necessarily revolve around unwanted psychic vampirism!)This is a good book. I'm in the process of my second reading. While it doesn't apply to all psychic vampires it gives you a good grounding in the subject so you can ask intelligent questions and understand the answers! And anyone who can do basic visualizations and energy work can do the energy exercises.

[Jenne]

Or they just like to cause problems. :p

[snip]

But most of the time they just like conflict. Keeps them busy, makes them think, gets their point across.

This has been my experience. The "asshats" who stir up trolling trouble, or those who just like to point out human anomalies, tend to be a different breed than the psychic vampires.

The psy-vamps tend to be cleverer than just posting a random lame thread or two to trigger people's "ick" reflexes. True psy-vamps actually engage you, keep you hooked, and then keep feeding, thread after thread, post after post. They'll even get banned a time or two, select an alt or two, etc etc. They also usually hook someone else on their side and that person does the Mutt and Jeff routine with them.

Psy-vamps fascinate me for some reason, so I'm often watchful and wary of them.

[semi]

What I don't understand is a lot of people assume a Psi-vamp would have to stur up trouble to suck energy. They don't have to. I'm not a Psi-vamp, but if I wanted to I could suck energy from almost anyone here. All you need is a name or a picture.
I think people are getting confused between people who thrive on drama and people who consume energy.
This is only my opinion though, I'm prolly wrong.


You are not wrong.

[Infinite Grey]

Am I the only one that doesn't believe in vampires in any of their shapes or forms, except as fictitious creations?

[semi]

Am I the only one that doesn't believe in vampires in any of their shapes or forms, except as fictitious creations?


Yes. You're just weird like that.

[Infinite Grey]

Yes. You're just weird like that.

Thank you, I wasn't quite sure 8O

[Anubis]

Well.. then there are people like me.. we walk in.. see a stagnant situation.. where people are miserable.. put a big stick in the cage and rattle it about to effect change, wake them up and get them to realize that damnit they can do better!
Do we suck off any psychic energy?.. Nope... but there is a feeling of accomplishment when you see someone get up off their ass and make a change in their life for the better.

[semi]

Well.. then there are people like me.. we walk in.. see a stagnant situation.. where people are miserable.. put a big stick in the cage and rattle it about to effect change, wake them up and get them to realize that damnit they can do better!
Do we suck off any psychic energy?.. Nope... but there is a feeling of accomplishment when you see someone get up off their ass and make a change in their life for the better.


A very wise post. Everyone should poke Anubis.

[Anubis]

A very wise post. Everyone should poke Anubis.
nah.. poke Semi.. my karma is stuck.. let him have the fun of being poked by multiple people

[semi]

nah.. poke Semi.. my karma is stuck.. let him have the fun of being poked by multiple people


Hey, I don't swing that way, baby! I'm a one-woman man. Though I guess platonic pokes would be ok. Be gentle. I'm sensitive.

[Astara Seague]

Yes. they are here. And yes also, some have ethics and others don't. They ARE real.
I have to agree I also have to add most of the ones who are do not think they are, and blame others

[Infinite Grey]

Yes. they are here. And yes also, some have ethics and others don't. They ARE real.


I have to agree I also have to add most of the ones who are do not think they are, and blame others

I bet I can guess the "proof" of the existence of vampires! "I just know it" :lol:

[Philosophia]

Do I believe in psychic vamps? Yes
Do I believe there are psychic vamps on MW? Yes
Do I care? No :D

I love debates and discussions. I love expanding my boundaries and fleshing out my opinions. I love learning other peoples perspectives, even if I disagree with that view. Does this make me a psychic vamp? No
Too often we like to place "magical labels" on people who we dislike because we tend to get too paranoid about things.
Anyway, trolls are useful play-things. They're fun to poke! :hahugh: Do I think they're psychic vampires? Nope. Just people who like to stir up trouble.

[_Banbha_]

I've been reading this thread with interest and I have to say, Minerva's post sums it up nicely for me. :cheers:


Do I believe in psychic vamps? Yes
Do I believe there are psychic vamps on MW? Yes
Do I care? No :D

I love debates and discussions. I love expanding my boundaries and fleshing out my opinions. I love learning other peoples perspectives, even if I disagree with that view. Does this make me a psychic vamp? No
Too often we like to place "magical labels" on people who we dislike because we tend to get too paranoid about things.
Anyway, trolls are useful play-things. They're fun to poke! :hahugh: Do I think they're psychic vampires? Nope. Just people who like to stir up trouble.

