Allright..time to vomit....

[XantheStar]

DISNEY ALERT! Arrgh..I HAD to share this. I knew Disney was getting pathetic when they were stealing ideas form good, tragic fairy tales, anime, and whatnot...but THIS...this is just pathetic.


Disney Bets on Piglet's Prospects
Tue Feb 19, 2:49 AM ET

By Scott Hettrick

HOLLYWOOD (Variety) - Disney is quietly preparing "The Jungle Book II" and "Piglet's Big Movie" for theatrical release next year, but you won't find them on the production schedule at Walt Disney Pictures.

Like last weekend's second biggest theatrical release, "Return to Never Land," they are being produced by Walt Disney Television Animation, the most prolific and one of the most profitable production units at the company in recent years.

Some insiders at Disney believe that "Return to Never Land" could wind up as the studio's most profitable theatrical release this year, at least on a percentage basis. The $19.5 million-budgeted film grossed an estimated $16.1 million in its first four days.

The division has more than a dozen animated movie projects for theatrical and video release in various stages of development, almost all of them sequels or spin-offs of animated movies and characters created from scratch by the studio's film division.

They range from adaptations of classic library titles like "Dumbo II" and "101 Dalmatians the Animated Sequel" to recent blockbusters like "Tarzan II" and "The Lion King III," as well as "Mulan II" and "Mulan III."

And that doesn't count the animated series produced for broadcast, cable, syndicated and international markets, including a TV series to be followed by a video premiere movie sequel in 2004 based on Disney's upcoming summer animated theatrical feature "Lilo and Stitch."

With relatively tiny budgets, the TV animation movies are solid profit centers for Disney, whether they get a theatrical or video premiere. For instance, while sources estimate a budget range from about $8 million-$15 million for each Disney TV production that takes about 2-1/2 years, "The Tigger Movie" generated $46 million in domestic box office receipts and nearly double that worldwide before it even went to video.

By comparison, Disney's full-scale animated films take twice as long to produce and have budgets of $75 million-$100 million or more since characters and background designs are created from scratch. The last two releases, "The Emperor's New Groove" and "Atlantis: The Lost Empire," have generated less than $90 million each at U.S. theaters.

The profitability picture when a Disney TV movie premieres on video is often even greater. Disney's last two video premieres, "Lady and the Tramp II: Scamp's Adventure" and "The Little Mermaid II: Return to the Sea," have generated about $150 million each in domestic consumer spending, according to Daily Variety sister publication Video Business. That is comparable to, or sometimes more than, video revenue for Disney's theatrical features that cost from five to 10 times as much to produce.

And the potential upside for a video premiere is just as high as a theatrical release. Consumers spent about $300 million on "The Lion King II," more than the box office receipts from any animated theatrical release in history except one, the $313 million of the original "The Lion King" in 1994.

Disney TV usually doesn't know as it starts development and even begins production on a movie whether it will wind up in theaters or as a video premiere. After originally being penciled in as a theatrical project, "Return to Never Land" was switched to the video schedule before being slotted back in the theatrical lineup. As was the case with "Toy Story 2" from Pixar in 1999, "The Tigger Movie" was put into production as a video premiere before the studio decided to take it out theatrically on Presidents Day weekend in 2000.

"'The Tigger Movie' was kind of an experiment to see what would happen," Disney TV president David Stainton said. "We found out some things that have really surprised us. It was a tremendous success with our core audience. It turns out that 4-year-olds to 8-year-olds and their moms and dads are out there, alive and dying for our stuff."

Word just came down last week that "The Jungle Book II," which is already deep into production, will be going theatrical in 2003, largely because of the international appeal of the original.

Meanwhile, Disney TV's "Cinderella II: Dreams Come True" and "The Hunchback of Notre Dame II" are premiering on video Feb. 26 and March 19, respectively.

[Twilight Garden]

Aparently Disney is really outdoing the sequal thing. They put out Peter Pan II and Cinderella II, now Jungle Book II? Are they out of original ideas, already? Ugh!

