For all of you who can speak elvish (JRR Tolkien style. . . )

[Sequoia]

what do the words
Mornië utúlië
Mornië alantië

mean? ^^;;;

thanks!!

[Sequoia]

*bumpity* (because I'm impatient! :D )

[Lavender]

Yeah, now I'm curious too. I don't speak elvish or anything like that. Where did you find those words, Puma?

[Sequoia]

it's part of the lyrics from the LOTR ending song, "May It Be"

I want to know!! ^__^;

[Doctor Oakroot]

Quenya:

Darkness comes
darkness radiating

Not sure of radiating and I need to look at a Quenya grammar to be sure of the tense, etc.

[Doctor Oakroot]

On further consideration and in consultation with "The Languages of Tolkien's Middle-earth" by Ruth S. Noel....

I think it says (still in Quenya):

Darkness came, darkness has fallen.

[Lavender]

That sounds like a worthy book to look into.

[Doctor Oakroot]

It's very cool, especially if you're familiar with linguistics. Noel is a linguist and analyzes the Elvish texts of Tolkien's various works as if she were trying to reconstruct the grammar of a real ancient language.

And even if you're not into linguistics, the book includes English to Elvish and Elvish to English glossaries.

[Sequoia]

my dear friend Cami is learning Quyenian (arg that's not right. . . -_-; can't spell). But she was distracted the last time I asked her ^^;

[Élistariel]

I can't do those dottie things, so...
mornie utulie
darkness has come
mornie alantie
darkness has fallen

also try this site:
http://www.uib.no/People/hnohf/

[xjsjaglvr]

Though I think that learning a new language is fun and expands your ability to understand others please remember that studying a language in a book of fiction is rather, shall I say pointless. Puts you in the same league with those at Star Trek conventions speaking Klingonese.

[flar7]

is never pointless, to be able to learn a new language, even a fictional one, is very helpful to oneself. It teaches the brain new
ways to think. (Have taken non fiction launguages and half ass
attempts at klingon-same mind set except for cultural immersion)

[WandererInGray]

Here here Flar!

The pursuit of a person interest is never "pointless".....

*grins* I tried to learn Klingon with my brother, but he can't pronounce the words properly.

[Lavender]

I remember watching a documentary on Tolkien. He was very interested in languages. The languages he used in his books are made up but are based on real linguistic patterns.

[Élistariel]

Made up languages are not pointless. After all, the language you speak now didn't just *poof* and appear one day. Sure, it wasn't created by one person, and it's developed significantly. Give these made up ones a chance. Remember (nearly) everything is made up. I mean, how often are you sitting in front of your computer, reading mysticwicks, and a pizza materializes by your side?

[wyshbringer]

I can't wait to learn Elvish. My hubby wants to learn it too. I love languages like that it makes me feel like I am from someplace in time long ago.

besides you can use them in front of the kids and they won't know what your saying! :D



Wyshbringer

[materra]

Just don't use pig latin, It's too simple and the kids learn it faster than you do. Dang it all. :(

[Storm]

I think it would be great to learn and use in magical ritual and spells. It is mystically empowering. IMO

[Journeyman]

Originally posted by materra
Just don't use pig latin, It's too simple and the kids learn it faster than you do. Dang it all. :(

Pig Latin still works against our four year old. You just have to avoid the easy words, like "ananabay!"

Whilst a geek in High School, I was very proud of myself for puzzling out the Quenya alphabet and compiling an Elvish-English dictionary. Then I saw that the alphabet is laid out at the end of The Return of the King, and then I felt silly.

[earthcat]

I agree with flar... if you take it upon yourself to learn a new language, then bully for you. You not just learning a new language, regardless of what it is, your learning a new thinking process. And that's not an easy thing to do....
So those of you that are learning Elven, Klingon, or even advanced pig-latin,
have my admiration!

[Fear-farsain]

I'm just started learning Quenya myself, as well as the Elvish Tengwar script, which I think is beautiful. I made some Christmas gifts for my friends and translated their names into Quenya equivalents (the meanings of their names into Elvish). Added a picture and wallah something they can hang on their wall. :D

I don't see anything as 'pointless' if I'm enjoying it. That in itself is empowering. It would only be useless if I intended to visit Spain and speak to the locals and learned Quenya instead of Spanish. :P

Tolkien created 15 languages for Middle Earth, including several mannish tongues, dwarven and the black speech of the Orcs. He also created some other tongues including a couple of nonsense ones. I figure if I can learn Quenya, I can learn pretty much anything. Plus, its handy for writing things down in diaries and what not.