[Penthesilea]

I have to agree I also have to add most of the ones who are do not think they are, and blame othersI must disagree. The psychic vampires I know are aware of what they are. They blame no one and are responsible in their feeding. Attention junkies on the other hand, blame everyone for their problems. The unethical vampyre goes on his or her merry way playing the innocent and feeding indiscriminately. They count on no one realizing what they are and if anyone does, they deny it with enough moral outrage to cow almost anyone.

[Kalika]

I just had a thought and I was wanting to share it.
Not sure if this is the place, but I'm a pretty new Pagan myself.

Could it be, that those who seem to thrive upon causing conflict (both in real life and online) are actually some form of psychic vampire?

I've noticed a lot of posts (here at MW and elsewhere) that seem to be people trying to cause problems or generate very negative feelings. I'm talking personal attacks, 'this is so sick' links and that sort of thing.

I just thought... what if they feed off the negativity that they generate in the world? as opposed to more 'traditional' notions of vampires that feed off of the lifeforce or blood.

Does anyone else share my theory or have any insight or comments??

Monster.

Bah.

Some people just like to cause problems... that doesn't necessarily make them a psychic vampire. While they are out there... I wouldn't say that everyone who does this (especially here on MW, no matter how much people like to say so!!!!) can be classified as psychic vampirism.

Alot of times its a miscommunication issue... people don't always express themselves well over a written medium - and don't necessarily know how to remedy that. Others don't know how to take a joke, subtle or otherwise. ;)

I'm sure the theory holds up for some... but the majority... probably not. :hugz:

[Fire's Shadow]

Soooooooooooooooooooo...


Are there psy-vamps on the board, or can I put away my silver katana and garlic cloves?


... because I really want to cook this garlic chicken dish. However... I need some of the garlic cloves for the dish, and I usually chop the garlic with the silver katana. Don't ask me why, I just like to. :hahugh:

[Penthesilea]

Soooooooooooooooooooo...


Are there psy-vamps on the board, or can I put away my silver katana and garlic cloves?


... because I really want to cook this garlic chicken dish. However... I need some of the garlic cloves for the dish, and I usually chop the garlic with the silver katana. Don't ask me why, I just like to. :hahugh:Are there psy-vamps on the board? Yes. But go ahead and make your chicken. Garlic doesn't work on them. And a katana will work on anyone!

[Garm]

Are you implying that the reason for conflict on our boards (and everywhere else) is a jealous reptilian subprocess in our brain, excluding and / or negating the influence of other people?

The other people are going to be having their own reptilian cortexes kicking in in response simply because it's usually just sitting there below the surface awaiting activation. That's why the chain reaction can be so very contagious, it's all too easy to push an individual problem into the collective.

And it's not a matter of jealousy but a logical reaction to the threat of obsolsesnce. Biological functions work under a rule, use it or lose it. Mostly these functions are asserting themselves in our current history strictly for the sake of preventing themselves from atrophying.

So now we have addictions to things like violence, hyperstimulative drugs, gambling, relationships with the manfestly wrong partners or the sort of procrastination that causes one to put things off untill one is in a total panic inducing crises.

When a program that was originally evolved for self preservation turns in to one of self destruction, you know it has become autonomous and in pursuit of its own agenda.

[BlueEyedWolf]

I must disagree. The psychic vampires I know are aware of what they are. They blame no one and are responsible in their feeding. Attention junkies on the other hand, blame everyone for their problems. The unethical vampyre goes on his or her merry way playing the innocent and feeding indiscriminately. They count on no one realizing what they are and if anyone does, they deny it with enough moral outrage to cow almost anyone.


I agree Wholeheartedly!!! They're plenty of both out there.

[CzechWoods]

it is one of the many tools, a psychic vampire would use, to start a fight, and feed of the energy that than errupts

i avoid positive/negative here.

but not all trouble makers are psychic vampires, as not all psychic vampires do use this very tool you described.

so to answer your question clearly:

maybe ;)

[djmixon]

Well, so what if they do feed off the negativity? Others feed off positivity.

I think the "this is sick" links are sort of like a car crash and the way people slow down to look at them. Is it feeding? I don't think so.

And people who intentionally attack others online may be feeding on the negativty, or may be genuinely angry and attacking the other person as a means of expressing this anger, or may be inadvertantly revealing their own disfunctions (it seems to me that the more bitterly sarcastic and aggressive attempts to hurt are the ones that most expose the attackers own inadequacies and unhappiness).

Just my opinions.


You are a wise man, Papa Juicy Hot Pink Short Pants

[djmixon]

Are there psy-vamps on the board? Yes. But go ahead and make your chicken. Garlic doesn't work on them. And a katana will work on anyone!

I've got plenty of both... I love garlic and I sell swords... great combination, eh?

[TheWomanMonster]

Wow, the conversation my small theory has spawned astounds me. Neat!
I like the way CzechWoods put it...
maybe the conflicts are tools indeed.


