Saturn/Neptune Opposition - Theme 0f '06

[RedRose]

Here is an interesting article about these times:

http://www.astro-counseling.com/html/2006_forecasts.html

The Saturn Neptune Opposition

The Central Theme of 2006

Saturn and Neptune form 180-degree oppositions, with the Earth between them, approximately once every 36 years. Saturn circumnavigates the zodiac every 29 years approximately and Neptune every 165 years.

Saturn is called “The Great Teacher,” who brings lessons to be learned, a time of maturing by taking on responsibilities. Saturn’s realm is the economy, government and business. Neptune represents transitions and confusions. Its realm includes religion, art, inspiration, compassion, deceptions and delusions.

Saturn in Leo will soon advance into an opposition to Neptune in Aquarius that will shape geopolitical and economic events across our world and it will also create more of a divide between government (Saturn) versus religion (Neptune). The energy began to be set up when Saturn entered Leo last July 2005. Authoritarian Saturn in Leo represents the empowerment of governments into the hands of autocratic leaders. Neptune in Aquarius, on the other hand, is the grass root powers of the populace and democracy. Not only is this a conflict between corporations and the consumers, but also between religion and government; as being fought out in Iraq but also here in America with the debate over Evolution versus Intelligent Design.

[business voodoo]

yes, red rose, that definitely is a major theme of our year ... i think it also is the impetus for the major discussions lately of science v. religion we are seeing ... an attempt to separate and integrate the things we are learning via science and our out-dated religious templates that have a lot of people going 'hmmmmm' ...

[RedRose]

Hi businessvoodoo,

Here are two "History Of Oil" references. The first is an article about Saturn Opposition Neptune and the second is a currently very popular video from the UK. I found it at Google-Video at the top of the list when I SEARCHED for "stand up comedy". It is actually a stage show and lasts 46 minutes, and I watched the whole thing!

http://www.world-of-wisdom.com/04_articles/2006/01_oil.htm

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7374585792978336967&q=history+oil&hl=en

RedRose

[Shatril]

All sorts of things are pointing at the current world circumstances. I can't even seem to do a tarot reading without it interfering because it is so strong. I don't like this. If I were a Christian I'd start preparing for the rapture and armaggedon. The opposition of religion and government is exactly what the bible teaches is the beginning of the end. I'm also going through my second Saturn return now, and that has been quite painful and enlightening.

Shatril

[RedRose]

Hi Shatril,

Nice to meet you. I am 51 this year, completing my Chiron Return. Several here are approaching their first Saturn Returns. What sign and house is your Saturn in, and what has it been like? Has it reflected the same issues as your first Saturn Return?

RedRose

[Shatril]

Hi Shatril,

Nice to meet you. I am 51 this year, completing my Chiron Return. Several here are approaching their first Saturn Returns. What sign and house is your Saturn in, and what has it been like? Has it reflected the same issues as your first Saturn Return?

RedRose

Hello RedRose,

My first Satrun return was about growing into myself. At the age of 28 is when I really became an adult. Prior to that I was just playing at it. I kind of think that is what the Saturn return is for many. My Saturn is within a 9 degree orb of Pluto which is a 6 degree orb of my Sun, and all are in Leo. Saturn is in my 11th house as is Pluto and my sun is in the 10th house.

This second return seems to be about life change. Moving from a focus on family, career, and home to a more inwardly visionary of my spirituality. In other words moving from the concerns of the flesh to concerns of the spirit. This is painful in many ways, because I sure could have used these insights when I was younger. It is like going now why hadn't I figured that out years ago. I still have a way to go, but at least I'm not where I used to be. I could go on for a long time here, but I think you get the picture of what is happening. I know that Saturn returns mark huge events in my life, and are usually associated with great changes in not only my spiritual, but it also is a transition for my mind and body as well. When you think about it, no wonder it is painful. LOL

Thanks for the opportunity to share RedRose.

Shatril

[RedRose]

Wow Shatril!