[Chibi-Fallon]

How many of us were going to go see a new Disney movie anyway? Pixar and Dreamworks are the only two animation companies with movies worth seeing anymore. "Monster's Inc." that was the cutest movie EVER! I loved that movie. It's Disney cut 'em some slack, at least they're nice to gay people.

[XantheStar]

Not me, I've outlawed Disney from my being. Grr....Monster's INC wasn't even totally original. if you've ever seen the game and show Monster Rancher, that little green eyeball looks like Suezo form Monster rancher, just with arms, and feet instead of a tail, and horns. And Billie Crystal, or whoever, even kinda copied Scott McNeil...

I'm not going to see it, because Disney is a sell out. NO quality movies anymore, they've butchered and slashed them to pieces.

[flar7]

and yet they make and attract millions and millions.

[Shy Hawk]

There's like 8 parts to the Land Before Time....no seriously, I'm not exaggerating...I saw it in the store today.

[Armitage]

There was absolutely nothing wrong with the Aladdin cartoon series. Although three Mulans is three too many.

[mato]

After mulan they lost any and all of my future buisness... I am sick of it already, kill them all and let goddess sort it out! Oh wait, er um no dont do that... Ah ok kill them all and ... er... um... run?! Get some fresh blood in there any way (doesnt necessarily have to be inside any one...) Oh better yet just DONT WATCH THE DAMNED THINGS! If you dont watch them they wont make them. I still would suggest the first or second one... They should rot for that damned Mulan bs. Burn them all! BURN THEM ALL!!!

kidding, but mulan is unexcusable

[flar7]

I liked mulan, as did a bunch of people. Disney makes movies for
a specific audience. Dont watch disney if you want.:( And they
make some terrific movies! Flar(secret defender of Walt's empire!)

[mato]

how can you defind EVIL!? It must be destroyed! Or broken up into several smaller equal evils... Something must be done!

[Djiril]

I'm usually not big on sequels, especially Disney ones, but I liked "The Lion King II."

[flar7]

how can I not defend it? It so represents our current culture...
Cinderela II (they lived happily ever after...or did they?) Peter
Pan II (gets a new girlfriend I believe?) How now! People will
go in droves to see them. moooooo


seriously, like any movie business...some suck, some dont, and
some rule!(TRON, The Emperor's Groove, Atlantis, Aladdin I and III, Tarzan, etc..)

[MistOfTheSea86]

Originally posted by flar7
I liked mulan, as did a bunch of people. Disney makes movies for
a specific audience. Dont watch disney if you want.:( And they
make some terrific movies! Flar(secret defender of Walt's empire!)

I will help you in it's defense. Disney targets Younger audiences, and I have actually found myself watching those "Ridicolous sequels" Some are really fun, some are just plain goofy. And some well... I put this those in a hole and secretly bury them and plant a tree over them.:D

I loved the Aladdin Series. I loved Beauty and the Beast, Mulan was great, Parent Trap(both of em), Monsters Inc. And many other's I can't think of. But by far my favorites were Aladdin and Beauty and the Beast. *Hums songs*

[mato]

EVIL!!! It brainwashes people and children into believing in such evils as truth and love! It bombards children with flashing pictures and simple plot lines, refusing to challange them! It insults everything I stand for on a regular basis!

[flar7]

plus some of them have subliminal and not so subliminal sex things in them!

Little mermaid...Aladdin...cover of little mermaid movie(first release, but not the "old" one!) and Lion King I

[mato]

I dont care about the sex, I do care about their two faced decietful and dishonorable tactics.

[flar7]

there is no honor in the enertainment business, never was, never
will be...and with no honor, there is no two faced ness... those
are moral terms for an immoral industry.(for the most part)<--disclaimer to avoid being sued and stoned!

[Myst]

It's an entertainment company. Lighten up. :)

Not to be rude, but if you don't like Disney don't watch their stuff. It's not targetted to adults or even teenagers anyway. This is much like criticizing the teletubbies.

[MistOfTheSea86]

Originally posted by Myst
It's an entertainment company. Lighten up. :)

Not to be rude, but if you don't like Disney don't watch their stuff. It's not targetted to adults or even teenagers anyway. This is much like criticizing the teletubbies.

