For those who talk to gods...

[Matsumoto]

Ok this is not a debate topic. There are pleanty of other topics for that. If you post in this thread not only do you believe in at least one god but you have talked to them either on a one time or regular basis. You are not required to devulge the name of your god(s) or godess(s) becuase my own don't want me to. Just talk about your experiences, share stories, or just be silly with no fear that others might scoff you for being a loony (its happened to me before let me tell you...) How do you communicate with them? How do they appear to you? What kind of things do you talk about? :cheers: Lets have a nice friendly discussion.

[Xirian]

How do you communicate with them?
I communicate with them through thinking, as if I'm having a conversation in my head.

How do they appear to you?
I'm not sure what you mean, physically or otherwise? They don't really appear to me in any physical sense. They are there as a feeling within, sort of a "knowing".

What kind of things do you talk about?
I talk about anything I'd talk to my boyfriend about. Anything that's going on in my life, just a regular conversation focused at a particular entity, I guess.

Interesting questions!!!

[Aleannah]

I ask them to join me

I feel their presence...I have never seen them physically, just evidence, like a candle flame flickering or something else, but even if none of that happens, I feel them.

Whatever is on my mind at the time.

[Matsumoto]

Thanks for replying guys. I meet up with mine in the astral, similar to the just chatting in my head thing. Sometimes we just chat in the head and sometimes, depending if they want to show me stuff, I open my third eyes to the astral, not to project just to have a look-see. I only have one god and one queen of the ivy godess communicating with me at the moment. I talk with other creatures too. Angels being the most frequent.

[Shield_Wolf]

I've only talked to 2 God before and they don't mind me saying who they are. 1st there is Thoth, he usuly help me in the right way when I have some trubile with my magick working. And the other one is Set, his only appered to me once and that was after a meditation I was doing and helped open up a power inside that is amasing. And the only way I can exsplane how the show themself would be to say first that I don't see thing in astral to well but I get this Really strong feeling of there presens that it all most like I can see them though just feeling them (kind of some blind people can "see" something just be feeling it.)

[Matsumoto]

First of all love love love LOVE your avatar! Hooray for Seraphim! I am one ;). anyway its great that yours are being so open. I've met with Sheeva once or twice, he's a pretty friendly god. But never really talked much. Just small talk.

[Sage Rainsong]

Hooray for Seraphim! I am one .

Just out of curiosity, are you otherkin?

[Matsumoto]

That depends on your definition. If by other kin you mean by some spiritual creature incarnated into human form then yes, that is what I am. If you don't belive it that's cool, if you doo that's cool too. Anyone who knows about this kind of thing knows you can never prove it one way or the other.

[Sage Rainsong]

That depends on your definition. If by other kin you mean by some spiritual creature incarnated into human form then yes, that is what I am. If you don't belive it that's cool, if you doo that's cool too. Anyone who knows about this kind of thing knows you can never prove it one way or the other.

It's cool. I was just asking. It's just never met anyone online or in real life who considers themselves otherkin.

Anyway to not completely hijack the thread when I speak to th Gods its more of a feeling that I get. I just become aware of their presence and start talking. I tend to work more with nature spirits at this point in my spirituality though.

[Matsumoto]

Heehee sotty if I came across as defensive, I've gotten so used to defending myself over the years ;) anyway its nie to talk to anything astral. As soon as things go silent is when I'll be worried. lol.

[Mouse]

Interesting thread. Generally I don't, (or more specifically am not alowed to,) talk about this stuff just yet, so if i'm a little vauge, please overlook that.

How do you communicate with them?
They communicate with me by setting me up a lot of the time. Long strings of "coincidences" and of people giving me advice that is often way out of character and that sort of thing, until I just give in. other times, if they want me to know something I just will. I may have never studied it, or even heard of it before but then *bang* I know the answer.
If it's something I'm expected to do for them they are usually specific, but if it's something I'm ment to learn they tend to let their humour loose. There are very few words when they communicate with me, usually it's a combination of pictures and emotion.

When I communicate with them I "speak" in the same way I would if I were practicing telepathy with a friend, or aloud. I pray often, and I've found no matter how frivolous, my prayers are always answered.
I use ritual to worship them and as a form of communication as well.


What kind of things do you talk about?
Many things. Sometimes though, we just like each others company, and we don't need to speak at all.
I worship them and sing their praises, they guide and teach me.
I ask favours from them, and follow their orders when I'm supposed to.
They surprise me every day. They hold my heart in their hands.
~Mouse

[Matsumoto]

Hey don't worry mouse I know how thigns are conducted, hence why i clearly stated before how NO ONE is forced to reveal thier god or godess. That's a personal thing and some beings don't want others to know you're talking to them for your sake.