Leo Sun/Pluto/Saturn conjunct on the cusp of the 11th House! Do you work, in a dramatic sort of meta-Leo way, for the New Paradigm (11th House)? Are you a visionary, or an activist, in a public way?

I think of Saturn as "dharma". It is about our "calling" - what we are called to do, about what we are called to work at, and seriously study this life.

RedRose

[Shatril]

Wow Shatril!

Leo Sun/Pluto/Saturn conjunct on the cusp of the 11th House! Do you work, in a dramatic sort of meta-Leo way, for the New Paradigm (11th House)? Are you a visionary, or an activist, in a public way?

I think of Saturn as "dharma". It is about our "calling" - what we are called to do, about what we are called to work at, and seriously study this life.

RedRose

At first I read DRAMA instead of Dharma, and drama more closely defines how most things come down for me. However, Dharma is also good.

I am an activist and a visionary. In a public way, only throught the fact that I have contact with lots of people in the performance of my work. I spend lots of time with very well educated people, and have ample opportunity to preach my beliefs in a way that is non-threatening and usually quite fun. I even get people to change my mind, and I change some minds myself. hehehe I've had a hard time not to get out my "Give peace a chance banners" lately. :rollingla

Shatril

[RedRose]

Hi Shatril,

Drama indeed with Saturn/Sun/Pluto in Leo! Life cannot be dull with such a conjunction! Maybe now that Pluto is mellowing and has been found to have an equal partner in Charon, your Drama/Dharma will mellow some. What do you think?

Saturn ages well in any event. You having any increase in psychic powers?

RedRose

[the monk]

The Saturn/Neptune opposition can trigger events, on Sunday 27th August, just before mid-night, a bomb exploded in Marmaris, Turkey (Lat. 36*N51', Long. 28*E16), 21 people injured, including 10 Britons.
If you make up a chart you will the Neptune/Saturn opposition very near the M.C./I.C. axis.
On Thursday 31st August 2006, a barrage of bomb, rocket attacks killed 47, and wounded at least 200 in Baghdad, the attacks occurred between 18:30pm. and 18:30pm.....i have set a time of 18:18pm, please view news report and Baghdad chart on attachment.
You will find the Neptune/Saturn opposition very near the Ascen/Desc. axis.

[Shatril]

Hi Shatril,

Drama indeed with Saturn/Sun/Pluto in Leo! Life cannot be dull with such a conjunction! Maybe now that Pluto is mellowing and has been found to have an equal partner in Charon, your Drama/Dharma will mellow some. What do you think?

Saturn ages well in any event. You having any increase in psychic powers?

RedRose

Well however it happens I think most people mellow when they age, :rollingla and that has sure been the case with me. As for psychic, you are spot on with that one. I am in constant communication with my spirit guide, and occassionally am jerked up by God/dess. It used to be just a niggling tickle in the back of my mind, now it is actual conversations that are words and replies. This unnerved me when it first started, but I'm getting used to it. The way I differentiate it from that ugly little negative voice that plays in peoples heads was when I realized that the voice of my guide and God/dess are NEVER negatively inclined, and never cut to the bone in a hurtful way.

I don't exactly believe in Satan and Hell, but I sure believe in a "Devil" of sorts, which is that negative little voice that plays in your head. You know the one that has your mother's, father's, or other significant person's voice that plays negative scripts in your head and tries to keep you from moving forward and improving your lot in life.

Monk, your stuff is really scary, but certainly proves that astrology plays a big roll in how things play out in the world.

Shatril

[the monk]

The Neptune/Saturn opposition seems to be at work today near Kandahar, Afghanistan.
Quote from B.B.C. report on 18th September 2006.
A suicide bomber has killed at least four Canadians in an attack on a Nato patrol in the southern Afghan province of Kandahar.
I have set my chart to the town of Kandahar, 31*N36', 65*E42'.
Police said a number of civilians were also hurt when the bomber rode a bicycle laden with explosives into a crowd of troops and children, which happened approx. 9:30 local time.
If you make up a chart you will find the Neptune/Saturn opposition within a few degrees of the M.C/I.C.