Exactly!

[flar7]

and I like the teletubbies too!:p

[mato]

Evil alien invaders!

[Sequoia]

some disney ones are OK. . . I loved "the Little Mermaid" when I was younger. . . still like to watch them sometimes (although it makes my boyfriend puke! LOL) . . . and I am DEFINATELY seeing Peter Pan II. . . it's a cheesy sequal, and I was raised on a steady diet of Mary Martin's Peter Pan and the actual book by JM Barrie. . . . so it will probably be sucky. . . I LOVED "Hook". . . . lol. . . . but as a raving mad lunatic Peter Pan fan, I have to see it. I wanted to see "Atlantis" but I didn't get the chance LOL

[Yvonne Belisle]

flar7 you liked TRON???????? Ugh!!!!!!!!! ok I like Wholly Moses so I guess I am not that far from the ugh movies myself. I like disney for the kids and I loved Fantasia 2000 they put out the same stuff everyone else does some good some bad. Sequals are a way of capitalizing on the original movies popularity it has been done for a long time. Jason and Freddie lived far longer than they should have! The horror genre is the biggest on doing sequels to thier stuff but they are not the only ones that sometimes take it just too far. Disney is not alone in that they are acompanied by writers that drag a set of books out way too long, comedians who tell the same set of jokes just too much, everyday people who do the same old same old day in and day out. It's everywhere. You want something better write it! Make millions and then share it and see what comes after it. They are a buisness in it to make money of course they are going to capitalize on anything that works. :)

[Danustouch]

Ok..NONE of you have mentioned the all time best (well..RECENT best) Disney Movie..."Beauty and the Beast". I think any true disney movie fan does not watch all the crappy sequels for home video...but the truth is..CHILDREN LOVE EM!

Disney movies appeal to the romance, the dreams, the sappiness in all of us. And we all become a kid again, while watching them.

Children have precious few things in life, which bring them as much joy as these "simple story lines" with happy outcomes, and miraculous creatures. Let them have their joy. Not Challenge them??? Are you aweare of all of the other merchandise surrounding walt disney???? Like for instance the disney book series (which I sold for many years, so I know how popular they are). Which encourage children to learn to read, through retelling of their favorite stories from their favorite movies. OH...and I won't even touch upon all of the pooh toys, and baby mickey toys out there aimed at child developement..challenging them to grow, as they play. And how about the disney channel shows, like "Out of the Box"? A great alternative to the dreaded "Barney" Phenomena.

I personally believe in the Walt Disney Miracle. I believe that watching his movies as a child, made me believe that dreams do come true, and that every princess deserves her prince, and that miracles can happen, and that good should always conquer evil. These are the messages inherant in Disney Movies, without Disney, these themes would not be so vividly brought into the conciousness of western culture. THAT, my friends, is why Disney has spread to every country around the globe :) Sequels, or No sequels.

[flar7]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Danustouch
[B]Ok..NONE of you have mentioned the all time best (well..RECENT best) Disney Movie..."Beauty and the Beast".

heheh, actually Danu, mistofthesea mentioned that one!

And people WANT sequels, they want to see their favorite
characters continue on. How many times at the end of the movie
have you said, "dang(or appropriate), I wish this had been a little
longer, I wanted to see...etc.)

[Danustouch]

Ooops..sorry mistofthesea.

And flar..not everyone likes to see sequels. I find, for instance, that my imagination of what happens after the movie ends is far more interesting than what the sequel portrays :)

[flar7]

butt sometimes we just gotta know what the writer was thinking,
now my imagination rules when it comes to books converted to
movies, like Star Wars. But sometimes no one has a feel for the
characters like the one who created them. And, sometimes the
sequels suck wind...Highlander for instance:(

[Danustouch]

Pah! Actually, I found the last highlander to be one of the better of the sequels. Highlander II was the worst piece of drivel i've ever seen though...

Oh..and let us not forget the JAWS sequels :( :Barf:

[flar7]

Highlander's problem was he wrote the end of it in the first one.

Now that he is the last how can he make a sequel, why their aliens from another planet! hmmm, strange how in first movie they (he and sean) had different ages and connor was born
in the highlands...he says that in the first one.

