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Kaylara
April 5th, 2001, 08:14 PM
Found at:
http://www.nationalpost.com/commentary/story.html?f=/stories/20010314/499645.html

The sexuality of motherhood


Patricia Pearson
National Post
I was at the Children's Museum in Toronto with thousands of highly excited toddlers streaking by me in every direction like a huge colony of snow-suited ants, when at some point, feeling harried and claustrophobic, I looked up and noticed a dad checking me out.

No way! He can't be looking at me, can he? I'm a mom! What's he looking at, is there something on my shirt? An unusually large smear of applesauce or snot? Because he can't be looking at me. I. Am. A. Mom. There must be Scotch Tape on my pants.

Five years ago, I might have registered his gaze as admiring or desirous or lustful, and it wouldn't have been rocket science. But here in the altered state of consciousness called motherhood, male attention inspires a slow-motion double take. I think it has to do with defining myself in the eyes of my children. My face could be a boiled ham, as far as they're concerned. Therefore, wondering if I look sexy is irrelevant, not to mention hopeless, and entirely beside the point.

My sexuality has gone AWOL. I cannot find it under the couch with the stray puzzle pieces and empty formula bottles. I cannot find it in the bathtub amongst the spouting whales and duckies. It isn't in the bedroom, which is knee-deep in Barbie shoes and crackers. Sometimes I wonder: Is my sexuality behind the garden gate in my toddler's lift-the-flap book? No, but there's Spot and Tom, the green alligator, playing ball, yay! Is it in the refrigerator? No, but there are some crinkly grapes in there ...

Surprisingly, I am married. This used to have a romantic connotation. I keep assuring myself, as my husband does, that all will be romantic again just as soon as we can reach for each other in a bed and not bump into two children, a Groovy Doll, the TV remote, our dog, a pacifier and Goodnight Moon.

Wishing to be guaranteed of this eventuality, I recently attended a conference at York University on motherhood, sex and sexuality. The conference was organized by ARM, the Association for Research on Mothering, together with the Centre for Feminist Research. Much of the conversation centred on society's discomfort with maternal sexuality, but that has actually grown more ambivalent of late. If we used to divide neatly into madonnas and whores and crones and virgins, what of the pop star Madonna, sauntering across the Miami sand looking gorgeous in her forties with two children in tow?

She rather confounds the categories. But she works at it. Women are generally becoming mothers later now, in their thirties, when their sexual ambitions have played out a bit, seeds have been sown, blocks have been run around. We were whores, so to speak, and now too many of us are behaving like madonnas with chronic fatigue syndrome.

There's something the matter with that, which has to do with yielding to the loss of sexual vitality without a fight, as if it doesn't matter as much as it does. But maybe one of the reasons we yield to the shift from sexy hottie to frumpy hen is that we derive a great deal of sensual nourishment from our small children.

This subject was explored rather intriguingly by Pamela Courtney Hall, a professor at UBC. She proposed that many parents derive an erotic pleasure from their children that calls for a new vocabulary of sexuality or eros, for it isn't sexual in the orthodox sense, but deeply intimate, and physically sustaining.

We declare childcare to be an "eros-neutral domain," Courtney Hall said, "but caregivers report connections to their children that are rapturous ... and rooted in intimate bodily contact." They are not sexual, however, not dirty and self-pleasuring, not pedophiliac. "The language we have inherited," she noted, "is inadequate to the lived experience."

Thus, mothers who unexpectedly find breastfeeding to be sensually enthralling are suspected of sexual abuse, while mothers who find their children's bodies beguiling, like the photographer Sally Mann, are accused of taking pornographic pictures.

This same point, about the unspoken "tender-erotic" connection between parents and children, as Courtney Hall calls it, is raised in a new book by American writer Noelle Oxenhandler, The Eros of Parenthood. Oxenhandler tries to promote an invisible but uncrossable line between parental passion and pedophiliac lust, sensual joy and sexual exploitation. It's tricky and fraught, like playing with a conceptual hand grenade. I think most parents intuitively understand what's being spoken of without needing a language that can be so dangerously appropriated.