[the monk]

On Saturday 23rd September a bomb blew up a kerosene tanker truck in Baghdad's Sadr City neighbourhood, killing 37, dozens badly burned.
This happened at 10:00am.
I dont record all terrorist attacks in Baghdad, but this was a very nasty one.
News item from Daily Telegraph U.K.
The Neptune, Jupiter/P.O.F. and Saturn T-square seemingly is connected.
If you make up a chart you will find Neptune at 17*23' Aquarius, and the I.C. at 13*53' Aquarius.

[Shatril]

On Oct. 16, 2006 I get hit with a Saturn Return. I'm gonna be dealing with this for about the next year, as Saturn goes retrograd and hits me again, and the when it goes direct I get hit again. I look forward to the changes. I have some good stuff in the works, so hopefully this means good stuff for me.
Don't want no bombs.

LOL, Shatril

[the monk]

Hi Shatril,
Dont get personal and mundane astrology mixed up, i have put another attack chart and news item on attachment for today, 26th Sept.
Again, this shows a connection to the Saturn, Jupiter, Saturn T-square on the angles, with help from the Moon, that has parans for today with El-Nath, associated with weapons.
Suicide attack in Lashkar Gah, Afghanistan, at 9:30am.

[Shatril]

Hi Shatril,
Dont get personal and mundane astrology mixed up, i have put another attack chart and news item on attachment for today, 26th Sept.
Again, this shows a connection to the Saturn, Jupiter, Saturn T-square on the angles, with help from the Moon, that has parans for today with El-Nath, associated with weapons.
Suicide attack in Lashkar Gah, Afghanistan, at 9:30am.

AAAAAAAAwell I didn't know that I was getting them confused. Sorry for that.

Shatril

[RedRose]

Hi Monk,

Is there a difference between the macro and the micro? I fear I "confuse" personal and global astrology constantly - like I can't tell the difference.

You say you do not study your own chart but that is not truthful. You cannot help but comprehend your own chart and everyone elses because you read scopes, all scopes, instantly.

I learn so much astrology from you. Thank you for looking at these big world events the way you do. But my brother, next time I see a chart with Juno conjunct the mid-heaven, whether it is an event chart or someone's natal chart, I am going to interpret it the same. Juno has a BOOM side to her. She does.

RedRose

[the monk]

Hi Monk,

Is there a difference between the macro and the micro? I fear I "confuse" personal and global astrology constantly - like I can't tell the difference.

You say you do not study your own chart but that is not truthful. You cannot help but comprehend your own chart and everyone elses because you read scopes, all scopes, instantly.

I learn so much astrology from you. Thank you for looking at these big world events the way you do. But my brother, next time I see a chart with Juno conjunct the mid-heaven, whether it is an event chart or someone's natal chart, I am going to interpret it the same. Juno has a BOOM side to her. She does.

RedRose
Hi RedRose,
Thanks for the praise, but i really dont study personal charts, and gave up on my own a long time ago, so have little knowledge of the effect of Juno in a personal chart.
I find mundane astrology much more interesting....In personal astrology we dont often think of the Moon as aggressive, although at the full Moon we know there is greater activity in mental hospitals, and U.S. police did a study and found that murders increased during full Moons.
Obviously the chart on the Bailey high school is approx. as i couldnt find this small town on my astrology programme and chose Littleton, Colorado instead, which is 30 miles away, but wouldnt make much difference to Asc. and M.C. (Posted on "Peace agreements, Calandars and 9/11).
You will find the Moon on Asc. and Juno on M.C.
The Beslan,Russia school attack started at 09:00am. on 1st Sept 2004
And if you make up a chart, you will find the Moon on the Desc.,and Juno on the I.C., which is a reversed mirror image of the Bailey attack.
The Moon does come up a lot on the angles in assassinations, Rabin was assassinated at 21:40pm on 4th Nov. 1995, in Tel Aviv, Israel, with the Moon about a degree away from the M.C.
I,ve looked at Lincoln's assassination in great detail and am confident that he was assassinated at approx 22:15pm in Washington D.C. on 14th April 1865, Moon exactly conjunct Asc.
The Queens cousin, Lord Mountbatten was assassinated on 27th August 1979, at 11:30am., in Mullaghmore Ireland by the I.R.A., (54*N27', 08*W26'), Moon within two degrees of Asc.
And giving a further example of many, the assassination of President Sadat happened at approx. 12:47pm, on 6th October 1981 in Cairo Egypt.
Moon conjunct Asc in Capricorn.
Examples in mundane astrology can seem scary, but in a personal chart, i wouldnt want anyone being suspicious of their Moon's placement or Juno's!