The last one was eh, ok.. but Conner McCleod is the only true
Highlander! Although the series was very good and quite popular!

[Danustouch]

I loved the series...

Duncan...yummmmmmmmmm...drool.....pant.....ahhhhhhhhh...

He looks so much like a young Sean Connery. It was really a treat in the last movie, seeing them together :)

OT..but PS...speaking of Sean Connery...remember the film "darby o'gill and the little people? I just downloaded a soundbyte of the song Sean sings...Pretty Irish Girl...from that movie..pant pant drool..

[flar7]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Yvonne Thomas
[B]flar7 you liked TRON???????? Ugh!!!!!!!!!

You didnt? It was ahead of its time. Nice story, and very very
deep philosophically if you really watch it.

[Twilight Garden]

Originally posted by Myst
Not to be rude, but if you don't like Disney don't watch their stuff. It's not targetted to adults or even teenagers anyway.Wish I could just not watch their stuff that I don't like. I live with an 8 year old little girl. Half of her movies come from her birth mom or other people. I'd be a hypocrit if I told her not to watch something just because I don't like it. :)

By the way, the best Disney movie ever was either 'The Black Cauldron', 'The Sword in the Stone' or 'Mary Poppins'. :p (jk) They are my faves, anyway.

[flar7]

sooooooo, are you converting to Disneyism?:p

[Twilight Garden]

I left out a great movie... Fantasia!

[Shy Hawk]

I love Disney stuff....I don't understand how one couldn't....
Hey, speaking of Tron, I just saw it on Turner Classic Movies on Monday. Weird eh?
I like most of the older Disney cartoons...some of the sequels are crap, but who cares. It rocks, in general.

[flar7]

Well they just re-released Tron on DVD with some restored footage. It was Great! Course, I liked the movie anyway to begin
with.

[Myst]

Originally posted by flar7
and I like the teletubbies too!:p

Watch it when you're really tired. Last time I did that I laughed so hysterically I cried.

[CoolJ]

umm

Tron? u mean that old, old movie from back in the 70's.. it was the first movie to use CGI :D...

umm, or do u mean the TRON movie that's supposed to come out around now?

ok, disney, i don't watch disney ne more... nope...

umm, i must say i did before... but ur right they do greatly overdo sequels... everyone one of Disney's characters have been used in more than one movie, ... and i'm positive of that.... (except maybe the newer ones that didn't get a sequel yet) ...

as for Mulan... I LIKED MULAN :P ... lol
in case ur wondering it is optional to watch disney movies.... disney movies are for children, if u do not wish to watch em.. don't... i mean i was watching some commercial or something of that nature for Peter Pan 2... and he calls HOOK a 'black hearted scoundral" ... ok, it's not gonna be some bad mouthed big bad bloody swordfight, it's a commedy, it's funny, cute, ummm, any other words u can think of ... if u'd rather watch something like mission impossible 2 (now that's a sequel) , or something then do it... i know i did lol...

one movie i have to say i love is Beetlejuice... rofl....
nope wasn't disney definitely lol but it's a great movie

[XantheStar]

But my point is, Disney's movies are PURE fluff. What is it in our cculture that makes most companies produce movies with little or NO major plot? THere's the bad person, the misunderstood Hero/ine, the cute little sidekick...WHY can't Disney take that formula and switch it a little? Be creative? It's not like a small turn form the normal story is going to KILL them. In fact, I bet it would bring more people in...

..and the reason I hate disney is they give animation to kids. MAKE it for kids.When I went to see Princess Mononoke, rated PG-13, The theater was FILLED with little kids. I bet you their parents automatically thought that because it was animated, it was for little kids. It was pathetic...bah. Gonna go feed my birdies now. -.-

[Illuminatus]

Originally posted by Myst


Watch it when you're really tired. Last time I did that I laughed so hysterically I cried.

append "tired" to "high" and I'm totally with ya

[Myst]

Originally posted by XantheStar
..and the reason I hate disney is they give animation to kids. MAKE it for kids.