Here are some cool links, if you use the name one, post you Elvish name!

http://www.elvish.org/elm/names.html (names)

My apologies, I seem to have lost the proper links for the others. If you Google search you should be able to find them. :)

Hope you enjoy

[LordJoker1977]

Mine lie un mine Anar ar Isil (Quenya)

translation---one people under one sun and moon


(from my begining lessons in Quenya)



Once I learn more I'll try to pass it on

also if anyone can tell me how to put the dots over letters, please pass it on

[Danustouch]

Well..they didn't have my name...not exactly at least. Jean. They had Jeanne, and said it was derived from Jane or Joan (half true)...so...I figured that was close enough. The closest approximation to my name in elvish..would be.......

Eruantele Mirime

[Pan]

My source for Elfin would be this:

www.grey-company.org/Language

I downloaded the dictionary. It has grammar and everything in it. Highly recommended. It's visible online and as a document to download and print.

Aa’ menle nauva calen ar’ ta hwesta e’ ale’quenle

"May thy paths be green and the breeze on thy back."

[CloakofStars9]

it is a beautiful language...me and my sis are gonna learn it so we can talk to eachother when we dont want others to know what we are talking about ;)

[LordJoker1977]

thanks loki-that is really helpful

:elf:

[Élistariel]

Ataralasse Manveri (first and middle)

[Fear-farsain]

Mine would be Varniher, which has a nice ring to it. :) Speaking of using it for private diaries and the like, with the Tengwar script you could write in practically any language and therefore make it harder for prying eyes* to translate. The script itself is fairly easy to grasp, and with a touch of calligraphy an absolute delight to write in.

I'm going to attempt to download the dictionary, to see what it's like in comparison to this one:


http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Shadowlands/4101/e-q.html

Edit: I downloaded it, and its a nice addition to the above. Phrase book here I come!





*As Gollum would say "Not its businesss" :)

[Journeyman]

Originally posted by CloakofStars9
...me and my sis are gonna learn it so we can talk to eachother when we dont want others to know what we are talking about ;)

Interestingly enough, that's the very thing that Tolkien himself said he didn't want the language used for!

[Siarlas]

I got two versions for my first name... So I'm either

Alasse Sorontur

or

Merye Sorontur

not sure which one I prefer... I've still got the name that was under mine going through my head...
now how does one go about changing their name? :T

[SerenityMoon]

journeyman:
and i can see why. i think that's one of the main reasons it annoys some people when they want to take up a language like that...becuase a lot of people want to for the sole purpose of having a "secret" language...it should be a form of serious expression, something that you are dedicated to learning and understanding...languages have backgrounds, maps, entire histories, and to just learn it to make it a "secret language" is kind of a waste of time in my opinion..*Shrugs*

[fire_Raven]

igpay atinlay isay easyay....
of course children pick up on it fast ^_~
i learned it from a book about a swamp monster in the 7th grade... lol the two main characters spoke it, ofwourse everytime they did it was on't-day et-lay the-ay amp-sway onster-may (know what you're saying) don't want to type it all out... it was acctually a very dull book, but the pig ;latin thing was a music... i highly doubt the best spoke english, besides it could read the womens mind cause she was possed anyways...

but yeah! thats besides the point, i'm learning to speak elvish... tis fun... i was talking on a walkie talkie in it on christmas and people where tweaking out...

NaAman! (blessed Be or Be blessed...)

Raven

http://www.grey-company.org/Circle/language/intro.htm
one of the tomes is a dictionary...
the other is a common phrase thing... i printed it all out O.o

[Fear-farsain]

Secret language issues eh? This could be to do with Tolkien's cousins using a language called Animalic amongst themselves. Still, they didn't keep it a secret (well, not from him!) and that was what either spurred him on or gave him the idea in the first place.

Look here:

http://www.uib.no/People/hnohf/vice.htm

Although a michievious side of me thinks it could be quite amusing to speak 'secretly' in Elvish, its more an indulgence into my creative side and a way to write things privately. Surely no one can begrudge me that? ;)

And, if people use the dictionary I posted, you can see what my title means. :)

Kind regards

FF

[Journeyman]

And, on only a slight tangent :), I found it interesting to read Tolkien's thoughts on Esperanto : http://donh.best.vwh.net/Languages/tolkien1.html