I guess I may have been too general in my original post,
I certainly didn't mean to suggest that ALL conflicts and debates or differing view points were forms of psy-vampirism.
Conflict is natural.

Kalika you made me need to clarify!

Kalika: Some people just like to cause problems... that doesn't necessarily make them a psychic vampire. While they are out there... I wouldn't say that everyone who does this (especially here on MW, no matter how much people like to say so!!!!) can be classified as psychic vampirism.

No not 'everyone' but I imagine that CzechWoods is probably pretty close on the use of conflict as a tool. That's much more along the lines that I was thinking originally.

WyldeDryad and MinervaMind share good points too, some of the trouble makers are just plain old trolls! and yes 'magical labels' probably do get applied to mundane conditions for which there are simpler explainations.

So wow, more talking, more debate.
Are there holes in my modified theory?
That psy-vamps MAY use conflicts and debates as a tool to feed off the energy produced.


hehe it just doesn't end.
But hey at least we're learning something.

Monster.

[djmixon]

Some people are just JERKS and Buttmunches... they are unhappy with thier own existence so they make others miserable in the process. In their warped mind, they think if others are more miserable then they are, then their life doesn't suck as much...

Kind of like snobs... propping themselves up by bullying others into submission. Making them feel better about themselves by making others feel worse.

Sick, but unfortunately true.

[Kalika]

Wow, the conversation my small theory has spawned astounds me. Neat!
I like the way CzechWoods put it...
maybe the conflicts are tools indeed.


I guess I may have been too general in my original post,
I certainly didn't mean to suggest that ALL conflicts and debates or differing view points were forms of psy-vampirism.
Conflict is natural.

Kalika you made me need to clarify!


No not 'everyone' but I imagine that CzechWoods is probably pretty close on the use of conflict as a tool. That's much more along the lines that I was thinking originally.



:lol:

That wasn't necessarily directed at you... I've seen many threads recently where "psy vamps" are accused of being just that.... when it's not necessarily the case. :)

Could it be? Sure. But I don't think that is always the case, like you also pointed out. Conflict is a tool (as CzechWoods said), but also most people with this... affliction, for lack of a better word... have better ways of getting what they need than simply sowing strife and chaos on message boards. ;) People like to argue... myself included. Doesn't mean I feed off the negativity, it just makes me think - a well thought out argument is a good thing.

Arguments that get out of hand, are taken personally, and go around and around and around without any end in sight... I tend to find more amusing than frustrating, so if that's people's goal, they aren't getting what they want from me, at the very least.


WyldeDryad and MinervaMind share good points too, some of the trouble makers are just plain old trolls! and yes 'magical labels' probably do get applied to mundane conditions for which there are simpler explainations.

This is more along the lines of the point I was trying to make in my original post. :)

[Kalika]

Some people are just JERKS and Buttmunches... they are unhappy with thier own existence so they make others miserable in the process. In their warped mind, they think if others are more miserable then they are, then their life doesn't suck as much...

Kind of like snobs... propping themselves up by bullying others into submission. Making them feel better about themselves by making others feel worse.

Sick, but unfortunately true.

*chuckle*

Now, if only we could get them to see the error of their ways....

[TheWomanMonster]

Now, if only we could get them to see the error of their ways....


hehe, yeah good luck with that one...

Monster

[Cain]

*chuckle*

Now, if only we could get them to see the error of their ways....

Or they're just reminding others of the official pecking order.

Cain,
ain't doing shit for a Pink or Cabbage, except ruining their life.

[Meirya]

...All right. I have to speak up here. Mini-lecture coming.

Not a psy-vamp, but one of the people I respect most in the world is one. I know a number of others as well, and they're people I love and respect. When I see the paranoid demonization of psy-vampires such as I'm seeing in several posts here, I get a little angry because it's fear that stems from ignorance. It's like some religious sects saying witches are all devil-worshippers who curse people and perform dark magic in graveyards or something. They honestly believe it because they don't know any better. Some of you are doing the same thing with psychic vampires (PVs).

Very simply, a psychic vampire is someone who has an energy deficiency. To explain: Most people naturally take in raw environmental energy (which is akin to unprocessed wheat), and they unconsciously process it into more refined, more usable energy (akin to processing wheat into flour). PVs can refine energy, but it generally requires more energy for them to refine the raw stuff than the refined yield they get. So they have to take pre-refined energy in order to properly function. Usually, the biggest source of refined energy is pranic energy. Life/psychic energy.