[Vigdisdotter]

How do you communicate with them?

I talk :) seriously. To an observer it would appear as a one sided conversation (if I'm talking aloud, which I don't have to unless I want to) but it's very much a two way sharing. I don't always get words back, often it's sensations, like someone hugging my shoulders, or someone stoking my hair, or someone patting my shoulder. It can also be feelings of emotions, like pride, disapproval, joy, welcome, stern countenance, exasperation and so on.


How do they appear to you?

Sometimes visually, pother times it's just a tactile sense of something being there.


What kind of things do you talk about?

Work, my day, my love for my pets and the funny things they've done, where I'm heading spirituality, the book I'm trying write, friends and family....pretty much anything under the sun.

[LightDancer]

I talk to God all the time, and I know when He is making His presence known because I feel love and compassion and peace. I have never heard His voice as a loud booming voice, but a quiet loving voice when I am still and actually listening.


First of all love love love LOVE your avatar! Hooray for Seraphim! I am one ;).

Interesting. Seraphim were created to be in constant contact with the throne of God.They are eternally in His presence and are seen in the Bible as fervently praising God at all times. Do you perhaps feel you are especially connected to God?

Not trying to debate or anything just curious as to why you feel you are a seraphim;) feel free to PM me if you don't feel comfortable talking about it on the board:)


Jamie

[Matsumoto]

Naah don't worry jamie. I'm not at liberty to speak for other angels/ gods/ ect but i love talking about myself for I am vain ;)

My situation is a bit odd and would probably involve stuff you either don't belive in or are open to but its not your thing. To make thigns simple, Seraph is something I chose to become after a tragic event in my astral existence (I'm having deja vu while writing this, I'm going to elaborate on this event beucase if I do not in my deja vu you will ask me to explain this event if I feel comfortable.)

I was once a "bastard" godess born out of the heathen gods on the astral plane. I'll explain while I belive in gods and GOD in a later post. Lets just say GOD is the boss, gods are my parents and peers. I was betrayed and broken by another god and with some help from family and the angels I was able to get back on track. The angles I've always been especially fond of becuase all non-human (angels that were once human) never judged me or treated me badly a day in my life. So I decided to join them and they happily awarded me with that title and form (6 wings and fire-snake of doom form and all) And yes most Seraphim are as you descibed but some "God" sends on little earthy missions like me and countless others. Sometimes a regular angel can't get the jobs he wants done :) Wow...I sound so narccisistic right now, oh well you all know I don't mean things like that.

[LightDancer]

thanx for answering. I'm not sure how to reply to your post, but thank you for shining some light on your situation:)

Jamie

[Vincent Verthaine]

Me and Eris talk all the time.
Well,actually she does most of the talking,and I'm lucky to get a word in edgewise.
She usually comes over to the house to discuss Church of Eris business,and then gets sidetracked into discussing some wacky adventure one of her Avatars have gotten herself into.

For being the "Head Boss Lady In Charge Of The Multiverse",she's really quite sweet when th mood strikes her.

She stayed by my side throughout the Night Of Hurricane Katrina (my wife was already in Texas that week on business,so i was all alone hoping my house doesn't collapse on top of me), and she helped me by always letting me find plenty food and water for myself and to give to others not so fortunate as myself) wherever I went to go look for it those 11 days afterward.

[Cerulean_damselfly]

How do you communicate with them? How do they appear to you? What kind of things do you talk about?

Thank you first, for the delightful questions! I've enjoyed reading this thread and would like to contribute as well.

Communication
I was thinking about this. Sometimes ancestors are among the honored divine. Even if they only exist now spiritually to me in the form that I remember in my own mind, I remember them in a heritage way that honors their ancestral divinity. I've had some exposure to certain heritage cultures, so it gives me comfort and connection and grounds me. This is a home practice.

I've only been more active about home Shinto practices after my last grandparent departed--until then, I paid tribute to living ancestors as normally anyone would treat a beloved grandmother.

In terms of family Shinto, I refer and treat my mother and father as who they are in my nephew's eyes, beloved grandparents. Everyone enjoys this appreciation and they've truly lived a life that deserves this gentle attitude. In terms of ancestors who departed, it's a twice-monthly appreciative prayer-and-offering in spirit of the cultural background. This means rice, tea, salt, veggies or fruit and flowers in small bowls. I speak or in-my-head read an appropriate prayer in English and Japanese.