[RedRose]

Hi Monk,

I think that the differences between how astrologers interpret events and how we look at natal charts is only in how we apply the meanings to different subject matter. People are not events, of course. Still, here are three examples of what it means to have Moon conjunct ASC in a natal chart, copied straight from the internet. I think it is easy to see, reading these descriptions, why a Moon conjunct ASC "moment" or "event" can easily turn nasty.

RedRose

<<The Moon conjunct the Ascendant: You are a mass of contradictions: making demands on people but complaining when they do the same to you; expecting others to make overtures to you and withdrawing when they do; hoping for warm social contacts, but severing ties before they can be established. When you do succeed in forming a close relationship, you rarely make any commitment of your affection until you have been assured that the feeling is mutual. Although you are highly imaginative, you react to stimulating people in a generally negative and critical way. You are so emotional that it is nearly impossible for you to make a fair evaluation of people's motives toward you. http://www.astrologyweekly.com/astrological-aspects/moon-conjunct-ascendant.php>>

<<Moon Conjunct Ascendant:
Your emotions mislead you and spoil your plans. It would be better to proceed in a sober manner and put your logic to work until you have developed more emotional security. Otherwise, you will have to deal with family conflicts that will overwhelm you and may effect your metabolism.

http://www.manic-raven.com/astrology/Moon_Aspect.htm>>

<<The moon conjunct ascendant means that your unconscious emotional response to the world is expressed spontaneously for all to see.
http://www.acaila.com/moon-conjunct-ascendant/>>

[the monk]

Great inspiration, RedRose!
We are servants of people, we teach each other, but have chosen a different way of explaining, thus we need each other, i have great concerns that people get damaged by how i look at mundane astrology, in relation to personal astrology.....there is connection, but you are better than me in explaining, i have merit in the collective, in a small way, but you are able to show how this effects the individual better than myself....i have been damaged too much with personal issues, and find my care comes out in where we all are going, you also have damage, but you are very personal in your approach. We help each other! No one leads!

[RedRose]

Big hug Monk,

It is good that you look at world events, including casting the scopes for terrorist attacks. And yes they are scary, but that isn't your fault. You are simply reporting. Astrological research into current events is WAY scary. Thank you for showing us. You are a humble UK astrology geek, not out to bum anyone out. You are just reportng the facts.

Scary.

Truthfully you and I both have scary personal charts too. Your chart belongs in a museum of modern art and mine belongs in a zoo.

Wheres your Chiron again? In Aquarius?

RedRose

[business voodoo]

which is what is so great about the macrocasm ... there is room and a place and a perfect part for each microcasm to play!

[the monk]

Hi RedRose and Business Voodoo,
My regret is my health isn't good, which means i miss so much!
We have talked about the Neptune/Saturn opposition for a few months, but as you can see on attachments, at least from 18th Nov. 2005, the effect of this was taking place. Please view attachments showing suicide terrorist attack on Nov. 18th 2005 at approx. midday.
News report for Iraq from New York Times regarding attack in Khanaqin, Iraq, killing at least 70 people.
Chart on attachment shows the Neptune/Saturn opposition conjunct Asc./Desc.

[Thunder]

I went to a workshop given by Dr. Jude Currivan last week. She spoke of this phenomenon and others. I am a neophyte in this area and would love to know the best place to start to gain some level of understanding (enough so as not to feel like an idiot). Can anyone point me in the right direction.