From what I've seen, the usual cause for an energy deficiency is some sort of energetic body abnormality (generally relatively permanent and I've never heard of it being fixed, though I'm sure it's possible), or some sort of auric wound/leak (generally more temporary, and the deficiency fades/vanishes once the leak is patched or the wound is healed). It's like a nonphysical-body version of diabetes, really. The PV's energetic body can't properly process unrefined energy (like diabetics can't properly process sugar).

Now. A diabetic who's aware of her condition can regulate her diet by watching her sugar intake and making sure she eats protein, takes insulin, etc. Similarly, a psychic vampire who's aware of her condition can regulate her energetic intake by feeding off of ambient energy - that is, pranic energy that people give off freely in daily activity but are no longer attached to. (Clubs, malls, concerts, and other places with lots of people being active are full of ambient energy.) This way she doesn't "starve" herself energetically, leading to various symptoms (that tend to vary depending on person, but can include dehydration despite high liquid intake, trembling, light-headedness, physical sensation of hunger not alleviated by physical food, constant tiredness, etc) and sometimes leading to loss of control that would cause her to unconsciously or accidentally feed directly from an individual.

However, our culture doesn't accept the idea of psychic vampires; even most of paganism doesn't accept them (or doesn't accept them as anything more than negative, loathsome, emotionally-manipulative parasites). So oftentimes you get a psychic vampire with no idea of their energy deficiency who feeds unconsciously from any available source. They don't know what they're doing, they don't mean to do it. Sometimes, yes, they'll "stir the pot" (so to speak) to release more available free energy into the air; they don't realize they're doing it, but their subconscious is acting to fulfill their needs. It's much like someone who has a protein deficiency will crave meat without realizing their condition; sometimes they'll eat too much meat, or the wrong kind of meat, or refrain from meat and then binge on it when the craving overwhelms them. The difference is that a psyvamp's condition affects other people than just himself.

Better for the PV to realize their condition and work to control it, make sure they stay at a reasonable level of energy so they don't lose control. But when you're told you're nothing more than a vile, manipulative, negative parasite that must be carefully guarded against - simply because you have an energy deficiency - it's no wonder so many PVs try to deny their nature, or try their best to just simply not feed at all (I've seen a couple do this; they become a mess, it's not pleasant to watch. It's like someone starving themselves from physical food, and there's much of the same symptoms, including an eventual uncontrollable binge in most cases).

[Grey]

I just had a thought and I was wanting to share it.
Not sure if this is the place, but I'm a pretty new Pagan myself.

Could it be, that those who seem to thrive upon causing conflict (both in real life and online) are actually some form of psychic vampire?

I've noticed a lot of posts (here at MW and elsewhere) that seem to be people trying to cause problems or generate very negative feelings. I'm talking personal attacks, 'this is so sick' links and that sort of thing.

I just thought... what if they feed off the negativity that they generate in the world? as opposed to more 'traditional' notions of vampires that feed off of the lifeforce or blood.

Does anyone else share my theory or have any insight or comments??

Monster.

Is it possible? Yes. Does it happen? Yes. Is that always the case with people like this? No, resoundingly no.

There are people out there who will feed off your energy. Weve all met them, just like theres people out there that have an overwhelming aura of negative energy about them. Some people are just jerks though... they dont get anything out of it spiritually, or sustenance wise, theyre just not nice at all.

[Mistress_Ravenshadow]

i know 2 ppl in particular (who are both psychic vamps) and they will attack others for no reason for things that have happened long ago just to feed off the energy almost like its the only way they know how to tap in.. its amazing how quickly they wither when everyone stays away from them and blocks them.. i always wondered why ppl thrived on constant drama since i find it so unpleasant but over the years i have come to understand it first hand from regular attacks from these 2 .. it has helped me to build pretty solid defenses against them too which is good..(although this last attack caught me off guard)

[Penthesilea]

...All right. I have to speak up here. Mini-lecture coming.

Not a psy-vamp, but one of the people I respect most in the world is one. I know a number of others as well, and they're people I love and respect. When I see the paranoid demonization of psy-vampires such as I'm seeing in several posts here, I get a little angry because it's fear that stems from ignorance. It's like some religious sects saying witches are all devil-worshippers who curse people and perform dark magic in graveyards or something. They honestly believe it because they don't know any better. Some of you are doing the same thing with psychic vampires (PVs).

Very simply, a psychic vampire is someone who has an energy deficiency. To explain: Most people naturally take in raw environmental energy (which is akin to unprocessed wheat), and they unconsciously process it into more refined, more usable energy (akin to processing wheat into flour). PVs can refine energy, but it generally requires more energy for them to refine the raw stuff than the refined yield they get. So they have to take pre-refined energy in order to properly function. Usually, the biggest source of refined energy is pranic energy. Life/psychic energy.