Appearances
I do think that I've lived enough to interpret some dreams or ideas that come to me...and after sifting through the essential ideas, if the message is from the divine, then I will get an outward resonation that is clean, strong and clear.

The first ideas usually are usually in a pictorial form, as I tend to think in symbols. I am drawn now to certain acoustical intonations and music and can recall them -- but I never have verbal or nonverbal voices resonating a message.

My resonations are usually 'coincidences' and they occur in small ways and are only significant to me.

Talking/Conversation

I actually think divine beings know what's happening already. I just think I'm the clueless one who has to attune and be aware of not only mundane matters, but spiritual appreciation of others.

If information needs to be imparted to me, practically or spiritually, this comes usually quietly and clearly. But not usually in voices, not usually in thunder or lightning, not in dramatic or frantic dreams...usually time validates the path and message.


Thanks for the delightful discussion,

Best regards

Cerulean_Damselfly

[~Elise~]

I was once a "bastard" godess born out of the heathen gods on the astral plane. I'll explain while I belive in gods and GOD in a later post. Lets just say GOD is the boss, gods are my parents and peers. I was betrayed and broken by another god and with some help from family and the angels I was able to get back on track. The angles I've always been especially fond of becuase all non-human (angels that were once human) never judged me or treated me badly a day in my life. So I decided to join them and they happily awarded me with that title and form (6 wings and fire-snake of doom form and all) And yes most Seraphim are as you descibed but some "God" sends on little earthy missions like me and countless others. Sometimes a regular angel can't get the jobs he wants done :) Wow...I sound so narccisistic right now, oh well you all know I don't mean things like that.

I have problems with the wording of this post... bastard goddess? meaning what? born out of wedlock? please... that is putting human constructs on the gods. I don't think that is at all possible. Gods are not tied to our rules, our restraints, our intolerance, values or lack thereof.

Betrayed and broken by another god... again have a problem with belief here. Knowing what I do of the gods... I just can not suspend my sense of incredlous disbelief. I can't see such intolerance being perptrated by a god.... what would the 'friggin' reason for something like that to occur?

It is not that I don't believe in otherkin, because I know they do...but this story sounds like a bad passion play, at least in my opinion.

Elise

[Shield_Wolf]

Knowing what I do of the gods... I just can not suspend my sense of incredlous disbelief.

Not to get on yours or anyone else bad side but what you know of Gods is not everything. God can betry, God can have "Humen" type thing about them. If you look at a lot of diiferent believes you will see that the God and the why the act are sometimes like that of humens. Hate, Love, Betryal. Do not the feel the same why. From what I know of Gods they are more like use then we all think.

[Xirian]

please... that is putting human constructs on the gods. I don't think that is at all possible. Gods are not tied to our rules, our restraints, our intolerance, values or lack thereof.
I'm confused. This thread is about how we communicate with deities. We are humans. Many humans are prone to put human constructs on things that we feel the need to put human constructs on, in order to understand them on a more personal level. It's almost like you're saying that because you don't feel these things are possible, from your point of view, that they shouldn't be that way from another person's. I hope I am wrong in my assumption.


Betrayed and broken by another god... again have a problem with belief here. Knowing what I do of the gods... I just can not suspend my sense of incredlous disbelief. I can't see such intolerance being perptrated by a god.... what would the 'friggin' reason for something like that to occur?
If you know the gods, and you and I have differing opinions on the deities, are you the one that knows the deities better than I do? Or do we just see the deities from two different perspectives since our perceptions are based on our present and past knowledge and personal experiences, and both of us are right?

I mean, we are talking about personal perceptions. I believe you believe what you do, as I believe everyone else believes what they do. I am in no position to judge their perspective on the things that enable them on their path. I'm sure others see things differently.

[Hellenic_Witch]

I talk to my gods daily several times a day...in a devotional way, in a prayerful way, and often in a friendly, casual chatting way.

About two years ago, I had no gods and I discovered (or was discovered by) Hekate....I became devoted to her, to learning about her, to discovering her, to serving her. She led me to Pan...and eventually I was led to the 12 Olympians. So now, for the past several weeks or so I have been on a Hellenic Reconstructionist path. I honor the twelve Olympians, Hekate, Pan, and Persephone. This has been a time of growth for me.