And it didn't occur to you that Disney's main audience is kids?

[XantheStar]

I meant to say "They MAKE it for kids". -.-;;

[XantheStar]

And what I meant by that is that they have almost soiled the animation industry, making consumers think all animation is for little kids, Hence my Mononoke-Hime example. That's what I meant. x.x

[Shy Hawk]

Originally posted by Illuminatus


append "tired" to "high" and I'm totally with ya

I'll second that Ill. And by the by, there's something unnaturally attractive about their "custard"....that yummy pink crap looks bout good enough to.....(foams at the mouth)...nevermind.

[Shy Hawk]

I like anime, unlike some of our friends in this discussion (glances at myst), but that doesn't mean that every new piece of anime has to be GREAT. Everyone and their mother talks about Mononoke...but was it really that great? Nah, it just had a bunch of famous voices in it, so it got more publicity. I could name a dozen better anime that most of us have never heard of....what was my point? Who said I had one, I'm a moderator, feel my wrath!!! (breathes fire)....

sorry...having a weird day.

[XantheStar]

Well, moderator deserves a thwap! *thwap*

Some people only liked Mononoke for that. I liked it because it was a work by Miazaki, and really reflected my personal beliefs. :p Not everyone went to see it for all the famous voices. most kids didn't know who they were!

[Myst]

I would think if people think animation is only for kids that's their own problem, rather then that of the entertainment industry.

Apparently these people have never seen the simpsons, futurama, king of the hill, quads, or even felix the cat?

[Sequoia]

Originally posted by Shy Hawk
I like anime, unlike some of our friends in this discussion (glances at myst), but that doesn't mean that every new piece of anime has to be GREAT. Everyone and their mother talks about Mononoke...but was it really that great? Nah, it just had a bunch of famous voices in it, so it got more publicity. I could name a dozen better anime that most of us have never heard of....what was my point? Who said I had one, I'm a moderator, feel my wrath!!! (breathes fire)....

sorry...having a weird day.

anime rules. For example, Cowboy Bebop is AWESOME. . . but it is SO not for kids. Wouldn't even be suitable for teenage boys. It's a good storyline, with lots of lines of remarks that'd be hard to pick up on if you were a little kid. :D I wuv it. And it's dubbed quite well, in fact, that's how I watch it. I havn't seen it in Japanese. It airs on Cartoon Network's Adult Swim. . . "ADULT" aka as in not for kids hehe they even put up a warning. So they've translated it pretty darn well.

And if anyone's ever seen Akira (I've only seen the first half of it). . . :blushake: that's not for kids. I'm not sure it's even for adults!!


LOL and don't make me get into an explination of what Hentai anime is. . . . (Dragon Pink!!!!!! :D!!! )

[Myst]

Originally posted by Puma Hime
And if anyone's ever seen Akira (I've only seen the first half of it). . . :blushake: that's not for kids. I'm not sure it's even for adults!!

hehe I was going to mention Akira too. That is definitely not for kids :)

[XantheStar]

Myst, I didn't say animation was for adults. But mosrtt people in our country seem to think it IS. And that's because Disney's using it's same senseless formula to make movie after movie. What kid even KNOWS the original story of the Little Mermaid? Not one I know. The few good american adut movies out there are rare. The only ones I can think of are Titan A.E. (EXCELLENT move...), and possibly Transformers : the movie. These are only American, I can think of SO much anime for adult audiences...

[Danustouch]

Illum, Myst....I'm SOOOOOOOOOOOOOO with you. Either A or B used to work for me :) Used to watch it alllll the time.

Dipsy's Hat was the BEST episode!

hat-ha- ha- hat Hat!

Dipsy hat too small.

Dipsy hat too small?

Dipsy hat too small :(

[flar7]

Actually, Titan AE was not a very good movie. It rode on its
animation which was awesome. The story had a major flaw in it,
that it never explained. It was worth watching on video, but if I
had seen it in the theatres I would have been upset with it.