From what I've seen, the usual cause for an energy deficiency is some sort of energetic body abnormality (generally relatively permanent and I've never heard of it being fixed, though I'm sure it's possible), or some sort of auric wound/leak (generally more temporary, and the deficiency fades/vanishes once the leak is patched or the wound is healed). It's like a nonphysical-body version of diabetes, really. The PV's energetic body can't properly process unrefined energy (like diabetics can't properly process sugar).

Now. A diabetic who's aware of her condition can regulate her diet by watching her sugar intake and making sure she eats protein, takes insulin, etc. Similarly, a psychic vampire who's aware of her condition can regulate her energetic intake by feeding off of ambient energy - that is, pranic energy that people give off freely in daily activity but are no longer attached to. (Clubs, malls, concerts, and other places with lots of people being active are full of ambient energy.) This way she doesn't "starve" herself energetically, leading to various symptoms (that tend to vary depending on person, but can include dehydration despite high liquid intake, trembling, light-headedness, physical sensation of hunger not alleviated by physical food, constant tiredness, etc) and sometimes leading to loss of control that would cause her to unconsciously or accidentally feed directly from an individual.

However, our culture doesn't accept the idea of psychic vampires; even most of paganism doesn't accept them (or doesn't accept them as anything more than negative, loathsome, emotionally-manipulative parasites). So oftentimes you get a psychic vampire with no idea of their energy deficiency who feeds unconsciously from any available source. They don't know what they're doing, they don't mean to do it. Sometimes, yes, they'll "stir the pot" (so to speak) to release more available free energy into the air; they don't realize they're doing it, but their subconscious is acting to fulfill their needs. It's much like someone who has a protein deficiency will crave meat without realizing their condition; sometimes they'll eat too much meat, or the wrong kind of meat, or refrain from meat and then binge on it when the craving overwhelms them. The difference is that a psyvamp's condition affects other people than just himself.

Better for the PV to realize their condition and work to control it, make sure they stay at a reasonable level of energy so they don't lose control. But when you're told you're nothing more than a vile, manipulative, negative parasite that must be carefully guarded against - simply because you have an energy deficiency - it's no wonder so many PVs try to deny their nature, or try their best to just simply not feed at all (I've seen a couple do this; they become a mess, it's not pleasant to watch. It's like someone starving themselves from physical food, and there's much of the same symptoms, including an eventual uncontrollable binge in most cases).After reading this, I feel the need to clarify. Three of my dearest friends, people I would trust with the lives of my children, are psychic vampires. There are others I know, however, I wouldn't turn my back on as, at one time or another, each of them has tried to feed on me with no concern for my feelings on the matter or my safety. It is people like the latter three that cause the psy-vamps' bad reputation. Before anything else, they are people -- good and bad -- and we should remember that when discussing them.

[Xander67]

I have found that people who cause conflicts do it because they have something to gain. they manipulate the situation.. they cause the conflict..

it happens alot in the political scene, the people cause the conflict and then they are there via thier companies that they own, poised to reap a fortune in revenues by selling them arms, construction contracts, and extending them credit while they recover...

in any situation though, it is always negative energy, the dark low kind.

on the social level they do it because they like to control people, either they want to break up a friendship, or cause someone to loose thier job, or they have a calculated plan...

my advice, if you run into one of these people, RUN the other way !

[Meirya]

Before anything else, they are people -- good and bad -- and we should remember that when discussing them.

Thank you. Agreed. They are people like any other, and there's not necessarily more or less "positive" or "negative" persons among PVs than among pagans in general.

[Acid09]

i know 2 ppl in particular (who are both psychic vamps) and they will attack others for no reason for things that have happened long ago just to feed off the energy almost like its the only way they know how to tap in.. its amazing how quickly they wither when everyone stays away from them and blocks them.. i always wondered why ppl thrived on constant drama since i find it so unpleasant but over the years i have come to understand it first hand from regular attacks from these 2 .. it has helped me to build pretty solid defenses against them too which is good..(although this last attack caught me off guard)

This sounds like about at least a dozen people I know. I think what we need to remember is that ALL people are capable of taking energy from others. hence all people are to one degree or another energy vampires. People who absorb energy out of necessity generally do so weather they want to or not and most probably don't even reallize they do so. To top it off most people will not be harmed by a psi-vamp, unless actually abused, like physically or verbally. Those are psi-vamps we should look out for the extreme end that includes people who truely DO prey on others - rapists, pedophiles, abusers, pimps, drug dealers and killers. Even people who take pleasure in verbally assaulting others or constantly lie and manipulate to get what they want. These are the people who truely steal energy from others for no other reason than to satisfy their own twisted complex.