This is the link to the workshop I attended. http://www.judecurrivan.com//workshops/USANewYorkCosmicShift201213EveningseminarTuesday26thSeptember2006.shtml

To whom does one go to find out about ones self, astrologically?

[business voodoo]

thunder ...

that looked like it was a very interesting conference ... the 2012/13 shift, i believe, is the one we have been working our way towards since 2004 (well, perhaps it did start in 1989, but i would say under "high heat" since 2004), with our next major astrological event being the pluto/galactic center conjunction at the end of december this year.

where do you as an individual fit in all of this? ... start a thread, put down your date, time and place of birth ... you will get a beginning of an astrological reading from a variety of those who do that kind of thing here. if you have some specific questions and need a more detailed reading beyond that, contact the astrologer and have a thorough private reading done.

as for where to begin to study ... depends on where you are, your current context and where you want to go ... http://businessvoodoo.blogspot.com/2006/04/living-sidereally-in-tropical-world.html ... is an article i wrote (toot toot), describing what i think is the astrological tools to help with the transition we are going through ... i would also say, thanks to the introduction to her by fluffmeister, am beginning to include the work of 'visual astrology' by bernadette brady as well.

the attachment of this reality to time is what is key to the jump to the next dimension, so that's why the 'calendar' debate (which encompasses the zodiac debate) is on the forefront and why so many have attached to the ancient mayan calculations for their focus of the consciousness of as many people as possible to certain times and dates in our collective experience ... but that may be a discussion for a different thread.

[Thunder]

thunder ...

that looked like it was a very interesting conference ... the 2012/13 shift, i believe, is the one we have been working our way towards since 2004 (well, perhaps it did start in 1989, but i would say under "high heat" since 2004), with our next major astrological event being the pluto/galactic center conjunction at the end of december this year.

where do you as an individual fit in all of this? ... start a thread, put down your date, time and place of birth ... you will get a beginning of an astrological reading from a variety of those who do that kind of thing here. if you have some specific questions and need a more detailed reading beyond that, contact the astrologer and have a thorough private reading done.

as for where to begin to study ... depends on where you are, your current context and where you want to go ... http://businessvoodoo.blogspot.com/2006/04/living-sidereally-in-tropical-world.html ... is an article i wrote (toot toot), describing what i think is the astrological tools to help with the transition we are going through ... i would also say, thanks to the introduction to her by fluffmeister, am beginning to include the work of 'visual astrology' by bernadette brady as well.

the attachment of this reality to time is what is key to the jump to the next dimension, so that's why the 'calendar' debate (which encompasses the zodiac debate) is on the forefront and why so many have attached to the ancient mayan calculations for their focus of the consciousness of as many people as possible to certain times and dates in our collective experience ... but that may be a discussion for a different thread.

Thank you for the starting point and I will read the link when I am not so tired (it is 3:15 AM here now). I have to find out what time of day I was born. Thank you again.

[the monk]

Hi everyone,
Both Jude Currivan and myself are members (my membership run out because of bad heath, on attachment), of "The London College of Psychic Studies", which is the area that i originated from, which is my strongest area, as well as my love of sacred geometry.....i do talk to all groups, including top level masons/Knight Templars. I do correspond with Jude sometimes, you may find a few email addresses on attachment from an article from the members of the College of psychic studies magazine, Winter 2004, but dont say you found it from me!
A few hours ago, the police issued a press conference about todays attack on a Amish school in the small town of Nickel Mines, Pennsylvania, Monday 2 Oct. 2006.
Details as follows:-
3 girls murdered between 6-13, a further 3 girls critical after being shot in the head, 1 teacher also killed, gunman committed suicide.
Gunman entered school approx. 09:51am, and lined all girls up in front of blackboard after tying their hands, boys and some adults were released and let go.
Amish communities dont have phones, so one adult run to a house where she knew had a phone.
Police received call at 10:36am, and were on the scene by 10:45am.
The gunman named Charles Roberts, a truck driver, made two calls, one to his wife, explaining he was committing suicide, and another to a local radio station threatening if the police didnt keep their distance then he would kill the school children...he opened fire at approx. 11:00am.
I cannot find Nickel Mines on my astrology programme, but i know one of the victims was taken to Philadelphia, which isnt far away.
So for a quick chart i have used Philadelphia as location, chart on attachment, for time of 09:51am, showing the Neptune/Saturn opposition conjunct M.C./I.C.

