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Agaliha
July 9th, 2006, 04:18 PM
I was reading about Maya and wondered what everyone thought about it. It's pretty interesting stuff.

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Maya is the illusion that the phenomenal world of separate objects and people is the only reality. For the mystics this manifestation is real, but it is a fleeting reality; it is a mistake, although a natural one, to believe that maya represents a fundamental reality. Each person, each physical object, from the perspective of eternity is like a brief, disturbed drop of water from an unbounded ocean. The goal of enlightenment is to understand this—more precisely, to experience this: to see intuitively that the distinction between the self and the universe is a false dichotomy. The distinction between consciousness and physical matter, between mind and body, is the result of an unenlightened perspective.
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In Hinduism, Maya must be seen through in order to achieve moksha (liberation of the soul from the cycle of death and rebirth) - ahamkar (ego-consciousness) and karma are seen as part of the binding forces of Maya. Maya is seen as the phenomenal universe, a lesser reality-lens superimposed on the one Brahman that leads us to think of the phenomenal cosmos as real. Maya is also visualized as part of the Divine Mother (Devi) concept of Hinduism. In the Hindu scripture 'Devi Mahatmyam,' Mahamaya (Great Maya) is said to cover Vishnu's eyes in Yoganidra (Divine Sleep) during cycles of existence when all is resolved into one. By exhorting Mahamaya to release Her illusory hold on Vishnu, Brahma is able to bring Vishnu to aid him in killing two demons, Madhu and Kaitabh, who have manifested from Vishnu's sleeping form. Shri Ramakrishna often spoke of Mother Maya and combined deep Hindu allegory with the idea that Maya is a lesser reality that must be overcome so that one is able to realize his or her true Self.
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In Hinduism, Maya must be seen through in order to achieve moksha (liberation of the soul from the cycle of death and rebirth)—ahamkar (ego-consciousness) and karma are seen as part of the binding forces of Maya. Maya is seen as the phenomenal universe, a lesser reality-lens superimposed on the one Brahman that leads us to think of the phenomenal cosmos as real.
By Sri Sankaracharya

The Supreme Self (or Ultimate Reality) who is Pure Consciousness perceived Himself by Selfhood (i.e. Existence with "I"-Conciousness). He became endowed with the name "I". From that arose the basis of difference.
He exists verily in two parts, on account of which, the two could become husband and wife. Therefore, this space is ever filled up completely by the woman (or the feminine principle) surely.
And He, this Supreme Self thought (or reflected). Thence, human beings were born. Thus say the Upanishads through the statement of sage Yajnavalkya to his wife.
From the experience of bliss for a long time, there arose in the Supreme Self a certain state like deep sleep. From that (state) Maya (or the illusive power of the Supreme Self) was born just as a dream arises in sleep.
This Maya is without the characteristics of (or different from) Reality or unreality, without beginning and dependent on the Reality that is the Supreme Self. She, who is of the form of the THREE GUNAS (qualities or energies of Nature) brings forth the Universe with movable and immovable (objects).
As for Maya, it is invisible (or not experienced by the senses). How can it produce a thing that is visible (or experienced by the senses)? How is a visible piece of cloth produced here by threads of invisible nature?
As there is the emission of the generative fluid on to a good garment on account of the experience of copulation in a dream, the pollution of the garment is seen as real on waking while the copulation was not true, the man in the dream was real (while) the woman was unreal and the union of the two was false (but), the emission of the generative fluid was real, so does it occur even in the matter in hand.
Thus Maya is invisible (or beyond sense-perception). (But) this universe which is its effect, is visible (or perceived by the senses). This would be Maya which, on its part, becomes the producer of joy by its own destruction.
Like night (or darkness) Maya is extremely insurmountable (or extremely difficult to be understood). Its nature is not perceived here. Even as it is being observed carefully (or being investigated) by sages, it vanishes like lightning.
Maya (the illusive power) is what is obtained in Brahman (or the Ultimate Reality). Avidya (or nescience or spiritual ignorance) is said to be dependent on Jiva (the individual soul or individualised consciousness). Mind is the knot which joins Consciousness and matter. That mind is to be as imperishable until liberation.
Space enclosed by a pot, or a jar or a hut or a wall has their several appellations (eg.,pot space, jar space etc.). Like that, Consciousness (or the Self) covered here by Avidya (or nescience) is spoken of as jiva (the individual soul).
Objection: How indeed could ignorance become a covering (or an obscure factor) for Brahman (or the Supreme Spirit) who is Pure Consciousness, as if the darkness arising from the night (could become a concealing factor) for the sun which is self-luminous?
As the sun is hidden by clouds produced by the solar rays but surely, the character of the day is not hidden by those modified dense collection of clouds, so the Self, though pure, (or undefiled) is veiled for a long time by ignorance. But its power of Consciousness in living beings, which is established in this world, is not veiled. From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maya_(illusion)
There's also a goddess named Maya mentioned in the article.

Snapdragon
July 9th, 2006, 05:12 PM
One caveat: while you've related the mainstream view of Maya in Hinduism, there is also the Tantric "take" on it, which has far different ramifications. The usual rendering of Maya is that it is equivalent with the material world, which must be "seen through" as a distraction and obstacle to liberation. This is an essential part of the ascetic ideal in mainstream Hinduism, which identifies women with nature, nature with suffering, and suffering with that which is undesirable. Feuerstein's book on Tantra is one source that spells out this chain of equivalence, and its results are well known to those who have encountered the very pointed paradox of social subjection of women in a Goddess-worshipping culture.

Tantra does not view nature as degraded or as a distraction, and therefore follows a very different logic. The world of sense and nature is seen as being part of the Ultimate, and not to be suppressed or overcome. Maya is, therefore, a matter of proper relationship to the world, not being caught in the snare of immediate sensation, but not viewing it as a trap or danger, either.

There's more to say--I just wanted to mention that there was another viewpoint.

mtpathy
July 12th, 2006, 09:44 PM
the mental plane and physical plane are so much alike that its important to
understand how to differentiate between one and the other,learning to
differentiate between that which is thought and that which is physical will
show you how you exist,within each plane independently,as well as each plan
at the same time.
learning what is action,and what is reaction is the key to differentiating
between what is thought and what is physical.
learning to do this,will show you the "gates" to each,but keep you seperate
from either,and in this way you will have found a means to exist in the present.
this is the way i have always understood maya,it might not be the best
description,but maybe everyone will get my meanings behind it.

Neosnoia
July 30th, 2006, 07:53 PM
Snapdragon brings up a very good point. There are many different schools within "Hinduism" that have pretty different takes on the nature of reality and maya.

I decided long ago that if I were ever to study the Vedanta, it would be through the Visishtadvaita philosophical viewpoint, rather than Advaita or Dvaita.

HERE (http://www.ramanuja.org/sv/bhakti/archives/may98/0061.html) is a short summary of the basic differences between those three viewpoints. :)