[Meirya]

Those are psi-vamps we should look out for the extreme end that includes people who truely DO prey on others - rapists, pedophiles, abusers, pimps, drug dealers and killers. Even people who take pleasure in verbally assaulting others or constantly lie and manipulate to get what they want. These are the people who truely steal energy from others for no other reason than to satisfy their own twisted complex.

But now you're using "psi-vamp" as "someone who harms someone else on a regular basis and gets energy out of it", when that's really not the correct definition, and that just further villanizes the actual psy-vamps.

Anyone can take energy. But there's a difference between a "feeder" (sometimes politely referred to as an "energy vampire", but that's iffy because "energy vampire" is used for other contexts as well depending on the person) and a "psychic vampire".

A feeder is someone who does not need energy but takes it anyway. Perhaps they once needed it (in the case of an auric wound or something) and got into the habit of feeding, and now are addicted. Perhaps they do it for fun. Perhaps they're malicious or abusers (etc), as you stated. But they do not need the energy to function; they simply take it for whatever reason. (On an additional note, I have met feeders who are responsible about feeding and only feed on ambient energy or from willing donors. So they're not all bad either. Judge each person as s/he is, not by the demographic xe falls under.)

A psychic vampire is someone who does need energy; they have an energy deficiency; they must have energy to function. (As explained in my earlier overly long post.) Some psy-vamps may be one of the types of people you listed, but it's not much more likely than any other demographic. (All the psy-vamps I've met, which have been quite a few, do not even come close to fitting under one of those labels you listed. Most all are responsible, considerate people who do not harm others anymore than any other ethical, moral person.

[Penthesilea]

Agreed. The true "psy-vamp" has to take energy from others in order to be healthy. Those of us who do not need to take energy cannot possibly understand what it feels to go without it. "Attention junkies" of which the world has no shortage can survive quite nicely without the attention that they crave. They suffer no physical effects if they fail to get the attention they seek. A psy-vamp who does not feed will suffer physically.

And I must dispute the claim by Acid09 that you cannot be harmed by feeding. Harm is possible. A dear friend refused my offer of energy because he was afraid that because of the circumstances (his level of need and my inexperience), he would hurt me -- badly -- if he attempted to feed and this was injury that I would not recover from. I did not withdraw my offer but I yielded to his judgment and he found what he needed elsewhere before his situation became too dire.

[amakaliani]

And I must dispute the claim by Acid09 that you cannot be harmed by feeding. Harm is possible. A dear friend refused my offer of energy because he was afraid that because of the circumstances (his level of need and my inexperience), he would hurt me -- badly -- if he attempted to feed and this was injury that I would not recover from. I did not withdraw my offer but I yielded to his judgment and he found what he needed elsewhere before his situation became too dire.

I must say that the physical need does tie in with the energy needs. what could be a minimal pain situation becomes so much more, when your needs are not met.

[Meirya]

And I must dispute the claim by Acid09 that you cannot be harmed by feeding. Harm is possible.

I'll add another experience to this. My PV friend, when he was just becoming aware of his needs and learning to regulate them and accept them, tried basically "fasting", starving himself energetically; he didn't want to feed, he didn't want to have to, and now that he knew he did it, he figured he could force himself not to.

That was . . . a mistake. One day he was play-fighting with another friend, and without realizing it (because pushing himself to such a deep energy-need eroded his control), he started drawing from her, VERY rapidly and VERY quickly, likely a deep feed (drawing directly from her core subtle-body energy, rather than from her surface or auric energy). She went sickly-pale white and nearly passed out. He loosed contact once he realized what was happening; he still feels horrible about it. She rested for a bit and pulled energy up through grounding, and after a while she was fine. Yes, they checked for possible physical causes - Peg always does, rather thoroughly, when something metaphysical happens - but there were none.

So now he makes sure he doesn't get to that level of need, and it doesn't happen anymore. But yes, feeding can cause harm to the person being fed upon if it's not done carefully.

[amakaliani]

I'll add another experience to this. My PV friend, when he was just becoming aware of his needs and learning to regulate them and accept them, tried basically "fasting", starving himself energetically; he didn't want to feed, he didn't want to have to, and now that he knew he did it, he figured he could force himself not to.

That was . . . a mistake. One day he was play-fighting with another friend, and without realizing it (because pushing himself to such a deep energy-need eroded his control), he started drawing from her, VERY rapidly and VERY quickly, likely a deep feed (drawing directly from her core subtle-body energy, rather than from her surface or auric energy). She went sickly-pale white and nearly passed out. He loosed contact once he realized what was happening; he still feels horrible about it. She rested for a bit and pulled energy up through grounding, and after a while she was fine. Yes, they checked for possible physical causes - Peg always does, rather thoroughly, when something metaphysical happens - but there were none.