When you talk about communicating with the gods, I feel that this is not merely 'conversation' with the gods, but a way of viewing the world around you. Feeling them in the wind, recognizing that there are a multitude of gods, goddesses, and spiritual beings inhabiting the earth on a daily basis....but seeing them is more of an atitude than just mere eyesight...

When I communicate with my gods, I do so with prayers said upon waking every day, libations and offerings, and prayers said at night. I love them as I do members of my own family.

[Matsumoto]

I have problems with the wording of this post... bastard goddess? meaning what? born out of wedlock? please... that is putting human constructs on the gods. I don't think that is at all possible. Gods are not tied to our rules, our restraints, our intolerance, values or lack thereof.

Betrayed and broken by another god... again have a problem with belief here. Knowing what I do of the gods... I just can not suspend my sense of incredlous disbelief. I can't see such intolerance being perptrated by a god.... what would the 'friggin' reason for something like that to occur?

It is not that I don't believe in otherkin, because I know they do...but this story sounds like a bad passion play, at least in my opinion.

Elise

Well that IS your opinion and only that. I don't have to listen to it or like it. :) I don't take kindly to my opening up myself to others just to be shot down like that. Who said I was talking about just the pagan gods anyway? Gods can do as they please and humanity is a good time. I expected better from someone like you, "passion play" indeed...

anyway lets get back on topic! Which isn't me! ;) I had a trying time today as my most sacred of trees was cut back by neighbors. Now they were entitled to cut what was over hanging on thier property but then they cut stuff that was over our property and we all got really PO'd. The tree's spirit and "daddy" are comforting me at the moment ^^.

[~Elise~]

I talk to the gods all the time. I invite them to be part of my day. Most times it is conversations in my mind, but other times are in prayer, for want of a better word.

MY worldview--gods are not human, they are not just male, they are not just female-they are both and more than our human selves can appreciate or understand. Human constructs limit and constrain deity-even though at the same time it makes it to where we can understand them.
Deity is not human and to put human constructs onto their actions is among other things insulting, in MY opinion. Here's an example: The Divine Twins are both brothers and lovers and They are the lovers and sons of the Divine Mother--in human constructs that is both illegal in most states and goes against grain in other ways.... Is that wrong?
You going to be the one to tell them that? I'm not. Because we, as humans, are not in any way capable of understanding the full concept of Deity. We take it and define in terms WE understand and thus limit them.

JMO and obviously YMMV,

Elise

[Pythagoras_FD]

I talk to my gods daily several times a day...in a devotional way, in a prayerful way, and often in a friendly, casual chatting way.

About two years ago, I had no gods and I discovered (or was discovered by) Hekate....I became devoted to her, to learning about her, to discovering her, to serving her. She led me to Pan...and eventually I was led to the 12 Olympians. So now, for the past several weeks or so I have been on a Hellenic Reconstructionist path. I honor the twelve Olympians, Hekate, Pan, and Persephone. This has been a time of growth for me.

When you talk about communicating with the gods, I feel that this is not merely 'conversation' with the gods, but a way of viewing the world around you. Feeling them in the wind, recognizing that there are a multitude of gods, goddesses, and spiritual beings inhabiting the earth on a daily basis....but seeing them is more of an atitude than just mere eyesight...

When I communicate with my gods, I do so with prayers said upon waking every day, libations and offerings, and prayers said at night. I love them as I do members of my own family.

Well, mine was more like two weeks ago a didn't have any specific Gods or Goddesses. But I have just recently had the courage to walk down the path that had been calling to me. It is a very descidedly non-reconstructionist honoring of Dionysos, Aphrodite, and Apollo.

Haveing been at this for a short time the only one who has come to me has been Aphrodite, but I don't think that I'm allowed to talk about it in just idle conversation.

[David19]

Well that IS your opinion and only that. I don't have to listen to it or like it. :) I don't take kindly to my opening up myself to others just to be shot down like that. Who said I was talking about just the pagan gods anyway? Gods can do as they please and humanity is a good time. I expected better from someone like you, "passion play" indeed...

anyway lets get back on topic! Which isn't me! ;) I had a trying time today as my most sacred of trees was cut back by neighbors. Now they were entitled to cut what was over hanging on thier property but then they cut stuff that was over our property and we all got really PO'd. The tree's spirit and "daddy" are comforting me at the moment ^^.