[the monk]

I know i go on a bit about the angles, but lets pull it all together, i'ved talked about the Moon on an angle, and this thread is about the Neptune/Saturn opposition.
B.B.C. report on attachment.
Chart relating to B.B.C. report on attachment.
McDonald's shooting at 17:25pm. on Thurday 28th September 2006, in London.
Saturn on Desc., obviously the Neptune/Saturn opposition is declining so Neptune at approx. 6 degrees off Asc., Moon within 3' of exact conjunction of M.C.

[business voodoo]

i'm really tired of guns. maybe this is what this neptune/saturn is trying to show us ... you make weapons to kill each other, someone's going to use them and kill someone ... this is some intense stuff ... thanks for the chart monk ...

i just wonder about the boomerang were gonna feel once neptune moves direct again ... i'm seeing some major growth in peace/non-violent movement once that happens, anyone else feel that?

[the monk]

Hi Business Voodoo,
Because i spread myself within a lot of complicated subjects, i am not a master of astrology, i have just been talking to Maurice, i'm afraid the Saturn/Neptune opposition isnt in decline, we have two more rounds due to retrograde.
1) Feb. 28th 2007 @ 20* Leo/Aquarius.
2) Late June @ 21* Leo/Aquarius.
So we have to put up with it till late Summer 07! *@!+=!!!!!...The only way i can use a bad word on a forum!

[the monk]

The orb between the opposition of Neptune and Saturn is widening for the time being, yet Jupiter that expands is forming a T-Square between them, so dont be surprised when you find Jupiter on an angle instead of either Saturn or Neptune!
This happened today, 11th Oct. 2006 between 14:42-45pm. in New York, which was an accident involving Cory Lidle, Baseball Star and pilot of a small plane that crashed into a Manhattan apartment building.
Details from two newspaper reports and chart showing Jupiter on M.C. squaring Neptune and Saturn on Attachment.

[Elsa]

Here's an article. Easy to read, funny, with stories...

Coping With The Current Saturn Neptune Opposition - It's a Hall Of Mirrors and We're All In It (http://www.elsaelsa.com/archives/2006/08/31/coping-with-the-current-saturn-neptune-opposition-its-a-hall-of-mirrors-and-were-all-in-it/)

[Kadynas]

Hi Red Rose! Long time no see... ;)

Saturn in Leo opposing Neptune in Aquarius at the same time as my Saturn Return has been interesting to say the least. On one hand I feel more creative than ever before... on the other hand I'm finding it hard to bring my creative ideas into manifestation. I have lots of plans and goals, but somehow can't see all the steps involved between here and the end-zone. :lol:

Basically this is a time of intense study for me in my astrological endeavors... I've decided I want to do it professionally, as its always felt like a calling to me. So I'm reading even more than usual (which is saying a lot!), and looking into certification exams and/or apprenticeship programs trying to decide how I want to get there from here. It's also a time of intense creativity for me... my dreams have never been more vivid, I have lots of new ideas. I don't know what I'm going to /do/ with my art; right now I'm just committed to doing it, and I'll figure out what to use it for later. I've been considering opening up a Cafe Press shop and creating a promo package so that I can do freelance graphic design and/or commissions for my mixed media work. My day job hasn't been cutting it for me, and I find myself more frustrated with it every day, so I'm making plans and goals so that I can make a living doing what I love, doing what is truly important to me, rather than to continue in the corporate rat race. All this means I'll probably end up with 3 jobs (astrologer/artist/designer) to make ends meet, but at least I'll be doing what I enjoy and really making something out of my talents. I'm trying hard to keep my patience, but sometimes it feels like everything is going sooooo slowly!