Now I dont mean that as bad as it sounds, I bought the darn
thing, but its plot was easier to see than Disney's and the ending
had this huge hole with no explanation for it. I bought it for the
animation and the first half of the story.:)

[Flaire-FireStar]

I liked Mononoke.. :) (Didn't recognise any of the actors though..But that's not one of the things I try to do for animations anyway.. :p)


I agree w/ you, Flar....The first time I saw Titan AE I was like "What the heck is going on in this movie?"...When the end finally came then I was like "I thought it was supposed to be a weapon!" Ugh! But I did watch it again....just for the animation - wouldn't buy it for my collection though.

And as for Disney films.. :rolleyes: I'm just getting sick of that "not so great" hero/ine person meeting his/her true love some how or another and blah blah blah..Plus all the singing in the movie kinda ticks me off too..That's not exactly what I watch movies for.... They're getting too fluffy for me now.. As well as the "lack of ideas" they have too - I absolutely hate second parts to movies.. They're ridculous! :rolleyes: Excuse me if I don't bother to finish watching Pocahontas 2, Lion King 2, Beauty & the Beast (Christmas thingie), Peter Pan 2, Cinderella 2 and Hunchback of Notre Dame 2 (I have to see the first part first anyway).... :rolleyes: Bah!

[Yvonne Belisle]

My children know the old tales such as Little Mermaid and Ashenpuddle and Briar Rose! They are out there they are just a little harder to find. By the way we also have the Disney versions of each of those!

[Shy Hawk]

Never saw Titan AE...hmm...mewonders if I should now. Hehe...
As far as animated movies I could have gone without seeing: Why did everyone like Shrek? Biggest waste of my night...I could not believe how EVERYONE I knew recommended it to me, and then I watch it, and I'm like...."what part of this is so cool?" Arg...
Sequels are not often great...I'm trying to think of one that I enjoyed....(draws a blank). Still...If it works for them, why not use it? In reality kids don't care, and it's easier to buy them a tape of something then take them to a theater often times.
I saw some of Neverland yesterday...it looked uh..alright. Not like great, but not ridiculously bad. Fantasia 2000 was the bomb, I own that little piece of yum.
The famous actors in Mononoke included Billy Bob Thorton, Jada Pinkett Smith, and Mini Driver.

[XantheStar]

And wasn't, like, claire Danes San?

[Myst]

Originally posted by Shy Hawk
As far as animated movies I could have gone without seeing: Why did everyone like Shrek? Biggest waste of my night...I could not believe how EVERYONE I knew recommended it to me, and then I watch it, and I'm like...."

I didn't think it was "cool" but I lmao everytime. My parents do too :)

[Shy Hawk]

Originally posted by XantheStar
And wasn't, like, claire Danes San?

Jah, her too.

[flar7]

Yep, Shreck was one of the best "animated" movies of the decade
or so! Still laugh everytime I see it! Had to buy the DVD:D

[Twig]

Could SOMEONE change the name of this thread? I WAS trying to eat here!

[Flaire-FireStar]

Originally posted by Shy Hawk
Never saw Titan AE...hmm...mewonders if I should now. Hehe...

The only reason I would recommend it is if you wanted to see the animations... (It would probably be just as good if you had the sound turned off! :lol: )



The famous actors in Mononoke included Billy Bob Thorton, Jada Pinkett Smith, and Mini Driver.

:huh: I didn't know that until you pointed it out. *too lazy to read the movie credits* :p

[Euphoria]

well if the kids enjoy it thats all that matters lol

sorry had to say it but i love disney

[flar7]

Yah! another one on the Disney boat!!! :p

[XantheStar]

Meanies! XD I guess I can't blame myself, this is a Disney country. Most counrties are now. Ah well. I managed to make a ongoing post over half a page! WHOO!

[SuperHeroGirl]

Originally posted by Shy Hawk
There's like 8 parts to the Land Before Time....no seriously, I'm not exaggerating...I saw it in the store today.

hehe i used to work at the library in the childrens section...and the land b4 time vdeos like took up their own shelf.
i just remember this one part:
please excuse my spelling!
Peatrie: "i...i smell...DUCKY!"
Ducky: "You smell me Peatrie????"

silly talking dinosaurs!

[Shy Hawk]

I actually remember that part....lol