MY worldview--gods are not human, they are not just male, they are not just female-they are both and more than our human selves can appreciate or understand. Human constructs limit and constrain deity-even though at the same time it makes it to where we can understand them.
Deity is not human and to put human constructs onto their actions is among other things insulting, in MY opinion. Here's an example: The Divine Twins are both brothers and lovers and They are the lovers and sons of the Divine Mother--in human constructs that is both illegal in most states and goes against grain in other ways.... Is that wrong?
You going to be the one to tell them that? I'm not. Because we, as humans, are not in any way capable of understanding the full concept of Deity. We take it and define in terms WE understand and thus limit them.

I think i like both of your beliefs about the gods, as i don't think humanity can know the 'true nature' of a god or their plans, motives, desires, maybe bits and pieces, etc but not 'everything', and i also, like pearls59, think that the gods can be either gender (like i think Zeus could shapeshift into a female form if he wanted, same with Yahweh, etc), but i also think the gods do have their own personalities, desires, motives, etc (e.g. i think Yahweh is a 'jealous god', that Apollo is bi/gay, or that Artemis likes lesbian's, Zeus will go after 'anything' that moves, etc).

BTW, Matsumoto, not to get too off topic, but when you say 'who said i was talking about just the 'pagan' gods', do you mean you were talking about Yahweh or something, or could you maybe expand on that a bit, as i'm kind of curious about it (and a lot of otherkin topics).

Thanks.

[Xirian]

Matsumoto, I enjoy reading your comments. You have some very interesting beliefs that I thoroughly enjoy reading. I'm just disappointed that others can't see them as beliefs and feel the need to attack you for them.

[Matsumoto]

BTW, Matsumoto, not to get too off topic, but when you say 'who said i was talking about just the 'pagan' gods', do you mean you were talking about Yahweh or something, or could you maybe expand on that a bit, as i'm kind of curious about it (and a lot of otherkin topics).

Thanks.

Yes. Though I only communicate with Angels, not the all of existence. And by the way people you can debate if you want. But I don't suggest it, this was only intended to share our peronal beliefs with eachother. I didn't start this with the intent of being mocked ot having to defend my perception of my past existence. I thank everyone who defended my right to view the universe as I see fit. I'll continue to post about any nice god contact that I have but I will ignore any more debatable rubbush and attacks on my personal beliefs.

[David19]

Yes. Though I only communicate with Angels, not the all of existence.

Thanks for that, BTW, i hope you don't think i was attacking your beliefs, 'cause i wasn't, i'm just curious.

But, i have another question, if you don't mind, what's your view on Yahweh, do you see him as the 'all of existence' or as an individual god?.

Thanks, and sorry if this seems like a lot of questions.

[Matsumoto]

Nothing wrong with asking questions so don't worry and you weren't being offensive so all is coo ;) I don't see Yaweh as an individual god. I see it as all of existence. Catholic teaching breifly mentions that god is in all things. I belive god IS all things and that the will of the universe is not good, evil, merciful or brutil, simply nessisary. If it is nessisarry to have a drought the so be it. If it is nessisary to have lots to eat so be it. Survival or existing is key and sometimes we simply have to break eggs to make tasty omelettes. I call "god" the all of existence becuase I think the gods are included in that existence so that it why I might view them in a not so reverant light. I mean no disrespect, I respect them but I don't worship them. If they help me out I bake them astral brownies :)

[Xentor]

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[Xirian]

Matsumoto one more thing.

Sometimes this forum reminds me of this Jehovah's Witness forum I ran across, that allowed absolutely no room for discussion, because they view things one way and no other way is acceptable to them. I'm glad it only happens once in a while here.

That is the very reason I am on a pagan path now. I apologize to you specifically for trying to stand up for you when I know that is something you are obviously capable of. Sometimes I just read something and it just doesn't make any sense or sit right with me, and I feel I have to get to the bottom of it, but that isn't always necessary, because understanding others isn't always necessary.

I hope others will share their thoughts on how they communicate with the deities, I think this topic is very interesting!!!

[Matsumoto]

Matsumoto one more thing.

Sometimes this forum reminds me of this Jehovah's Witness forum I ran across, that allowed absolutely no room for discussion, because they view things one way and no other way is acceptable to them. I'm glad it only happens once in a while here.

That is the very reason I am on a pagan path now. I apologize to you specifically for trying to stand up for you when I know that is something you are obviously capable of. Sometimes I just read something and it just doesn't make any sense or sit right with me, and I feel I have to get to the bottom of it, but that isn't always necessary, because understanding others isn't always necessary.

I hope others will share their thoughts on how they communicate with the deities, I think this topic is very interesting!!!