So now he makes sure he doesn't get to that level of need, and it doesn't happen anymore. But yes, feeding can cause harm to the person being fed upon if it's not done carefully.
yes.....i can see that.....


needs must be met...one way or another.

that's where morals enter into things.....ONCE the person is AWARE of it.....

like I am.

[HetHert]

Maybe this belongs in a seperate thread...but from those that have experience with legitimate persons that are deficient and incapable of finding the energy they need besides in other people, are there ways for these people to heal? What are some of the root causes for psy-vampirism?

[Penthesilea]

Maybe this belongs in a seperate thread...but from those that have experience with legitimate persons that are deficient and incapable of finding the energy they need besides in other people, are there ways for these people to heal? What are some of the root causes for psy-vampirism?The root cause of psy-vampirism, according to the only widely distributed book on the subject, is an alteration in the energy body of the person. This alteration is permanent and cannot be healed. It also carries over from one incarnation to the next. The only thing for a psy-vamp to do is learn and understand what they are and to manage their energy needs by being aware of their need and to feed in an ethical manner.


The book mentioned above is "The Psychic Vampire Codex" by Michelle Belanger, published by Red Wheel/Weiser, LLC. You can find it in bookstores or on Amazon.com. The author is herself a psychic vampire and is active in their community.

[Penthesilea]

I'll add another experience to this. My PV friend, when he was just becoming aware of his needs and learning to regulate them and accept them, tried basically "fasting", starving himself energetically; he didn't want to feed, he didn't want to have to, and now that he knew he did it, he figured he could force himself not to.

That was . . . a mistake. One day he was play-fighting with another friend, and without realizing it (because pushing himself to such a deep energy-need eroded his control), he started drawing from her, VERY rapidly and VERY quickly, likely a deep feed (drawing directly from her core subtle-body energy, rather than from her surface or auric energy). She went sickly-pale white and nearly passed out. He loosed contact once he realized what was happening; he still feels horrible about it. She rested for a bit and pulled energy up through grounding, and after a while she was fine. Yes, they checked for possible physical causes - Peg always does, rather thoroughly, when something metaphysical happens - but there were none.

So now he makes sure he doesn't get to that level of need, and it doesn't happen anymore. But yes, feeding can cause harm to the person being fed upon if it's not done carefully.Both of your friends were incredibly lucky. My friend told me -- and was backed up by another knowledgeable friend -- that if he attempted to feed from me under the circumstances at the time it could result in permanent brain damage. He referred to it as "tearing a hole in your soul."

[mtpathy]

Both of your friends were incredibly lucky. My friend told me -- and was backed up by another knowledgeable friend -- that if he attempted to feed from me under the circumstances at the time it could result in permanent brain damage. He referred to it as "tearing a hole in your soul."

I don't know wether to laugh or cry...
people react by there own accord, so whats
the natural thing to do?
blame those around them for there own emotional
reactions,lol..
this hurts my head..

[Penthesilea]

I don't know wether to laugh or cry...
people react by there own accord, so whats
the natural thing to do?
blame those around them for there own emotional
reactions,lol..
this hurts my head..I'm having difficulty getting your point here. Can you clarify, please?

[Meirya]

The root cause of psy-vampirism, according to the only widely distributed book on the subject, is an alteration in the energy body of the person. This alteration is permanent and cannot be healed. It also carries over from one incarnation to the next.

That's one theory, anyway. I think the alteration could be healed, but I've never heard of it being done, and I'd imagine it'd take a lot of work. And most of the PVs I know would prefer it not be "healed" (the ones I know don't really consider themselves "broken" or in need of healing; they just believe they have some different needs born of different energy body structure).

And the permanently altered energetic body is only one type of vampirism, the permanent all-your-life type. There's causes for temporary energetic need, such as an auric wound, though a number of people don't consider the "temporary vampires" to be "psychic vampires"; they fall under "feeder" (because they tend to get addicted to energy and keep feeding once the auric wound's healed up, or after whatever other temporary cause is fixed).

[Acid09]

But now you're using "psi-vamp" as "someone who harms someone else on a regular basis and gets energy out of it", when that's really not the correct definition, and that just further villanizes the actual psy-vamps.

That is not what I said. I'm pointing out that psi-vamps exist in a variety of forms and in many degrees. Some are more extreme than others and some are dangerous. Like wife beaters or pedophiles.

I think you read in my post "rapists, pedophiles, serial killers and wife beaters" and generallized my wording to assume that I meant these people make up a large portion of the vampire community. That is not what I meant.

If you re-read my post you can see that my aim was to point out that psychic vampires are pretty much everybody (that in a way we are all energy feeders) to a greater or lesser degree and that the *only ones* who are actually dangerous are the *extreme* end - all those listed. Which is less than one tenth of a percent of our population.