A child's bodily integrity is not at stake in a mother's embrace, but that doesn't mean that hugging your daughter is the same as hugging a friend. It is more intense and lovely and delicious. It also ends -- at about the point when daughters make mothers walk five paces behind them in public so as not to be embarrassed in front of their friends.

Then it is probably time for a mid-life crisis. Not the best path to tread, this celebration of the tender-erotic. Better -- surely? -- to insist upon our sexual vibrancy as women all along, to allow ourselves to be viewed as Madonna rather than as madonnas, as, if anything, more beautiful because of motherhood. I deserve to recognize a man's gaze in a crowded kid's museum for what it is, admiring, and take some sustenance from that.


Kaylara

Mariposa De La Luna
April 7th, 2001, 12:08 AM
****I was at the Children's Museum in Toronto with thousands of highly excited toddlers streaking by me in every direction like a huge colony of snow-suited ants, when at some point, feeling harried and claustrophobic, I looked up and noticed a dad checking me out. ****

I wish this happened to me. I can't believe this woman couldn't believe she was being scoped out by a man. There are so many mothers out there who look so good, I wish I was one of them. Oneday hopefully.

****"but caregivers report connections to their children that are rapturous ... and rooted in intimate bodily contact." ****

This is so true. I feel it alot more with my son now than I did with my daughter but I was in a bad spot then. I nuzzle him and bite his ears like I would my husband's but it is just mommy love to her son. I never do it in public bacause you don't see people being so affectionate with their babies. Most likely because the babies are too busy looking around and absorbing everything to care about being cuddled.
But I feel even more, dare I say, "randy" with my husband now and its totally different and a totally different need that gets satisfied. I don't see the one emotion replacing the other in my case. I wanted the baby out of my bed so me and my husband could have some "playtime". I think some mothers just forget they have a husband, on the same hand I think some husbands forget to take more care of the children so their wives can be free to pay more attention to them (husband). but thats just MHO. I know when I'm worn out from "mommying" and haven't had anytime to renew myself, the last thing on my mind is "playtime".

Ceres
January 8th, 2006, 08:41 PM
Bump...great posts, deserve more comment!

Ceres
January 9th, 2006, 07:24 AM
When I lost a tremendous amount of weight after my third and last baby, I found myself the object of flirting again. How very odd it was too, after so many years without! At first it was strange - how could anyone be attracted to a woman so obviously marked as belonging to another man? There is nothing like trailing three children that connotes previous entanglment :lol:

I was angry too....I was the same person I always was; what gives these men the right to judge my sexiness now that I have three children when most wouldnt give me the time of day when I was single but fat?

Sometimes I felt suspicious - why would a man show interest in a woman so obviously in the throes of the ultimate commitment? 18 years of it in fact? Some women may not be commited to their husbands, but nearly all are committed to their children. What sort of sicko wants to be close to a woman whose first priority is going to be around for along time yet?

Then I began to understand men better. Attraction is not about commitment or even neccessarily about sex. Men are just very visual. I think there also may be a small part of them that finds the idea of a woman who clearly is fertile being attractive to carry on their genes, but for the most part, I would say they just like looking.

frigga
January 9th, 2006, 11:10 AM
When I was pregnant with my 1st, I actually had some younger male co-workers say to me "you don't count, your a mom". What!?! That was the most demeaning thing a man could say to me, talk about having all your femine wiles stripped from you! Granted they were young, dumb, and full of you know what, but it didn't matter to me at the time. I'm over it now.
I got over it last year when one of my younger brothers fellow students (he was a senior in high school), said I was hot! Not too bad for an almost thirty gal if ya ask me!!

Bix
January 9th, 2006, 12:46 PM
This is a really interesting topic and one that I haven't really thought much about. Do you think that men find older, more experiences...or should I say mature women attractive? Also, when ya'll were flirted with when ya'll had your kids, what age group of men flirted with ya?

MzNeko
January 9th, 2006, 10:19 PM
<dons flame-proof suit, and places tongue firmly in cheek>

Well, if she's got kids, ya know she puts out...