Don't you worry your head! I liked that you and the rest were standing up for me :) I didn't want this to be a debate topic becuase debates can get really ugly for everyone really fast. I was attacked, you defend me, then you get attacked, someone defends you blah! it just snowballs out of control ^_^ With sharing someone might not like your point of view but they have to adhere to the rule of "if you can't say something nice..." etc.

And when people ask me questions about myself that's not debating thats asking me to share which is something I have absolutly no problem with. And you're right I can defend myself but I really shouldn't have to on a site like this, ne? :) So I sort of refuse to, I tend to just ignore people who attack my beliefs, just like my friends and I in the straight-gay allience ignored those silly christian protesters at outfeast :) Straight allies forever!! heehee.

[Xirian]

Well, I'll certainly remember your above post and try to incorporate it into the way that I post here. You are right, your beliefs shouldn't be attacked, sometimes it's difficult to just sit by and watch that happen. But sometimes that's what's best.

Thank you for understanding!!!

[Little Billy]

Me and Eris talk all the time.
Well,actually she does most of the talking,and I'm lucky to get a word in edgewise.



"Bob" just calls late at night and breathes heavily into the phone.

[Ryden]

Nothing special really, I just talk to Him like I would a Friend, a Counselor, a Father, etc, anytime and anyplace.

[RakliDipity]

"Bob" just calls late at night and breathes heavily into the phone.

You'd want to see if you could get a restraining order on him.:hehehehe:

Anyway, I talk to my Gods, like many people have said, sort of thinking to myself and having the events happen, it happens regularly when I'm listening to music

[Shield_Wolf]

Anyway, I talk to my Gods

Ya, I like my Gods too. As of late (more like two day) I have had the Honor (like a lot of my friends) to PARTY:cheers: with them. And Oh'Man do they know how to party.

[Matsumoto]

interesting enough I've learned from friends and from gods of an old clan order that revolved around "the sun" or the essence of life. Its my current obession lol. Anyone know anything about the 4 mytical animal clans? (dragon, gryphon, unicorn and phoenix?)

[Arion]

I talk to my gods in a prayer sort of way, it's not like I shoot the breeze with them about the weather or anything like that :p When I need some help with something, or I just want to feel close to them, I pray to them in my head.

[Vigdisdotter]

[quote=Xirian]If you know the gods, and you and I have differing opinions on the deities, are you the one that knows the deities better than I do? Or do we just see the deities from two different perspectives since our perceptions are based on our present and past knowledge and personal experiences, and both of us are right?quote]

Jumping in here :) I'd say the latter. How we view and interact with the gods is the same way we do with people. Think about your social group and all the people in it. Now pick one person. Think about how you react to them, do you like them, do they piss you off? Now think about how your other friend react to that same person. Willing to be that while there are similarities the reaction (and by extension the reason for it) is not the same.

I was in a group with a friend last year. And she and I were both fond of the leaders husband. He was a sweat guy that was a joy to be around...most of the time. However, he was fairly high strung and was prone to emotional outbursts. When those out bursts happened, my friend would leave the area. She couldn't handle it because they triggered less then pleasant childhood memories for her. And it was during these times that she saw him as borderline abusive.

Myself on the other hand just rode out the outbursts. I'd sit there, I'd listen but it was no big deal to me. And I most certainly didn't see him as borderline abusive. If anything, I say him as being on the childish side but that was it.

Now my friend and I have very different family histories and it talking we realize that we were reacting to those outbursts based on that history. In my house it was ignored and people went on with their days. But in her, it was the warning signal of emotional abuse to come.

Was the husband any less a sweat, delightful man? No, but we say the same situation and behavior in a different light, so in that instance we view HIM differently and this influenced our reactions.

It's the same with the gods. How I view Loki (for example) will probably be different from how others do, given my own past as well as my personal experiences with him.

It's not even 8am here, and I've had no caffeine, so I really hope this makes sense :P

[KiNoRonin]

I last talked to my Patron Deity when I first found it on June 10th 2000. That was the Day I found my Sacred Survivor Eucalyptus Tree in Hiroshima Japan.

I give Greetings to the Sun every Morning and say Goodbye every Sunset.

And I give Loving Energies to Basteth every time I take hold of and talk to my Feline Familiar TWS.

KNR

[Myrr]

I "commune" with my Deities everyday. Sometimes they "talk" back. Their form of communication is more of placing enlighting thoughts in my mind/spiritual being more then anything else.