Anyone can take energy. But there's a difference between a "feeder" (sometimes politely referred to as an "energy vampire", but that's iffy because "energy vampire" is used for other contexts as well depending on the person) and a "psychic vampire".

Now who's to say wife beaters, pedophiles and such don't "need" to take energy? Its just the way they justify taking it that makes them villians.

A feeder is someone who does not need energy but takes it anyway. Perhaps they once needed it (in the case of an auric wound or something) and got into the habit of feeding, and now are addicted. Perhaps they do it for fun. Perhaps they're malicious or abusers (etc), as you stated. But they do not need the energy to function; they simply take it for whatever reason. (On an additional note, I have met feeders who are responsible about feeding and only feed on ambient energy or from willing donors. So they're not all bad either. Judge each person as s/he is, not by the demographic xe falls under.)

A psychic vampire is someone who does need energy; they have an energy deficiency; they must have energy to function. (As explained in my earlier overly long post.) Some psy-vamps may be one of the types of people you listed, but it's not much more likely than any other demographic. (All the psy-vamps I've met, which have been quite a few, do not even come close to fitting under one of those labels you listed. Most all are responsible, considerate people who do not harm others anymore than any other ethical, moral person.

Again how do you know which people don't need the energy they take and those who do? Even if by taken choice the very decision to take energy might have been sub-consciously induced by a need to do so.

Agreed. The true "psy-vamp" has to take energy from others in order to be healthy. Those of us who do not need to take energy cannot possibly understand what it feels to go without it. "Attention junkies" of which the world has no shortage can survive quite nicely without the attention that they crave. They suffer no physical effects if they fail to get the attention they seek. A psy-vamp who does not feed will suffer physically.
:) As a psychic vampire I can't disagree. And believe me I've tried. But again how can you know that an "attention junky" is not somebody who is feeding off energy to sustain some kind of comfort zone? It gives them percieved health. Maybe they do psychologically need the attention because they never learned to fix what ever complex that caused their behavior.

And I must dispute the claim by Acid09 that you cannot be harmed by feeding. Harm is possible. A dear friend refused my offer of energy because he was afraid that because of the circumstances (his level of need and my inexperience), he would hurt me -- badly -- if he attempted to feed and this was injury that I would not recover from. I did not withdraw my offer but I yielded to his judgment and he found what he needed elsewhere before his situation became too dire.

My claim is that we are all energy vampires *to a greater or lesser degree* and that only the extreme cases, as already listed, can actually - permenantly - harm people. This list includes people who use psychic/magick attacks.

[TELEKENETIK_APRECTIC]

imma fairly new pagan as well,& in my opinion,.there's people everywhere that like to start dramma,or get people stirred up,in life,& online, some people just live off the stuff,.as for being some sort of psycic vampire attack? i doubt it,i know that power does exist,i've heard from relyable sourses about using it,.but i'm sure even a very powerfull psycic vamp,couldn't drain your energy through the comp (i could be wrong,& i certainly don' wanna piss off any vamps),but i guess that's what this thread's for,right? hearing everyones opinions?well that's just my 2cents :cheers: -bb

[Kaylara]

I know there are some psychic vampires out there who cause problems just to suck up the negativity, and the more problems they cause, the more attention they'll get and the more energy they'll get as well. Some don't know any better and just feel better by making other people feel worse.

This is by now means the norm though. Most of the ones that I've met or know don't do this because they feel like it's drinking poison.

[Kaylara]

imma fairly new pagan as well,& in my opinion,.there's people everywhere that like to start dramma,or get people stirred up,in life,& online, some people just live off the stuff,.as for being some sort of psycic vampire attack? i doubt it,i know that power does exist,i've heard from relyable sourses about using it,.but i'm sure even a very powerfull psycic vamp,couldn't drain your energy through the comp (i could be wrong,& i certainly don' wanna piss off any vamps),but i guess that's what this thread's for,right? hearing everyones opinions?well that's just my 2cents :cheers: -bb

I've was at the bad end of a psychic vampire attack by one who fed on negativity over the internet a few years ago. I guess it makes sense if you look at energy the way I see it, which is, anything that you give attention to, you're giving energy to. So one way to stop an attack is to stop paying attention to it.

[ravenhecate999]

that does make sense seeing as how the anger caused in conflict is one of the strongest human emotions, and if someone found a way to tap into this energy, the damage could be irriparable.

[CoyoteShadow]

Yeah, well, what if the conflict is caused by misunderstandings?


What happens if you label these people as "psychic vampires?" Aren't we, in a sense, demonizing these people?