:nyah:

Jenne
January 9th, 2006, 10:47 PM
Thanks for posting this, Kay. *smooches*

I've struggled with this a lot. I've been called a tease, frigid, etc. in my "motherhood" years, and it's all for lack of energy. I'm just plain friggin' fried. BUT, I'm still a sexual, sensual being. I LOVE a good chase, but married people don't chase. That's why you're married, right? So you don't HAVE to chase.

So my wiring's all screwed up. I love my kids, snuggle them constantly. Caress them, hug them, play with their little ears, toes, and faces. They came from here, inside me, and I feel that part of me reaching towards them each time I gaze at them fondly--which I can be caught doing often.

My husband, luckily, fosters this rather than acts repelled and/or jealous as I imagine someone like, say, my brother would be. My husband comes from a tactile culture, whereas my parents were somewhat more reserved with their contact with me. Though I grew up seeing my parents play slap and tickle, they rarely reached out to me and my brothers once we were old enough to feed ourselves. I know this is part of the reason why I grab my kids and touch them--because I so desperately missed THAT as a kid growing up.

I always tell myself, if I can just learn to reach out and fondle my husband that way, he'd feel so much better about the sexy part between us. Don't get me wrong, we can heat up the sheets just fine. It's the touches here and there, the intimacy if you will, of common touch, that we had BEFORE the kids that is now practically nonexistent. We know it's a problem and work on it, especially myself, as I went for years just NOT wanting to be touched at all--I was sensitive, overwrought and just tired, so very tired, all the time. The last thing I wanted was someone else's mouth on my boob or hand on my thigh. I wanted part of me for ME, and this hurt my dh deeply.

I'm a terribly vain creature, though, so I've tried hard to not "let myself go." Part of this is to please my mate, most of it is to please me. I know I'm a sexual, attractive being. Sometimes without even wanting it I can get male attention. But there's this MOMMY part of me that just refuses, at times, to turn on the sexual enenrgy, even though my marriage needs it, desperately so at times.

This article pointed out a good thing--that we mommies need to take back our sexual beings. Own them again. It's ok to be sexpot at 35. It's ok to be a MILF (love that acronym). Men don't hold it against us, so why should we hold it against ourselves? We'd be happier in the long run just admitting we like to be attractive and viewed as a sensual being, beyond the sensuality that is inherent to motherhood.

The next step is to accept this eros in each other. Women can be cruel, jealous bitches, and we really need to stick to the sisterhood. We can be our own worst enemies, and we forget that today's enemy should be tomorrow's friend. You can never have too many friends, and we should REALLY learn to support each other, in every way, rather than tear each other apart out of low self esteem.

*ok, rant over, lol* Great thread--would love to see others contribute!

Jenne
January 9th, 2006, 10:52 PM
Wow, dang, this is an old post, lol! Just noticed Kay's orig threat starter was in '01!

Ceres
January 10th, 2006, 08:46 AM
This is a really interesting topic and one that I haven't really thought much about. Do you think that men find older, more experiences...or should I say mature women attractive? Also, when ya'll were flirted with when ya'll had your kids, what age group of men flirted with ya?

It was men my age or older. No younger guys have flirted with me and I havent caught them even looking.

vikinggoddess
January 10th, 2006, 10:44 AM
I can totally relate to this... rembering how shocking to have guys hanging their head out of car/truck windows to get a look as I was pushing a stroller. So weird. I'm used to it now though. The craziest though was when I was 7 mo. pregnant and I guy asked me for my number when my husband was right there. I think that was just some pure insanity though.

brighid's child
January 21st, 2006, 01:20 PM
At 24 I suppose I should be in the throes of my "whore" years, but as a married mommy of 2, sex with my own husband is low on the priority list. It's hard to feel beautiful when you're tired from a long day of cleaning fecal matter off of small children(one in diapers, one potty training).
Even when we do dress up, we tend to stay in this mind set. We forget that we are all beautiful. My husband assures me that my weight isn't a problem, he always did like Rubens..(the painter, not the sandwich). I'm sure someday I'll feel that way again, as for now...the kids are fighting again.

Athena-Nadine
February 15th, 2006, 10:02 AM
Per Radikalwomyn's request... :D